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Mew~ January 31st, 2011 5:16 AM

I seriously don't know how those two got together, he's all skinny and scrawny and shes all mega epic big momma.

Also, since were talking about the games. I wanna make a ship with Love and Peace (the "Goddesses"), they look really pwetty in the games, I hope they show up in the anime. Maybe Love x Peace or Love x N x Peace... Except, if they're all releated that would be weirdddd.....!~!!

Frostik January 31st, 2011 7:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6428202)
Except, if they're all releated that would be weirdddd.....!~!!

Blood relations, age, and species: things that have never stopped any 'shipper before.

Mew~ January 31st, 2011 7:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6428384)
Blood relations, age, and species: things that have never stopped any 'shipper before.

Yes I know that, but it would still be weird.

I got it! HippieShipping xD

Shedinjareese February 2nd, 2011 9:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6428387)

Yes I know that, but it would still be weird.

I got it! HippieShipping xD

Haha I love the name of that. And at first I was like, "Oh I wish I knew what they looked like," and then I saw your avatar. ;)

AshPikastar February 2nd, 2011 8:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6428387)

Yes I know that, but it would still be weird.

I got it! HippieShipping xD

Oh so that was what who you where talking about; the one in your signature. They are pretty cute and Hippieshipping is adorable.

Aquacorde February 2nd, 2011 8:17 PM

....and we now have a wonderful new thread name. xD I should make a MysteryEggShipping banner in celebration.

AshPikastar February 2nd, 2011 8:32 PM

Lol I was wondering if this was still the Anime Shipping debate or not when I noticed the title. Why is it called "Ash's Egg, To: Ash, Flowers and Chocolate?"

Aquacorde February 2nd, 2011 8:35 PM

Valentine's Day + MysteryEggShipping, I would think.

Regeneration February 3rd, 2011 1:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSmartOne (Post 6433496)
....and we now have a wonderful new thread name. xD I should make a MysteryEggShipping banner in celebration.

Leave that honour to the mastermind of MysteryEggShipping. =D
Or how about having a MysteryEggShipping banner making contest? 8D

AshPikastar February 3rd, 2011 3:41 AM

That would be quiet interesting to have a banner contest.

Regeneration February 3rd, 2011 4:47 AM

The winning entry would make it to the first post of this thread! I highly doubt whether we'll receive enough entries though. -.-

Iris. February 3rd, 2011 9:25 AM

I would totally join! :3

It probably won't be perfect, but if I get my computer back (the one with photoshop) before the deadline, It should look great.

I'm sure I can get some more people to join.

Can we make it offical?

Spinor February 3rd, 2011 10:00 AM

A banner making contest?...

...

... Meh, it's not something I'll likely participate in, but I can host that over at Art Gallery. I'll talk to gav and/or Shivs.

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The winning entry would make it to the first post of this thread!
Dream on.

Mew~ February 3rd, 2011 10:37 AM

Do you really need to ask them? It's your thread? Unless you want to make a new thread for it, that would be a good idea.

Anyway, yeah like the no.1 iris fan evar "Iris" said. I'll hopefully join.

Aquacorde February 3rd, 2011 10:46 AM

I was gonna do it for the hell of it, but I'd join a contest.

Mew~ February 3rd, 2011 10:59 AM

Yeah, it sounds great.

Anyway, back on topic a little.

How about a real debate here now? I don't think we've had one since Commanderpigg was here, but that wasn't very serious - we need a real serious debate. >:3

Aquacorde February 3rd, 2011 11:00 AM

We need a real debate, but the only debates I've seen is between you and me over VM.

Mew~ February 3rd, 2011 11:14 AM

Yeah, they are really fun.

Okay, well we need a topic then...

Anyone got any ideas?

AshPikastar February 3rd, 2011 3:12 PM

Oh yeah some of Commanderpigg debates where good. I don't think I got anything at the top of my head at this moment.

Spinor February 3rd, 2011 4:18 PM

Hmm... right, the true concept of debating has sort of faded away these days. Everybody's so... mature. Compared to far back when immature people always had the impulse to pick a fight. Nobody does that anymore. And proper debates are also hard because they're based on hints and possible intentions of the writers. But by now most of us have the writers mapped to the point where it's apparent they're extremely hesitant to insert anymore of these 'hints'. But I do feel there were a few instances before for the purpose of "Ship-teasing".

And I still remember that's the thing that always got us heated up over our cases: The hints. I still remember how heated people were during the Advanceshipping vs Pokeshipping era, well before Dawn came into the picture. Where are our hints? Where are our cases? And now the replacement of the main girl has become routine.

And the reason the secondary ships also only seemed to be discussed for fun and for general topicness is because there aren't any real hints to form the heat that we all used to spout back in the old internet.

That's... why I've been wanting a dedicated sub-forum for a while now. Because the shipping community is leaning more towards unity than war. Overall because the internet is more civilized and educated now. I'm not saying there aren't anymore crap 4chan ripoffs, but that's a whole other civilization.

I'll even go against my own ship for a bit: Negaishipping. Can you find more than 10 definite hints in all the previous episodes without looking like an idiot nitpicking at every detail like Iris was a centimeter closer to Ash than average?

Aquacorde February 3rd, 2011 5:21 PM

I completely agree with that. The concept that people on the internet have matured... I've been looking through the old shipping debates thread and just reading the little confrontations and crazy **** that went down and AK47's noob posts and thinking "Wow, that stuff never happens anymore." That reason is also why my Nightclub in OT failed... it's because no-one really lets loose anymore.

I can attest to the lack of hints, too. CaféMochaShipping... one of ours is that Pikachu didn't shock Dent upon meeting him. Another is that Pikachu sits on Dent's shoulder rather than standing on the sidelines in BW016. Not quite as fun as the hints that used to be thrown in.

Have you brought this up with anyone as a reason for a Shipping sub-forum?

Spinor February 3rd, 2011 5:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSmartOne (Post 6435313)

Have you brought this up with anyone as a reason for a Shipping sub-forum?

Not really. I didn't think it be much too apparent since few of the H-staff actually watches Pokemon.

Aquacorde February 3rd, 2011 6:07 PM

Regardless of if they watch Pokémon or not, it is a convincing argument for the implementation of a sub-forum. The least they could do is listen.

Edit: I got bored.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6660/meship.png

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8921/meship2.png

RubyJB88 February 3rd, 2011 7:58 PM

What are you guys talking about?? Maturity on the internet? Are you sure you've all looked at the right sites? I still see tons of idiocy and ignorance on the internet. Misinformed bunch of imbeciles. Nothing has changed, just that more and more people, including the ones with very very little IQ, have managed to get ahold of devices connected to the internet so they can spew their nonsense for other sheep to hear. I see it everyday. Perhaps not on this Pokemon fansite do we see crazy debates anymore, but I know others like Bulbagarden they're still ready to chop each others' heads off.

Frostik February 3rd, 2011 8:18 PM

I gotta agree. There's not a lot of unity among shippers anywhere, let alone in this fandom. It's still Ash/girls vs themselves vs the world. Pokeshippers today generally chew up any 'ship that includes Ash or Misty in it, Advanceshippers still deny Contestshipping as plausible (if not where the writers were headed), Pearlshippers get bummed out about Penguinshipping, and Negai/Wishful/CafeMocha haven't had a real chance get to get in the brawl.

*this is also most, not all; there are always exceptions to any situation* The reason you don't got a lot of bickering here is probably the lack of a sub-forum. All the more reason to not have one.

If you 'ship ghei, or Pikashipping, you're more or less reconciled to it not happening (though denial in jest happens enough). If you 'ship crack, same thing. If you 'ship Rocketshipping...all you gotta worry about are the faction you aren't a part of (rare as I've seen them), because KoKo and Tatu aren't exactly rival 'ships. If you were Ash/any other one-sided girl!crush, you don't pose as much a threat as to the traveling companions.

Maturity with a grain of salt, honestly. There's little maturity to be found among the younger generation, which is what this is, as I'd wager most you see today are under 20.

Mew~ February 4th, 2011 7:46 AM

So now we're talking about maturity on the internet? Hmmm...

Anyway, on-topic...

This is such an awsome Wishfulshipping picture:


The reson we don't have a shipping sub-forum is because we don't have enough activity in this section. Plus most people here just join for free hacks. Hardly anyone here cares about shippings, other than some of us regulars. Although - A sub-section for the general section would make more sense, we could discuss game and manga ships there also.

Something interesting - we never really ever debate about pokémon shippings just the trainers really... and the whole point about the anime is the pokémon. I would ship Ash's Mijumaru with Dawn's piplup. xD

Also, I asked Kirbychu if I could just a thread of the Banner contest. Just waiting on his reply if he aproves and will sticky it.

Jorah February 4th, 2011 8:49 AM

The only two Pokemon I would've shipped together in the anime is Ash's Pikachu and Dawn's Piplup, they actually seemed like good friends...or at least it was shown more than the other Pokemon's. Perhaps Ash's Mijimaru and Pikachu, when times goes on to see if they're actually funny together.

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Originally Posted by RubyJB88 (Post 6435702)
What are you guys talking about?? Maturity on the internet? Are you sure you've all looked at the right sites? I still see tons of idiocy and ignorance on the internet. Misinformed bunch of imbeciles. Nothing has changed, just that more and more people, including the ones with very very little IQ, have managed to get ahold of devices connected to the internet so they can spew their nonsense for other sheep to hear. I see it everyday. Perhaps not on this Pokemon fansite do we see crazy debates anymore, but I know others like Bulbagarden they're still ready to chop each others' heads off.

Oh my goodness, I agree 100%, you all have failed.

Frostik February 4th, 2011 9:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6436255)
Something interesting - we never really ever debate about pokémon shippings just the trainers really...

I'd prefer if it was a general conversation thread, instead of having to actually debate (which doesn't happen more-so that freetalk does). If there can be only one thread, it should be less specific and more general. Who really wants to debate, anyway? Debating is how the hate starts. *sob*

AshPikastar February 4th, 2011 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6436255)


This is such an awsome Wishfulshipping picture:


Wishfulshipping is so cute. Something that I can't deny.

