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Underpowered Starters.
I have a Pignite at this moment and time and I'm highly disappointed in how often he dies. His nature applies quite a bit of defense and even then normal attacks that shouldn't harm him very much are just demolishing the thing.
Because of this I am probably going to box him as soon as I get my Heatmor, but that is really far in the future. Does anyone else feel as though their starter is extremely weak in comparison to Pokemon almost 10 levels lower than their own? |
No, Not really. Quite happy with my samurott, it's pretty damn strong.
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I only really send in my Serperior against types he's supereffective against, so nope.
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Servine murders everything, but I might switch out with Whimsicott.
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Actually my starter in all games are my strongest but if you have a bad type advatage or bad moves that may be why he's not very strong
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Emboar was always one of the best Pokemon on my team, but as the game progressed he became less and less useful, so I replaced him. I don't think Emboar is under-powered though.
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I was slightly disappointed with Verde my Servine. Way back when (2 weeks ago) when he was a Snivy fresh from the lab, he absolutely decimated. Sadly, over time he seemed to lag behind in terms of power. By the time I reached Victory Road I had to sub him in for Pawniard (now Bisharp). Ironically, she's also kinda underpowered.
I don't whether she just had unlucky IVs or what, but I was really disappointed, because I loved the design of their Evo chain. |
LOL Emboar is incredibly powerful and the best starter of the 3
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Maybe it was just the stats my Tepig received in the beginning or my playing style doesn't match up with how he's going. However, I'm going to evolve him and then box him. Below is the team I'm working on instead, I will eventually add a Heatmor.
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still haven't reached that far in the game at all. But I have to say it just be bad IV's-- bad luck for you.
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My Servine was pretty good, but I replaced it with Sawsbuck because, face it, high ATK+Horn Leech+Leech Seed=in-game hax
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Nope my Oshawott has always been the clutch of my team basically. He can always pull through in the tight spots.. Hes a Dewott now, almost a Samurott and once that comes he's going to be unstoppable. His adamant nature has definitely given him the egde with razor shell though.
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I don't think they are really underpowered but there are tons of better choices for their types available.
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Yeah Starter are usually designed to be somewhat strong pokemonfor you to have. Because come onimagine starting the game with a patrat.
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My Samurott is a BEAST, its not the Pokemon that's weak, its how difficult the NPC's are this time around. They up'd the difficulty a lot.
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I actually don't. My Emboar is the strongest member of my team. Serperior and Samurott, however, are really weak and die easily. I dunno, I think Emboar's moveset and the fact that Brick Break is a good move to use in Unova helps me most of the time though. Actually, I think Emboar is stronger than most other past generation starters, actually. So yeah I'm the opposite. XD;
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The only Pokemon I've had trouble with (fainting ALOT) was my Lillipup...I found I was going to the Pokemon Center A CRAP TON when I was trying to train it.
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I felt Serperior was underpowered. I felt it slowly becoming weaker. Emboar was pretty good, but I prefer Samurott.
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He's meant to be a mixed attacker |
Well I've used all 3 a lot(but I've used Serperior the most), and I'd say that Emboar has the crappiest defense ever. IMO, 2 of the starters have really large weak points. Emboar's horrid defense, and Serperior's bad Attack stats. Although, Emboar's Attack stat and Serperior's beast speed and more than decent Defenses almost make up for it. Each time I used Emboar, I ended up switching him out for Darmanitan or Chandelure. I've used Serperior as a starter 3 times(I've played through the game like 7 times), and I've taken him out once for a Ferroseed(With rugged helmet <3). The 2 times I took out those 2 pokemon, my team just got WAY better. I'd say Samurott is the best. :D
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Emboar is statistically better
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You kidding? Even as a Snivy, my starter has done amazingly well. She can hold her own very well, as well as initiate damage however she wants. The Eviolite or however you spell it [Evolution Stone] was amazing on my last starter [which was also a Snivy], as well as the Snivy I have now. Though they can hold up fairly well on their own I find. I guess as long as you're careful and practiced in battle, you can hold them up longer. :3 |
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I don't understand why everyone's citing "bad IVs" as a reason for a bad Pokemon. Perfect IVs only add up to 31 of a stat compared to 0 IVs, and that's at level 100. As a low-level Pokemon, it would have no more than 5 or 6 of a stat lower than it could, and that's nothing. Anyway, I picked Samurott as my original starter and that was pretty beast. I couldn't be bothered getting Swords Dance up half the time though, so he was somewhat underpowered, but he was good nonetheless. Emboar is powerful, but a bit weak defensively. Thankfully, however, he has enough HP to not make that a big problem. I haven't used Serperior personally, but through my theorymonning, he looks somewhat weak. 75 base Sp/Att is kinda low, and I can't say his movepool is amazing... |
Personally, I've had no problems with my Samurott, and most likely never will. It's almost with Level 100 and I haven't noticed a single flaw with it. I use it on almost everything, and it usually beats its opponents. I think Emboar is pretty good - keep it. It gets an amazing power boost when it evolves. Serperior is kind of lackluster in everything stat-wise, however I did use it before, noticing a few problems here and there but I was still able to finish the game.
