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Pirate Bay Founders Going to Jail
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What are your thoughts about this? |
They broke the law, so they should be in jail.
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@ JakeyBoy, I'd link you to the original article, but I don't have enough posts to post URLs yet. :v
The article is dated 27/11/10. So, yesterday. |
Ok. I guess I'm thinking of the time it got "closed".
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As for me the moral line you're referring to it doesn't exist for me, I know that if I download a copyrighted file it's illegal but it doesn't provoke any emotion from me on whether or not what I'm doing is right or wrong in the sense where morals apply because I know the companies aren't going out of business. Yes, "really". |
Piracy is going to still be on, regardless of if TPB keeps running or not.
There are always going to be other methods. |
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Ironic, the guys who are actually paying money to keep the site running go to jail, but the 4 million people who are actually pirating get nothing.
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Noooooo!!! First Mininova, then LimeWire, now TBP? ;__; Oh wait... TPB still works here :D But still, piracy is going to continue. Another site will come up and it's going to happen again and again, illegal or not.
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LeSigh.
This is why we should elect the equivalent to the Swedish "Pirate Party". It's only the big roller companies that back this sort of thing in the first place. This pretty much sums up my point: Quote:
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I think it's far more immoral to take away the rights and imprison two people that have done no harm to anybody, and their only "crime" is causing companies (that are already incredibly rich) to lose potential revenue. Why are they wasting time with people like this when there are real criminals out there? Oh right, it's because they pose a threat to the precious capitalist system.
I agree with Stratos and Rich Boy Bob. The only reason they're doing this is to try and scare other people away from piracy. It won't work. And don't let the law define your morals guys. If suddenly chocolate was made illegal, would you say that it's immoral to be eating chocolate? How can you put these guys on the same level as murderers, rapists, armed robbers and other real criminals? I ""illegally"" download all of my movies and music simply because I don't have any money. If suddenly I was unable to download these things, it wouldn't make me go out and buy them instead, because I simply don't have the money. Whereas as I am able to download these things, it means I can check them out and then if I like them a lot I can spend the little money I do have on seeing a band live or supporting them in other ways. If I couldn't download anything in the first place then they would get nothing from me. Sorry for not having thousands of pounds to give to rich media companies, guess that makes me an immoral criminal! |
As much as I really like this discussion, the topic itself relates to a website, so it belongs in Life, the Universe, and Everything.
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...this text makes no goddamn sense and what makes sense has probably already been mentioned, but whatever. Also, my vote for the next elections (sadly it's still 3 years until then...) : Spoiler:
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A lot of people in this thread are misunderstanding the lawsuit. TPB doesn't host illegal content, it hosts what are essentially LINKS to illegal content. Torrent files are files that point to resources that are distributed on a peer-to-peer network. They aren't charging them with hosting illegal content, as far as I'm aware. They're charging them with aiding copyright infringement, which is a far more accurate charge.
Now their argument is that they shouldn't be responsible for what their users do. They argue that they're like Google in that they just host a service and that their users are breaking the law, much like Google doesn't break any laws by linking to an illegal MediaShare file or something. A few years ago, they would have had a better argument in saying that they didn't have the capacity to filter illegal content, but then they started doing just that to filter child pornography and kind of screwed themselves over. The prosecution's argument, as far as I'm aware, is that unlike Google, they laugh in the face of copyright law every chance they get, and that they're fully aware that most users on their site use it for illegal purposes and they even help them do so without getting caught. Personally, I don't think it's their job to suck up to the copyright industry, but it doesn't cast them in a good light, and apparently that's all that's necessary. |
I hate stealing. I think my parents educated me properly. That's why I buy my music, games, videos and everything digital. I never used bitTorrent (even though I know a LOT of children and teens which do so, some which even offered to help me learn torrenting. I promptly refused) and never intend to.
Torrent sites will always exist. PirateBay gets shut down ? "np dudes and dudettes, got a new serva and a ton of bribe 1 :-D". You just can't hunt them down. As for the 4 founders...I think they got what they deserved. Stealing is a crime, so I see no reason not to put them in jail. Also, what about the users of PirateBay ? Didn't they commit crimes as well ? |
These guys need to be in jail. I'm sorry, but that's the cold truth.