As for Pokemon shipping; I'm not much a shipper with Pokemon. PiplupxPikachu is actually pretty funny and cute at the same time.

Pokemon Master Derrville February 4th, 2011 2:16 PM

Not familiar with any of this lingo... its literally like Greek to me.

Spinor February 4th, 2011 5:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokemon Master Derrville (Post 6436708)
Not familiar with any of this lingo... its literally like Greek to me.

Oh COME ON! I took the time and effort to create a well-organized and explanatory and newcomer friendly introduction to this thread and the concept of shipping in the first post and this is the feedback I get!? >__>

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Wishfulshipping is so cute. Something that I can't deny.
No it's not. Purple and Green mix into a crapish dark color.

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I'd prefer if it was a general conversation thread, instead of having to actually debate (which doesn't happen more-so that freetalk does). If there can be only one thread, it should be less specific and more general. Who really wants to debate, anyway? Debating is how the hate starts. *sob*
It is a conversation thread <firstpost>, >__> I just can't bear to officially change the name of this thread. Shipping Debate's been the name and it will forever be regardless of how our mission has changed. Think of it as PC's slogan. Nobody's really working on a better one D:

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Something interesting - we never really ever debate about pokémon shippings just the trainers really... and the whole point about the anime is the pokémon. I would ship Ash's Mijumaru with Dawn's piplup. xD
Even with Pokemon, I'm not a fan of homosexual ships >__>

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Oh my goodness, I agree 100%, you all have failed.
There's still the point that PokeCommunity is not the same as any other Pokemon forum. We are much more civilized, therefore we bite off the hands from noobs in a second.

And you know what, I just remembered a good topic that's grinded my nerves during debates: Homosexual ships. What IS the reasonability here? And if the ship is supported on the basis of reality, why isn't the fact that Pokemon is not a mature show considered? Yes, I'm looking at you, Smartsies.

Frostik February 4th, 2011 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6436966)
Oh COME ON! I took the time and effort to create a well-organized and explanatory and newcomer friendly introduction to this thread and the concept of shipping in the first post and this is the feedback I get!? >__>

*pat* It was very well done. ...Just not very well appreciated.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6436966)
It is a conversation thread <firstpost>, >__> I just can't bear to officially change the name of this thread. Shipping Debate's been the name and it will forever be regardless of how our mission has changed. Think of it as PC's slogan. Nobody's really working on a better one D:

I'm old. I don't read. Though I like the analogy. =D

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6436966)
There's still the point that PokeCommunity is not the same as any other Pokemon forum. We are much more civilized, therefore we bite off the hands from noobs in a second.

And you know what, I just remembered a good topic that's grinded my nerves during debates: Homosexual ships. What IS the reasonability here? And if the ship is supported on the basis of reality, why isn't the fact that Pokemon is not a mature show considered? Yes, I'm looking at you, Smartsies.

Which explains the biting of said above?

What's reasonable anyway? No one who 'ships a gay couple is expecting it to ever be addressed in-show, or for it to magically happen over the boy/girl possibility. You take the same non-conclusive hints from any couple destined not to get together, and you get the same results, no matter what genders are involved. So why can't they be included in the conjecture? Are we really taking it seriously?

Kirbychu February 4th, 2011 6:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokemon Master Derrville (Post 6436708)
Not familiar with any of this lingo... its literally like Greek to me.

This is why it's important to read the first post whenever you plan on posting in a thread. :V

Read that sexy guide created by AK47 and you'll be a shipping debater in no time.

Spinor February 4th, 2011 6:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6437011)
What's reasonable anyway? No one who 'ships a gay couple is expecting it to ever be addressed in-show, or for it to magically happen over the boy/girl possibility. You take the same non-conclusive hints from any couple destined not to get together, and you get the same results, no matter what genders are involved. So why can't they be included in the conjecture? Are we really taking it seriously?

What bothers me is the rationality of such shippings. If you're just shipping but without canon expectance, then I can understand the desire to have fun. But what bothers me is EXPECTING something from the canon. It's not rational, it's illogical to expect such things from a children's show.

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Originally Posted by Kirbychu (Post 6437196)

This is why it's important to read the first post whenever you plan on posting in a thread. :V

Read that sexy guide created by AK47 and you'll be a shipping debater in no time.

Thank you Kirbychu ^__^ If only there was a big sign/announcement to read the first post of the shipping thread before posting. Derrville, feel free to VM me any questions AFTER you've read the first post >__>

Oh, Anastasia is considering approving a graphics contest for us. But we need details. What do we have:

1. Graphics
2. The topic is 'Shipping'

... and that's about it? o__o will you guys be able to handle "Shipping" as the abstract-ish theme of the contest?

Frostik February 4th, 2011 7:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6437224)
What bothers me is the rationality of such shippings. If you're just shipping but without canon expectance, then I can understand the desire to have fun. But what bothers me is EXPECTING something from the canon. It's not rational, it's illogical to expect such things from a children's show.

Well, EXPECTING something to happen in canon is more along the lines of the slip-ins, as it were. Palletshipping has the hold from Viridian Gym. Bouldershipping has when Brock was sick. The things that seem ambiguous are what people latch onto. The same little things het 'shippers snag are the same things gay 'shippers snag.

Like, take the episode The Electrike Company. It's late, Brock's making something, and the male CotD walks in in his underthings (instead of his normal clothing). Why? Why the need to dress the character down? Obviously, it's to show Brock's working late into the night, but at the same time, I'm going, "IN THE JUNGLE, THE MIGHTY JUNGLE, THE LION SLEEPS TONIIIIIIIIGHT o/~" in my head, because if that wasn't a kids show--no, actually, if it was ANY other shounen show that took its character development and story seriously, I'd be expecting some kind of encounter that reenforces or kills a possibility.

But it's not, so you take what you get. And those are the little things that slip under the radar. That's what people expect.

RubyJB88 February 4th, 2011 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mew~
Something interesting - we never really ever debate about pokémon shippings just the trainers really... and the whole point about the anime is the pokémon. I would ship Ash's Mijumaru with Dawn's piplup. xD

Which is sad, even for this particular anime that focuses on these monsters, and not the humans who use them (which segues into the N debate). Real shipping debates would happen with anime that do focus on character development and the like. That is not Pokemon.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47
But what bothers me is EXPECTING something from the canon. It's not rational, it's illogical to expect such things from a children's show.

I think society is to blame for that. On other TV shows they see it's okay for straight, gay, and bi relationships to exist, and they think they can apply that to an anime, which is not for the same audience as the other TV shows. I'm sure there's anime now that allow such relationships to exist, right? I'm not one of those anime-holics. But Pokemon doesn't fall into that anime category.

Pokemon Master Derrville February 4th, 2011 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirbychu (Post 6437196)

This is why it's important to read the first post whenever you plan on posting in a thread. :V

Read that sexy guide created by AK47 and you'll be a shipping debater in no time.

I clicked on the thread from the main forums I guess and actually thought the first post on this page was the first post. Not till I had already posted did I see it was like the 15th page haha Dunno what happened.

PearlShipper4Life February 5th, 2011 11:36 PM

US Will finally know about Negaishipping, they've all been in the dark about it till now wow.

Frostik February 6th, 2011 3:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PearlShipper4Life (Post 6440033)
US Will finally know about Negaishipping, they've all been in the dark about it till now wow.

*raises eyebrows* If they're still in the dark about BW, they're either not watching the show anymore, or don't go on the internet. They know it exists (and some curse that it does....being the ones who obvious don't care for 'ships), because the main girl's thrown into the hero's arms EVERY TIME. It's not hard to jump from "new girl" to "well ****, the fans will be jumping on that one <<".

...Besides, it's all about CafeMochashipping. *waves away Negai and Wishful*

PearlShipper4Life February 6th, 2011 11:45 AM

Eh? I like CafeMochashipping too, either way is win for meXD And some people just watch the series on Cartoon Network, so they don't always know about what. Heck I saw some people say wow I wonder what will happen in the next series? So yah not every one does watch it on the internet.

Jorah February 6th, 2011 11:51 AM

I think our dear Sheddy doesn't watch or keep up with the Japanese version, so at least she'll know what we're talking about, I suppose XD

CommanderPigg February 6th, 2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6440260)
...Besides, it's all about CafeMochashipping. *waves away Negai and Wishful*

You deserve a cookie! Or a day at Dento's host club, whichever appeals to you more :)

And I like it here. There really isn't much unity in the shipping community, not because people can't respect other's opinions or anything, they just prefer to stay within one section...fortunately, multishippers are growing with the advent of BW :D

I mean, the segregation definitely wasn't as bad as, let's say, AG when it was Contest vs. Advance vs. Poke but we all know respectshipping rules all!

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6436966)
And you know what, I just remembered a good topic that's grinded my nerves during debates: Homosexual ships. What IS the reasonability here? And if the ship is supported on the basis of reality, why isn't the fact that Pokemon is not a mature show considered? Yes, I'm looking at you, Smartsies.

You know, I could say the same thing about heterosexual ships, especially if they're with Ash...or pretty much everyone after Drew and May. The thing is, I'm not completely deluded into thinking that a ship will become canon, I'm content with it receiving a lot of "hints" and "fanservice" during the show so I can construct a fanon fot it.

Just take Ash and Paul's farewell scene for example. Even my non-coma friends detected a manly homo-vibe from it. They were staring deeply into each other's eyes while Ash chased his rival into the sunset...sounds like the premise of a cheap romantic novel to me ;) They could have easily just made Paul be like "kthxbai" right after Ash beat him...but, they took it a step further than they needed to!

Does this mean that afterward, Ash is going to confess his love to Paul and they'll go off and be married make sweet rival-ly love? No, of course not.

But it's easier to believe such a thing will happen after that event ;P

Let's just put it this way: I think that all the Ash x Main girl ships have the same chance of becoming canon as all of the Ash x Main rival ships. Regardless of sexuality, because of the genre of the show.

