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Spectrum December 9th, 2004 4:30 AM

DS vs. PSP
 
Well, here ya have it. A comparison of the DS and PSP, sent to me by a person who wishes to remain anonymous. It's the same game, Ridge Racer, on both consoles.

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/2985/11009598374934pp.jpg

After seeing this, which one are you getting?

fudge01 December 9th, 2004 4:35 AM

DS gfx are not everything you know i would still like it if they were 2d ^_^ and i don't play those kind of games much so meh!

Timbjerr December 9th, 2004 4:45 AM

those clearly aren't the same games. Just look at the positioning of guages and stuff. Most games leave that kind of stuff in the same place even when they cross console boundaries.


This particular debate has become kinda heated in the past, i'll leave it open for now, but at the first sign of flames, this'll get closed.

Intuition December 9th, 2004 4:49 AM

Yeah.. But I like the DS more :) ^^

Spectrum December 9th, 2004 4:52 AM

Actually, they are the same game. When games cross platforms, they tend to look different. Take the Harry Potter games, for example. But anyway, the point of this is to show the difference in graphics between the two consoles.

As for me, I'll probably be getting the PSP, if they end up porting DS emulation onto it. Otherwise, I'll probably get the DS.

Intuition December 9th, 2004 4:55 AM

I allready have the normal PS2.. So I'll only get the DS ^^

fudge01 December 9th, 2004 4:57 AM

DS for sure casue it can play gba games ^_^ i love my 2d games eh psp meh

Intuition December 9th, 2004 5:02 AM

Yeah? I didn't know it could play the GBA games ^^ lol

Dawson December 9th, 2004 5:08 AM

Those screens are biased towards the PSP. They show the PSP's graphical superiority but they haven't shown the DS's twin screens or touch sensitive capabilities. I'll be getting the DS. I already have a PS2 and I aint paying a shedload of money for a smaller,less capable version of it.

fudge01 December 9th, 2004 5:13 AM

although that pictures looks low quaility needs to be saved in a better format o.O

Intuition December 9th, 2004 5:16 AM

Lol, it doesn't show the true power of the DS! ^^

Dawson December 9th, 2004 5:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a1337a
You know what's on the second screen? a map of the track, which I think racing games stopped using circa 1998. And who'd wanna use a touchscreen to drive a car? :P
I see no bias, just one console that seems more equiped to handle tomorrow, than the other.

Yes but this is a thread comparing the consoles, not how one game plays on both consoles. Look at games like Metroid Prime: First Hunt and how that uses the touch screen. Or how Madden uses both screens. It's unfair to showcase the same game on both consoles because it only shows the PSP's graphic advantage and not any of the DS's features.

Lucifer. December 9th, 2004 5:27 AM

The way I see it, there's little to differentiate the PSP from the PS2 apart from the fact that one's portable. So what exactly is the point? I mean, with the GBA developers were forced to utilise the hardware that was available to them, which allowed for more original versions of current home console games to come about (Kingdom Hearts: CoM?). With the PSP that will be no more. Devil May Cry PSP will be your run-of-the-mill DMC game, etc etc. The only genre that I see benefiting from the huge leap is sports games. I can't wait to play Pro Evolution Soccer on Sony's handheld.

The PSP skips an entire generation - namely, the DS. Imagine if that would've happened before the GBA's launch, and the entire 16-bit handheld era had been ignored? No Minish Cap, Metroid Fusion, Tactics Advance, Mario ports... Likewise, should the DS be crushed by the PSP (unlikely. Thank the lord for Pokemon and their console-selling ways) we'll see no more 64-bit handheld games, possible Ocarina of Time/Smash Brothers/Mario Tennis/whatever ports or remakes. I just think Sony's giant leap to modern-day visuals is a shame for those of us who enjoy the nostalgia of playing games that are either remade classics, or at the very least in the same style as them.

The GBA is a portal back to the days of the SNES. With the PSP, the future of handhelds is exactly the same as the future of home consoles. Where's the fun in that?

(For the record, I'll be getting both)

Dawson December 9th, 2004 5:44 AM

Quote:

The way I see it, there's little to differentiate the PSP from the PS2 apart from the fact that one's portable. So what exactly is the point?
Unfortunately the PSP is what it was designed to be, a portable Playstation. Which is why I hate Sony so much. They should have put a lot of thought into what they wanted from their first handheld console. Like you said, they skipped a generation. Now instead of buying old psone classics that we haven't played for years, we'll be making the choice whether to play a game on a full screen TV or on a portable screen. I know which one I'd pick.

Brittany December 9th, 2004 5:46 AM

*hugs PSP*
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucifer
The GBA is a portal back to the days of the SNES. With the PSP, the future of handhelds is exactly the same as the future of home consoles. Where's the fun in that?

(For the record, I'll be getting both)

Actually, I don't see the fun in getting 64-bit games that have diminished from my memories lord knows how long ago.
I can definetly see your point, but it's still not my style.

And I know that you didn't really mean exactly when you said it, but the games won't be exactly the same. For example, FFVII:CC will only be for PSP, and not PS2 XD
I won't list another example, because that alone is good enough reason for me to get PSP :P

And for the record, I'll be getting DS just for FFIII and the Pokemon games.

