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Volroc March 17th, 2011 7:15 AM

i never really started to utilize it til AFTER my L button started to mess up on me,& now that my L button doesnt work at all i really dont mind but if i ever do get to replace my ds i will miss that option :(

EJ March 17th, 2011 7:19 AM

Never noticed it D:

I multi-task too but I just use my right hand for the DS.

Sammuthegreat March 17th, 2011 7:19 AM

I never used it myself, but now I think about it I realise it could be quite useful for one-handed multitask-playing.

The more important question is, though: WHY ON EARTH HAVE WE ONLY GOT ONE HOTKEY?! There's 4 face buttons, two shoulders and the Select/Start buttons. Clearly A and B are in use, but why do we need X to open the menu? It was far better in HG/SS as a purely touch-screen menu. And why can we not use Y, L, R AND Select to register 4 items instead of one? It's annoyed me since I can remember that you can only register one item. Imagine if we could have the Bicycle, the Map, the Super Rod AND the Vs-Seeker all just a single button press away...

Not that this is the only UI inadequacy in Pokemon games. For example, why can't we choose to Fly to a city straight from the Map screen? Instead we have to press B, go to our Pokemon list, select our Flyer, then click Fly, then find the city all over again... Urghh.

Sorry for getting off-topic. I did answer the question at the top though...

bwburke94 March 17th, 2011 8:20 AM

I never used L as A, but I don't like that they removed Start as X.

Air Pichu March 17th, 2011 8:28 AM

I used it a lot on my old DS whenmy A button was broken and usable. Even now, after I have a DSi, I still miss it.

skyluigi2 March 17th, 2011 8:54 AM

Knew about it, never used it for more than 2 minutes. Just thought it was pointless.

-Totodile42

Oblivion Wing March 17th, 2011 3:49 PM

It was a function?? Meh...

Iceshadow3317 March 17th, 2011 3:55 PM

Lol,I didn't even know there was one like that I rarely used the L anyways.

.-Notched March 17th, 2011 4:23 PM

I really don't care about that option..

Steven March 17th, 2011 4:40 PM

Well, I only used that option on my GBA SP, mainly because I generally sit my DS down on a table and play like that. I don't usually hold it, so it's easier to press A than L for A.

So I don't care.

Ho-Oh March 17th, 2011 5:10 PM

I don't really care tbh. I think it was more annoying when I accidentally pressed L for something. Though I think it's only handy when you need to do fast things in Pokemon games...and that's not very often. XD (I swear something comes to mind but I can't remember it).

Giraffe March 17th, 2011 11:18 PM

I remember using it in previous games, but to be honest, I forgot about checking if it was in Black/White.

King Gumball March 18th, 2011 12:08 AM

I don't care :/ I never really used that option anyway, so it doesn't bother me.

Bluerang1 March 18th, 2011 12:54 AM

Seeing as my L and R buttons are busted, the removal doesn't bother me much. But they didn't have to remove it.

RYOUKI March 18th, 2011 7:01 AM

There was that feature? J/K, of course i know there was such a thing. I didn't really use it so I really don't care that it's gone. I actually see no point in that. o_O

Phazon March 18th, 2011 11:03 AM

I went to turn L=A on at the first chance I got. It sucks that they removed it :/

Novia March 18th, 2011 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugg (Post 6515017)
I never used it but my cousins love it haha.
I was more annoyed by the fact that I had to hold B to run. Unlike HGSS.
And my A buttons nearly dead so I also miss the fact that you could just touch A on the screen like in HGSS :(

I know! I really miss not holding down B and the touch screen A.

I didn't even know there was an option use L as A so I don't really miss it much.

Guy March 18th, 2011 11:12 AM

When I first got White and looked for the option L = A and didn't see it, I was like "Whaaat?" D: I used that minor feature a lot when I was multitasking and playing the game in one hand. Just by habit, on occasion I still press down on 'L' as a substitute of 'A' and I realize, "Oh wait, it's not there anymore; Great!" ):

JP March 18th, 2011 11:24 AM

Never knew it even existed, but I can see how it'd be useful. Shame they got rid of it.

Imperator161 March 18th, 2011 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 6516000)
I never used L as A, but I don't like that they removed Start as X.

Exactly my feelings on the matter. I never really paid much attention to the option of setting L as A, but I've used Start as X ever since it became an option. I've used Start to activate the menu for years now, and I have no desire to change that.

fenyx4 April 14th, 2011 11:33 PM

Hmm...well, I've hardly ever used L=A in Sapphire, FireRed, or Emerald, to be honest. I remember using it once just to see what it did. XD The only time I pretty much use shoulder buttons for anything is in Super Smash Brothers (I use it sparingly in Pokemon Stadium 2, and it's essential when I play my friend's copy of Marvel vs. Capcom 3)...

