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Pokedragonfire December 9th, 2004 5:44 PM

A (messy) Rain Dance team
 
After a loss (I think it was 4-0) to toothache on NetBattle, I decided to acctually try to make a team. :P Okay its not much better than my old one. Okay its a mess. Please, someone clean it -_-

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Rain Dance
- Surf
- Toxic

Lanturn @ Lum Berry
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Confuse Ray
- Rain Dance
- Surf
- Thunder

Walrein @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hail
- Rest
- Surf
- Toxic

Lapras @ Lum Berry
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rain Dance
- Roar
- Surf
- Thunder

Kabutops @ White Herb
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Return
- Swords Dance

Registeel @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Amnesia
- Iron Defense
- Sandstorm
- Toxic

I know it really isn't too great, and it gets pwned by earthquake. I might add a Gyarados instead of Walrein. I'll probably still get beaten by earthquake. Also lost to a taunting, dragondancing, earthquaking, Gyarados since my Thunder missed it and my Rain Dance stopped. Maybe I need more speed too. :P

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Flying]

HoundoomTrainer December 9th, 2004 5:52 PM

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Rain Dance
- Surf
- Toxic

Stop using 129 spreads. You need to personallize those EVs more. Also, needs 198 Spd to outspeed Aero.

Lanturn @ Lum Berry
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Confuse Ray
- Rain Dance
- Surf
- Thunder

Thunderdancer. :S

Walrein @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hail
- Rest
- Surf
- Toxic

Curserein would work like a Cursepert with Ice Beam. I'd try that. Hail sucks. EVs need work.

Lapras @ Lum Berry
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rain Dance
- Roar
- Surf
- Thunder

EVs need work.

Kabutops @ White Herb
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Return
- Swords Dance

White Herb for what? @[email protected] Here's mine:

Kabutops (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk / 18 Spd / 240 SAtk
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Flail
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Rain Dance
- Surf

Outspeeds Aero.

Registeel @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Amnesia
- Iron Defense
- Sandstorm
- Toxic

I know it really isn't too great, and it gets pwned by earthquake. I might add a Gyarados instead of Walrein. I'll probably still get beaten by earthquake. Also lost to a taunting, dragondancing, earthquaking, Gyarados since my Thunder missed it and my Rain Dance stopped. Maybe I need more speed too. :P

Lol what the hell is this doing here? @[email protected]

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Flying]

Ew... Doesn't need 252 Spd and Taunt over Surf please. 264 Speed with one DD outspeeds Jolt.

-HT

Phlemingo December 9th, 2004 5:53 PM

Ludicolo - A bit more defensively inclined. And dive over surf, good stall move.

Lanturn - Give it a timid nature. + speed - attack

Walrein and registeel = No

Consider putting in a Kingdra, with the standards. For Kabutops, might I suggest the endure + salac + flail? I suppose that works ok too.
Gyarados - Good. Except, Taunt over surf. You need something to kill special sponges.

For registeel, perhaps slot in a Omastar. It has swift swim, and it has a high sp attack too. I suppose you want lanturn so you can switch into a volt absorber.
And what's up with Lapras? Maybe you should have a Jolteon in there. Sub, Thunder, Rain Dance, Wish. @ Petaya
Or perhaps include a quagsire with damp. Switch out against electrode or whatever. It can be mixed sweepage. Anyway, leave you to think about it. Hope I helped.

HoundoomTrainer December 9th, 2004 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phlemingo
Ludicolo - A bit more defensively inclined. And dive over surf, good stall move.

Dive is a horrible move to use on NetBattle.

Lanturn - Give it a timid nature. + speed - attack

Modest you mean, because Timid is awful on Lanturn.

Walrein and registeel = No

Consider putting in a Kingdra, with the standards. For Kabutops, might I suggest the endure + salac + flail? I suppose that works ok too.
Gyarados - Good. Except, Taunt over surf. You need something to kill special sponges.

Kingdra can't sweep for crap on NB.

For registeel, perhaps slot in a Omastar. It has swift swim, and it has a high sp attack too. I suppose you want lanturn so you can switch into a volt absorber.
And what's up with Lapras? Maybe you should have a Jolteon in there. Sub, Thunder, Rain Dance, Wish. @ Petaya
Or perhaps include a quagsire with damp. Switch out against electrode or whatever. It can be mixed sweepage. Anyway, leave you to think about it. Hope I helped.