Burne Starcofski December 9th, 2004 5:48 AM

He's right, this is only shots of ONE game. It could be the other way around, for instance:

When Need For Speed: Underhround 2 comes out for both, on the PSP it may look better, but the DS would offer more options on the Paint jobs, (Like custome drawing and/or placing vinyl and paint.)

I agree that while the PSP looks better on the PSP, you have to figure in that the DS needed some space for the Double Screen Coordination.

Lucifer. December 9th, 2004 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brittany
Actually, I don't see the fun in getting 64-bit games that have diminished from my memories lord knows how long ago.
I can definetly see your point, but it's still not my style.

Like phoenix316 said above, that list kinda includes 32-bit PSOne games as well. Plus they'd be more polished, of course. Just like the GBA (in most cases) improved upon the general style used for SNES games. The Minish Cap's a good example of this. If that game'd been released for the SNES 10 years ago it'd have blown peoples' minds (slight exaggeration maybe, but y'know what I mean). I can imagine the same thing will happen for DS-developed games (just look at Mario 64 DS. Mario is far more detailed than he was in his blocky N64 appearance).

Oh and of course, the screen will be clearer. I've always had problems with my N64 putting out a fuzzy picture, which is partly why I don't play it anymore.

I know FFVII:CC will be a PSP-exclusive, but basically there's no real reason why it can't be launched on the PS2. That's sort of what I mean - there's no real difference between the two apart from the fact that one can be played on the move.

Pokemon Master #1 December 9th, 2004 8:08 AM

Ds.
 
I am a loyal Nintendo fan so i'm going with the DS.

Brittany December 9th, 2004 8:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucifer
Like phoenix316 said above, that list kinda includes 32-bit PSOne games as well. Plus they'd be more polished, of course. Just like the GBA (in most cases) improved upon the general style used for SNES games. The Minish Cap's a good example of this. If that game'd been released for the SNES 10 years ago it'd have blown peoples' minds (slight exaggeration maybe, but y'know what I mean). I can imagine the same thing will happen for DS-developed games (just look at Mario 64 DS. Mario is far more detailed than he was in his blocky N64 appearance).

Oh and of course, the screen will be clearer. I've always had problems with my N64 putting out a fuzzy picture, which is partly why I don't play it anymore.

I know FFVII:CC will be a PSP-exclusive, but basically there's no real reason why it can't be launched on the PS2. That's sort of what I mean - there's no real difference between the two apart from the fact that one can be played on the move.

Hmm, I can't really imagine our favorite PSOne games getting ported to DS. I mean, do you really want 6-cartridge DS games?
I think that DS will probably stick to N64 games far more than they would to PS1 games XD
I'm not putting down n64 games at all though, so please don't misunderstand me. It's just that... well, they're smaller than PS1 games. XD

Plus, don't you think PSOne games have a greater chance of getting ported to PSP?

Lucifer. December 9th, 2004 9:38 AM

Not really. I'd expect Sony want developers to maximize the PSP's graphical potential. So unless it were vastly updated, I don't expect to see the fabled Final Fantasy VII remake alot of people are speculating over any time soon.

Not all PSOne games would be beyond the DS. The likes of Resident Evil and Tony Hawk's were released for the N64 after all. I don't know all the ins and outs of consoles, but if games like Perfect Dark and Ocarina of Time squeezed onto the N64 then I don't see why some PSOne titles couldn't get a DS make-over.

Not that I'd want any, of course. With the exception of the Final Fantasy series and a couple of others I hated the PSOne. XD

THIRTY-SIX December 9th, 2004 9:42 AM

er i dont get what the poll is for is it for which is better or which one are u getting? well ill vote for ds cuz i no more bout it :P

Brittany December 9th, 2004 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemunna
er i dont get what the poll is for is it for which is better or which one are u getting? well ill vote for ds cuz i no more bout it :P

It's for whatever you want. *hands over a magic rainbow*

Let your dreams decide what the poll should be! xD

Burne Starcofski December 10th, 2004 5:48 AM

(That's a lot of freedom.....)

BTW: When, EXACTLY, does the PSP come Stateside?

Carlito-san December 10th, 2004 12:04 PM

Those pics are Biased.I mean,clearly for the same game the PSP is better,for better Graphics.But the DS has at least non-port games.And better gameplay.*coughmetalgearcough*

pokejungle December 10th, 2004 3:17 PM

I don't know how the PSP will ever beat the DS. Once you feel how good touch really is, you're hooked!

Carlito-san December 10th, 2004 3:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokejungle
I don't know how the PSP will ever beat the DS. Once you feel how good touch really is, you're hooked!

Wight.it wont.Impossible.See,the PSP is a stupid idea.I already have a MP3 player(Ipod)a DVD player that I can get movies for for 19.99,And a Game player(DS)why would I buy that black paperweight?

pokejungle December 10th, 2004 3:25 PM

I know. Sony has its head screwed up. ~_~

Carlito-san December 10th, 2004 3:34 PM

i mean,what are they smoking?They think it will sell.Ha!*coughngagecough*

pokejungle December 10th, 2004 3:40 PM

Ya, you would at least think that the NGage would have turned them off. Nintendo is good at handhelds, and the GBA just broke the record for handhelds sold....^-^

Kairi December 10th, 2004 3:52 PM

Don’t call either of them stupid. This topic is really touchy, and if anyone so much as says anything that isn’t positive about either system, a fight usually breaks out. So watch it guys, you can discuss them but…don’t flat out bash them.

