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I'm going to move this to the shipping thread.
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Nooooope.
They have only conversed for a grand total of 1-2 minutes. Paul doesn't even recognize her when she tried to stop Ash and Paul from fighting (okay, so they have only met once, but him being Ash's rival he SHOULD be able to recognize the person standing right beside Ash). And the second time they had interaction the conversation was all about Ash. And Reggie, too, I think. Honestly, I see Ash and Paul becoming a couple more xD no i do not ship them |
Hello again! ^^
Dawn and Paul was cool for a bit, I liked the part during the Sinnoh League championship where she had that little scene with Paul. I did like their interesting dynamic throughout the series though. Paul didn't lash out at her as he did to Ash. |
I agree with Tachibana. Paul doesn't seem to care about her at all or show much that he recognized her. The two in a relationship wouldn't turn out that great. I can see Dawn going with Barry though since it seemed that Barry did care for Dawn and would help her out if he needs to.
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You've upset a massive Ikarishipper. >: Dawn and Paul together work perfectly. Like butter and bread. All your arguments are invalid.
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I can see Ash and Dawn together. If you have watched DP saga you know what I mean. Dawn flirted with Ash and she really cared about Ash unlike Misty and May. Ash and Dawn have so many similitaries and they are meant to eachothers. Besides I'm PearlShipping fan.
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Given how he does handle her a million episodes later, he doesn't have an ego to those he isn't in conflict with, but he's also not making an effort to /talk/ to her; he's talking /at/ her, about Ash. If anything, it's Dawn who's trying to soothe the savage beast, but I don't think she's doing it because she like-likes him, but because they're all in the same boat (as it were). ...But then again, I'm a Brock/Paul 'shipper, and I'm bias to say that's the healthiest Paul 'ship out of the twerps. <3 At least there's a twinge of respect there, unlike the other two. *two points of interaction WHYYYYYYYYYY* |
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Ash took 190 episodes to respect. XD;; Brock did it in, like, 50. Though I'm not kidding myself; it's definitely because Brock was older, and Paul respects those who are older (their wisdom is a matter of debate; oh Reggie, lil bro won't throw you a bone because you derped up). |
Happy New Year everyone!
Ah, it makes me happy that we're discussing old shippings. I don't know how but I feel jaded just looking at the recent shippings. Dawn and Paul may have not had any scenes together, but I did like what we did get throughout the season. |
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Surprisingly, its a wonder this thread even stays open with all the topics that are oh so prone to bickering :/ But, that just shows how well-behaved the PokéCommunity can be ;) EDIT: Quote:
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Where are your sources, because there are so many down-right stunning fanart of so many couples, and I could probably go find some not-that-pretty works of Advanceshipping with ease (nice of you to name two J!artists as your saviors). So, yeah, that's not a strong point. That's a 'shipper's ego. Sure, I can say it's pretty, but I've seen artwork much better than Suzu's. So, no. This is serious eye-of-the-beholder territory, since it's certainly no way to claim it is "top." You're right it's controversial, because no one could back this claim up successfully, without proof. Of which there is nothing definitive to provide. |
I actually see much better art of the game characters than any of the anime characters
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Aand I'm just saying that I'm amused Ash/Iris isn't a major ship. I don't think I've seen so many people around avidly shipping it as the previous girl in the group. |
Does anyone remember me? XD My anti-ikarishipping senses were tingling :3
But to answer the previous question, I don't really think that they could have gotten together after DP due to the stark lack of shared interests or similar beliefs. I doubt that Paul would be even slightly willing to help another achieve their goals considering he has a pretty distinct one himself. Plus, he didn't even bat an eye at being flashed right in the face as she was steaming, kicking and screaming... I will, however, bend enough to say that I can easily see it being one-sided, on Dawn's part, since, because she had been surrounded by such nice boys/girls all her life might want to go for that bad boy meat. Pardon my language. Even though Paul had never shown interest in Dawn, Dawn is very willing to push herself to be noticed by Paul. From being the first one to notice his arrival in many instances, to scolding him when it didn't pertain to her, to stalking him and forcing a very awkward and Ash-centric conversation. A mere showing of acceptance and curiosity, or ravaging fangirl hunger? We'll never know. With the advanceshipping argument presented, I call bull on the fanart and love-hate relationship claims. There is no evidence that Advanceshipping has "better