-HT

Mullet December 9th, 2004 6:04 PM

I honestly wouldn't make them all Rain Dancers, becase you lack some of the staple moves on some of your Pokemon like Lapras and Lanturn are ment to be Boltbeamers.

[email protected]
Nature:+Sp. attack,-def
EVs:252 Sp. attack, 252 HP, 6 Speed
Confuse Ray/Rain Dance/Rest
T-Bolt
Ice Beam
Surf

[email protected]
Nature:Modest Trait:Swift Swim
EVs:252 Sp. def, 252 HP, 6 Sp. attack
Giga Drain
Rain Dance
Leech Seed
Ice Beam/Toxic

I perfer Ice Beam.

[email protected]/Lum Berry/Salac Berry
Nature:+Speed, -Attack
EVs:252 Sp. Attack, 252 HP, 6 Speed
Rain Dance/Confuse Ray
Ice Beam
T-bolt
Surf

This should help!

klducks December 9th, 2004 6:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokedragonfire
After a loss (I think it was 4-0) to toothache on NetBattle, I decided to acctually try to make a team. :P Okay its not much better than my old one. Okay its a mess. Please, someone clean it -_-

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Rain Dance
- Surf
- Toxic

calm nature... my evs are EVs: 208 HP / 96 Def / 58 SAtk / 148 SDef... you can pump some sp evs in from def if you want

Lanturn @ Lum Berry
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Confuse Ray
- Rain Dance
- Surf
- Thunder

c ray > rain dance, thunder bold > thunder... t wave > c ray @ leftovers... 252 hp atleast, most of the evs left should be in sp def then rest in sp attack

Walrein @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hail
- Rest
- Surf
- Toxic

surf, ice beam, yawn, sub @ leftovers... yawn then sub when they switch... annoying as hell and 101+ subs =)

Lapras @ Lum Berry
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rain Dance
- Roar
- Surf
- Thunder

surf, ice beam, t bolt, c ray is my set @ leftovers, some sp attack plz

Kabutops @ White Herb
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Return
- Swords Dance

meh, dont have white herb though...

Registeel @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Amnesia
- Iron Defense
- Sandstorm
- Toxic

I know it really isn't too great, and it gets pwned by earthquake. I might add a Gyarados instead of Walrein. I'll probably still get beaten by earthquake. Also lost to a taunting, dragondancing, earthquaking, Gyarados since my Thunder missed it and my Rain Dance stopped. Maybe I need more speed too. :P

rest > sand storm, thunder wave > toxic... stalls like hell

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Flying]

taunt > surf... you dont need that many speed evs as max speed wont outspeed jolty w/ 1 dd... pump some out of speed and put them in hp


Phlemingo December 9th, 2004 6:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoundoomTrainer
Originally Posted by Phlemingo
Ludicolo - A bit more defensively inclined. And dive over surf, good stall move.

-Dive is a horrible move to use on NetBattle.
Considering he has rain dance (rain dish) and toxic, not to mention leftovers, and if you predict that the opponent won't switch out, wanting to kill you, it's good.

Lanturn - Give it a timid nature. + speed - attack

-Modest you mean, because Timid is awful on Lanturn.
Perhaps. Not sure what Lanturn's base speed is.

Walrein and registeel = No

Consider putting in a Kingdra, with the standards. For Kabutops, might I suggest the endure + salac + flail? I suppose that works ok too.
Gyarados - Good. Except, Taunt over surf. You need something to kill special sponges.

-Kingdra can't sweep for crap on NB.
If you set up, yes. Even so if you use Hydro Pump instead. A bit haxed, yes, but I've seen it.


For registeel, perhaps slot in a Omastar. It has swift swim, and it has a high sp attack too. I suppose you want lanturn so you can switch into a volt absorber.
And what's up with Lapras? Maybe you should have a Jolteon in there. Sub, Thunder, Rain Dance, Wish. @ Petaya
Or perhaps include a quagsire with damp. Switch out against electrode or whatever. It can be mixed sweepage. Anyway, leave you to think about it. Hope I helped.


Ice demon December 9th, 2004 8:53 PM

As much as i like ur username i'm going to have to seriously disagree with u in the case of dive
all dive does is give the opponent the chance to
a. switch to a water absorber
b. boost stats with CM,SD,BD,Agility,and off course Dragon Dance
c. baton pass, sub etc

Very crappy.