PearlShipper4Life February 6th, 2011 12:15 PM

Awesome, I love that you mentioned that Comashipping scene, I think every one got a Yaoi vibe from it, even none shippersXD

Aquacorde February 6th, 2011 3:38 PM

I hate going away for a weekend. ;-;

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6436966)
And you know what, I just remembered a good topic that's grinded my nerves during debates: Homosexual ships. What IS the reasonability here? And if the ship is supported on the basis of reality, why isn't the fact that Pokemon is not a mature show considered? Yes, I'm looking at you, Smartsies.

Since when is homosexuality confined to a "mature" audience? :/

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6437224)
What bothers me is the rationality of such shippings. If you're just shipping but without canon expectance, then I can understand the desire to have fun. But what bothers me is EXPECTING something from the canon. It's not rational, it's illogical to expect such things from a children's show.

So are you expecting actual development for NegaiShipping then, or are you just shipping it for fun? It really is just as likely as CaféMocha.

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6440260)
...Besides, it's all about CafeMochashipping. *waves away Negai and Wishful*

:D

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Originally Posted by CommanderPigg (Post 6440909)
You know, I could say the same thing about heterosexual ships, especially if they're with Ash...or pretty much everyone after Drew and May. The thing is, I'm not completely deluded into thinking that a ship will become canon, I'm content with it receiving a lot of "hints" and "fanservice" during the show so I can construct a fanon fot it.

Let's just put it this way: I think that all the Ash x Main girl ships have the same chance of becoming canon as all of the Ash x Main rival ships. Regardless of sexuality, because of the genre of the show.

Agreed.

AshPikastar February 6th, 2011 4:34 PM

I feel as if I need to post here since I haven't posted for a while and a interesting topic is going along. I didn't have much to say but I tried my best to put some effort into saying something about this.

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6440260)
...Besides, it's all about CafeMochashipping. *waves away Negai and Wishful*

The hints of CafeMochashipping is starting to grow. We need more Wishfulshipping hints.

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Originally Posted by PearlShipper4Life (Post 6440878)
Eh? I like CafeMochashipping too, either way is win for meXD And some people just watch the series on Cartoon Network, so they don't always know about what. Heck I saw some people say wow I wonder what will happen in the next series? So yah not every one does watch it on the internet.

Some people didn't even realize that Pokemon was Japanese like for instance when DP came out I soon found out that the Japanese version had more episodes a head of us which got me to watch Japanese first before the show. If I didn't realize this then I would have never known about BW until now.

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Originally Posted by CommanderPigg (Post 6440909)

I mean, the segregation definitely wasn't as bad as, let's say, AG when it was Contest vs. Advance vs. Poke but we all know respectshipping rules all!


I remember the Contest vs Advance vs Poke back in the day. If it was still like this for vs those three shippings then this debate would probably be huge.

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Does this mean that afterward, Ash is going to confess his love to Paul and they'll go off and be married make sweet rival-ly love? No, of course not.

But it's easier to believe such a thing will happen after that event ;P
And I think that's what a lot of shippers like to do. They like to believe what could actually happen if one shipper goes with another shipper(Here comes Fanfics). That's what make it fun about shipping.

Frostik February 6th, 2011 6:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar (Post 6441509)
The hints of CafeMochashipping is starting to grow. We need more Wishfulshipping hints.


The plus for CafeMocha is that it was let out of the box with a bang. Akin to Barry's man-crush on Paul. Or Brock and every romance he tried to start. It's hints can drift to nothing, and all everyone will remember is that he tried to jump across the table to-- *massages temples* Okay, won't get crude.


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I remember the Contest vs Advance vs Poke back in the day. If it was still like this for vs those three shippings then this debate would probably be huge.
This is why I generally don't 'ship mainstream; it's much too much of a turn-off when you associate any part of its existence with negativity (I could tell a story about the G-Gundam fandom that impacted a bunch of other fandoms I favored; and you thought your fandoms hated Teh Ghei. Not like that. Never like that.). And it's hard to shake.


Someone on BMGf brought up how mentioning Advanceshipping already brought up slamming Pokeshipping, and another person said, "Well yeah, do you remember back when May was on, they did it to us?" I was thinking in my head, "Yeah, that was then. Pokeshippers rag more on Pearlshippers and Negaishippers than ADV, considering that's long past its due date." Yet Advanceshippers today still consider Pokeshipping its biggest threat and will bash it now while Pokeshippers don't give a crud over Advanceshipping anymore.

Now have a logical look-down at that: Pokeshippers go after the Ship of the Hour. The Ships of the Hour go after Pokeshipping, even when Pokeshippers isn't going after them. Every Ash/girl shipper who isn't one is threatened by Pokeshipping, whether they admit it or not. Pokeshippers, plenty scared by the Advanceshippers back in the day, since new girl was new (and new boy for old boy doesn't do crap), and Pearlshipping, not so threatening. Why? Because we are now used to girls being changed like Ash's underwear. Negai itself is a threat, because Negaishippers are really seeing this as Pokeshipping 2.0 (I don't blame them).

Thinking of the hassle it all causes for all four of them (not even going to throw Contest into the mix), you're really better off getting yourself a ship that won't happen, wishing it would without deluding yourself, and BE HAPPY instead of turning grey with worry over which female companion will get sent off with the hero, and who might do it over who you're supporting and I kindly want to die now.

*hugs every single Brock'ship she's ever supported* You'll never let me down, will you. No you won't, no you won't~

RubyJB88 February 6th, 2011 7:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSmartOne
Since when is homosexuality confined to a "mature" audience? :/

Because immature audiences cannot handle homosexuality.

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar
And I think that's what a lot of shippers like to do. They like to believe what could actually happen if one shipper goes with another shipper(Here comes Fanfics). That's what make it fun about shipping.

But once the fanfic starts warping into what reality is in the anime, that's where things start to go wrong. Readers look too hardly into it and start believing it may come true.

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Someone on BMGf brought up how mentioning Advanceshipping already brought up slamming Pokeshipping, and another person said, "Well yeah, do you remember back when May was on, they did it to us?" I was thinking in my head, "Yeah, that was then. Pokeshippers rag more on Pearlshippers and Negaishippers than ADV, considering that's long past its due date." Yet Advanceshippers today still consider Pokeshipping its biggest threat and will bash it now while Pokeshippers don't give a crud over Advanceshipping anymore.
Now that Negai is being pulled to the front of the stage, while Pearl is moving to the back to join Advanced, Pokeshippers will target Negai more. That's how the cycle works. If Advanceshippers think the Pokes are their archenemy, what will be Pearl's? Penguin? Coma? ColdCoffee? Same can be applied with the current ships, what will really challenge Negai, will it be CafeMocha?

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Originally Posted by Frostik
Negai itself is a threat, because Negaishippers are really seeing this as Pokeshipping 2.0 (I don't blame them).

I'm not really feeling Negai as Poke 2.0 (if you're really saying Iris is Misty 2.0). Iris doesn't have that wank that Misty had. Within the first few episodes we've seen what Misty was like. But with Iris, I'm not sure. She has the "gym-leader vibe" in her like Misty, and has a Pokemon (Excadrill) who doesn't listen to her almost similar to Misty's Psyduck.

GlalieX February 6th, 2011 8:40 PM

Even as an Advanceshipper, I was starting to get fond of Pearlshipping but now there isn't much to talk about with it anymore. Oh well. :P

Frostik February 6th, 2011 8:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RubyJB88 (Post 6441928)
Because immature audiences cannot handle homosexuality.

Now that Negai is being pulled to the front of the stage, while Pearl is moving to the back to join Advanced, Pokeshippers will target Negai more. That's how the cycle works. If Advanceshippers think the Pokes are their archenemy, what will be Pearl's? Penguin? Coma? ColdCoffee? Same can be applied with the current ships, what will really challenge Negai, will it be CafeMocha?

I'm not really feeling Negai as Poke 2.0 (if you're really saying Iris is Misty 2.0). Iris doesn't have that wank that Misty had. Within the first few episodes we've seen what Misty was like. But with Iris, I'm not sure. She has the "gym-leader vibe" in her like Misty, and has a Pokemon (Excadrill) who doesn't listen to her almost similar to Misty's Psyduck.

Immature audiences "can't handle homosexuality" because their parents won't want to deal with having to explain it. Bottom line. If kids are fully equipped to handle the straight, they can certainly handle the gay. It's social stigma that says otherwise.

Advanceshippers have more to fear from Contestshipping than Pokeshipping, honestly. Pearl only has two, really: Penguin and HeatTag. If Conway hadn't been introduced after Kenny, I'd be damn convinced they were trying to make him a love interest....which would have been fascinating. A regular trainer who only interacts with the coordinator in non-Contest situations? It certainly would have been different from May and Drew's subplot. I might have even come to love it!

The idea that Best Wishes is an expy reboot of Kanto doesn't hurt Negai's standing as Pokeshipping 2.0. Misty has older stand-ins for her gym, and we can only assume Shaga's the current leader, meaning he's also a stand-in (and why Iris has yet to battle Ash, despite he wishes to). Dento and Brock leave under similar circumstances, we're close to the third gym by episode 20, Ash had seven Pokemon this early in Kanto, etc. If you draw enough comparisons to the series itself, a lot of Negaishippers are going to say the relationship between Iris and Ash is a reboot of the one Misty and Ash had.

That said, we don't have a good handle on any of the three Unova 'ships. We won't know what comparisons to really draw until maybe another half year from now.

CommanderPigg February 6th, 2011 8:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PearlShipper4Life (Post 6440979)
Awesome, I love that you mentioned that Comashipping scene, I think every one got a Yaoi vibe from it, even none shippersXD

Heehee, it even converted a few people ;)

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Originally Posted by TheSmartOne (Post 6441394)

Since when is homosexuality confined to a "mature" audience? :/


So are you expecting actual development for NegaiShipping then, or are you just shipping it for fun? It really is just as likely as CaféMocha.

Most ships on pokemon should just be for fun, but you can tell that certain ones are less neglected by the writers in terms of screen time and interaction with each other (Or, as I'd like to call them, "valuable AMV material").

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar (Post 6441509)

The hints of CafeMochashipping is starting to grow. We need more Wishfulshipping hints.


