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Yusshin March 11th, 2011 9:03 PM

Night & Day - Seasons
 
So the introduction of seasons is a pretty cool new feature in B/W.

However, with it came the removal of Day / Night. This means (to my knowledge), regardless the time of day, Pokemon will appear always at the same rate. There's no more "Morning-only" Pokemon, or "Night-only" Pokemon. There's just Pokemon. Same rate, same percentage.

Does anyone feel that it would've been neat to have a combination of both? Bird Pokemon like Pidove who appear only in morning / early aft', Woobat who would only appear at night (outside of caves), Munna who would only appear in evening and morning... Deerling who would appear more often at dawn, less often during the day, and never at night.

Then it could be combo'd. There'd be the basic rate, and then pending the season, it could go up or down. Deerling would appear less often at all times in Winter, but Spring-Autumn, would appear at the same rate as normal. Pidove would never appear in Winter, less often in Autumn, and more often in Spring/Summer.

Shaking grass could have also been affected by this. Times of day where Pokemon shouldn't appear, they would in the shaking grass at a small chance.

Perhaps due to having a limited Pokemon base in B/W (only the new Pokemon), they opted out of this, when they shouldn't have.

Do you think they should've kept both the systems, or is it better with one / the other? Why so? Just curious who else misses Night/Day.

Meduza March 11th, 2011 9:09 PM

I did wonder why Pokemon are available at all times.

I like the idea of Pidove being available during Morning and Day, and Munna at Evening and Night.

It reminds me of R/S/E days.

solarowl March 11th, 2011 9:15 PM

Well, I guess it would be a good addition. But, don't you think it would be much more confusing (for GF)? They would have to have morning, day, and night for all seasons, for all 156 new Pokemon, and others post-game (besides events).
But I still would like it to make a comeback though. It was one of my favorite features of DPPt and HGSS.

Yusshin March 11th, 2011 9:19 PM

It wouldn't be all Pokemon - just the ones that make logical sense. Birds are sleeping at night. We don't see'em, so logically, we shouldn't be finding Pidoves or Tranquills at night-time in B/W.

It's not all Pokemon that would change. Just certain ones in regards to making it more referential to real life events, such as migration (which is why Tranquill is gone in Winter time and replaced by Vanillite), sleep patterns, etc.

Might be a couple dozen Pokemon that would've needed Night/Day edits. I don't think there are many pre-B/W Pokemon available after the Elite Four roaming around in fields, other than in swarms, and then that's covered just by being a swarm Pokemon and not a reliable spawn.

solarowl March 11th, 2011 9:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 6504851)
It wouldn't be all Pokemon - just the ones that make logical sense. Birds are sleeping at night. We don't see'em, so logically, we shouldn't be finding Pidoves or Tranquills at night-time in B/W.

It's not all Pokemon that would change. Just certain ones in regards to making it more referential to real life events, such as migration (which is why Tranquill is gone in Winter time and replaced by Vanillite), sleep patterns, etc.

Might be a couple dozen Pokemon that would've needed Night/Day edits. I don't think there are many pre-B/W Pokemon available after the Elite Four roaming around in fields, other than in swarms, and then that's covered just by being a swarm Pokemon and not a reliable spawn.

Yeah, I guess I see your point. Anyway, they might add Day/Night for the 3rd Game, so looking forward to that.

Eurydice March 11th, 2011 9:33 PM

i think it would be quite awesome if there was seasons as well as pokemon only available at day/night. but i think maybe they thought it would be to hard to keep track of all the times and seasons a pokemon would show up i know i would have to look it up if thats how it was.

Yusshin March 11th, 2011 9:34 PM

It might be more complicated, but more challenging, too, and that's what Pokemon needs because (personally) the games are aimed too much at beginners. For people who've played since R/B/Y, a good challenge after all these years would be nice, even if it is just toughening up catching Pokemon a bit.

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Eurydice March 11th, 2011 9:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 6504870)
It might be more complicated, but more challenging, too, and that's what Pokemon needs because (personally) the games are aimed too much at beginners. For people who've played since R/B/Y, a good challenge after all these years would be nice, even if it is just toughening up catching Pokemon a bit.

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ya but for people like me who only play the games at a certain time of day it makes it kinda bothersome when certain pokemon can only be caught at a certain time of day. tho the challenge would be nice.

Yusshin March 11th, 2011 9:41 PM

You can change your DS time anyway, if it poses an issue for some people. That's what I did to get Chibchyuu thing on Route 7 earlier xD

Eurydice March 11th, 2011 9:45 PM

i know you can do that but it messes up things on ss/hg/d/p/pt such as events and other stuff and i dont like messing with the date/time. tho if some of the pokemon are still obtainable in like the rustling grass then i guess it would be ok. and it would add to the challenge. maybe the third game will include something like it. as long as there is a way to obtain pokemon no matter the time even if it is a 1% chance or so.

Conman March 11th, 2011 9:46 PM

I noticed that as well when I was looking through the Pokedex. It did really bum me out.
I like seasons and everything, but the lack of importance on the time of day is a major fail.Hopefully they do combine them in a later game.

Yusshin March 11th, 2011 9:49 PM

Yeah, they'd appear in shaking grass at a low chance. Maybe 5%, since that's popular with "rare" shaking-grass Pokemon (Leavanny, Cincinno).

If it's included in "Grey", I'll be buying the third game as well just because of that lol

Satoshi Ookami March 11th, 2011 11:56 PM

It'd be cool but it'd be too much for Gamefreak to handle.
They'd have to implement everything like solarowl mentioned... =)
And we'd have to play everytime to catch all Pokemon :D

PlatinumDude March 12th, 2011 1:23 AM

I didn't know that Pokemon were available based on their seasons alone. It's just weird seeing something like Noctowl and Golbat attacking you during the daytime, when they should be attacking you during the night.

