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Khengi November 26th, 2010 11:12 PM

Japanese Speakers
 
Any Japanese speakers here? If there's enough, maybe we could get a chat/practice thread going on. Machine translations obviously being a no-no, as they can be spotted a mile away :P

digi-kun November 27th, 2010 12:24 AM

Sort of? I know a decent bit to know what's being said to me, but definitely not near enough to carry a relatively long convo, no less about anime or something along those lines. My accent is good, or at least better than most people, but at the same time, I don't think I'd be able to talk as fast as most (my talking speed isn't too good). Besides that, my base talking mode is informal, so nyeh. Was thinking of putting a basic guide up at some point, but that'll be a while, especially with finals right around the corner.

or wait? are you talking just posting here in Japanese? Cuz you can always just run your text through a translator(sorta)

Alice November 27th, 2010 12:25 AM

You read my mind. I actually asked about this in the J-E Discussion thread, and never got a response.

I know quite a bit more than your average weaboo, but I'm no where near actually speaking it yet.
I also have a lot of sites that I can post if you guys are looking for learning resources.

Quote:

Originally Posted by digi-kun (Post 6310956)
or wait? are you talking just posting here in Japanese? Cuz you can always just run your text through a translator(sorta)

I was thinking more along the lines of a thread where you can ask what words mean and phrases mean, or how you should set up a certain sentence etc.

There are times where google translate, and jisho.org combined aren't enough to figure out what I'm reading, so it would be nice if I had someone I could ask about that stuff.

Damien_lucifer November 27th, 2010 12:44 AM

Im much the same. Learning, have a good base knowledge and can utter cetain things.

What resources are you using?

Im using Tae Kims japanese guid to japanese grammar as my main tool, along with some other things.

Im also playing pokemon in japanese. and although im not traslating EVERY conversation i have on there, im doing some and learning from it.

Alice November 27th, 2010 1:00 AM

^ Yeah, I used Tae Kim's guide too. (I suppose I could just ask on that forum... but it'd be easier to ask here. lol)

I also did the same thing you're doing with pokemon, except I'm reading Lucky Star: Brilliant Star. It has the kanji with furigana, so I can learn the kanji at the same time. So, it's pretty cool.

Khengi November 27th, 2010 1:11 AM

Yeah, I really was just thinking about a chat thread in Japanese, but a help thread would work too, as any of us proficient enough could help everyone.

Azumi November 27th, 2010 8:42 AM

Weeeell, I understand Japanese enough to get me off the weaboo list, but not enough to maintain a conversation without saying "I don't understand what you just said".

I agree with a help thread! I like helping people~ ^^ And it would certainly be fun since it's Japanese.

Esper November 27th, 2010 11:20 AM

I'd call myself a speaker of sorts. I've carried on a couple of pretty lengthy conversations before, but they were punctuated with a lot of "what's that?" because there are lots of words I don't know, and people who speak fast or not very clearly can really throw me off. Like most people I'm better at reading/writing.

I would be up for helping people with their 日本語. And if we're throwing out resources there's a dictionary site I quite like, WWWJDIC, because it's pretty comprehensive and includes multiple search functions (kana, English, radicals, etc.) for words and kanji.

Corvus of the Black Night November 27th, 2010 11:28 AM

I don't speak Japanese. Yet.

I'll be studying it in college so that I can return to Hiroshima. because unlike most of you I actually lived there lololol

/um, wait, wouldn't that be writing? Lol you don't speak on a forum lol

Khengi November 27th, 2010 12:37 PM

Well, let's get a Japanese help thread started. I have the perfect person to help us out (native!).

Alice November 27th, 2010 1:36 PM

Here are the sites I've used, in no particular order. (Maybe sticky them on the help thread when it's created.)

Dictionary:
http://jisho.org/


Best way to learn grammar:
http://guidetojapanese.org/learn/complete
Spoiler:
It has a page on learning hiragana/katakana, but I recommend using the steps further down in my post instead. Otherwise, this is great for learning grammar, and I definitely recommend it.


Google Translate:
http://translate.google.com/#ja|en|%0A
Spoiler:
This isn't really the most useful thing ever. Never trust what it says 100%, but sometimes it helps to get two translations if you're trying to figure out what a word means. (One from jisho.org, and then one from google translate.)


Another Dictionary:
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1C
Spoiler:
It's just another dictionary, but it also has a page for each kanji showing how to write them. I think jisho.org is way better as a dictionary, but it lacks that extra feature.)


Memorization help:
http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=japanese&keyword=&language=ja
Spoiler:
The dictation option on this site is helpful, but otherwise, I don't really like it. Everyone else seems to though, so give it a shot. Definitely learn hiragana/katakana before trying to learn any kanji with it though.