fanart" (since that's extremely subjective and I can argue that originalshipping probably has the best *cough*) nor does that mean that better fanart correlates to a better ship. If both of the people being shipped are pretty/hot, then it's easier to make cute fanart and stuff. That simple. And if love-hate relationships don't work out, then there goes like half of the shipping fandom, and more then half of the real life relationships in the world. Couples can arise from the strangest relationships, trust me. And yeah, it kinda perplexes me as to why Ash/Iris isn't more popular. I even supported it a bit when the series started, which is strange, because I never support Ash/main girl. I think it's because wishfulshipping is too popular and Ash has a lot of other options at this point XD AAAAANNND, I wall-posted XD Happy late new year, everyone! |
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Also, I don't see any "compelling evidence" on your side of the field either, so who can't back it up now? :| This is a quote from the popular head moderator of the Shippers' Paradise forum at Bulbagarden, a quote outlining from a super moderator's point of view what shipping truly is; take this in advice if you ever feel like combatting a 'ship without another ship to fight with ;) Spoiler:
So, what are we talking about here? Shipping, that's right. :) I don't think Luna could've said it better. EDIT: Quote:
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Also, I know this for a fact, it only takes a few people to make a shipping grow. Some of my friends have influenced really good artists into liking their shipping, thus drawing fanart for that shipping, thus enlarging the fanbase. So, I agree with you that fanart is an effective converting tool, but it does not make any shipping better than the other, just perhaps more popular (in fact, I can attribute much of Ikarishipping's popularity to the amvs on Youtube). As for advanceshipping being very populous, I'd say that that's a bit of an archaic claim...perhaps in the AG era, it most certainly would have been, but on more recent japanese art sites like pixiv, I conducted a quick search of popular Ash pairings: SatoHaru (Advance): 73 SatoKasu (Poke): 232 SatoHika (Pearl): 181 SatoAi (Iris is romanized as "Airisu"; Negai): 104 SatoShige (Pallet): 358 I know that not everyone uses the shipping tag in their fanart, but this is just a bit of an idea of how the demographic is more or less spread out. |
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I also don't understand what throwing PDplus's website at me does. Again, cute art, but I've seen equal quality. ALSO don't get what someone else's words have to do with it. It sounds more like you're trying to justify your claims. o.O Because I 'ship a lot of things. And I'm not a passionate 'shipper. If you were to go through all my posts here, you wouldn't find much fanning. I'm also not striking out at you; I just think you're saying something you can't back up. I mean, I hate Pokeshipping with a passively raging passion, but good art is good art, even when you hate it. And I've seen some damn nice Pokeshipping art. If non-Advanceshippers are saying there are some good Advanceshipping art, then why isn't it the same thing? Good art is good art, regardless what the subject matter is. Would you even acknowledge if ANY non-Advanceshipping art was good? Soooo, yeah, it kinda sounds like you're making it all up to suit yourself and your aim. Do you want me to provide pics that are of the same quality or even better than what you're showing off, because anyone here could go to Pixiv or Deviantart and do that. Want me to go find really bad art, while I'm at it? That's child's play. But I think you need to provide the proof for the more over-the-top claim, because I'm sure most people here would believe (and know to exist) that bad Advanceshipping art exists and awesome-and-superior non-Advanceshipping art also exists. I don't have to prove much, because it's simply fact that there is OMG MY HEART IS EXPLODING art and eww-who-used-Paint? art. You're the one claiming Advanceshipping art is the most popular because reasons. So, again: Where do non-Advanceshippers say that Advanceshipping art is "top"? Where is this Pokemon shipping fanart authority, especially in a fandom this big with so many mainstream couples? ...They are Pokemon 'shippers, right? Because that's twisting the truth if these people aren't even 'shippers in the fandom. |
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Here's the article that was taken from~ Also, don't tell me that what I quoted was a "personal point of view", as you know good and well that they're referring to the hints contained later in the article. *facepalm* Yes, I think that's something compelling, at least; don't tell me SatoHaru isn't major. Moving on. Here's some not-so-good AdvanceShipping art, with some also not-so-good PokéShipping art, ContestShipping art, and PearlShipping art. AdvanceShipping http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc447/AlexTheRose/th_AdvanceshippingHugByMegaTravis.jpg PokéShipping http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc447/AlexTheRose/th_Pokeshipping_by_PrincessDaisyxox.jpg ContestShipping http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc447/AlexTheRose/th_Contestshipping_by_Breezetail.jpg PearlShipping http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc447/AlexTheRose/th_Pearlshipping___Hug_by_Endless_Summer181.jpg Now, here's some kick-ass AdvanceShipping art, along with some kick-ass PokéShipping art, kick-ass ContestShipping art, and kick-ass PearlShipping art. Fire away!