JoWood December 10th, 2004 4:11 PM

There has been a simple, narrow-minded comparison of the DS and PSP(wow, how many times have I talked about these?). You cannot judge the DS and PSP based solely on graphics. It's stupid! Theres many more concepts to a system besides graphics.

The DS offers the same type of gameplay as the PSP, while the reverse is not true. The PSP cannot even compare to the interaction that Nintendo has offered with the DS. As for UMD discs, the battery power doesn't even allow for the music or movie to play good. Meaning, you'll have to walk around with an adapter and backup battery all the time.

Brittany December 10th, 2004 4:36 PM

I luv PSP XD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billybob
Those pics are Biased.I mean,clearly for the same game the PSP is better,for better Graphics.But the DS has at least non-port games.And better gameplay.*coughmetalgearcough*

Those pics aren't biased! XD
Both are untouched and straight from the game.
Also, please don't assume that DS will have less port games than PSP, when PSP isn't even released yet XD
Lastly, some people may like the gameplay that you put down. DS's gameplay being better is your opinion, and by no means a fact.
Quote:

Originally Posted by billybob
Wight.it wont.Impossible.See,the PSP is a stupid idea.I already have a MP3 player(Ipod)a DVD player that I can get movies for for 19.99,And a Game player(DS)why would I buy that black paperweight?

Well, that's great for you, it really is. But just because you have an mp3 player and a DVD player doesn't mean that it applies to the rest of the world.
Also, some of us would rather have all of those features in one device, not many.

I wouldn't consider it 'impossible'
Quote:

Originally Posted by pokejungle
I know. Sony has its head screwed up. ~_~

Actually, I think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread XD
Quote:

Originally Posted by billybob
i mean,what are they smoking?They think it will sell.Ha!*coughngagecough*

Hold on there bucko!
PSP is by no means, an N-Gage XD
Quote:

Originally Posted by pokejungle
Ya, you would at least think that the NGage would have turned them off. Nintendo is good at handhelds, and the GBA just broke the record for handhelds sold....^-^

Well, you're right. Nintendo is great at making handhelds.
But Sony may be just as good, and I wouldn't count them out just yet. :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoWood
There has been a simple, narrow-minded comparison of the DS and PSP(wow, how many times have I talked about these?). You cannot judge the DS and PSP based solely on graphics. It's stupid! Theres many more concepts to a system besides graphics.

The DS offers the same type of gameplay as the PSP, while the reverse is not true. The PSP cannot even compare to the interaction that Nintendo has offered with the DS. As for UMD discs, the battery power doesn't even allow for the music or movie to play good. Meaning, you'll have to walk around with an adapter and backup battery all the time.

I don't judge it based on graphics alone. I think that PSP's gameplay, games, features, and design is better too.

I don't really care for DS's interaction capabilities with features that are useless in my opinion, like picto-chat and a touch screen.

And don't even touch the battery-life issue. PSP can handle 5 hours+ for movies, 8 hours+ for gaming, and even more for music.

You all had previous attacks on battery-life and price, but now that the real facts are out- told ya so!

Kairi December 10th, 2004 4:40 PM

The GBA didn’t offer all those features either, and yet it outsold consoles who had features like mics and online play etc. Features are good; however, if no software makes intelligent use of them, they’ll go to waste. The GBA > GCN link is a good example. It’s cool, but so few games make actual use of it beyond basic concepts.

I don’t know anything about the PSP or the DS besides I don’t intend to get either. However, beyond all the features and specs and everything it comes down to how much fun it is to play. Nintendo fans will buy a DS, and Sony fans will buy a PSP. Even if they put out the same quality of stuff as the Ngage, they’d outsell it, simply because of the larger fanbase. There really weren’t…Nokia fanboys and girls, per se. Now if either can deliver real entertainment for those in the middle, or even reaching over to the other side, then they’ve got something.

…I think.

And Brit, I know it was just teasing, but don't taunt or even appear like you could be. See the above? I don't attack points of either console, and while it may not be the most compelling arguement, at least it's tranquil.

Brittany December 10th, 2004 4:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kairi
And Brit, I know it was just teasing, but don't taunt or even appear liek you could be. See the above? I don't attack points of either console, and while it may not be the most compelling arguement, at least it's tranquil.

Are you talking about the 'told ya so' part, or my entire arguement?

Kairi December 10th, 2004 4:50 PM

Told ya so mainly. I realize you’re not seriously taunting, but a lot of people are sensitive about this. That said, I was just giving advice. Let’s return to talking about the DS and PSP. Like…

Has anyone tried steering with the second screen wheel? o_O Is it intuitive or more difficult to use?

Poke December 10th, 2004 5:17 PM

I have one thing that Im shockd no one has talked about.
Everyone thinks the PSP will play ALL DVDs.....well it doesnt. It plays PSP exclusive DVDs such as Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children. While Im not saying PSP is bad I dont really like that part.

The DS has two screens and alot of people think thats it an online system....well its not. The "online" feature (and Pictochat) reaches approximatly from Your House to next door.

