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dizzyKitty February 5th, 2011 1:48 PM

Has anyone noticed the overabundance of bird Pokemon in B/W?
 
I mean, think about it. You've got a dove (Pidove), pheasants (Tranquill, Unfezent), a winged glyph/rune-type fellow (Sigilyph, perhaps a debatable bird, but I included him anyway), Archeopteryxes (Archen, Archeops), a duck (Ducklett) a swan (Swanna), vultures (Vullaby, Mandibuzz) and hawks (Rufflet, Braviary). That's twelve in all. I wouldn't be surprised if I missed someone, so feel free to speak up if I did.

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Flying-type trainers, eat your heart out. :D

Are Pokemon creators running out of ideas? What do you think of the new bird pokemon designs? I was a fan of Braviary from the get-go and I'm looking forward to also training a Mandibuzz (as it's a bit of a namesake, being Mandi-chan!).

Thoughts?

GlitchCity February 5th, 2011 2:53 PM

This is another reason why I love Unova. Flying types are my forte.
-squeeee!-

I dont think the creators are running out of ideas, these are getting more creative within each generation. I never thought that Game Freak would put a Vulture into the game. <3 Braviary

Eurydice February 5th, 2011 2:55 PM

i actually dont think that is very many bird types but then again i like bird types so i dont mind. if i am thinking right thats about how many other gens have. or maybe not idk

Dillon_68 February 5th, 2011 4:02 PM

I actually had a hard time finding a Flyer this time, I think they couldh've had more. I chose Swoobat as my Flying type.

Sabrewulf238 February 5th, 2011 4:04 PM

You could argue that Sigilyph isn't technically a bird. It's supposed to be the Pseudo bird right? Which means it's not actually a bird.

I don't mind how many birds there are....you could also say it's not as obvious because four of those birds are specific to different versions (Rufflet, Braviary, Vullaby and Mandibuzz)

The pokemon creators are not running out of ideas, of that I'm certain....is it going to take until the 20th gen when the pokemon team are still coming out with new ideas for pokemon that they're not running out of ideas and always have been doing so?

Pretty sure people have been saying that since the 2nd gen, if it was true we definitely would not be at the 5th gen now.

Bluemoon February 5th, 2011 4:13 PM

I think that i cool! still flying types are just speedy so i dont bother...

Ho-Oh February 5th, 2011 5:48 PM

Compare that to the seemingly endless amount of grass types and you'll be surprised.

Snivy, Servine, Serperior, Pansage, Simisage, Sewaddle, Swadloon, Leavanny, Cottonee, Whimisicott, Petilil, Lilligant, Maractus, Deerling, Sawsbuck Foongus, Amoonguss, Ferroseed, Ferrothorn and Virizion. Just seems like a hell of a lot. And bug types too. This region seems to have placed less importance on the most common water types and experimented with the least common types.

I do like that there's a lot more choices in birds/flying types though though, but you also have to consider the fact that B/W has added the most amount of Pokemon to the PokeDex than any other generation. So, due to that, more type variety is expected.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 5th, 2011 5:52 PM

I wish we had another steel / flying in that group of bird pokemon though :(

Ninja Caterpie February 5th, 2011 5:57 PM

This gen definitely evened out the types that had less Pokemon. Grass, Bug and Flying had major focuses, with a lot less water types. :P Unfortunately most of the Grass, Bug and Flying types are rather weak competitively due to the fact that they are Grass, Bug and Flying type.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 5th, 2011 5:59 PM

they still have to balance out fire types with the other types...actually I think we might have more dragons now than fire pokemon...

PlatinumDude February 5th, 2011 6:07 PM

I was surprised when I learned that there were 12 bird Pokemon in B/W. The only problem is deciding which one to use as a Fly slave (I already made up my mind with Archeos).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 5th, 2011 6:11 PM

I'll just pick the strongest out of the flying type Unova pokemon as a TM slave ;)

Mario The World Champion February 5th, 2011 6:12 PM

I don't know how many water types the new generation Pokemon have, but that was my main beef with the Gen IV Pokemon. Too many water types. In contrast, there were only a handful of Fire types. Just Chimchar and its evolutions and Heatran.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 5th, 2011 6:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario The World Champion (Post 6439493)
I don't know how many water types the new generation Pokemon have, but that was my main beef with the Gen IV Pokemon. Too many water types. In contrast, there were only a handful of Fire types. Just Chimchar and its evolutions and Heatran.