However, I did press the shoulder buttons much more often in FireRed, due to the Help System (the type matchup list was very helpful when I faced obscure type matchups). The ability of the Help System acting as a "pseudo-pause button" during battles also helped.

So yeah...I hardly ever used the L=A option, as I'm an A-button masher, but it sucks for the people who did use it. It doesn't seem like it would be that much trouble to have included it in BW. :\

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugg (Post 6515017)
I never used it.
I was more annoyed by the fact that I had to hold B to run. Unlike HGSS.

This. We go from having-to-hold-B to-run, to the awesome auto-run of HGSS, and right back to having-to-hold-B-to-run. -_-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammuthegreat (Post 6515870)
I never used it myself, but now I think about it I realise it could be quite useful for one-handed multitask-playing.

The more important question is, though: WHY ON EARTH HAVE WE ONLY GOT ONE HOTKEY?! There's 4 face buttons, two shoulders and the Select/Start buttons. Clearly A and B are in use, but why do we need X to open the menu? It was far better in HG/SS as a purely touch-screen menu. And why can we not use Y, L, R AND Select to register 4 items instead of one? It's annoyed me since I can remember that you can only register one item. Imagine if we could have the Bicycle, the Map, the Super Rod AND the Vs-Seeker all just a single button press away...

Not that this is the only UI inadequacy in Pokemon games. For example, why can't we choose to Fly to a city straight from the Map screen? Instead we have to press B, go to our Pokemon list, select our Flyer, then click Fly, then find the city all over again... Urghh.

Sorry for getting off-topic. I did answer the question at the top though...

You know, I was only thinking about converting X to a hotkey button as well, but you've got a very good point. I mean, aside from the L=A people, other users basically never use the shoulder buttons, so why not give them some use. Same thing with the Select button (previously a hotkey in Generation 3). I mean, we could conceivably have 5 hotkeys by using X, Y, L-trigger, R-trigger, and Select and designate them to bring up 5 different items in the overworld!

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 6516000)
I never used L as A, but I don't like that they removed Start as X.

This. That dampened HGSS a bit for me, especially since it was present in DP and HGSS's immediate predecessor, Platinum. Now what - you only use it to advance past the title screen, or what? (and IIRC, even that function is redundant as the A button does the exact same thing)

The Start button has been the menu button since Generation 1, and Start=X alleviated things by permitting two different methods of accessing the Menu in the newer games that changed the Menu access button...

Personally, I think Start should continue being the menu (for those of us that prefer buttons as opposed to touchscreens), with Select, X and Y (and L and R, when the player isn't using L=A mode) all becoming hotkeys. When you've got three to four buttons going unused, and you have to hold two buttons just for a certain action (running) when another button could easily toggle it, it's a problem...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imperator161 (Post 6518487)
Exactly my feelings on the matter. I never really paid much attention to the option of setting L as A, but I've used Start as X ever since it became an option. I've used Start to activate the menu for years now, and I have no desire to change that.

This. I don't see the harm in keeping L=A and Start=X in the games, and I wish they would return in the future, along with HGSS's interface for touchscreen users... I guess L=A was thought to be going unused, but according to this thread, the majority opinions seem like either people used the feature like heck or people weren't even aware that it existed. XD

Jack Kentnon April 14th, 2011 11:56 PM

I always thought it was a pretty silly idea during the GBA era, and when the DS era started, I use the touch screen. So.... Yeah.

bugsy555 April 14th, 2011 11:56 PM

i miss it a lot. i loved being able to play with one hand and have a smoke in the other...i am currently writing a letter of complaint to gamefreak. heres what i have so far.
dear gamefreak,
you guys suck......

ill sort the rest out later

Misheard Whisper April 15th, 2011 2:23 AM

I always used the L=A function in previous games, and loved it. Made it so easy to play the game with one hand. It was great, and I was extremely pissed when I discovered it was gone.

s0nido April 15th, 2011 2:45 AM

It didn't really affect me. I noticed they'd removed it, but ever since they moved the start/select buttons to the other side of the console after the GBA to the NDS Lite, I never really saw the need for the button any more. I used to play one-handed using only one side of the console, since the movement buttons, the start button and the L=A button were on one side of the console. Now, they've been shifted around the console I lost the need for the L=A function. Besides, for some reason my L button always stops working in all my past DS'es. XD;


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