Although both systems are good DS offers slightly more (in my opinion) than the PSP. And as Kairi said Nintendo fans will buy DS, Sony fans will buy PSP.....thats entirely true.

Carlito-san December 10th, 2004 5:19 PM

Yo,Britt,Where did i say they were a fact?Nowhere.Maybe i am a Nintendo Fanboy.Who cares?I agree with Ms.Admin.minus the not getting one part.
Heck,Im getting the PSP even.

Also,DemaSked is a nintendo project that WILL let you reach 3000 miles to Anywhere*coughonlinecough*Using Hot Spots Wi-Fi is different from online.

Brittany December 10th, 2004 5:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybob
Yo,Britt,Where did i say they were a fact?Nowhere.Maybe i am a Nintendo Fanboy.Who cares?I agree with Ms.Admin.minus the not getting one part.
Heck,Im getting the PSP even.

Also,DemaSked is a nintendo project that WILL let you reach 3000 miles to Anywhere*coughonlinecough*Using Hot Spots Wi-Fi is different from online.

DS is better than PSP. - stated as a fact
I think DS is better than PSP. - stated as an opinion

If you want to avoid an arguement, don't barge into a thread and say "DS's gameplay styles are better!" when you know that someone may disagree.

Also, I never called you a Nintendo fanboi, and you're not really getting PSP even by saying "I like DS!" over and over again.

'Ms. Admin' was just saying that to make sure I don't go too far in my posts, which I haven't done yet.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Poke
I have one thing that Im shockd no one has talked about.
Everyone thinks the PSP will play ALL DVDs.....well it doesnt. It plays PSP exclusive DVDs such as Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children. While Im not saying PSP is bad I dont really like that part.

The DS has two screens and alot of people think thats it an online system....well its not. The "online" feature (and Pictochat) reaches approximatly from Your House to next door.

Although both systems are good DS offers slightly more (in my opinion) than the PSP. And as Kairi said Nintendo fans will buy DS, Sony fans will buy PSP.....thats entirely true.

PSP plays no DVDs dear. It plays UMDs.

Abby was definetly right about the fan part, I'm just mad because some promote it with false information XD

Poke December 10th, 2004 6:05 PM

Yes I know it doesnt play DVDs what I meant was it only plays things that are only compatible with the PSP (forgive me if Im mistaken)

Brittany December 10th, 2004 6:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poke
Yes I know it doesnt play DVDs what I meant was it only plays things that are only compatible with the PSP (forgive me if Im mistaken)

Right-o.
UMDs (1.8 GB)
Memory cards (from 32mb up to 1 Gig, and even more in the near-future)

That's your main PSP media.

Poke December 10th, 2004 6:18 PM

Its really too bad though because Sony had so much they coulda done that they didnt....its quite disappointing

Brittany December 10th, 2004 6:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poke
Its really too bad though because Sony had so much they coulda done that they didnt....its quite disappointing

I think Sony maximized the potential for their machine at this point in time.

Of course, the machine's features are aimed towards different audiences, but as far as I'm concerned(and most other Sony fans), PSP is ahead of it's time in graphics, games, and features.

I've totally lost my interest(with the exception of Pokemon) in Nintendo products after GCN and NDS. They're just not my style XD

Poke December 10th, 2004 6:50 PM

Ha but its not really ahead of the generations I think. What it seems to me is just a handheld with good graphics and other little tidbits but not much else. It doesnt give you much to do once youve finished something a few times. But the main thing that really disappoints me about the PSP is what is said above. The PSP is just a handheld system with nothing but games that are little different than the PS2. I dont think the DS is as suprussed up as it need be but in my opinion it has more replay value.

Overall: PSP: Great system with extraidinary graphics, music player, UMD player, and little else. It is great until youre done with game or movies.

Overall DS: A different kind of system with average graphics, 2-screens, chat, and somewhat "online" support. At beginning it may not seem like much compared to PSP but ends up being great when you want to do games over with the "online"

One thing not mentioned: PSP will hook up to your PS2 to play certain games online (if you have online with PS2) such as Gran Turismo.

Carlito-san December 10th, 2004 7:03 PM

Not true.There is no connection to the PS2.Also,Britt,I never said you called me a nintendo fanboy.I just said i am.And,I will be getting a PSP.

Poke December 10th, 2004 7:06 PM

Yes, there is
 
There is a connection dude and I know it....at least im 95% sure there is

Carlito-san December 10th, 2004 7:09 PM

95%.Not 100%.Ok,then.Give me prove.Please.

Brittany December 10th, 2004 7:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybob
Not true.There is no connection to the PS2.Also,Britt,I never said you called me a nintendo fanboy.I just said i am.And,I will be getting a PSP.

It's a little thing called a USB cord! XD

I don't agree with the 'little else' part of Poke's statement. PSP does have other features, like
~GPS
~Keyboard
~Camera
and more! XD

Poke December 10th, 2004 7:17 PM

REALLY! WELL THATS CHANGES MY WHOLE OPINON! Well there is room for mistakes. And MY proff is the Official Playstation Magazine (OPM or 1up.com) said that games like Gran Turismo will have only play on PSP with it being hooked to PS2.