LOL, I'm okay with this XD And with BW19 about to air, hopefully, we'll be getting even more Cafémocha!

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Some people didn't even realize that Pokemon was Japanese like for instance when DP came out I soon found out that the Japanese version had more episodes a head of us which got me to watch Japanese first before the show. If I didn't realize this then I would have never known about BW until now.
I found out somewhere towards the middle of Hoenn that Japanese episodes existed. Boy, was it an eye opener!

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I remember the Contest vs Advance vs Poke back in the day. If it was still like this for vs those three shippings then this debate would probably be huge.
The debate would be monstrous and flamey, probably *is a cynic*

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6441818)

The plus for CafeMocha is that it was let out of the box with a bang. Akin to Barry's man-crush on Paul. Or Brock and every romance he tried to start. It's hints can drift to nothing, and all everyone will remember is that he tried to jump across the table to-- *massages temples* Okay, won't get crude.



Oh, looolll!!! But the thing is, they expanded on Barry's mancrush, quite a bit. He couldn't stop fanboying over him during the league..."It gets lonely at the top, but Paul will keep me company!"

And the fact that Ash and Dento travel with each other opens up a mountain of possibilities and opportunities! I mean, look at the Ash x Main girl ships! And BOULDERSHIPPING! (Which is better IMO <3)

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This is why I generally don't 'ship mainstream; it's much too much of a turn-off when you associate any part of its existence with negativity (I could tell a story about the G-Gundam fandom that impacted a bunch of other fandoms I favored; and you thought your fandoms hated Teh Ghei. Not like that. Never like that.). And it's hard to shake.
I ship if I like. I'm lucky if it's mainstream, because then I get to find more fanart...but a lot of the times, it isn't :( Pray tell, what happened? XD

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Thinking of the hassle it all causes for all four of them (not even going to throw Contest into the mix), you're really better off getting yourself a ship that won't happen, wishing it would without deluding yourself, and BE HAPPY instead of turning grey with worry over which female companion will get sent off with the hero, and who might do it over who you're supporting and I kindly want to die now.
I've noticed that a lot of crack shippers are generally less confrontational and agreeable. Shipping in a series like pokemon should never be done for canon-ness IMO (but it's fun discussing it and joking about it).

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Now that Negai is being pulled to the front of the stage, while Pearl is moving to the back to join Advanced, Pokeshippers will target Negai more. That's how the cycle works. If Advanceshippers think the Pokes are their archenemy, what will be Pearl's? Penguin? Coma? ColdCoffee? Same can be applied with the current ships, what will really challenge Negai, will it be CafeMocha?
I've noticed something interesting...isn't kinda weird that Wishfulshipping is getting a bit more attention than Negai? Usually the main girl shipping dominates the other ships in the region, but now, the other ships are pretty hefty competitors against them...Yes, Cafémocha included!

I thought Pearl and Coma were arch enemies! XD Nah, the Dawn ships seem to co-exist in relative harmony...except for some reason Pearl and Penguin during Kenny's last episode >_>


*Phew* long post is long!

Spinor February 7th, 2011 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSmartOne (Post 6441394)

So are you expecting actual development for NegaiShipping then, or are you just shipping it for fun? It really is just as likely as CaféMocha.

Aha, now let's look at this from a mathematical point of view:

First, shipping must be well defined. We will define shipping explicitly as it is generally assumed: The canon revelation of mutual attraction between two characters.

What exactly is it meant by Negaishipping having the same chances as Cafemochashipping? Define N as the probability of Negaishipping and M as the probability of Cafemochashipping. You are claiming that M = N. Therefore any values we find for either M or N will respective go to the other unconditionally.

Let's assume the argument that no or none of these two ships are possible, N=M=0. The only problem is that we never know the chances of a ship actually becoming canon. You are not a writer, and therefore you cannot claim a 0% chance on anything.

However, the argument that the probability for the main ships decreases for each passing generation cannot be refuted. So we can assume that it is possible for N < Pe < A < Pk, where the later implied are Pearl, Advance, and Pokeshipping respectively. Your argument would therefore include the possibility of M < Pe < A < Pk.

But now reasoning must be thrown into the mix. Homosexuality is a taboo in a show with an age range of the tween years. By how we have defined shipping, it is a taboo for Ash and Cilan to canonically have mutual attraction. This can mean two things:

M = 0
M = lim_x->0(x), where this means we can assume an infinitesimal probability.

But of course, M = 0 is false by our argument of "We are not the writers", so the infinitesimal chance remains.

Therefore, through your argument, N = lim_x->0(x) as well. However, the possible argument that probabilities of later main ships are decreased brings a mathematical and logical inconstancy. Let A represent the next ship with Ash and the next main girl.

If A were also forced to have the same infinitesimal chance, this would obliterate the assumed argument. Therefore, we cannot assume of any ships involved with that inequality any more, therefore nothing can be assumed of N anymore. Therefore, M = N cannot be proved, therefore cannot be stated.

If A were forced to be zero, this would show that either the generation of A would be the last generation, because the argument cannot have negative variables because they represent probabilities. Or the argument would once again shatter, leaving the same aforementioned conclusion of the stateability of N=M. This assumption would contradict the "Writers" argument in the first place. And by contradiction, N =/= M

In conclusion, N=M cannot be stated, or N=/= M. It is most possible that N > M and M can be assumed infinitesimal.

QED

Jorah February 7th, 2011 4:22 AM

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I liked this equation because it mentioned N.

But in actuality, I understood everything you said. I wouldn't say each new ship with Ash has less chance than the last. Before Negai, I would've agreed, but I think Negai comes before Advance, but after Pokeshipping. But yeah, everything with Ash has a probability of something next to 0. That you can say that homosexual ships are even as closely possible as hetro ships in this children's programme (which is hardly the show that is going to be breaking boundaries, dealing with taboo subjects...haha) pretty much shows how little the writers care about Ash having any sort of romantic interest anymore.

I don't think Ash will end up with anyone by the complete end of the whole series. For him to, he'd have to have a huge personality change, and the writers dislike any permanent character development for him, it seems. It's just about him and Pikachu now. All anyone can do is have fun looking at "hints". Ash is going to live a long and full life - as a 10 year old - with his Pikachu, and no one else.~

Regeneration February 7th, 2011 4:51 AM

The entire process of the formation of that equation is flawed.

Total number of possibilities = 2

Probability of NegaiShipping = 1/2 = 50%
Probability of CafeMochaShipping = 1/2 = 50%

Now that should satisfy both of you. =D
You may now safely ignore this post.

AshPikastar February 7th, 2011 4:55 AM

Dang I got quoted a lot for my short post. Here comes a long post.

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6441818)

The plus for CafeMocha is that it was let out of the box with a bang. Akin to Barry's man-crush on Paul. Or Brock and every romance he tried to start. It's hints can drift to nothing, and all everyone will remember is that he tried to jump across the table to-- *massages temples* Okay, won't get crude.



That is true I have to admit.

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This is why I generally don't 'ship mainstream; it's much too much of a turn-off when you associate any part of its existence with negativity (I could tell a story about the G-Gundam fandom that impacted a bunch of other fandoms I favored; and you thought your fandoms hated Teh Ghei. Not like that. Never like that.). And it's hard to shake.
I don't ship mainstream much but the only ones that I actually do ship is Advanceshipping and Contestshipping.


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Originally Posted by RubyJB88 (Post 6441928)

But once the fanfic starts warping into what reality is in the anime, that's where things start to go wrong. Readers look too hardly into it and start believing it may come true.

Exactly which makes things go a bit too out of hand sometimes when it comes to wanting something to happen the way you want it.


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Originally Posted by GlalieX (Post 6441993)
Even as an Advanceshipper, I was starting to get fond of Pearlshipping but now there isn't much to talk about with it anymore. Oh well. :P

I was a bit the same way but instead of Pearlshipping I was leaning over to Contestshipping.

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Originally Posted by CommanderPigg (Post 6442015)

LOL, I'm okay with this XD And with BW19 about to air, hopefully, we'll be getting even more Cafémocha!




Oh yeah BW episode 19 will probably have a lot of Cafemochashipping. (Hopefully there'll be some Wishfulshipping too)

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I found out somewhere towards the middle of Hoenn that Japanese episodes existed. Boy, was it an eye opener!



I don't think I have watched the Jap version of Hoenn. I need to watch it.

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The debate would be monstrous and flamey, probably *is a cynic*
And things will go crazy and too over hand.

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Oh, looolll!!! But the thing is, they expanded on Barry's mancrush, quite a bit. He couldn't stop fanboying over him during the league..."It gets lonely at the top, but Paul will keep me company!"
I still remember the Barry obsession over Paul Man I'm already missing DP.



AK47: Why you have to put Math into all of this? The equation thing got me confused already XD.

Frostik February 7th, 2011 5:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CommanderPigg (Post 6442015)
And the fact that Ash and Dento travel with each other opens up a mountain of possibilities and opportunities! I mean, look at the Ash x Main girl ships! And BOULDERSHIPPING! (Which is better IMO <3)

*pets Bouldershipping* Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do~ Traveling with Ash is like being guaranteed someone with love you with him.

;_; Well, many not for poor Tracey. *not that he doesn't have his own ambitions; Elder vs Apprentice, anyone?*

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I ship if I like. I'm lucky if it's mainstream, because then I get to find more fanart...but a lot of the times, it isn't :( Pray tell, what happened? XD
Before G-Gundam was shown on Cartoon Network, there was a small community of people (women?) dedicated to it. Purists in any sense of the word. To them, if you didn't 'ship the main couples, you were a target for criticism. If 'shipped gay, you GTFO. If you 'shipped Domon/Allenby, you GTFO. If you 'shipped ANYTHING that wasn't the four main couples (and Chibodee/one of his four girls) you were told you weren't a fan of the show, because you didn't appreciate "the creator's vision." And they dominated the FFN section at the time.

Me, I entered as a Chibodee/George fan. They were the side favorites, and the only two of the five that had any real chemistry as companions beyond We're Awesome Chosen Ones (drinking together in the middle of a battle = usually says something). ...Actually, that's bias (the Kid was in the hero's grill, and the American was too), but the drinking did it anyway.