~ AdvanceShipping http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc447/AlexTheRose/th_CameraDuoPose.jpg PokéShipping http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc447/AlexTheRose/th_KickAssPokeShipping.jpg ContestShipping http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc447/AlexTheRose/th_KickAssContestShipping.png PearlShipping http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc447/AlexTheRose/th_KickAssPearlShipping.png Now, who's biased again? :| But, the thing is, you're able to dish it out, but can you take it? I'm not talking meager little numbered lists, folks. I'm talking citations, external references, quotes with link-backs, etc. So, I'd like some actual-factual proof to back up what you're defending, if you'd please. |
*stretches* Okay, I really hope you understand this whole shipping business more when you're older, kid, but for now, I'll humor you :P
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Photoshop's bitdepth meter doesn't determine the emotional appeal of a picture. It doesn't determine how many favorites or views a piece of fanart gets. That's up to the people viewing it. I'm certain you know what subjective means, right? It means that the views are based on opinion. Every person has their own view on what's good and what's not. This is true in art AND in pairing preference. And arceus almighty, in what world is a Bulbagarden Shipping article a viable source for anything other than episode references?? This is a USER-DEFINED space, meaning ANYONE can edit it. Guess who's most likely going to edit an advanceshipping article? JUST GUESS. And another thing, I don't believe any of us denied the popularity of Advanceshipping. It's very evident in the english speaking fandom that it is, look at all the forum posts, fanart, amvs, and fanfics out there dedicated to it. Of course it's popular. But what it seems like you're trying to say is that popularity and fan material dictates the validity of the pairing, and that's simply NOT TRUE. Case in point: Zutara (Zuko x Katara) in Avatar. It has an ENORMOUS fanbase. A deviantart search lists over 39 THOUSAND entries (of varying quality, of course). Kataang (Aang x Katara) on the other hand, has less than half of that. Guess which pairing became canon and which didn't? Guess which one had direct hints (actual confessions) and which ones had meta hints? Spoiler:
I'm not even really sure what you're arguing for anymore, but I will say this. Good fanart in a fandom does not make the pairing better. It simply DOESN'T. It just means that your pairing was lucky enough to have good artists drawing fanart for it. In fact, you can never seriously say that a pairing is better than another because there are so many layers of subjectivity laced in that statement. In short, they're all opinion based. OPINIONS. TOLERANCE. That's what makes the shipping world go round and round. and with that, I'll share some completely unrelated fanart because I want to XP Spoiler:
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For instance- Good: I think that Comashipping is more possible than Palletshipping because Gary and Ash are too "bro-zoned" to ever think of getting in a romantic relationship with each other. They're better as friends. Bad: Palletshipping is better than Comashipping because we have a longer fandom history, more fans, and an awesome bulbagarden article!! (all of which may be true, but never good enough to prove a shipping "better." nothing is) Of course, joking that one's ship is the best evar is okay, since, well, we all think that about our ships, right? XD CAFEMOCHA AND COMA 4EVAHS EDIT: Also, I hate it when people use the retort "It's just a video game/anime/manga, it doesn't exist, blah blah" because of course we know this to be true. But if we were to just accept that as the answer to everything, then there'd be no fun to discussing pokemon at all! Discussing fictional things is completely rational considering we have the basic skeleton for the "physics" of our theories. |
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You say that saying that it's all fake/doesn't exist is negative towards fiction, but the whole point that it's fantasy is what makes it so great. I don't think it doesn't exist, as I know it exists all in our minds, and that's still existing if you look at it a certain way ;) |
Hello. I am here to say hello into the shipping debates.
First, I am a PokéShipper. I enjoy it and it has lots of fanfiction, being a popular Ash ship along with Advance and Pearl, so yay. But I prefer Poké over all. So do not hate me for that reason, okay? Next, I am also Ikari. Yes, Dawn and Paul is not to end up and most likely to be PenguinShipping, but Ikari is interesting and besides, opposites attract. So...yeah. Last, I also am a WishfulShipper. Now, it has several hints. For example, I read in Bulbapedia that Iris does stuff that invloves Cilan, like saying that she would travel with Cilan, trusts him more, and for some reason, hides near his body. I slightly support CS, but I don't really have any May ships I support. |
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