You forgot Magmortar :(
Yeah there does have to have be more fire types...this gen we have
Victini,Reshiram,the starter, the Fire ape that changes forms and it's pre evo, the chandelier pokemon...and a couple others I've provably forgot about...

Llennoccm8 February 5th, 2011 7:10 PM

its probably because birds are BBBBBBBEEEEEEAAAAAAASTTTTTT!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 5th, 2011 7:12 PM

I think Staravia and Wargle are the strongest bird pokemon out there...well other than the legendary birds of Kanto and Johto of course ^-^
I still think they could have added more bird pokemon though...

Spacial Sage February 5th, 2011 7:19 PM

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This isn't a bird so much as it is a raptor, mainly a deinonychus with elements of a velociraptor and an oviraptor.

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This is an unown on steroids nazca bird thing. It's barely a bird if one at all.

RulerArceus February 6th, 2011 6:07 AM

What?Flying types aren't neglected! GHOST TYPES ARE NEGLECTED!
Seriously, it's the least popular type, taking up 4.16% of all pokemon.
4.16%.
Flying pokemon are the 3rd most COMMON type(12.94%).
Yeah, they get more pokemon, but what about those poor undead ones?They have almost no friends compared to the other types:'(.
So yeah, sorry about that.Plus, anyway, if they added 12(You forgot Tornelos) that means there was 72 flying types before.So they don't seem very neglected even before this Gen.
EAT IT.
¬RulerArceus

GlitchCity February 6th, 2011 7:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 6440369)
Would you really call it overabundance? We've seen lacks of several types, but we've always had a fair bunch of flying type Pokémon in each generation. We've also had neglected grass types, almost NO fire types (in Diamond and Pearl) and…

I think this generation had a lot of balance in its types with all the new Pokémon it introduced.

Agreed. There are also a lot more steel types in this generatioin. 149 new pokemon, 17 types, at least families with that type. Kudos to Generation 5.

Kenshin5 February 6th, 2011 9:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6439452)
they still have to balance out fire types with the other types...actually I think we might have more dragons now than fire pokemon...

No we have 48 Fire types compared to 29 Dragon Types. So if anything needs to be balanced out of these two it would be Dragon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario The World Champion (Post 6439493)
I don't know how many water types the new generation Pokemon have, but that was my main beef with the Gen IV Pokemon. Too many water types. In contrast, there were only a handful of Fire types. Just Chimchar and its evolutions and Heatran.

Actually there are 17 Water Types in Unova to 14 in Sinnoh. If I counted that right.

As for the topic at hand there does not seem to be an overabundance of Bird type pokemon in Unova.

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There are at least a 11 pure bird types in Kanto, so is that too much? Its just about as much as Unova. And if you count Psyduck and Golduck bird pokemon since they are part duck then you would have 13 which is even more then Unova.

blue February 6th, 2011 9:22 AM

Well one of my favourite types is flying, so I'm in luck :D

XtinaIsMeLuvinWWE February 6th, 2011 11:41 AM

Personally I love it - flying types are one of my favourites and it's nice to have more to choose from :)

dizzyKitty February 6th, 2011 1:22 PM

It just seemed like such a variety to me. xD

If you look at all the bird Pokemon from Kanto, they're all (with the exception of the legendaries and psyduck and golduck) pretty much brown, tan, black, and red. Their colors were limited and they all looked similar, versus the Unova birds, which have a variety of colors and give a nod to a number of different real-world bird species.

slyViper February 6th, 2011 1:32 PM

I guess it all comes down to game freak makings sure they don't run out of ideas by keeping them all different I suppose. I still came up with the idea for a swan pokemon at least a year in advanced before the game released -shakes fist-

Kenshin5 February 7th, 2011 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzyKitty (Post 6441118)
It just seemed like such a variety to me. xD

If you look at all the bird Pokemon from Kanto, they're all (with the exception of the legendaries and psyduck and golduck) pretty much brown, tan, black, and red. Their colors were limited and they all looked similar, versus the Unova birds, which have a variety of colors and give a nod to a number of different real-world bird species.

Too me that just shows an evolving complexity in pokemons design across the board. Which is refreshing too me, since I would rather see a good design then something bland. Sure people may complain they are over doing it, but I think the Bird Pokemon and a majority of the rest are hell of designs. As you noted their coloration's are rather similar and bland, but that was the beginning of the series and that was what they were aiming for at the time.


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