So being this of the time that FFN was /the/ place to go for fics, naturally, I went there to see if I could find anything. I wasn't surprised to find so little, but I was shocked at the lack of acceptance by the fandom BFNs (if you could call them that). Reading reviews for anything different was like an icepick being jabbed in your stomach. It was so closed off.

My feelings toward the show soured pretty quick, pretty hard. :B And it impacted my like of Zoids and my diehard love of Megaman X. Why? Because G-Gundam was dubbed by the same off-shoot company that dubbed Zoids: Chaotic Century and the later MMX games. How can I love MMX if all I'm being reminded of is stupid Domon Kasshu and the fans loyal to his damn boring existence with the annoying chick?

...I got better, later (btw, Domon is made of memeticism). =X But I think it left the specific community repressed.

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I've noticed something interesting...isn't kinda weird that Wishfulshipping is getting a bit more attention than Negai? Usually the main girl shipping dominates the other ships in the region, but now, the other ships are pretty hefty competitors against them...Yes, Cafémocha included!
It's could because at this stage, the solo 'shippers (as opposed to multies) are spreading themselves thinner with each new girl who shows up. People have started watching in DP and some still find themselves preferring the older companions, once they revisit the episodes they've missed. There are those not jumping 'ship.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6442243)
But now reasoning must be thrown into the mix. Homosexuality is a taboo in a show with an age range of the tween years.

Proof it's taboo in Japan to show ickle gay to a young audience, or your equation means nothing because it's based on the wrong logic.

And still not seeing how you jump from "(N=M) + (N=/= M) = (N > M)". That N's greater than M looks more pulled out the butt, simply on the standing of the taboo logic, which is flawed.

Mew~ February 7th, 2011 8:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Regeneration (Post 6442457)
The entire process of the formation of that equation is flawed.

Total number of possibilities = 2

Probability of NegaiShipping = 1/2 = 50%
Probability of CafeMochaShipping = 1/2 = 50%

Now that should satisfy both of you. =D
You may now safely ignore this post.

There a flaw in your equation - Another possibility:
  • Probability of NegaiShipping = 0%
  • Probability of CafeMochaShipping = 0%
  • Probability of a threesome with no strings attached = 100%

Regeneration February 7th, 2011 8:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6442649)

There a flaw in your equation - Another possibility:
  • Probability of NegaiShipping = 0%
  • Probability of CafeMochaShipping = 0%
  • Probability of a threesome with no strings attached = 100%

To hell with all this actually. Why are we putting in maths into shipping?

AshPikastar February 7th, 2011 9:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Regeneration (Post 6442672)

To hell with all this actually. Why are we putting in maths into shipping?

I know right? I'm already getting a headache from it.

Mew~ February 7th, 2011 10:01 AM

Wll considering all the Maturity talk, I thought it was fun + mature. Oh well...

I still there might be a three some. Why else travel with two random trainers you just met?

I'm still for Love x Peace btw, I just removed it from my sig to make space for Meowth.

Theres been talk on serebii about a Iris and Ash tag battle - that would be soo Negai~

CommanderPigg February 7th, 2011 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6442485)
*pets Bouldershipping* Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do~ Traveling with Ash is like being guaranteed someone with love you with him.

;_; Well, many not for poor Tracey. *not that he doesn't have his own ambitions; Elder vs Apprentice, anyone?*

Man, when I watched their farewell scene in the dub, I was so excited when their hands lingered for just a bit longer after their handshake...I was about to put my arms up in jubilation, but I bent back a finger in the process...ouch >_>

I'm more of an Orangeshipper myself :B Misty's gotta be keeping her desires in check somehow.

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Before G-Gundam was shown on Cartoon Network, there was a small community of people (women?) dedicated to it. Purists in any sense of the word. To them, if you didn't 'ship the main couples, you were a target for criticism. If 'shipped gay, you GTFO. If you 'shipped Domon/Allenby, you GTFO. If you 'shipped ANYTHING that wasn't the four main couples (and Chibodee/one of his four girls) you were told you weren't a fan of the show, because you didn't appreciate "the creator's vision." And they dominated the FFN section at the time.
Ew, that sounds awful! Not just because it's blatantly homophobic, it's just so suffocating with such limited shipping selections. The fewer ships there are, the more divided the fandom is. Unless of course, there's only one ship XD

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It's could because at this stage, the solo 'shippers (as opposed to multies) are spreading themselves thinner with each new girl who shows up. People have started watching in DP and some still find themselves preferring the older companions, once they revisit the episodes they've missed. There are those not jumping 'ship.
Okay, don't hate me for this, but I've also noticed a pattern in "shipping groups" and I've come to the conclusion that these groups are made for the sole purpose of driving everyone but Misty away from Ash. How many people do you know ship all of these?

*Pokeshipping
*Contestshipping
*Penguin/Ikarishipping
*Wishfulshipping

They tend to avoid "jumping ship" by doing this...

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Proof it's taboo in Japan to show ickle gay to a young audience, or your equation means nothing because it's based on the wrong logic.

And still not seeing how you jump from "(N=M) + (N=/= M) = (N > M)". That N's greater than M looks more pulled out the butt, simply on the standing of the taboo logic, which is flawed.
Well said :')

And anyways...
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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6442649)

There a flaw in your equation - Another possibility:
  • Probability of NegaiShipping = 0%
  • Probability of CafeMochaShipping = 0%
  • Probability of a threesome with no strings attached = 100%

^This. BW is actually the only group I think that is capable of pulling this off. They're all so cute <3

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I bet you Dento will have a tag battle with Ash first! *runs*

Frostik February 7th, 2011 6:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CommanderPigg (Post 6443252)
Man, when I watched their farewell scene in the dub, I was so excited when their hands lingered for just a bit longer after their handshake...I was about to put my arms up in jubilation, but I bent back a finger in the process...ouch >_>

I'm more of an Orangeshipper myself :B Misty's gotta be keeping her desires in check somehow.

=O I will have to watch this episode at some point. *is on-off when it comes to the anime* Their hands also lingered some back when they were splitting up in Hoenn/Kanto. *______* It was hand over hand, and Brock's was right over Ash's. And there was lingering.

I'm an accidental Neglectshipper. I didn't find any recurring character that I thought had enough chemistry with her personally impressive. ...I used to be a Todd/Misty shipper, though. I had to keep her clear of Ash for--at the time--Gary.

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Okay, don't hate me for this, but I've also noticed a pattern in "shipping groups" and I've come to the conclusion that these groups are made for the sole purpose of driving everyone but Misty away from Ash. How many people do you know ship all of these?

*Pokeshipping
*Contestshipping
*Penguin/Ikarishipping
*Wishfulshipping
Which is natural. Ash certainly has more prospects than Misty, and all of Misty's prospects simply aren't threatening enough (Rudy, Danny, Georgio, Tracey) due to plot or divergence (Tracey's been shoved to Daisy and Oak enough that he can also be a Pair the Spare without bending canon backwards).

If you can't multi-ship characters, the next best thing it to clear the road. If it takes a lawnmower, they'll do it.

RubyJB88 February 7th, 2011 7:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6442004)
Immature audiences "can't handle homosexuality" because their parents won't want to deal with having to explain it. Bottom line. If kids are fully equipped to handle the straight, they can certainly handle the gay. It's social stigma that says otherwise.

Advanceshippers have more to fear from Contestshipping than Pokeshipping, honestly. Pearl only has two, really: Penguin and HeatTag. If Conway hadn't been introduced after Kenny, I'd be damn convinced they were trying to make him a love interest....which would have been fascinating. A regular trainer who only interacts with the coordinator in non-Contest situations? It certainly would have been different from May and Drew's subplot. I might have even come to love it!

If you draw enough comparisons to the series itself, a lot of Negaishippers are going to say the relationship between Iris and Ash is a reboot of the one Misty and Ash had.

That said, we don't have a good handle on any of the three Unova 'ships. We won't know what comparisons to really draw until maybe another half year from now.

Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do~

So being this of the time that FFN was /the/ place to go for fics, naturally, I went there to see if I could find anything. I wasn't surprised to find so little, but I was shocked at the lack of acceptance by the fandom BFNs (if you could call them that). Reading reviews for anything different was like an icepick being jabbed in your stomach. It was so closed off.

Explains my upbringing. *eyeroll*

The more they were showing Dawn and Barry together, the more I was beginning to like that ship. I think they had good chemistry together. Beats Kenny anyday.

…except that Iris isn't bossy around Ash nor does she push him around. We haven't seen that 20 episodes in. But this is way early in the game so it could change.

I don't remember if in Sinnoh it was the same deal. It was already circling with Ash, then as new characters started appearing the ships started on them.

Aw, I'm gonna miss that line! Back in the days when Sinnoh started...

On a sidetone, they need to fix-up that site. Looks outdated. More accurate ratings and organization would help.

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Originally Posted by CommanderPigg
Nah, the Dawn ships seem to co-exist in relative harmony...except for some reason Pearl and Penguin during Kenny's last episode >_>

Man, when I watched their farewell scene in the dub, I was so excited when their hands lingered for just a bit longer after their handshake...I was about to put my arms up in jubilation, but I bent back a finger in the process...ouch >_>

Misty's gotta be keeping her desires in check somehow.

Well it was Kenny who screwed himself over and his ship. Maybe he'd have a chance if he kept his mouth shut and had some patience.

lol what, they did that like three times now? Why did this farewell feel so much more pronounced with the handshake than the other two? ;)

That makes Misty sound like a --.

I read AK47's entire post as something from a math textbook. Meaning, I was forced to skim over it. -_- No offense, AK, you're a smart guy.

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Originally Posted by Jorah
I don't think Ash will end up with anyone by the complete end of the whole series. For him to, he'd have to have a huge personality change, and the writers dislike any permanent character development for him, it seems. It's just about him and Pikachu now. All anyone can do is have fun looking at "hints". Ash is going to live a long and full life - as a 10 year old - with his Pikachu, and no one else.~

But once the franchise starts showing signs of weakness (and I predict by 2020) then the writers would be forced to rethink their strategy. I get this feeling with every new series there's this buildup. It will lead to something great that will unify all past adventures and show Ash's transcendence into what he is. Wishful thinking, he grows up in the climax.