The argument that I've been seeing online (and above) is that they're not hosting the illegal files, they're not putting them up. Essentially: they should not be responsible for what their users post. The fact is that they should be and are responsible for what their users post. Did anybody learn anything from the Amazon fiasco a few weeks ago? Yes, yes, yes, they are absolutely responsible for what people post. Furthermore, (all of that aside), the creators' intentions for the site are clearly to provide an outlet for people to download pirated content. It doesn't take a genius to figure this one out. Pirated content. Pirate Bay. And the argument that it just feeds to our capitalist society--that piracy doesn't hurt the big corps: it does. They lose loads. Not enough to kill them, but loads. And if you let this slide, then where do you draw the line? |
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Oh and I can still visit TPB as well, I think they're waiting on the ISP's to take charge at this point and all we can do is hope they don't follow suit. |
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But am I really supposed to feel sorry for them? Why should decent people be branded as criminals just because they can't afford to pay for music, movies and video games? People have to spend their money on much more important things. As a result there's nothing spare and if you can't afford, you're not allowed entertainment, apparently. I don't feel guilty from downloading anything at all. Oh no, a company has lost out on gaining my money when they already have millions, how awful! Remember they're losing potential revenue, not actual revenue. If I couldn't download, then I wouldn't buy. I'm sure a lot of other people who torrent illegally feel the same. So the amount of people who torrent can't be used to determine how much they're actually losing out by. And even if you did add that much, how much percentage are they actually losing? I bet it's nothing when compared to what they're already gaining. If I borrowed a game from a friend for the weekend, completed it, and never bought the game, does that make me a criminal? It's exactly the same thing. Except I am borrowing the game from a stranger on the internet. I don't sell the game, I don't make a profit from it, nobody is losing out, I just get a few hours of entertainment. |
it's stupid really. i have to agree with stratos99 on this.
music is art... and when art is finished, it no longer belongs to the artists. art is made for the people and for them to interpret them. i would know because i am an artist who paints. i get money well i sell it. but when people reproduce it, i have no beef when they sell it. i know that my stuff is going around and i can legally prove where it originated when someone tries to claim it as their own. it's stupid really. i have to agree with stratos99 on this. music is art... and when art is finished, it no longer belongs to the artists. art is made for the people and for them to interpret them. i would know because i am an artist who paints. i get money well i sell it. but when people reproduce it, i have no beef when they sell it. i know that my stuff is going around and i can legally prove where it originated when someone tries to claim it as their own. |
I don't get why they went to jail. As twocows said, they are only links for the people to use the peer-to-peer network. If they went to jail, almost every website where you can download things should be banned too, like mediafire, megaupload, ffinsider and such considering they actually are distributing the files. Rather than making them go to jail AND pay 6.3 million, why not make them pay so that the money oculd be distributed among the ocmpanies that were involved, and make them shut the website down, it's not like they killed anyone. Or, make them make those who have use the pirate bay pay for the use of it, like other websites do?
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Oh noes. Not the Pirate Bay. I'm a bad person, and I will cease pirating immediately.
After all, torrenting the image song for Furude Hanyuu is equivalent to baby-eating, but not releasing it/charging a fortune for it because you can is perfectly moral. Piracy is not theft, asshats. (No, that wasn't directed at anyone here. Please don't cry...) I'm a capitalist, but... EDIT: Wait, they're going to a Swedish jail? Can I take their place? I've heard that Scandinavian prisons are really... "horrible." :P |
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As for the whole record label thing, people complain about how big companies are swindling them all the time, but when it comes to getting your hands dirty and actually trying to make things better, everyone suddenly gets quiet. The reason? Stealing removes motivation. It makes you lazy. Why should you work for something when you can have it for free? But it's that attitude that caused these problems in the first place. People need to wake up and realize that things are going to stay the way they are (or get worse) unless someone takes it upon themselves to fix the source of the problem instead of working around it. |
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