Brittany even though all though features are there (I think its better than DS in some ways now) DS will probably win THIS year because of its experience and amount of fans. In the next 10 years Sony might just kill Nintendo.....because if Nintendo's new platformer fails and PSP destroys DS (unlikly) Nintendo might go outta business (because of little sucess of Game Cube

Brittany December 10th, 2004 7:22 PM

GTA4: Mobile doesn't require connection to the PS2 for gameplay, it's just used for extra features and such, me thinks.

Nintendo might have a comeback. With all of the talk about their 'Revolution' system, things may look up, along with help from Gameboy Evolution XD.

But I still think Sony will dominate overall XD

Poke December 10th, 2004 7:24 PM

Ya neva know....ya neva know

^^NICK^^ v.3.0 December 10th, 2004 7:50 PM

Although the PSDS thing may have better graphics, I like Nintendo products way better than anything else, so, DS. I still need to get one.

Kairi December 10th, 2004 7:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poke
Ha but its not really ahead of the generations I think. What it seems to me is just a handheld with good graphics and other little tidbits but not much else. It doesnt give you much to do once youve finished something a few times. But the main thing that really disappoints me about the PSP is what is said above. The PSP is just a handheld system with nothing but games that are little different than the PS2. I dont think the DS is as suprussed up as it need be but in my opinion it has more replay value.

Overall: PSP: Great system with extraidinary graphics, music player, UMD player, and little else. It is great until youre done with game or movies.

Overall DS: A different kind of system with average graphics, 2-screens, chat, and somewhat "online" support. At beginning it may not seem like much compared to PSP but ends up being great when you want to do games over with the "online"

One thing not mentioned: PSP will hook up to your PS2 to play certain games online (if you have online with PS2) such as Gran Turismo.

I think that replay value comes from the software, not the hardware. I mean…you could make a game with no replay value on either system, or one with immense. And that’s not because of the hardware. The GBA is, spec wise, an inferior gaming platform to almost any current one. And yet some of its games are noted amongst the most replayable. Like…Pokémon.

It’s all up to the software developers to use what’s at their disposal to make fun games. On the DS side, they have many forms of interaction. And on the PSP side, better specs. But when it comes down to it, if nobody uses either of these…well, then they’ll flop.

Poke December 10th, 2004 7:55 PM

Youmknow someone will use these

Kairi December 10th, 2004 7:57 PM

Let’s hope. I haven’t seen too many uses of the second screen/touch/mic I find particularly clever. Nor have I seen anything really mindblowing on the PSP yet, either. Like I said, we’ll see. >P

JoWood December 11th, 2004 4:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Our Remarkable President
It's a little thing called a USB cord! XD

I don't agree with the 'little else' part of Poke's statement. PSP does have other features, like
~GPS
~Keyboard
~Camera
and more! XD

Brittany, these features haven't been confirmed. You can just infer that since the PSP has a USB cord that these capabilites will be made available for it, but we haven't heard anything from any other third parties.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Our Remarkable President
I don't judge it based on graphics alone. I think that PSP's gameplay, games, features, and design is better too.

I don't really care for DS's interaction capabilities with features that are useless in my opinion, like picto-chat and a touch screen.

And don't even touch the battery-life issue. PSP can handle 5 hours+ for movies, 8 hours+ for gaming, and even more for music.

You all had previous attacks on battery-life and price, but now that the real facts are out- told ya so!

Are we looking at the same post? You did say you thought PSP's features were better. What might those include that the DS doesn't offer? And then you said the DS' innovative activities were useless in your opinion. This is how I picture the PSP. Like pitochat for example, a messenger on the DS. Does PSP offer that?

2 screens, and a touch screen. Does PSP offer this? SO lets see I'm going to be paying double the DS, for just a music and movie player. That sounds about right doesn't it?

Lucifer. December 11th, 2004 5:27 AM

I'm not really a fan of some of the DS's features - pictochat and all that mallarky. I find the second touch-screen a novel idea, and one that opens up a lot of possibilites for games designers who can actually be bothered to utilise it. I'm not saying it's the greatest thing since sliced bread - far from it. But at least it's offering developers the chance to do something different.

I'm no innovation-hippy though. First and foremost, I want a DS for Mario 64, Final Fantasy III and a bangin' new Zelda game. XD

One thing you can say about Nintendo is that they're naive. Especially when it comes to the US and European markets. They probably think a technically weaker machine like the DS can flatten the PSP purely for the fact that it has a number of features that don't appear on Sony's handheld. Well they're wrong. You only need to look around the various PlayStation forums to realise that all they care about is graphics. It's their counter-argument to everything you say the DS has going for it. The PlayStation fanboys are a group that Nintendo can only dream of cracking.

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 7:17 AM

Nintendo will not fail.If the DS fails,they bring out the GBE earlyer.

Kairi December 11th, 2004 9:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoWood
Brittany, these features haven't been confirmed. You can just infer that since the PSP has a USB cord that these capabilites will be made available for it, but we haven't heard anything from any other third parties.



Are we looking at the same post? You did say you thought PSP's features were better. What might those include that the DS doesn't offer? And then you said the DS' innovative activities were useless in your opinion. This is how I picture the PSP. Like pitochat for example, a messenger on the DS. Does PSP offer that?