Rathalos March 12th, 2011 1:25 AM

is there still night and day though, I mean with it turning dark after 6? or is it always sunny?

SquirtleGirl March 12th, 2011 1:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 6504885)
Yeah, they'd appear in shaking grass at a low chance. Maybe 5%, since that's popular with "rare" shaking-grass Pokemon (Leavanny, Cincinno).

If it's included in "Grey", I'll be buying the third game as well just because of that lol

I was just about to mention the possible third game.
I kinda liked this feature :) It made the Pokémon more real :) I mean, Ghost pokémon in the blinding light of day? Doesn't make sense.

After all these years, this one of the features that made capturing the Pokémon more challenging :)

インフェルノの津波 March 12th, 2011 1:45 AM

Yusshin, it's pretty obvious that bird Pokemon in Unova don't sleep.

Joking aside, I didn't find Night/Day as big of a change as Seasons. Hell, I wanted seasons before Night/Day. At least Seasons change some areas.

shengar March 12th, 2011 4:15 AM

It such a lose that gamefreak remove Night/Day pokemon cycle just to add another feature. It bores me to see the same pokemon all day along. True that night/day cycle add more challenge to people(those who not like to bother themself changing their ds time anyway), bot in catching pokemon or EV train their pokemon.

lamby101 March 12th, 2011 6:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 6504825)
So the introduction of seasons is a pretty cool new feature in B/W.

However, with it came the removal of Day / Night. This means (to my knowledge), regardless the time of day, Pokemon will appear always at the same rate. There's no more "Morning-only" Pokemon, or "Night-only" Pokemon. There's just Pokemon. Same rate, same percentage.

Does anyone feel that it would've been neat to have a combination of both? Bird Pokemon like Pidove who appear only in morning / early aft', Woobat who would only appear at night (outside of caves), Munna who would only appear in evening and morning... Deerling who would appear more often at dawn, less often during the day, and never at night.

Then it could be combo'd. There'd be the basic rate, and then pending the season, it could go up or down. Deerling would appear less often at all times in Winter, but Spring-Autumn, would appear at the same rate as normal. Pidove would never appear in Winter, less often in Autumn, and more often in Spring/Summer.

Shaking grass could have also been affected by this. Times of day where Pokemon shouldn't appear, they would in the shaking grass at a small chance.

Perhaps due to having a limited Pokemon base in B/W (only the new Pokemon), they opted out of this, when they shouldn't have.

Do you think they should've kept both the systems, or is it better with one / the other? Why so? Just curious who else misses Night/Day.

I don't know why they took it out, it made it that more realistic when you saw certain pokemon appearing more often at certain parts of the day. It always seems when they add something new, with things like day and night etc, they always seem to take something out and never combine the two.

travisjb90 March 12th, 2011 6:55 AM

I really like the seasons! I don't mind that there is no change of Pokemon that you can find during time of day. I just like that it changes from day to night and that the seasons change.

Ho-Oh March 12th, 2011 7:21 AM

I'm fine with how the games are, though a day/night system would be nice ~theoretically~, but considering this is a new start and the fact that the original games didn't have a day/night system... really, you could find all 150 at once (while in B/W you can find most of the 156 Pokemon within a season + trading), so I think it really reflects back on how it originally was. Making it harder to find certain Pokemon would just ruin the effect of a brand new beginning because instead of having older Pokemon, they're all new, and restricting what you could find in two different ways (seasons and day/night) seems kinda pointless if they're trying to promote the "let's complete the pokedex mindset".

And then there's the fact that well, it's your first time in the region, wouldn't you like to be able to find everything straight away? :x

Anyway, for what was said about Deerling, that wouldn't apply. Deerling is seen as the "mascot" of seasons and thus only finding it at certain times of day kind of ruins that whole mascot idea, when it's representing seasons, aka, being able to be found at any time, but changes every month, if that makes sense.

That's just how I see it anyway, as to the reasons why they didn't include both.

Zeffy March 12th, 2011 7:30 AM

I'm not really a fan of the Night/Day system thing. Same goes with the seasons. But as long as everyone likes it, then I'm ok with it. You'd figure, by now I guess, that I wouldn't like a combination of it now, did you? If you didn't, then you deserve a pat in the back. ^o^

Yusshin March 12th, 2011 7:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 6505403)
And then there's the fact that well, it's your first time in the region, wouldn't you like to be able to find everything straight away? :x

Not necessarily. For some, I'm sure this applies, but the extra challenge and interesting spawn rates is exciting for others regardless the new generation thing.

Seasons affected very little appearance rates throughout the game (as far as I can see, and I'm about 1/2 way done). Night/Day would affect a lot more, but if C/G/S could do it on a GBC cartridge, I don't see why it would be too difficult to modifiy a couple dozen Pokemon in on a DS cartridge.

Big thing that could've at least been done is changing the tiles when it turns to night-time. It's day all the time, even when my DS clock says 11pm. I figured that would've been an obvious thing to do, but apparently not.

Pikachu-dance! March 12th, 2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rathalos (Post 6505135)
is there still night and day though, I mean with it turning dark after 6? or is it always sunny?

it still gets dark and everything i would be really peed off if it didnt because i love the night :)

Palamon March 12th, 2011 12:19 PM

I like Winter, you can get more Ice-types in Winter. I don't like Fall, that's my least favorite season--too leafish.


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