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Anyway, on topic, Samurott beats the crap out of Emboar due to Swords Dance + Shell Blade(Possibly even without Swords dance), the only real issue here would be Emboar's HP, which shouldn't be too big of a problem if they haven't boosted Defenses at all. And it can destroy Serperior if it can survive the first(Maybe even second) hit. |
I haven't tried any of the other starters besides Snivy. But Ivy the Serperior has saved my butt plenty of times in the game, and can kill stuff pretty quick with a Coil or two under his belt. :D
I might try the other two. Samurott looks awesome, while I'm not too good a fan of Emboar.... |
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My Samurott was complete balls compared to other Pokemon I trained on my team. The moves he learned over the course of the game left much to be desired and I found myself wanting another water type later on. After the Elite Four my Samurott just turned into an HM slave.
I found it more rewarding training other Pokemon like Darmanitan, Excadrill, Reuniclus and the like. They had much more impact on battles than my starter :) |
My tepig with adamant nature is actually pretty darn strong. especially after maxing out it's attack. Go Tepig!!!
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I like Tepig the most honestly and currently using him atm. He can use both attacking stats and Fight/Fire has great coverage. Grass Knot is pretty nifty to have around too hitting waters hard. He's a little slow but Flame Charge helps in regards to that. Definitely the most powerful of the starters, when it evolves into Pignite is has base 93 Attack, BASE 93! Thats two away from Kingdra and more than Nidoking and its not even fully evolved, insane lol.
EDIT: The reason he is underpowered, or seems it is simply because his moves have low base power. Arm Thrust and Flame Charge are rather weak even by early-mid game stadards so he needs TMing junk like Brick Break etc. |
I don't think the starters are underpowered. My Pignite is really strong!
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My Oshawott was a star player. As a Dewott, she pulled her weight well. As a Samurott . . . somehow, not so much. She fell behind in terms of levels, and now she's little more than a vehicle (Surf/Waterfall). It just . . . didn't happen. I have too much junk I want in my team now . . . and what with the Dratini I ported over from Platinum, and the Druddigon and Deino I just caught . . . thinking of an all-Dragon team.
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Well, I beat the E4 using mainly my Serperior (a.k.a : Jarooda) so I wouldn't say mine/he was underpowered. ~u~b
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Absolutely not. My Serperior muders anything. But it only has physical attacks and when I boost its power with Coil it definitely KO's even Arceus. And having it use Return is also a good addition.
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I think they're underpowered compared to older gen starters.
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I own a Pignite too, and her Defence stat is pathetic -- She can hardly stay in battle for more than a minute. I'm not the best at EV training, either. I took her off my Team yesterday, as she wasn't any help in battle at all. /Regrets picking Tepig. D: |
My Samurott Dies a lot two... but it's attacks are a tad powerful
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my serperior is probably the stongest on my team and probably the lowest level out of them all
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That's why I regret picking Tepig hah, but my current team makes up for his fail. Not like you HAVE to stick w/ him yknow.
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I don't know much about competitive battling and such but my Serperior saved my ass many times with the E4 and Ghetsis. I like the fact that he actually has some defenses, unlike certain other pokemon on my team. Yes, I'm looking at you Swoobat!
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I've played through the games with all 3 starters, and I must say that Tepig and Oshawott aren't that good compared to Snivy.