2 screens, and a touch screen. Does PSP offer this? SO lets see I'm going to be paying double the DS, for just a music and movie player. That sounds about right doesn't it?

No, but if the features are under-utilized, you’re paying half for hardware that doesn’t have any software backing its abilities. And if (And I’m not saying they are) if those features themselves are not practical in gameplay, no one will develop effectively or their system.

I mean…all the great game systems in the past only played games, until the Xbox or PS2. But people don’t think those two are great because of the “extra features” of a DVD player and such. They value them for their gaming ability.

Iwata has made it clear though, that the DS is targeting the beginners and young women, both whom “usually dislike games”

Now I can’t see anyone who dislikes games anyways specifically going for the DS hardware. It’s kinda large, and I imagine all its features could seem a bit daunting at first glance. Like…most people who get Mario 64 DS do so cause they liked it on the N64.

Now stuff like the Sims and Animal Crossing does reach this audience, cause it’s a whole different kind of game. But I don’t see an entire platform being like that.

Anyways, it’s a risky idea to base your system on, especially as video games become “cooler” and more mainstream. Appealing to the 17~25 gamer with stuff that looks “sweet” has worked so well for Sony and MS. Look at Halo. Everyone who’s played an Xbox, at one point or another, has touched Halo. Halo 2 had a ridiculously huge launch.

This doesn’t mean the games have to be rated M or drip with blood. It just means it appeals to gamers differently. Like you can pick up these games, and start playing easily. If you want though, you can do much deeper in them and play your friends, consume your adult beverages, laugh, socialize, etc etc.

But blah, I’m rambling, and the words just aren’t coming out right.

JoWood December 11th, 2004 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kairi
No, but if the features are under-utilized, you’re paying half for hardware that doesn’t have any software backing its abilities. And if (And I’m not saying they are) if those features themselves are not practical in gameplay, no one will develop effectively or their system.

I mean…all the great game systems in the past only played games, until the Xbox or PS2. But people don’t think those two are great because of the “extra features” of a DVD player and such. They value them for their gaming ability.

Iwata has made it clear though, that the DS is targeting the beginners and young women, both whom “usually dislike games”

Now I can’t see anyone who dislikes games anyways specifically going for the DS hardware. It’s kinda large, and I imagine all its features could seem a bit daunting at first glance. Like…most people who get Mario 64 DS do so cause they liked it on the N64.

Now stuff like the Sims and Animal Crossing does reach this audience, cause it’s a whole different kind of game. But I don’t see an entire platform being like that.

Anyways, it’s a risky idea to base your system on, especially as video games become “cooler” and more mainstream. Appealing to the 17~25 gamer with stuff that looks “sweet” has worked so well for Sony and MS. Look at Halo. Everyone who’s played an Xbox, at one point or another, has touched Halo. Halo 2 had a ridiculously huge launch.

This doesn’t mean the games have to be rated M or drip with blood. It just means it appeals to gamers differently. Like you can pick up these games, and start playing easily. If you want though, you can do much deeper in them and play your friends, consume your adult beverages, laugh, socialize, etc etc.

But blah, I’m rambling, and the words just aren’t coming out right.

Nope, I don't think they are either.

Ok, first you said that the DS didn't have any software to back their abilities. I agree and I think Nintendo has failed in their so called 'revolutionary system'. But the features and abilities with the DS are practical in gameplay. Take 'Feel The Magic' for example. This game utilizes all the DS' features, touch screen/microphone/and dual screen. Meaning this game couldn't be played the same way on PSP.

You said the DS was large and the design wasn't too good. Once again, a narrow-minded comparison to both systems. You simply cannot say because something doesn't look small and sleek that it won't outdo the opponent. These are the same 17-25 audience your talking about, who can look at a game and just say it's good. Take Racket and Clank for example, the game just made three top 10(perfect) ratings in major gaming magazines but it just suffered a $10.00 price drop.

Kairi December 11th, 2004 11:03 AM

Yeah, see I’m not sure if they are. If they are, then could be successful. But FTM is about the only piece of software I’ve seen that has demonstrated use of them. That’s why I’m unsure as to how they’ll hold up.

I didn’t say its design was poor. I said it’s features may appear a bit overwhelming at first glance to the audience Iwata is targeting. I’m not claiming the PSP has a better design. I’m discussing the design and plan of the DS, not the DS vs. the PSP.

Lastly, I’m not saying that audience rules. I’m saying the majority of the success in the market is aimed towards that group. Certainly not all of it, but it’s heading that way. And that doesn’t mean other corners of the market should be ignored, but the young adult set should definitely be given at least consideration.

Brittany December 11th, 2004 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoWood
Brittany, these features haven't been confirmed. You can just infer that since the PSP has a USB cord that these capabilites will be made available for it, but we haven't heard anything from any other third parties.

Thanks, I'm not that remarkable though XD

But yes, those features have been confirmed. You don't need a third party, just the official website XD

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoWood
Are we looking at the same post? You did say you thought PSP's features were better. What might those include that the DS doesn't offer? And then you said the DS' innovative activities were useless in your opinion. This is how I picture the PSP. Like pitochat for example, a messenger on the DS. Does PSP offer that?

Excuse me, but I have the right to think GPS, cameras, and physical keyboards beats 2 screens, a touch screen, and pictochat.