Lanturn[modest]@Leftovers
EVs - hp,SpAtt,SpDef
ice beam
thunderbolt
rest
toxic/surf

Phlemingo December 9th, 2004 9:58 PM

Ok, I see your point. so I guess surf is better. My bad. o_o;

klducks December 9th, 2004 10:29 PM

i thought you knew better P. =(

Poke-Master December 10th, 2004 3:05 AM

your clean raindance team
 
Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Max out ur EVS 4 HP and defense 1st.
Ability: Swift Swim
Surf
Rain Dance
Toxic
Brick Break

Lanturn @ Leftovers
Max out the evs 4 speed and sp atk
Ability: Volt Absorb
Surf
Rain Dance
Thunder
Confuse Ray

Walrein @ SHell Bell
Max out the evs in defense and sp def
Ability: Thick Fat
Surf
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Sheer Cold

Lapras @ Leftovers
Max out the EVS in HP and Special Defense
Ability: Water absorb
surf
rain dance
thunder
body slam

kabutops @ kings rock
EVS max out with atk and spd
surf
rain dance
brick break
return

Gyarados @Leftovers
EVS Max out ATk and SPd
Surf
Rain Dance
Thunder
Earthquake

Toothache December 10th, 2004 8:04 AM

Once again, proving you have no clue what you're talking about Poke-Master...

Anyway:

[email protected] Berry
EV: 252 Speed, 252 Sp Att, 6 Sp Def
Nature: + Sp Att, - Att
Rain Dance
Hydro Pump/Surf
Giga Drain
Ice Beam

You want a sweeper, not a staller. Meet the Omastar wannabe. Ludicolo's defences and type give it enough protection and it's Special Attack is not too bad at all.

Lanturn - consider Rest over Confuse Ray if you want a bit of stalling/status defence. Otherwise, Thunderdancing works well.

Walrein - Let's give it a Swampert set...

[email protected]/Chesto Berry
EV: 252 HP, 129 Att, 129 Sp Def
Nature: + Att, - Sp Att
Curse
Rest
Earthquake
Ice Beam/Rock Slide

STAB Ice Beam can still OHKO dragons with Adamant nature.

Lapras - maybe a bit too much Thunderdancing? Don't need Rain Dance on everyone.

[email protected]
EV: 252 HP, 129 Sp Att, 129 Sp Def
Nature: + Sp Att, - Att
Surf
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt/Thunder
Rest/Roar

[email protected] Berry
EV: 252 Att, 252 Speed, 6 Def
Nature: + Speed, - Sp Att
Endure
Flail
HP Rock/Rock Slide
Brick Break

Gyarados - already been covered. Taunt is your friend

Ice demon December 10th, 2004 6:28 PM

I myself like
Kabutops[adamant]@salac berry
EVs - Sp,Def,Att
sword dance
flail
rockslide
endure/substitute

but hey brick break works fine........

blah i think rest is a must have on the tank that is lapras........

toxic/yawn are also good moves on walrein..............u know

kirby00 December 10th, 2004 10:40 PM

kingdra isnt that bad, alot of ppl use it and its pretty good, it jsut has to have raindance inorder for it to sweep well, plus it only has 1 weakness: dragon
@leftovers; *swiftswim is very helpful here*
raindance/rest
surf
ice beam
toxic

Shuckle December 11th, 2004 6:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokedragonfire
After a loss (I think it was 4-0) to toothache on NetBattle, I decided to acctually try to make a team. :P Okay its not much better than my old one. Okay its a mess. Please, someone clean it -_-
I'm a strategist not a magician so dont expect anything magical to happen except common sense.

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Rain Dance
- Surf
- Toxic
this set is outdated and should not start. =x I'd go with a huntail or gorebyss starter with rain and sweep. Anyways. If you want to stay with Ludicollo, ditch him as starter. =[ And use this set. Ludicollo @ Lum Rain Dance, Ice Beam, Surf, Giga Drain or something. btw. Gorebyss set:

Gorebyss @ Leftovers Rain Dance, Surf, Ice Beam, HP Grass. Modest/Timid


Lanturn @ Lum Berry
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Confuse Ray
- Rain Dance
- Surf
- Thunder
decent I suppose. someone brings out someone with thunder to sweep up. switch in to lanturn and heal up. I suppose it could of tanked had you not given it the wrong job, but whatever. it could still work this way.