I've used Snivy more through out the game, he's actually a head of all my other Pokemon, whilst Emboar and Samurott would fall way behind. |
Yeah I was sad they are the weakest set of starters, even though they look like the strongest design wise. But at least they all have even stats, 528, this time.
Game wise I didn't notice that the were weaker than usual, my Serperior fair very well in battle. iirc Unova has the weakest set, and Hoenn has the strongest. |
I can name at least 2 good replacements for each of the starters, and a few others, but I still enjoy using them. I'm debating if I want to rid myself of Servine. :>
Emboar - Darmanitan, Chandelure, Volcarona Samurott - Jellicent, Carracosta, (Seismitoad?) Serperior - Whimsicott, Lilligant, (Leavanny?) |
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I choose Oshawoot as my starter, and i didn't feel a single time in my playthrough that he was too weak, i had that problem occur with other in my team, but nothing at all with my starter, he got the job done.
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I've been pretty happy with my Samurott, not really taken to him like other starters, I've only kept him in my team because I feel like I have to due to him being a starter.
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I was actually never reall disappointed with my Emboar/preceeding evolutions. There are some moves I wish it would have learned- Arm Thrust just isn't a good enough Fighting move for me, and I have to wait til winter before I can get Brick Break (I think). But I was pretty happy with Emboar, overall, I managed to sweep through a lot of battles with him alone.
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Take a look at their base stats: (Emboar in Red, Heatmor in orange) HP: 110 / 85 - difference of 25 in Emboar's favour Attack: 123 / 97 - difference of 26 in Emboar's favour Defense: 65 / 66 - difference of 1 in Heatmor's favour Sp. Atk: 100 / 105 - difference of 5 in Heatmor's favour Sp. Def: 65 / 66 - difference of 1 in Heatmor's favour Speed: 65 / 65 - no difference. Comparitively, Emboar is a much better physical attacker than Heatmor whereas Heatmor is constructed more for special attacks; however, the difference between their special attack stats is almost negligible. The advantage Heatmor has over Emboar in terms of defense and special defense is, on the other hand, extremely negligible. With greater HP and attack, Emboar boasts far more destructive power with physical attacks like Flare Blitz and Brick Break, not to mention his dual-typing of Fire/Fighting which gives you more coverage overall; with Blaze in play, Emboar's capacity excels even further. Heatmor packs a silly 5 special attack more than Emboar, which is hardly worth giving up all of the previously mentioned advantages that using Emboar as opposed to Heatmor provides. They both have really terrible defense and speed though. Essentially, what I'm trying to say is: I wouldn't really advise swapping out Emboar for Heatmor because you're not going to be better off. If your style of play is more suited for adapting Heatmor to your team though, by all means, feel free. |
My Tepig and his evolutions utterly demolished everything. Like, no joke he is/was beast. I... don't know what you're doing wrong, as I recall my Tepig fainting maybe /once/ during the /entire game/. Given, I stopped using him much around half way through.
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Yea...Daikenki is the strongest Isshu starter
the pig and snake...not so much but I guess it depends on how you play the game because I over level my teams for the Gyms Level 40 pokemon? meet level 50 |
I don't think the starters are underpowered. My Oshawott is very strong!
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I never really used the starters throughout my journey, but they seem reliable. They actually seem quite reliable, and somewhat like the 4th gen starters in terms of reliability. I mean, Serperior is pretty much a defensive threat which can dish out awesome attacks with Coil support, Emboar is essentially a fire type Hariyama, which helps in situations, and Samurott seems like a sturdy, but semi-fast hard hitter.
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I wouldn't say underpowered. Well, this is just ingame anyways. Almost anything works ingame, if you train it well and give it good moves. A good nature and some EV training would help, but you can survive without doing that. I use my starters for every journey of mine. Actually, it takes me a lot of time to decide what starter to get.
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I think Emboar is just so slow. Every other thing gets to attack him first. Of course mine is a traded one from GTS, wearing lucky egg (Huge XP!). However My starter was Snivy and while its very fast and with Coil it is a beast vs things that its grass moves are good against it doesn't get much apart from grass.