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar
Exactly which makes things go a bit too out of hand sometimes when it comes to wanting something to happen the way you want it.

I still remember the Barry obsession over Paul Man I'm already missing DP.

And the moral of this story is don't read those cheesy, fluffy, Mary Sue/Marty Stu, overblown, disproportional, risque stories otherwise it will mind**** you and you won't be able to think straight for a few years. >_<

I will be missing D/P as well. It was a great series. Barry's one those at the top because he was entertaining all the time. Paul was the rival we should've had in Johto. Conway gets an honorable mention. Did I leave anyone else out besides Dawn's rivals?

Azumi February 8th, 2011 7:25 AM

-reappears out of nowhere-

O_O Why the heck is math, of all things, involved? Reminds me so much of my probability math lessons, and I don't really like probability.

Don't know if this is discussed before, I found this ship called FlavescentShipping, and it's between Shooti (Trip is such a retarded name so I'm not calling him that) and Iris, apparently. OnO;;;
And then I saw that Trip's category is "Ships with Trip", aheheee /shot

And for some reason I'm starting to ship Dento/Iris (WishfulShipping) for some reason. *v* Their fanart is so cuteeeee <3

Mew~ February 8th, 2011 7:45 AM

Meh, I bet Cilan is only Metrosexual anyway.

I'm not a big fan of Wishful to be honest Azumi, but I agree they look cute together.

I miss my Ikarishipping... Is anyone else here an Ikari fan? :(

Aloe x Brock would be awsome. Every other girl he likes is always flat chested. xD

Azumi February 8th, 2011 7:53 AM

Now I wonder what AK would think of Cilan/Iris. C:

Well, I was an Ikari fan until I started shipping Shinji/Paul with an OC I have. But I still like IkariShipping.
So yeah, I'm an Ikari fan.

Frostik February 8th, 2011 8:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6444510)
Aloe x Brock would be awsome. Every other girl he likes is always flat chested. xD

*Lucy's flat?* He doesn't touch married women, though, and since the group met the husband first, he would have realized, nope, can't flirt with.

I kind of wonder if he would even find her attractive. I don't think she's /that/ young. Early thirties, I'd want to say. I don't think we've ever had that kind of medium encounter for him before.

AshPikastar February 8th, 2011 9:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RubyJB88 (Post 6443900)
And the moral of this story is don't read those cheesy, fluffy, Mary Sue/Marty Stu, overblown, disproportional, risque stories otherwise it will mind**** you and you won't be able to think straight for a few years. >_<

I will be missing D/P as well. It was a great series. Barry's one those at the top because he was entertaining all the time. Paul was the rival we should've had in Johto. Conway gets an honorable mention. Did I leave anyone else out besides Dawn's rivals?


Oh yeah my friend had read a fanfic before for Megaman and he was disturb. Oh yeah Barry was/Is my favorite character which is why I'm going to miss him. I don't think you missed anyone else although it feels like you did.

I miss Twinleafshipping; Barry and Dawn had a few good moments on there.

Lol Brock x Aloe would actually be funny.

Spinor February 8th, 2011 9:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Regeneration (Post 6442457)
The entire process of the formation of that equation is flawed.

Total number of possibilities = 2

Probability of NegaiShipping = 1/2 = 50%
Probability of CafeMochaShipping = 1/2 = 50%

Now that should satisfy both of you. =D
You may now safely ignore this post.

Have you no mathematical education above Pre-Prealgebraic Arithmetic and probability? o_0

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar (Post 6442464)

AK47: Why you have to put Math into all of this? The equation thing got me confused already XD.

As a man of Mathematics, I see math everywhere. I just barely decided to look at the mathematics of Shipping, which is a lot of interesting mixtures of logic and probability.

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6442485)
Proof it's taboo in Japan to show ickle gay to a young audience, or your equation means nothing because it's based on the wrong logic.

And still not seeing how you jump from "(N=M) + (N=/= M) = (N > M)". That N's greater than M looks more pulled out the butt, simply on the standing of the taboo logic, which is flawed.

Prove it's not a taboo and prove the writers don't consider a global audience, wilst the implications that the writers do consider globaility are the Multicultural aspects of Generation V and $$$$$. Prove otherwise those two points and we'll talk.

You haven't completely proven the flaw in the logic. And I said the only two possibilities are N and M cannot be compared, or N =/= M, depending on the legibility of N < Pe < A < Pk, which both disprove N = M.

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Originally Posted by Regeneration (Post 6442672)

To hell with all this actually. Why are we putting in maths into shipping?

That's a very good question... deal with it XD
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Originally Posted by AshPikastar (Post 6442722)


I know right? I'm already getting a headache from it.

Spheal with it.
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Originally Posted by Tachibana Azumi (Post 6444489)
-reappears out of nowhere-

O_O Why the heck is math, of all things, involved? Reminds me so much of my probability math lessons, and I don't really like probability.

Don't know if this is discussed before, I found this ship called FlavescentShipping, and it's between Shooti (Trip is such a retarded name so I'm not calling him that) and Iris, apparently. OnO;;;
And then I saw that Trip's category is "Ships with Trip", aheheee /shot

And for some reason I'm starting to ship Dento/Iris (WishfulShipping) for some reason. *v* Their fanart is so cuteeeee <3

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>__> Doesn't math make shipping more fun, though?

Doesn't sound convincing....

No

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Originally Posted by Tachibana Azumi (Post 6444521)
Now I wonder what AK would think of Cilan/Iris. C:

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6436966)
Purple and Green mix into a crapish dark color.

There you have it.

Mew~ February 8th, 2011 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6444592)
*Lucy's flat?* He doesn't touch married women, though, and since the group met the husband first, he would have realized, nope, can't flirt with.

I kind of wonder if he would even find her attractive. I don't think she's /that/ young. Early thirties, I'd want to say. I don't think we've ever had that kind of medium encounter for him before.

Heh, consider me proven wrong. (The Lucy bit)
Heck, we should have more Lucy shippings..

Well, i'm sure the Aloe's boobs would be enough for Brock anyway.

/Working on a Cafémocha Vid. ;D

Frostik February 8th, 2011 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6444698)
Well, i'm sure the Aloe's boobs would be enough for Brock anyway.

Hers? Not covered up as they are. Shikimi's breasts, on the other hand...

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar (Post 6444610)
Oh yeah my friend had read a fanfic before for Megaman and he was disturb.

Disturbed by what, exactly?

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6444670)
Prove it's not a taboo and prove the writers don't consider a global audience, wilst the implications that the writers do consider globaility are the Multicultural aspects of Generation V and $$$$$. Prove otherwise those two points and we'll talk.

You haven't completely proven the flaw in the logic. And I said the only two possibilities are N and M cannot be compared, or N =/= M, depending on the legibility of N < Pe < A < Pk, which both disprove N = M.

You're the one you has to prove it to make your equation viable. Otherwise, I can simply go M > N and say, "Because I say so," since it's based on as much assumption as you're putting into your math. Which makes your logic flawed.

You know, just saying. .... B > all, btw. Truth.

AshPikastar February 8th, 2011 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6444670)
As a man of Mathematics, I see math everywhere. I just barely decided to look at the mathematics of Shipping, which is a lot of interesting mixtures of logic and probability.

I never saw Math in shippings terms but now that I do my mind starts spinning. Man Math is every where even in Pokemon.

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Spheal with it.
-hides inside a box-

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>__> Doesn't math make shipping more fun, though?
I guess it does(Only if it's in easy basic math like 2 + 2 .-.)

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6444735)
Disturbed by what, exactly?

Well let's just say according to him it was very disturbing. That was the only detail that he gave me.

ShinyMeowth February 8th, 2011 2:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6444670)
Doesn't math make shipping more fun, though?

Math does not make shipping more fun.






Math makes everything more fun.
Now, about the Negai vs. Cafemocha vs. Wishful debate, I'll go with this:
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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6442649)

  • Probability of a threesome with no strings attached = 100%


Frostik February 8th, 2011 2:38 PM

Yeah, mathematics = y so serious?

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar (Post 6445044)
Well let's just say according to him it was very disturbing. That was the only detail that he gave me.

That's no fun. Disturbing has way too much of a range. Disturbing could be anything from light Bass/Megaman fluff (simply because it's gay) to brutal rape of any character. ...Or genderbending mpreg. Or what I've written: Protoman/gijinka!Tango. It's hardly anything to go by in that fandom (any fandom). No possibility of prodding him for details? Or was it too long ago?

...What? I have other fandoms, too. *doe eyes*

PearlShipper4Life February 8th, 2011 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CommanderPigg (Post 6442015)
Heehee, it even converted a few people ;)

Well Yah it should, I mean even none Yaoi shippers admitted some thing about that sceneXD

Advancedk47 loves Math, that's why math is being used here though it doesn't help the future of ships cuz Pokemon isn't all about romance. Its about a guy and his Pikachu traveling around the world to be a Pokemon master. People ship for the heck of it, but only a few ships have sort of become canon at the end and not even really canon either. Lets look back shall we?

Contestshipping=The most canon thing we will ever see in this series, we don't even know if they ended up together or not.

Orangeshipping=People can argue or not but these two spend the most time together since Ash left them behind.

So there yah go. Oh yah and Oak and Ash's mom, I have no idea what her age is though LOL. So we can go on and on about what ships have 100 % possibilty of being canon, facts are till the series end we won't know. Even than, like some one said Ash could end up alone and just still travel, trying to be a Pokemon master wouldn't that be crazy? I'd actually rather him be an E4 when he's adult but whatever. So yes, Negaishipping has just as much as a chance as happing as CafeMochashipping. I ship both.

CommanderPigg February 8th, 2011 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6444735)
You're the one you has to prove it to make your equation viable. Otherwise, I can simply go M > N and say, "Because I say so," since it's based on as much assumption as you're putting into your math. Which makes your logic flawed.