Ultimate 1 day method of learning Hiragana and Katakana: (This is just the method I used, but it works really well. Also, this is definitely the first thing you should do, before trying to learn anything else.)
  • Then, pick any song, and find the romaji lyrics for it. (Generally, you can find it, along with the song, on youtube.)
  • Finally, just write down the lyrics in Hiragana. (Don't worry about whether the lyrics are actually kanji/katakana, all you're trying to do is memorize the hiragana.)
  • You probably wont need to write out the whole song (that would take awhile) so, after you think you've gotten a decent way into it, try reading what you've written. (Hopefully you'll have used just about every character at that point.) If you can read through it without having to look at the chart, you're good to go.
  • Done! To reinforce what you've learned, be sure to try and read every hiragana you see on niconico, youtube, or wherever else you might see it. This is actually really important to continue doing, even if you think you already know it well enough. It will help you read faster, and ensure that you never forget. (I still do it like a year later, and I can read pretty fast now.)

Good luck! I hope this helps everyone.

Khengi November 27th, 2010 1:49 PM

Your methods are pretty good, but they'll only help so far in the long run. I would advise to begin reading online material and learn words from actual sentences. Sentences are always the best method to learning vocabulary. :P

Alice November 27th, 2010 3:52 PM

^ Bah... I knew I was forgetting something... I even mentioned it earlier in this thread too.

I don't really have any specific links, so I dunno if I should put it in that post, but I do read manga in Japanese, and translate as I go. It kinda ruins the story, because it takes forever, but it's definitely a good way to learn.

Khengi November 27th, 2010 3:55 PM

This is very true. I like reading small folk tales in Japanese, hopefully the new topic I made can help people!

Alice November 27th, 2010 4:02 PM

Looking good. Should I repost that in the other thread, or do you wanna put it in the OP?

Khengi November 27th, 2010 4:04 PM

The other thread is the way to go! :D

Let's give you a test, the more people we get on staff to help this project the better.

Wings Don't Cry November 27th, 2010 4:06 PM

I've been learning Japanese for two and half years at school, I know a fair amount but not enough to carry out a proper conversation. I basically know the basics that can actually help me survive in a Japanese city.

Khengi November 27th, 2010 4:07 PM

Let's start a basic conversation to get everyone on track!

こんばんはー。みんな元気?

Hitomi☆ November 27th, 2010 4:15 PM

私は元気~~。今日、朝、ゆきがふった。だからすごくさむい~~~。

Khengi November 27th, 2010 4:19 PM

待て待て雪なのか?

マーーージでぇぇ?今日さむいけど、前ほどさむくないよね。だからサッカーやってた :D

Alice November 27th, 2010 4:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khengi (Post 6312082)
The other thread is the way to go!

Let's give you a test, the more people we get on staff to help this project the better.

Oh, I was just sharing all of the stuff I know about... I haven't even finished tae kim's guide or anything, so I can't really hold a conversation.

I understand those first two posts, but my brain exploded half way through the 3rd one. lol
I think I still know what it says, but I wasn't really able to break it down.

Khengi November 27th, 2010 4:58 PM

No problem! With any conversation, everyone's ability is factored in. Just post what you can and we can still have a decent conversation :)

Loki December 1st, 2010 11:36 AM

みんなさんこんにちは!^^
お久しぶりですが、私も元気です! Khengiさんは? お元気ですか? 

んん、 今授業がありますけど、つまらないな授業だから、ネットをしますww

うぅ、すみません私の日本語はまだだめです、もっと勉強しなきゃ!
ロキ、がんばります~!

I have a hard time /speaking/. Not in the sense of the accent, which I'd wager is better than most since the mouth movements are similar to Mandarin, but the problem is piecing my sentences together fast enough to let the conversation flow! xDD My friend always laughs at me when I have to think over whether I should use ga or ha or wo, or if I can't think of the word I want to use.

I find that almost all online Japanese translators are absolutely worthless. They give you the strangest words when you run it through- like the most archaic, unused version of the word. Jisho.org is particularly misleading, in my opinion.

Google Translate is VERY useful however, and more than enough to get your point across. Otono and Haku, two users I know who can't even say one fluent english sentence, understand anything I put through google so long as the sentence stay's simple. GGRKS is one of the best resources I have, along with two other sites that are solely in Japanese which I don't have the links to right now. xD It's usually best to be used in conjunction with ample base Japanese knowledge however, and ggrks is best for translating single words, rather than single sentences. I give it credit for this however, because jisho.org fails even in the single word department.

Learning Japanese really begins with learning the hiragana and katakana though, if I do say so myself. It's so difficult to do anything online if you can't read and write.

Alice December 1st, 2010 11:46 AM

^ We definitely aren't using the same google translate. It's far worse than Jisho.org.

I've tried talking to my Japanese friends with it many times, and it doesn't work at all regardless of which way it's translating. Even if the sentences are like 3 words long.

SuperiorCat December 1st, 2010 11:50 AM

I know how to speak general greetings, and other generic phrases. But that's only from picking up certain words off subtitles in animes, and their opening themes.

I wouldn't know where to start at trying to read Japanese. It seems rather daunting. ;-;


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