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adhdguitar March 6th, 2011 5:49 PM

They're well-intentioned extremists being manipulated by a maniac.

Livewire March 6th, 2011 7:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elite Overlord LeSabre™ (Post 6493283)
I've never liked the idea of Pokemon not being under the influence of trainers, ever since I scoffed at disgust at the idea of the Mystery Dungeon games. So needless to say, I probably see their plans as quite a bit more insane than others here.

And the hypocrisy of them enslaving and using Pokemon in order to liberate Pokemon doesn't escape me. Surely the gruints should have realized, "We're doing the exact same thing we're protesting against! What's wrong with this picture?"

I think all the teams have an air of hypocrisy to them, which is why all their plans end up falling apart in the end (or because of an obnoxious 10 year old)

The Noob Hacker March 29th, 2011 6:39 PM

Does Plasma have a point?
 
In case you can't infer the meaning of the title: Do you think Team Plasma actually has a legitimate point? Did you ever find yourself agreeing with them?

So, in the generation, we have a team with a completely different goal than the rest. And in my opinion, they sort of have a pretty decent point. I mean, when you look at it their way, it would kind of suck to be a Pokemon. Sure, they don't go about the best way to attain their goals, but its not like their doing evil to accomplish evil necessarily.

But the reason that I find myself agreeing with Plasma is because I haven't seen anyone actually bring a good counter-argument in the game. In a way, it makes sense that Plasma exists. The people of Unova seem to believe the "Pokemon and people are friends" concept so much, that they simply push Plasma's ideas aside. Every NPC says that Team Plasma is wrong, because Pokemon and peole are friends, but they never go further in depth than that. They give no details to support their statements. Most prominently of these people is Cheren. He outright ignored Team Plasma completely, he didn't even have the decency to pay attention to what they were saying. He simply pushes them aside like an internet troll that just says "sorry, I'm right, your wrong." when trying to have a debate. The arrogance displayed by Cheren makes me think that it is people like Cheren is the reason Team Plasma exists, in part. Not because he abuses Pokemon, but because he dismisses the notion that Pokemon might not like battling rather selfishly, his only counter being that they are friends, even though he never backs it up.

All in all, I think GF was trying way too hard to make these guys seem like villains. From what I have seen, Game Freak, instead of giving you a list of reasons why Plasma is evil, just says "their evil, be happy with it." It just ends up making the NPCs look incredibly arrogant and Plasma look better. In the end, I never actually saw Team Plasma and felt hatred towards them, I never really looked down upon them, I actually felt sorry for the guys. They are fighting for an actual reason, a fairly good reason at that, but were sadly deluded by corrupt leaders who turn out making the team into a big bunch of hypocrites.

Anyways, I wanted to know your own feelings about how evil Plasma actually was. Do you think that they are wholly evil and were a threat to society at large? Or do you think that they were just of mislead and perhaps a bit radical animal rights activists. (In other words, PETA.)

mysticjoshgaming March 29th, 2011 7:23 PM

they were forcing people to release pokemon so that ghetsis could control the unova region so they are evil

Barn March 29th, 2011 7:29 PM

Nope, mysticjoshgaming.

** SPOILERS ***

Did you read what Ghetsis said at the end of the game? He said he was tricking everyone - including Team Plasma and N - into releasing their Pokémon so that he would be the only one with Pokémon.

rstevenson1976 March 29th, 2011 7:30 PM

lol! there's something new, go team PETA!!!

Cryptys March 29th, 2011 7:31 PM

Haha, I love this thread already.

I personally thought the Team Plasma ideal was incredibly clever. Making their "goal" or agenda something that is somewhat contraversial was so brilliant! Before I ever even played B&W I thought to myself, "Wow....so Ashe sends his Pikachu in to battle a Ground type pokemon that completely counters it b/c he's too ignorant to know the different types?" "He seriously talks about how great he is when his pokemon win through guts and determination when he doesn't even know the opponent pokemon's moves until it hurts his pokemon?" How is that treating your pokemon right? What if that particular pokemon doesn't even want to fight?!

However, I am comforted by the fact that the relationship b/w pokemon and people is way more complex than simply a pokemon trainer. There are tons of pokemon owners in the anime that have never even battled and simply love taking care of pokemon and/or enjoying their companionship!

Also, I feel ok beating Team Plasma b/c you just know from the start that the entire "goal" is a cover-up for selfish, personal interests - from Ghetsis on down. How many members of Team Plasma do you beat and they say afterward how they are only backing Team Plasma for power or selfish interests? The Team Plasma "purpose" is simply a ruse but an effective one that leaves even some of the "regular joe" npc's in the game confused and questioning.

Sorry if it's too long. =D Keep fighting the good fight!

kelario26 March 29th, 2011 7:39 PM

Grunts, simply animal rights activists.

Leaders, evil.

Pidgeotto March 29th, 2011 7:54 PM

Their goals (well the fake one, not Ghetsis'), never had much merit. It has been shown time and time again that unless a Pokemon is being abused, they generally love being with their trainers.

Sure there's an argument against confining them to Pokeballs, but that's about it.

PlatinumDude March 30th, 2011 12:45 AM

I don't agree with Team Plasma's logic because one of the grunts explicitly states that they're stealing Pokemon to separate them from humans. Another point from TP that I don't get is from a Grunt in the Cold Storage, saying that the Pokemon look like they're having fun, but they're really suffering.

Zelda March 30th, 2011 2:58 AM

This topic is basically going by the same discussion in another one of our threads here, so I'm going to go ahead and merge the two together.

Continue on the discussion in our Team Plasma's Scheme thread, but in the future use our search function to look for threads that may pertain to the same topic you might want to create.

Rionix March 30th, 2011 3:09 AM

What they're planning isn't all that bad. We can admit that many trainers are so cruel to their pokemons that they even leave them behind when it failed them. Both the Team Plasma and N have pure intentions regarding pokemons, however, the real reason behind it which Ghetsis was the mastermind, that is the thing that made them bad.

IMHO, Ghetsis and the other six sages were the really bad guys here. Not the goons and N.

blue March 30th, 2011 3:10 AM

I don't really understand their scheme, Although it's not nice to hit Munnas :(

Sarcastic Prince March 30th, 2011 5:23 AM

Bah, who cares.
They are just a bunch of weird people
who ask people to free their PKMN, and yet,
they use to PKMN to fight as well.

They're just some stupid people blocking my way.
And anyone who blocks my way should be... terminated.

Dusk White March 30th, 2011 4:03 PM

I think team plasma plan is a bad thing. I think it's bad because trainers take good care of their pokemon if they caught them.

Team plasma sucks as villians cause all their doing is "freeing"/stealing pokemon from trainers (copying Team Rocket in a way) while Team Aqua and Magma were way better because everyone would suffer either way if they succeeded.

lamby101 March 30th, 2011 4:12 PM

Well N believes they have good intentions, but Ghetsis is just taking him for a ride the whole time.

That pretty much sums everything up.

GreenBeece March 30th, 2011 11:29 PM

Team Plasma's goal is the weirdest of all villainous team. But Ghetsis's first goal was to conquer the world... Hmmmh...

But their logo looks much like ChristusMonogram...

Poliwagged March 31st, 2011 12:27 AM

I think that N knew his actions were extreme, as referenced by Anthea.

N was driven by the hurt Pokemon he grew up with, and even when he realized that his "ideals" might not be the right thing, he continued to do so, perhaps as to not disappoint Ghetsis (his father).
So Ghetsis really did distort his entire life.


YAY CHILD ABUSE


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