You know, just saying. .... B > all, btw. Truth.

Actually, P(aul)>All, assuming that Shinji's awesomeness equates to infinity :P

And anyways, there's yet another contradiction in your equation; mainly because of your defining postulate, which you stated:

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6442243)
Let's assume the argument that no or none of these two ships are possible, N=M=0. The only problem is that we never know the chances of a ship actually becoming canon. You are not a writer, and therefore you cannot claim a 0% chance on anything.

And thus, the rest of it should have been null and void; and technically ALL shippings should have an infinitesimal probability (approaching the limit 0, of course :P). And this is because!!:

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Originally Posted by PearlShipper4Life (Post 6445205)
Advancedk47 loves Math, that's why math is being used here though it doesn't help the future of ships cuz Pokemon isn't all about romance. Its about a guy and his Pikachu traveling around the world to be a Pokemon master. People ship for the heck of it, but only a few ships have sort of become canon at the end and not even really canon either. Lets look back shall we?

^^^THIS!

By the way, Pearlshipper4life (can I call you Ashfangirl22, since that's who I know you as best? XD) your post is the one that made the most sense in this entire thread *applauds*

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6444698)

Well, i'm sure the Aloe's boobs would be enough for Brock anyway.

/Working on a Cafémocha Vid. ;D

Forget her boobs! Her hips don't lie, man!

*subscribes*

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6445128)
That's no fun. Disturbing has way too much of a range. Disturbing could be anything from light Bass/Megaman fluff (simply because it's gay) to brutal rape of any character. ...Or genderbending mpreg. Or what I've written: Protoman/gijinka!Tango. It's hardly anything to go by in that fandom (any fandom).

Hetalia fandom: Hair...cumming. Need I say more?
And I swear, on google, I searched "May Pokemon" and I saw PORN of May x Missing no. My childhood was ruined.

AshPikastar February 8th, 2011 6:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6444698)

Well, i'm sure the Aloe's boobs would be enough for Brock anyway.

/Working on a Cafémocha Vid. ;D

-I have missed this quote-

I can defiantly see Brock going after Aloe boobs >.>

-Sweet I shall watch it soon-


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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6445128)
That's no fun. Disturbing has way too much of a range. Disturbing could be anything from light Bass/Megaman fluff (simply because it's gay) to brutal rape of any character. ...Or genderbending mpreg. Or what I've written: Protoman/gijinka!Tango. It's hardly anything to go by in that fandom (any fandom). No possibility of prodding him for details? Or was it too long ago?

...What? I have other fandoms, too. *doe eyes*

-shrug- He didn't tell me much about it but I think it had something to deal with rape or something. He barely gave me much details on that.

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Originally Posted by PearlShipper4Life (Post 6445205)

Pokemon isn't all about romance. Its about a guy and his Pikachu traveling around the world to be a Pokemon master. People ship for the heck of it,

True that. It's all about Ash but making Pokemon shippings makes shipping more interesting.

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Contestshipping=The most canon thing we will ever see in this series, we don't even know if they ended up together or not.
Which gets most Contestshippers wondering if they actually went out or something during their time in Johto. Who knows what they have been doing there.

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I'd actually rather him be an E4 when he's adult but whatever. So yes, Negaishipping has just as much as a chance as happing as CafeMochashipping. I ship both.
He should be a member of the Elite 4 although he'll most likely not. Like in the Battle frontier didn't Brendon offer Ash to be a gym leader or something? Negaishipping would probably have more of a chance then Cafemochashipping since I don't think Ash is gey right?



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Originally Posted by CommanderPigg (Post 6445456)

Hetalia fandom: Hair...cumming. Need I say more?
And I swear, on google, I searched "May Pokemon" and I saw PORN of May x Missing no. My childhood was ruined.

Commanderpigg; what have you been looking up in google? Don't worry my friend was looking up Dawn icons on google and got the samething.

RubyJB88 February 8th, 2011 8:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tachibana Azumi (Post 6444489)
Don't know if this is discussed before, I found this ship called FlavescentShipping, and it's between Shooti (Trip is such a retarded name so I'm not calling him that) and Iris, apparently.

Yes, why is his name Trip? That's as bland as his character.

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar (Post 6444610)
I miss Twinleafshipping; Barry and Dawn had a few good moments on there.

It'd been the ship I would've supported, and not Penguin.

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6444735)
Shikimi's breasts, on the other hand...

XD Hey you forgot Juniper and Fennel. They get no love. XD

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Originally Posted by Pearlshipper4Life (Post 6445205)
So there yah go. Oh yah and Oak and Ash's mom, I have no idea what her age is though LOL.

The anime makes her look below 40. Oak is a lucky man to choose between Delia and Juniper (and in a fanverse where Oak and Juniper had a child, as an adult the son would look like Juniper's dad. XP).

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Originally Posted by CommanderPigg
Hetalia fandom: Hair...cumming. Need I say more?

Um...o_O Ok there's no need to be that explicit on this thread. There's young'uns in here.

Pokeshipper2000 February 9th, 2011 11:47 AM

I would have to LOVE Pokeshipping

PearlShipper4Life February 9th, 2011 12:28 PM

Oh man I forgot about Juniper, oh no's Oaks could be caught in a love triangle for the eldersXD

Of course you can call me Ashfangirl22, CommanderPigg. Though it might confuse some new people here but people on Bulbagarden would get it LOL And Yuotube cuz that's my username there too and thank you.

AshPikaStar I was saying that cuz AdvancedK47 kept using math reasons why some ships had more of a chance of happing. Your right about Contestshipping and that's why I said people ship for fun and don't know if they become canon or not in the end. I'd like to think Ash would become an E4 member at the end of his run LOL Not now of course cuz he's still traveling but maybe after he wins the league??

Azumi February 9th, 2011 2:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvancedK47 (Post 6444670)
>__> Doesn't math make shipping more fun, though?

Doesn't sound convincing....

No

There you have it.

No way

I don't understand why that ship even existed.

Saw that reaction a mile away...

AshPikastar February 9th, 2011 2:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RubyJB88 (Post 6445615)
It'd been the ship I would've supported, and not Penguin.

Twinleafshipping was the main ship I had shipped for DP series besides Cynthia x Palmer


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Oak is a lucky man to choose between Delia and Juniper (and in a fanverse where Oak and Juniper had a child, as an adult the son would look like Juniper's dad. XP).
Professor Oak go with Juniper! She is prettier!

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Originally Posted by Pokeshipper2000 (Post 6446576)
I would have to LOVE Pokeshipping

Lol I can tell because of your username. ^_~


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Originally Posted by PearlShipper4Life (Post 6446655)
I'd like to think Ash would become an E4 member at the end of his run LOL Not now of course cuz he's still traveling but maybe after he wins the league??

Yeah he probably might become a E4 member once his traveling is over although he actually wants to be the champion like Cynthia.

CommanderPigg February 9th, 2011 3:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar (Post 6445491)

I can defiantly see Brock going after Aloe boobs >.>


Aloe is called Lenora in the English version now :P I hope that one day, Brock will get a partner, he's worked hard enough to deserve it ^^

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True that. It's all about Ash but making Pokemon shippings makes shipping more interesting.
LOL, I would think that shipping would make shipping more interesting :P But, yeah, I understand what you're saying. I like how open ended pokemon is; fewer ships are made canon so one is free to multiship and crackship like crazy!

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Which gets most Contestshippers wondering if they actually went out or something during their time in Johto. Who knows what they have been doing there.
Hopefully not traveling with each other! That would make competition super harsh :P But, you know...rivalries are always fun and spicy. Maybe May can save Drew from drowning again XD



[quote]He should be a member of the Elite 4 although he'll most likely not. Like in the Battle frontier didn't Brendon offer Ash to be a gym leader or something? Negaishipping would probably have more of a chance then Cafemochashipping since I don't think Ash is gey right?
Well. actually, Ash was offered to become a frontier brain which is different. It'd be similar to being a gym leader, but he's able to personalize his challenges a lot more. Technically, Ash is 100% asexual...a perfect tabula rosa for endless shipping possibilities ;)



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Commanderpigg; what have you been looking up in google? Don't worry my friend was looking up Dawn icons on google and got the samething.
Funny story with that, actually. One of my friends informed me of what I might see if I turned off the safe search on google image search. I shouldn't have been so curious ;_;

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Originally Posted by RubyJB88 (Post 6445615)
Yes, why is his name Trip? That's as bland as his character.

I'm not too angry with it. If you think about it, Shooti is a pretty silly name too. It's probably because of the word tripod. :D

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The anime makes her look below 40. Oak is a lucky man to choose between Delia and Juniper (and in a fanverse where Oak and Juniper had a child, as an adult the son would look like Juniper's dad. XP).
Does anyone support Agatha x Oak? I mean, there are hints in the game, when Agatha claimed that Oak had been a lot more powerful in the past...and they are around the same age. I think that Agatha would have been hot in her prime :P Both of them became really famous in the pokemon world, they might have been rivals or friends when they were young. History makes a shipping interesting ^^

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Um...o_O Ok there's no need to be that explicit on this thread. There's young'uns in here.
Apologies, I won't do it again! But yeah...I'm a bit glad I escaped from that fandom ^^;

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Of course you can call me Ashfangirl22, CommanderPigg. Though it might confuse some new people here but people on Bulbagarden would get it LOL And Yuotube cuz that's my username there too and thank you.
Thanks! I just keep accidentally typing in that name instead the one you have on this site XD

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar (Post 6446966)

Yeah he probably might become a E4 member once his traveling is over although he actually wants to be the champion like Cynthia.

Ash needs to fight in a Championship league like burning. I would absolutely love a battle between Sinnoh's Champion and Kanto's champion in a possible time skip episode in the future. (Paul vs Ash, in case you didn't catch that ;D)

AshPikastar February 9th, 2011 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CommanderPigg (Post 6447025)
Aloe is called Lenora in the English version now :P I hope that one day, Brock will get a partner, he's worked hard enough to deserve it ^^

Erg; Lenora sounds strange. I like Aloe better(Although I like most of the Jap names better). Who knows he might actually find a Nurse Joy that'll actually like him since he is now training to become a doctor.