Saying that we have differing opinions is one thing, but to completely disregard it is another.

And think about it. A camera and keyboard. PSP might be able to handle a messanging service that sends real pictures, not hand-drawn ones, and type out messages too.


Quote:

Originally Posted by JoWood
2 screens, and a touch screen. Does PSP offer this? SO lets see I'm going to be paying double the DS, for just a music and movie player. That sounds about right doesn't it?

Nope, that doesn't sound about right. PSP is less than $40 more than DS. Have a nice day XD

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Our great president that has blurry views on the handheld war
Thanks, I'm not that remarkable though XD

But yes, those features have been confirmed. You don't need a third party, just the official website XD


Excuse me, but I have the right to think GPS, cameras, and physical keyboards beats 2 screens, a touch screen, and pictochat.

Saying that we have differing opinions is one thing, but to completely disregard it is another.

And think about it. A camera and keyboard. PSP might be able to handle a messanging service that sends real pictures, not hand-drawn ones, and type out messages too.



Nope, that doesn't sound about right. PSP is less than $40 more than DS. Have a nice day XD

Guess What?A GPS and A camera on the PSP will probably cost you I dont know,80$ each?

Kairi December 11th, 2004 11:14 AM

IMO, batting around facts hasn’t really helped us. I can’t tell you how much a UMD holds. Or what it means. Or how fast the DS is. Or even what type of memory it uses. But neither can the vast majority of people who buy these things. People are becoming more aware, yes…but still the majority of sales are going to come from people who don’t know this stuff. And with their purchases, they’ll decide how well these two do.

There are lots of reasons. I bought a GCN because I had a positive experience with Nintendo consoles in the past. I bought a PS2, however, because of Squaresoft. I bought the PS2 only because it has exclusive titles from Square. So past experience and license are two motivators.

I bought my Xbox and Dreamcast by recommendations from friends. Positive buzz is yet another reason people buy these things. But (with the exception of the Xbox, who makes its power part of its advertising push) how able these consoles were, really. So yeah, it’s nice to have more space and power to work with, but those alone won’t decide it.

Yeah, it’s good to have the facts. More informed consumers are definitely a good thing. And you’ve very skilled at bringing those to us, Brittany. ^_^ But it’s just one part of the discussion, I feel.

billy...please don't taunt with what you call her in your quote, and settle your tone down a little. We do not need flames. And Brit, don't start anything back. You know better, right?

Brittany December 11th, 2004 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybob
Guess What?A GPS and A camera on the PSP will probably cost you I dont know,80$ each?

I'm really not that remarkable! *blushes* XD

And I wouldn't assume the worst just yet. We thought PSP was gonna be $250-400, so who is to say that they won't do the same? And even if we were to assume the worst, I think $80 would include both of them XD


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Originally Posted by Kairi
And Brit, don't start anything back. You know better, right?

Oops :P
I guess my post wasn't that bad, was it?

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 11:21 AM

Well,Sorry.But I think the DS will be better.*Leaves*

Kairi December 11th, 2004 11:27 AM

Nah, you guys are mostly fine really. ^_^ And I think most everyone in this threads thinks one or the other is better, and this won’t change it. XP It’s all in good fun to discuss it though.

John Denver December 11th, 2004 11:35 AM

Although I was REALLY looking forward to it, I was dissapointed in the DS. I mean, I think the system has a ridiculous amount of potential, but whats with the opening games? The games are great, but none of them are KILLERS...

Although I was kinda mad nintendo with their opening titles, I'm even less impressed by PSP's opening titles...frankly I don't see myself buying either one. But if I had the money, I'd go with DS.

Lucifer. December 11th, 2004 11:38 AM

Well the GBA's line-up wasn't exactly mind-blowing. Mario Advance and F-Zero were all I was interested in.

I'll only be buying Mario 64 for the DS. Until something else arrives of course.

Neo-Dragon December 11th, 2004 11:41 AM

I already have a DS, and doubt i will buy a PSP.
The DS is awesome, the touch screen is the best.....

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 11:42 AM

Dakota,the DS's BIG titles are being saved for the
PSP launch.Acually,the same Week.I Really Recommend it.

John Denver December 11th, 2004 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybob
Dakota,the DS's BIG titles are being saved for the
PSP launch.Acually,the same Week.I Really Recommend it.

I think your right, MP hunters and all...

D0000D! If they made a Melee or Zelda game for the DS, I would buy one in a SECOND!

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 12:01 PM

Zelda:Confirmed as a FS title/And I THINK they confirmed a Adventure similar to OOT/MM
Melee:I highly think so.(it would make nintendo ALOT of money.XD)

Kairi December 11th, 2004 12:04 PM

I do believe (not sure) the main force behind Melee has left Nintendo since then. So it might be possible, but I haven’t heard much. Besides…wouldn’t that be a bit odd on the DS? Yes, wireless, but touch control just doesn’t have enough variety in inputs for a fighting game.

Poke December 11th, 2004 12:05 PM

In the end, we will see who wins...... whoever wins will so which one is more popular. Graphics or features. Thiis handheld war will be big but when we see who wins (features or graphics) both handhelds will use it and then we might see who will win in the long run.

