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Livewire February 4th, 2011 11:24 PM

Team Plasma's Scheme?
 

Team Plasma's Scheme?



What are your opinions regarding team Plasma's plot, specifically (Geechizu and N's) plans to free Pokemon from the dominion of humans? Did they have good intentions, by freeing the Pokemon, or is their plan made with selfish reasoning? How would you rank them with previous villainous teams?

Discuss.

MrsNorrington February 4th, 2011 11:27 PM

Team Plasma and N have good intentions. Especially N, he's compassionate and closely bonded and befriended to all Pokemon. He cares and loves them deeply and that is his motivation.

Geechisu however does not have good intentions, he is evil and corrupt.

PlatinumDude February 5th, 2011 2:38 AM

It's mostly selfish because not all people have bad intentions with Pokemon, like Geechisu. I like N's beliefs, but he's taking those beliefs to the extreme.

Livewire February 5th, 2011 8:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 6437898)
It's mostly selfish because not all people have bad intentions with Pokemon, like Geechisu. I like N's beliefs, but he's taking those beliefs to the extreme.

I agree. Any extreme, good or evil, is almost never a good thing. Not to mention N seems to miss the point that Pokemon and people live in a symbiotic relationship, with each replying on the other in harmony.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 5th, 2011 8:33 PM

I like the team but I don't like the Leaders Dad...though he does make a good secret villian...

blue February 6th, 2011 3:39 PM

I love Team Plasma and they play an awesome role in Pokémon Black & White!

GlitchCity February 6th, 2011 5:08 PM

I was a little confuzzled about their plans at first. But its something that I would never guess that Game Freak would put into a game. It is a two sided scheme. They think they're doing good, but they're not. This actually sounds familiar, Team Aqua and Magma anyone?

Erufuun February 6th, 2011 5:12 PM

As long as N wants it, it is okay with me~ <333
Unfortunately, the game can't progress until I beat him. ;-;

I actually find them to be a lot less bad than the other bad guys. Their goals. For the whole entire Pokemon race, rather than for the improvement of an individual. (Though Geechisu ruins that) But none-the-less, they are still "bad" guys with somewhat evil intentions, and must be stopped... Pokemon wouldn't be the same Pokemon without us cramming them in tiny PokeBalls! D:

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 6th, 2011 6:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlitchCity (Post 6441587)
I was a little confuzzled about their plans at first. But its something that I would never guess that Game Freak would put into a game. It is a two sided scheme. They think they're doing good, but they're not. This actually sounds familiar, Team Aqua and Magma anyone?

Yeah it is like Team M and A from RSE, as in they are all trying to do good.
Only difference is that the leader is being manipulated by his father who has the opposite goals.

solarowl February 6th, 2011 7:02 PM

I believe N had his good intentions. But his mind got clouded by Geechisu, and then N went all out of his way to make his plan succeed. I would just say he misunderstood the situation. Geechisu is definitely to blame though. Either way, both of their actions reflected badly on them.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 6th, 2011 8:17 PM

I wish they would clear up their plan...I mean what would the legendaries have done to accomplish N's and his father's goals...unless they were planning on treating people to give up their pokemon throughout the world...with the "original" dragon...

super onii chan February 6th, 2011 9:12 PM

They steal Pokemon, end of discussion.

Ho-Oh February 6th, 2011 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by super onii chan (Post 6442039)
They steal Pokemon, end of discussion.

That's not directly answering whether you thought of their scheme, though. :(

I don't entirely know the whole storyline, so I can't really judge, but from what I do know, I think the idea of freeing Pokemon is nice but, would be better if they just y'know found out what the Pokemon actually wanted and whether they felt like humans were controlling them, but of course, it's Pokemon so it has to be made complicated. So yeah.

Zackraa February 6th, 2011 11:45 PM

http://i.imgur.com/xYLXSs.jpg

this image pretty much explains everything in my opinion

Livewire February 7th, 2011 5:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 6442213)
The end of the story is just… wow. I love the depth they put into Team Plasma. I especially like how things were building up during the game. The plot reveal at the end was rather stereotypical, though.

Unlike other teams, their motives were quite interesting, and they really did get in our way in the end, unlike the other games.

They actually did seem like a more cohesive and organized threat than either team Rocket or Team Galactic, as in they make things very hard for our protagonists for awhile there.

I actually like them a lot more than the previous few teams, tbh.

Esper February 8th, 2011 8:25 AM

Their goals were pretty realistic (for a pokemon game) and I liked that you could sympathize with them at least a little.

It subtly addresses one of those issues you sometimes read about, i.e., that pokemon is just cartoon cockfighting, and even though the overall response in the games is "pokemon want to be our friends and battle for us," like it always is, at least you get to see the games addressing some of their critics and finding a way not to completely villainize their point.

Echidna February 9th, 2011 7:25 AM

i would say obtain power and use it to free pokemon with force...........best way posible if no one understands your purposes....

Snowflakes February 9th, 2011 8:27 AM

Good intentions (for the most part; not sure if Geechisu would be included in the "Characters with Good Intentions Club") but not so good actions. Really, I can't decide whether or not I like Team Plasma. At some points, I do feel genuine pity for them. This is the most well-thought out team in a while...some could argue ever. This team is very similar to Team Magma and Team Aqua. That's not a bad thing; Team Magma/Aqua were my favorite teams of all. :> The ending of RSE...I felt so bad for the respective leaders...

Anyway...

I don't necessarily approve of Team Plasma, but I'm not entirely against them either. They're kinda like PETA...I'm not for or against PETA in kinda the same way I'm not for or against Team Plasma. Team Plasma is the PETA of the Pokemon world, wouldn't you agree? ;P But yeah. The situation with them isn't black and white; you can't really call them "evil" but you also can't really call them "good".


Zhinc February 9th, 2011 9:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zackraa (Post 6442214)
http://i.imgur.com/xYLXSs.jpg

this image pretty much explains everything in my opinion

BAHAHAHAHA, I love Maxie and Archie's reactions to each other. Made my day. (:

But anyway, I like that Team Plasma is a little different from the others. It's weird, yeah, but I like it. Plus, anything is better than Team Galactic; Cyrus gives me the creeps. ):

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 9th, 2011 3:38 PM

N and Cyrus actually aren't all that different both were loners but N was raised by Pokemon and Cyrus was raised...with robots...maybe it's what they were raised with that lead to different plans...
So Yeah N and Cyrus are two parts of the same coin...

theowlmanlives February 9th, 2011 3:49 PM

I have 2 things to say
1. Not all people have bad intentions for their pokemon
and
2. The costumes of the antagonists just keep getting funnier looking.
Why do the antagonists always have funny looking costumes? couldn't they wear something normal? A jacket with a logo is enough....

Livewire February 13th, 2011 8:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theowlmanlives (Post 6447085)
I have 2 things to say
1. Not all people have bad intentions for their pokemon
and
2. The costumes of the antagonists just keep getting funnier looking.
Why do the antagonists always have funny looking costumes? couldn't they wear something normal? A jacket with a logo is enough....

But, not all people have good intentions for their Pokemon either. There has to be a meeting in middle somewhere of ideologies.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2011 8:44 PM

Yup the middle of the two ideologies is called Grey in philosophical terms... not Black and White like N makes it seem...

Binarynerds February 14th, 2011 5:33 AM

They have a better intentions than the previous antagonists. Although I haven't played the game for that long so I am not entirely sure of the plot.

Derezzed February 14th, 2011 5:46 AM

I haven't played the game yet so I'm not fully aware of the plot for Team Plasma, but I love the idea of crazy Pokemon activists Peta style.


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