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klrulez December 5th, 2004 5:57 AM

Fire Blast or Overheat?
 
Self-explanatory - which is the better? Note that STAB damage is applicable as I intend to teach one to a fire Pokemon.

Shuckle December 5th, 2004 6:04 AM

Depends. On a physical sweeping fire type, Overheat. On just a regular fire mon, I'd go FT over FB. On a nonSTAB special sweeper, FB.

GYM LEADDER A December 5th, 2004 6:07 AM

that depends who is the pokemon.

Composer of Requiems December 5th, 2004 6:10 AM

Overheat is a really nice move, but it mostly can only be used once, since the special drops, so it may not be worth it anymore.

klrulez December 5th, 2004 6:28 AM

I'm thinking along the lines of Charizard

Shuckle December 5th, 2004 6:31 AM

SAY WHAT!?!?!

Charizard. I like.

Drumzard @ Salac
252 AT / 252 SD / 6 SP
Adamant Nature
-Overheat
-Drum
-Rock Slide
-Return/Earthquake

GYM LEADDER A December 5th, 2004 9:42 AM

try heat wave it's a good atack

Mana Lugia December 5th, 2004 9:53 AM

....................... Not it's not.

Shuckle December 5th, 2004 10:05 AM

Not even in 2 v 2. Or RS, or GSC, or FRLG, or even RBY. =P

Spike Razzor December 5th, 2004 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuckle
SAY WHAT!?!?!

Charizard. I like.

Drumzard @ Salac
252 AT / 252 SD / 6 SP
Adamant Nature
-Overheat
-Drum
-Rock Slide
-Return/Earthquake

The least used Zard, for good reason too =(. I mean, who can actually just Belly Drum out in the open? You Drum, Dactyl or Jolteon OHKO's you, Crobat confuses you, you smack yourself and faint...

Mana Lugia December 5th, 2004 10:18 AM

I don't like drum without sub. Else, I'd go with Swords dance. And never dragon dance, since if I wanted a dancer, I'd go with a dragon to begin with.

Shuckle December 5th, 2004 10:19 AM

Its least used because many do not know when or how to use it. =/

That one play against a special mon, water if the sunlights out, and then you Drum, they hit, preferably taking you to the Salac Zone, then feel free to sweep.

Spike Razzor December 5th, 2004 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuckle
Its least used because many do not know when or how to use it. =/

That one play against a special mon, water if the sunlights out, and then you Drum, they hit, preferably taking you to the Salac Zone, then feel free to sweep.

*Laughs* with that kind of Defence you will faint for sure xD! 196 and 206 is nothing to any Pokemon that has decent Atk/Sp.Atk.

Shuckle December 5th, 2004 10:31 AM

notice the SUN factor, which halves water attacks. than the special defense on my zard is around high 260's. it works. I have done it before.

Spike Razzor December 5th, 2004 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuckle
notice the SUN factor, which halves water attacks. than the special defense on my zard is around high 260's. it works. I have done it before.

When did I say Water Pokemon would attack you? And with no Speed, your done. Salac kicks in and your still slower than Jolteon =D! Dactly is still all over you even after +Speed and +Attack =D!

Shuckle December 5th, 2004 10:39 AM

Generally I do not throw Zard into play at random times. It is generally better to time your moves and actions at good times, instead of acting recklessly with certain pokemon.

Spike Razzor December 5th, 2004 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuckle
Generally I do not throw Zard into play at random times. It is generally better to time your moves and actions at good times, instead of acting recklessly with certain pokemon.

I'm not saying you done have common sence etc. Its just that I see the battle going like this.

Shuckle sends out Charizard
Spike sends out Breloom.

Charizard uses Belly Drum.
Spike sends out Aerodactyl.

Shuckle: Dammit!
Spike: w00t!

Shuckle December 5th, 2004 10:46 AM

I generally dont run into Aero's that much, and when they do they anhialate my entire team because its grass and fire. Now on other teams that zard may be on, there are generally aero counters, and they generally include water types, and what? they switch to jolt? just use swampert.

Mana Lugia December 5th, 2004 11:04 AM

actually I think drumming against Breloom is very dangerous. Spore = gg.

Also, as long as Zard has at least say, 270 speed, it outspeeds Jolt/Aero after salac anyhow :o

Spike Razzor December 5th, 2004 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mana Lugia
actually I think drumming against Breloom is very dangerous. Spore = gg.

Also, as long as Zard has at least say, 270 speed, it outspeeds Jolt/Aero after salac anyhow :o

Not if it has no Speed Ev's =\...

Drumzard @ Salac
252 AT / 252 SD / 6 SP
Adamant Nature
-Overheat
-Drum
-Rock Slide
-Return/Earthquake

Mana Lugia December 5th, 2004 12:42 PM

touché on the speed EVs.................

Porygon December 5th, 2004 1:07 PM

Anyway… it's best to use FT. More PP and accuracy than FB, with a minor AP sacrifice. OH=bad, unless you can somehow get a Fire-type with Haze that has decent SA stats. Otherwise, ya have to switch it pretty much right away.

Mana Lugia December 5th, 2004 2:49 PM

Flamethrower is for things that don't die in 2 hits :)

Kholdstaire December 5th, 2004 3:59 PM

Overheat goes on Fire Types that attack physically more, or on non-Fire types that want to OHKO things weak to Fire (Primeape, for example, uses Overheat to whipe out Skarmory =0)

Fire Blast>Flamethrower on Fire Types that are basically hit and run. Having 85% accuracy, it is higher than Hydro Pump, Thunder, and Blizzard, therefore making it the better of the 120 power attacks (Solar Beam has 100% but it takes two turns, so meh). It also has 10% chance to Burn, so thats always a nice bonus. Fire Blast goes on monsters with high Special Attack and can die easily.

Flamethrower goes on Fire Types that don't have massive Special Attack, but can last battles longer.

Heat Wave (on the monsters that can use it) is my favorite move, because it has good accuracy like Flamethrower, has 5 more base power, and has 20% chance to Burn, which is higher than all other Fire moves, other than Sacred Fire (50% wtf).

So, basically, DrumZard should get Blast or Overheat. Flareon should get Overheat. Entei should get Flamethrower. Houndoom should get Blast. Special Attack Charizard should get Heat Wave. Reversal Blaziken should get Heat Wave. Typhlosion should get Fire Blast. There are others, but yeah.

Shuckle December 6th, 2004 1:07 PM

omg Khold your speach was enlightening. I now do now look down upon HeatWave.


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