Walrein @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hail
- Rest
- Surf
- Toxic
hm.. fire and ice. isnt it resistant to both of those? thick fat is pointless. give it anything else but that =[ Hail = Crap and it kills rain. whats the point of that. I suppose if you really want this set to work just put Rain Dance over Hail.

Lapras @ Lum Berry
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rain Dance
- Roar
- Surf
- Thunder
Ice Beam over Rain Dance.

Kabutops @ White Herb
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Return
- Swords Dance
it could work. maybe if you ditched swords dance for something it could cb?

Registeel @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Amnesia
- Iron Defense
- Sandstorm
- Toxic
since this is a raindance team I'm not rating this as it has nothing to do with raining, or dancing for that matter.



Gyarados @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Flying]
Taunt over Surf.

And for gods sake put dos over walrein.


Xilion_Sword90 December 11th, 2004 10:03 AM

Quote:

Kabutops[adamant]@salac berry
EVs - Sp,Def,Att
sword dance
flail
rockslide
endure/substitute
I just wnat to point out that with Rain Dance Tops' Speed doubles. So why Salac then? Wouldn't Liechi or Lum be better?

HoundoomTrainer December 11th, 2004 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilion_Sword90
I just wnat to point out that with Rain Dance Tops' Speed doubles. So why Salac then? Wouldn't Liechi or Lum be better?

Kabutops (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk / 18 Spd / 240 SAtk
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Flail
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Rain Dance
- Surf

8)

-HT

Spike Razzor December 11th, 2004 1:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirby00
kingdra isnt that bad, alot of ppl use it and its pretty good, it jsut has to have raindance inorder for it to sweep well, plus it only has 1 weakness: dragon
@leftovers; *swiftswim is very helpful here*
raindance/rest
surf
ice beam
toxic

Wow... Kirby actually made sense. Anways, Kingdra isn't really much of a big sweeper, but its a classic Swift Swimmer and is on most Rain Dance teams. Hydro Pump Kingdra took out one of my teams... It was a sad, sad day...

Also, Kabutops Sp.Atk SUCKS! I dunno why HoundoomTrainer said Kingdra is a crappy sweeper and then suggested Surf on Kabutops... Go for a physical attack instead, and Indure into Flail is a nice combo too, killed lots of Pokemon that way.

HellishHades December 11th, 2004 1:31 PM

228 SpAt * 1.5 (SATB) * 1.5 (Rain Dance) = 513 SpAt when using Surf

Not too shabby. Pretty good for something that physical sweeps.

HoundoomTrainer December 11th, 2004 1:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike Razzor
Wow... Kirby actually made sense. Anways, Kingdra isn't really much of a big sweeper, but its a classic Swift Swimmer and is on most Rain Dance teams. Hydro Pump Kingdra took out one of my teams... It was a sad, sad day...

Also, Kabutops Sp.Atk SUCKS! I dunno why HoundoomTrainer said Kingdra is a crappy sweeper and then suggested Surf on Kabutops... Go for a physical attack instead, and Indure into Flail is a nice combo too, killed lots of Pokemon that way.

See HellishHades' post.

Also, ever try Kingdra on NetBattle? It gets laughed at, including by my team. :)

-HT

Spike Razzor December 11th, 2004 1:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellishHades
228 SpAt * 1.5 (SATB) * 1.5 (Rain Dance) = 513 SpAt when using Surf

Not too shabby. Pretty good for something that physical sweeps.

What good will that do when Venasaur or Quagsire comes out to play?

HoundoomTrainer December 11th, 2004 2:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike Razzor
What good will that do when Venasaur or Quagsire comes out to play?

Then you SWITCH!

:D

-HT

klducks December 11th, 2004 2:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoundoomTrainer
Then you SWITCH!

:D

-HT

hey there quaggy/lapras/starmie/cune/etc... w/ stabbed surf + rain dance

Phlemingo December 11th, 2004 9:43 PM

I like a sub/flail or endure/flail Kabutops... with some physical moves. You should have some physical attacks in a rain dance team, or blissey laughs at you.

Shuckle December 12th, 2004 6:10 AM

In order to make this a successful team you must cover up your weaknesses i.e. the ones thoughtfully listed out by ducks and by Thunder'ers. :p By that I mean remake this team from the bottom. In fact I'll make a RainDance team and try to show you peoples how to do it. ;D

Of course it'll have to go through rigorous testing before it can be done perfectly but whatever. :p


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