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LOL, I would think that shipping would make shipping more interesting :P But, yeah, I understand what you're saying. I like how open ended pokemon is; fewer ships are made canon so one is free to multiship and crackship like crazy!
What's more fun with making crack and multishippings? ^_~

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Hopefully not traveling with each other! That would make competition super harsh :P But, you know...rivalries are always fun and spicy. Maybe May can save Drew from drowning again XD
Rivals traveling with each other and soon finding out they love each other would make the contest battles go nuts. At least they can put out all of their anger during the contest battles instead of face to face.


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Well. actually, Ash was offered to become a frontier brain which is different. It'd be similar to being a gym leader, but he's able to personalize his challenges a lot more. Technically, Ash is 100% asexual...a perfect tabula rosa for endless shipping possibilities ;)
-Just noticed I made a huge fail in my post- I got mixed up(Although I haven't watched the episode for a while) So he was being offered to become a frontier brain. (Oh come on Ash it would have been awesome to see you as a frontier brain and how your life was like as one. Or you could of at least taken a tutorial of it) Drats he is 100% asexual.

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Funny story with that, actually. One of my friends informed me of what I might see if I turned off the safe search on google image search. I shouldn't have been so curious ;_;
I would have probably done the same thing if it was me. I'm usually curious about a few things sometimes.


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I'm not too angry with it. If you think about it, Shooti is a pretty silly name too. It's probably because of the word tripod. :D
I wasn't suspecting them to change Shooti name but Trip? -I'll get use to these English names soon-

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Does anyone support Agatha x Oak? I mean, there are hints in the game, when Agatha claimed that Oak had been a lot more powerful in the past...and they are around the same age. I think that Agatha would have been hot in her prime :P Both of them became really famous in the pokemon world, they might have been rivals or friends when they were young. History makes a shipping interesting ^^
Don't kill me but who is Agatha again? Names usually don't click with me that well.

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Ash needs to fight in a Championship league like burning. I would absolutely love a battle between Sinnoh's Champion and Kanto's champion in a possible time skip episode in the future. (Paul vs Ash, in case you didn't catch that ;D)
Regardless if he lost the Sinnoh league he should have went up against Cynthia. Cynthia x Ash : P

RubyJB88 February 9th, 2011 8:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PearlShipper4Life
I'd like to think Ash would become an E4 member at the end of his run LOL Not now of course cuz he's still traveling but maybe after he wins the league??

Nah, Ash is going higher than an Elite Four, either become Champion or Frontier Brain. Because "Pokemon master" translates to "the show is never ending so Ash doesn't have a real goal yet".

Lenora is a good name. Stinks there isn't enough fanart of her.

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Originally Posted by CommanderPigg
fewer ships are made canon so one is free to multiship and crackship like crazy!

If you think about it, Shooti is a pretty silly name too. It's probably because of the word tripod.

Does anyone support Agatha x Oak? I mean, there are hints in the game, when Agatha claimed that Oak had been a lot more powerful in the past...and they are around the same age. I think that Agatha would have been hot in her prime Both of them became really famous in the pokemon world, they might have been rivals or friends when they were young. History makes a shipping interesting ^^

I would absolutely love a battle between Sinnoh's Champion and Kanto's champion in a possible time skip episode in the future. (Paul vs Ash, in case you didn't catch that ;D)

The problem with open-endedness in an anime like this is that it gets frustrating for us old guys who like seeing legitimate shippings work out.

Well I miss Shooti because there goes all my Halo references. :/ Aah now why didn't I think of that? Tripod. Har har. He's no Paul that's for sure.

Yes, I would too. But Oak finds Agatha boring when he's got Ash's mom next door and then a younger professor.

If they ever become champions...

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar
Don't kill me but who is Agatha again? Names usually don't click with me that well.

Part of the Kanto Elite Four. Has Ghost-types as her specialty.

Mew~ February 10th, 2011 12:12 AM

That reminds me;

Agatha x Bertha? Two old ladys from the elite four. Perfect match - I bet they've met already.

I would also like Paul and Trip to hit it off. xD

RubyJB88 February 10th, 2011 7:58 PM

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Agatha x Bertha? Two old ladys from the elite four. Perfect match - I bet they've met already.
I wonder if those two are related. That'd be pretty cool.

AshPikastar February 11th, 2011 4:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RubyJB88 (Post 6447406)

Part of the Kanto Elite Four. Has Ghost-types as her specialty.

That'll explain why I didn't recognize her. I need to re-watch the old series of Pokemon. I don't remember much from Kanto.

Frostik February 11th, 2011 6:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar (Post 6449540)


That'll explain why I didn't recognize her. I need to re-watch the old series of Pokemon. I don't remember much from Kanto.

She wasn't in old!Kanto. Her only anime appearance was between Hoenn and Kanto, before Ash set out to the Battle Frontier. He fought her in Viridian.

rlyn99 February 11th, 2011 6:33 AM

how bout brock x mudkip?
they look so cute together
brock obama + mudkipz
you liek?

Mew~ February 11th, 2011 8:09 AM

Well his Mudkip's now:
Spoiler:
evolved, so now a marshtomp - but yeah, cute. :3

AshPikastar February 14th, 2011 10:34 AM

This place hasn't been touched lately.

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Originally Posted by Frostik (Post 6449673)
She wasn't in old!Kanto. Her only anime appearance was between Hoenn and Kanto, before Ash set out to the Battle Frontier. He fought her in Viridian.

Oh I need to re-watch both(Although I'm re-watching Hoenn)

Brock x Mudkip; I was thinking more of Ruby x Mudkip in the Manga more. Does anyone support Pikachu x Ash?

Mew~ February 14th, 2011 11:06 AM

Heh, how about Ash x Agatha then? xD

The poll is up by the way, vote:
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=242428

AshPikastar February 14th, 2011 2:00 PM

Oh now I remember who she is. I saw the battle that Ash did against her. -finally I remember by looking her up sadly-

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6456082)


I already made my vote. I posted my banner on my blog since I didn't make it on time.

CommanderPigg February 14th, 2011 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AshPikastar (Post 6456017)
This place hasn't been touched lately.



Ironic, since it's the day of amour, isn't it? XD

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Brock x Mudkip; I was thinking more of Ruby x Mudkip in the Manga more. Does anyone support Pikachu x Ash?
Ruby x Feebas is cuter. Heck, I cried during that scene in the manga (you know which one...).

I would like Pikachu x Ash a lot more, but unfortunately, I'm reminded of a certain fan who was severely anti-coma and anti-poke who wrote...questionable fanfiction...of the NC-17 type with this pairing.

Childhood=ruined.

But, that's an interesting topic. What's your favorite Pokemon x Human ship?

I'm partial to Paul x Chimchar, because I'm a sick little being and I like abusive relationships :P And...come on, we all know that Paul is the reason he got that strong in the first place. Chimchar had something to prove to him.

I wouldn't mind if Infernape were a girl.

Mysteryeggshipping is also cute...I wish it stayed an egg for a bit longer...the suspense and the caring in that relationship should be the basis for epic romance novels~

AshPikastar February 14th, 2011 7:12 PM

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Ironic, since it's the day of amour, isn't it? XD

Irk? It's Valentines day; this place should be packed with shipping debates.

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Ruby x Feebas is cuter. Heck, I cried during that scene in the manga (you know which one...).
Oh yeah that part made me cry a bit too. Ruby x Feebas for the win.

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I would like Pikachu x Ash a lot more, but unfortunately, I'm reminded of a certain fan who was severely anti-coma and anti-poke who wrote...questionable fanfiction...of the NC-17 type with this pairing.

Childhood=ruined.
Oh the joy of fanfics. I see a couple of Pikachu x Ash on Youtube. My friend makes videos on those too all the time.

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But, that's an interesting topic. What's your favorite Pokemon x Human ship?

I'm partial to Paul x Chimchar, because I'm a sick little being and I like abusive relationships :P And...come on, we all know that Paul is the reason he got that strong in the first place. Chimchar had something to prove to him.
I can see where your going with Paul x Chimchar. They always seem to have a nice relationship with each other and of course Chimchar wanting to prove to Paul that he is a strong Pokemon. I also thought of Gliscor x Ash. Gliscor is always flying into him and is always licking him. Ash x Gible is another one; do I need to explain this?

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I wouldn't mind if Infernape were a girl.
That would actually be interesting if his Infernape was a girl.

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Mysteryeggshipping is also cute...I wish it stayed an egg for a bit longer...the suspense and the caring in that relationship should be the basis for epic romance novels~
Mysteryeggshipping discussion again I see. Ash really loved his egg when he had it.

Regeneration February 15th, 2011 1:24 AM

You can be assured that whenever someone mentions MysteryEggShipping, I would pop in here. =D

What's your favorite Pokemon x Human ship?
Ash x Bayleaf all hands down!

AshPikastar February 17th, 2011 4:01 PM

-makes this thread active again-

So the new Pokemon episode came out and it looks like we might be seeing Cabernet again so we got two new couples; Cabernet x Ash and Cabernet x Dento.

Aquacorde February 17th, 2011 5:24 PM

NEITHER! CAFEMOCHA WILL REIGN SUPREME!

/input is not constructive

Spinor February 17th, 2011 6:02 PM

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NEITHER! CAFEMOCHA WILL REIGN SUPREME!

/input is not constructive

Yes, your input is not constructive at all.

Oh, and I have just added a new ship to my list. Take a wild guess before clicking:

Spoiler:
FerrisWheelShipping

I figured I'm already a hardcore fanboy of a girl who's probably ten, and that's pretty paedo. So I thought: "Why not ship something paedo?" Yes, this means I thought Dawn x Cyrus was a Paedo of its own league.

Aquacorde February 17th, 2011 6:06 PM

I suppose you'll be joining that fanclub over in Pokemon Groups, then?

I don't actually mind FerrisWheelShipping... but I think I like Black x N more. Just because of one comic.


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