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Can certain subjects REALLY can be debated?
As we've all know and witnessed, some debates turn ugly in forums, social networking websites, and even the outside world. Is it worth debating certain subjects such as religion and politics when in the end, nothing but ad hominems and other common fallacies become the norm in the debate?
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Then again any 'flaming' or 'arguing' I've seen on pc can hardly be called that, rather it's an exaggeration by the community so I don't think this place should ever worry about banning topics. Deleting the 'offending' posts is a better solution that allows for others to further discuss and debate the topic at hand. As for the real world, what can you do but agree to disagree? I don't think there's any way to censor the discussions under a democratic government (applies to myself) and there shouldn't be. We just have to live with the fact that not everybody is as level headed as we want them to be and move on with our lives. |
I know what you're saying about "being level-headed and moving on" [that's what I do myself, I CANNOT stand people fighting over a topic like 5 year olds].
Also, I've never meant to mention PC... this is only my... second day here or so. I said "in general", I apologize for not clarifying myself. Sometimes, heavy moderation of the topics does not work, because everyone has their opinions. Then another such thread opens up months later, and the same thing happens. It gets redundant and dull, IMO. |
when it comes to broad topics like the ones you've mentioned, there will always be grey areas- the truth is, these things can't have definitive answers and will always be up for speculation. debates may incite some strong emotions at times, and although some people have a hard time handling those emotions and become irrational, those strong emotions are what makes debating such a wonderful thing. debating stimulates the brain, and just because in the end there might not be a 'winner' there's always a chance someone has been enlightened.
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I'm sure you didn't but I found it was relevant to bring up with the somewhat recent allowance of mature topics again.
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Only if people realize if those subjects have people on both sides, or even [gasp] on the fence, and can most of the time cannot change their opinion. But such is the world and humans such as myself.
Strong emotions are wonderful, but people utilize them in the wrong way [bringing others down for their opinon], IMO. Whatever floats in their boat. |
What you have to take into consideration is that people are immature and don't take things seriously.
This is why they get out of hand and can end up in flaming. I have spoken about many sensitive topics to my friends and other people that are mature and they never end up in flaming or argument. Just pick your friends to talk to. |
Every subject can be debated, but not every debater can debate every subject.
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Life, politics, religion, the economy...
None of that will be settled over forum posts. However, humans love conflict, despite what people say to the contrary. So... |
While there are some subjects that have been widely debated, some subjects shouldn't even be debated in the first place.
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If in debating such issues someone enlightens another, even if it's just one other, to a thought that they hadn't considered before, then it could be worth it in the end.
You're not going to change everyone, and many people are not willing to budge on what they believe, but some people are. Even if you don't get another person to completely change their mind, but instead get them to think on the issue more, it's worth it in the end. Debate brings forth thought, and if people only ever debate the little things, how can anything ever progress? In a way, it's sort of like the whole "If you don't vote, you have no reason to complain with how things are because you did nothing to provide your own input". Well, if no one is ever willing to debate the 'bigger' subjects, they can not expect other people to see their side of things and they can not complain about what others are saying, because they are unwilling to discuss their own thoughts. |
It's worth it when you know that the people you are debating with respects your opinion and are able to be mature about expressing their viewpoint.
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With enough maturity on both sides, ANYTHING CAN BE DEBATED, but that isn't always the case.
It boils down to what the topic really is. Some people simply cannot peacefully debate certain topics, because they feel so strongly about their viewpoint that ANY opposing viewpoint is garbage to them in some way or another. Emotions are illogical and always will be. |
Everything can be debated, but not everyone can (handle a) debate. There are people who are too narrow-minded to realise everyone has a right to have an opinion.
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Other Chat is for having a debate that is not pokemon :)
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"Is there a Quality Inn located in Gaffney, South Carolina?"
"Is 41 divisible by 5?" ^ Non-debatable topics. As for those sensitive topics, it all comes down to who's involved in the debate. Some people can be mature about the subject, some cannot. Some get overly emotional and passionate when something in a debate hits them especially hard. And that's when they start resembling flame-wars, insults begin being thrown, and claims starting being made with no facts to substantiate them. And unfortunately, it only takes one person to turn a reasonable, civilized debate into utter chaos. |
^You could actually argue the latter subject, relying on the definition divisible". For example, for the latter example, you could argue that, yes it is and you get 8.2, or your could argue no because you get a remainder and thus it isn't divisible - depending on whether or not you consider a remainder to be acceptable in division or not, the response changes dramatically. (actually you could do the former if you were refering to an inn of quality, or a Quality Inn as in the hotel chain)
I think certain arguments, deep within their core, are nothing but opinion-based arguments, like those based within religion. I can't help but request more than someone's personal beliefs to back them up, and thus I believe that such arguments are better left untouched without some serious scientific and universally-accepted evidence. |
I don't see this going anywhere.
Anyway, the point of debate is so that everyone sees every point of view, so in my opinion, most of these conversations are much more productive than threads like "Do you think the starter's English names suck?" |
This thread sounds a lot more like an opinion thread rather than a debate. There IS no debate really because some people will argue that everything can be debated, while others cannot be, and it all depends on where they draw their line of logic - none of which is really wrong.
Hey! Look! A subject that can't be debated! lol |
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Anything can be debated, as long as everyone is mature enough to handle the debate and take things seriously. If everyone can do that, then anything can be debated.
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I agree anything can be debated, even Pokemon starters names can be debated...
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I can debate almost anything... If they call names I just ignore the names and focus on the point being made; calling names back only makes it worse. If it turns into soley a name calling thing I just leave.
The only things I can not debate and refuse to debate racist people and holocaust deniers. Hate does not need a reason. Why should I reason with hate? |
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