Anyway my main one I used was lilipup which is now a 57 Stoutland and did wonders all through the game. Im at Victory road but havn't defeated any of the elite 4 yet as im training other pokemon I got through GTS (Faster leveling). But anyway sorry to go offtopic but I think Emboar is powerful but he is very slow, so other pokemon hit it often first, which is why it gets damaged alot. |
Weaker than all the other starters before it? Mostly. Underpowered in general? No. Emboar is normally made to smash away huge chunks of HP from defensive Pokemon in a battle so sweepers can come in and finish the job.
Yes, Emboar is rather slow. Not that I care!:) |
I've been playing with Emboar for a while, and he massacred practically everything in its way. I guess it depends how you raised it.
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Depends on your playstyle I guess. My Servine JUST. DOESN'T. DIE, which makes it really something compared to the other starters. Now if it only didn't have such lackluster coverage...
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I agree! I've got all three starters and i do find they are weaker than the starters from previous gens...apart from my dewott, he's beast! :D
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before my samourott was underpowered when it was first evolve but it got strong by learning strong water attacks when it was last evolve.
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I only played the game with Snivy so far and it was pretty gruelling at first, the game isn't easy when you need to rely on tackle, vine whip and wrap. Leaf Tornado didn't have enough PP either so my starter kinda fell behind the rest of my team when I ran out of PP for Leaf Tornado until I got Leaf Blade. After you get Leaf Blade and Giga Drain, it's pretty smooth sailing from there.
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Yeah. I love leaf blade, since its got nice PP/power :)
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Its pretty obvious the pig is completely worthless :/
But i swept Cynthias entire team with just my serperier who was 10levels lower than all her pokemon during the course of the entire fight, i was laughing my ass off about how my snake could 2shot an eagle,and 1shot a garchomp XD Coil is by far the best status move yet. |
My best friend felt the same way with Pignite, and he told me that a few of his friends had the same problem that Pignite just keep on fainting. Luckily I did not have this problem because I started out with Oshawott and he showed no problems at all
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You are using your Pignite wrong. Mine hardly ever dies, it actually survives with red health most of the time.
Emboar is really only underpowered when you fight a special attacker. He can hardly live those kinds of hits. Ive no real problem with physical hits though. |
I don't find Dewott underpowered at all. It learns a base 75 power attack early at level 17 (Razor Shell as Oshawott before evolving). It's OHKOed-2HKOed almost everything it encountered with that move, with Water Pulse as a backup STAB. It also has Revenge and Fury Cutter, but I stick to its STABs for attacking.
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Really Servine was actually quite powerful. But then again I only sent it out for types it was super-effective against. Honestly most of the Pokemon at the beginning have quite a low defence so it's fairly even.
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Serperior by far is not underpowered, it has the best stat division I've seen for a grass type other than Whimsicott! Coil takes out everything. |
I was quite happy with my Samurott. Razor Shell was a really powerful move for a long time, and later when I got Surf I knew exactly who would learn it.
But then again, I used really few pokemons through almost the whole story, so Samurott ended up pretty overlevled. |
I replaced my Emboar with the most ****in' Fire starter ever, CHARIZARD <3
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My Samurott (after the E4) seemed to always be my lowest leveled Pokémon, don't know why :(
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ITT: ridiculous generalizations.
Emboar is a monster. Mine has only fainted a few times. I've tanked so much with him and even beat Clay's Excadrill. Serperior, on the other hand, I felt was ridiculously underpowered. I keep hearing "use Coil" but I'd much rather not rely on a stat buff when grass types have weaknesses to five types. I haven't used Samurott much but he's definitely a nice asset to teams and generally reliable. |
Equipping an Eviolite to a middle stage starter is one of those things i like to do. Especially on the slow (at first, Flame Charge) Pignite.
Pignite and Emboar pretty much rely on the foe being paralyzed OR being slower. By slower I mean that piggy should have used Flame Charge once or twice. Makes me wonder if Eviolite Wartortle is as good a Rapid Spinner as I think it is. Samurott was awesome with Aqua Jet & Razor Shell. paired decently with Basculin, though I usually box Samurott because Basculin is just awesome with Adaptability, Waterfall, Aqua Jet, Soak, Crunch. Found a Basculin with Hidden Power Psychic 68, heh. |
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