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abby
I do believe (not sure) the main force behind Melee has left Nintendo since then. So it might be possible, but I haven’t heard much. Besides…wouldn’t that be a bit odd on the DS? Yes, wireless, but touch control just doesn’t have enough variety in inputs for a fighting game.

I agree,but it is not really gonna take advantage of the TS.Just the graphics/Handheldness.

John Denver December 11th, 2004 12:13 PM

Not EVERY game needs to use the touch screen, I'd play smash without it

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakota
Not EVERY game needs to use the touch screen, I'd play smash without it

So would I.But i hope they would add new Characters/items.

Kairi December 11th, 2004 12:16 PM

Hasn’t every game so far used it in one way or the other?

Still, this raises a good point. This is a game that--even though it never would be--could be done better on the PSP. It’s a game that’s fun without the touch/dual screens. But with more space for more characters and better graphics on the PSP, it would be better on it.

I’m not saying the PSP is better period, but I’m saying…you can see where its supporters do have some merit, yeah?

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kairi
Hasn’t every game so far used it in one way or the other?

Still, this raises a good point. This is a game that--even though it never would be--could be done better on the PSP. It’s a game that’s fun without the touch/dual screens. But with more space for more characters and better graphics on the PSP, it would be better on it.

I’m not saying the PSP is better period, but I’m saying…you can see where its supporters do have some merit, yeah?

I agree.But Nintendo,with they um,crazy minds(in a good way)Will figure out a way to implement it.

Brittany December 11th, 2004 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybob
I agree.But Nintendo,with they um,crazy minds(in a good way)Will figure out a way to implement it.

What did you mean by that?

Kairi December 11th, 2004 12:42 PM

I think he just means he believe Nintendo will find a way to do smash brothers even without the processing power of the other handheld. ^_^;

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 12:45 PM

I meant Nintendo will find a cool way to use the Touch Screen/2nd screen.

John Denver December 11th, 2004 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kairi
Hasn’t every game so far used it in one way or the other?

Still, this raises a good point. This is a game that--even though it never would be--could be done better on the PSP. It’s a game that’s fun without the touch/dual screens. But with more space for more characters and better graphics on the PSP, it would be better on it.

I’m not saying the PSP is better period, but I’m saying…you can see where its supporters do have some merit, yeah?

I see where your coming from...They could just have the character selection screens on both screens, which would mean more characters...and when your actually fighting, they could just have the percentages on the bottom.

Kairi December 11th, 2004 12:48 PM

That’s an idea, but seems like kind a waste of a screen. It is something I didn’t think of, though.

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 4:23 PM

Nintendo is making a Dictionary game.It can convert over 15 languages.It will have different word gsmes and Mini games.

pokejungle December 11th, 2004 4:58 PM

A language dictionary would be awesome =3

[So would a graphing calculater!!!]

I've heard rumours of the DS getting a web browser too...

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 5:05 PM

Tis been confirmed.A calculator would be nice.I dont think the DS can handle a web browser.

pokejungle December 11th, 2004 5:10 PM

Yep, a DS can. I don't know where I heard it...but Nintendo said it would let 3rd parties make one. It would use WiFi to connect to the web.

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 5:26 PM

3rd parties?NOOO!I hate 3rd parties!(not the games,the accessorys)

pokejungle December 11th, 2004 5:29 PM

The browser would be like a game ^^;

goth_espeon3 December 11th, 2004 5:43 PM

I really can't say, I mean even though the graphics seem better on a PSP, on a DS you would be able to talk to your friends at the same time that you play...............I HAVE NO CLUE!!!

Brittany December 11th, 2004 5:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goth_espeon3
I really can't say, I mean even though the graphics seem better on a PSP, on a DS you would be able to talk to your friends at the same time that you play...............I HAVE NO CLUE!!!

The microphone is also a feature of PSP.

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 5:56 PM

Where does it say that?Me want prove!XD

Brittany December 11th, 2004 6:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybob
Where does it say that?Me want prove!XD

Holy crap XD
Check the official website.

www.playstation.com is a nice start :P

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 6:15 PM

There have NOTHING about the PSP there.XD And,just recently seeing a pic,There is a hole that reads"Microphne".XD

Brittany December 11th, 2004 6:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybob
There have NOTHING about the PSP there.XD And,just recently seeing a pic,There is a hole that reads"Microphne".XD

Go to the search button. Type in PSP. Go to News AND Media, and check PSP specifications.

Was that so hard? XD

PrOjEcT December 11th, 2004 6:44 PM

I am getting the DS because I like Nintendo more then Sony. That is the only reason. If I liked Sony, I would buy a PSP. (Not saying I don't like sony I have a Ps2)

Carlito-san December 11th, 2004 6:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ms. Prezzie
Go to the search button. Type in PSP. Go to News AND Media, and check PSP specifications.

Was that so hard? XD

Uh.....Yes?

Brittany December 11th, 2004 6:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybob
Uh.....Yes?

'tis okay. ^_^
That's exactly what I'm here for XD

pokejungle December 11th, 2004 6:54 PM

The PSP just doesn't seem as...cool...o.0;;

I know that sounds wierd, but it looks like black palm pilot + the original GBA. Kinda reminds me of the NGage...>>;


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