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UGH! Liepard is so hard to train!
Before playing Black and White, I always had interest in catching and raising a Purrloin. After finally catching one, I realized how hard it was to gain experience and level up, so I ended up giving up on training it.
What are some Pokémon in Black and White you found difficult to grind with? Discuss, discuss, discuss! |
Any pokemon with a low defense stat is really annoying to train, because they constantly faint which means running back and forth to the pokecenter every few minutes.
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Blitzle was the first one I had a tough time with. Thankfully, once it evolved to a Zebstrika it was so much easier to deal with. Minccino was the other one. Because of it's incredibly low defense (it was the same with Blitzle) it would continuously die, and it didn't help that 'Sing' didn't like to work half the time (70% accuracy my butt). When it evolved though, Sing seemed to gain accuracy with me and it was easier in general. It still has a problem fainting though, haha~
The other four on my team (because they're all really who I've trained) have in general were much easier to train than those two. |
I had trouble initially with Klink. He was pretty weak compared to the other wild pokemon and it drove me nuts. At least I had the lucky egg to help it along.
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During my first playthrough of White, I decided that Liepard is probably the worst fully-evolved Pokemon in the 5th gen. It goes down easily and even when it does hit you, it does almost nothing. It kinda reminds me of Mightyena.
I didn't find any of my Pokemon hard to level tbh :s. |
purrloin is the only pokemon i found hard to train. it kept dying so i finally gave up
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I've actually raised 3 Liepards (on 3 separate save files) one to Level 39, another to Level 51 or 52 and my current Liepard is Level 61, once she starts learning hard hitting moves like Sucker Punch and Shadow Claw, she's great!
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Liepard gave me a though time but not she's one of the strongest pokemon in my team. Instead, I have a hard time with Gothorita and Litwick. They are fainting too easily...
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I had such a difficult time training my Purrloin near the beginning of the game. I persevered, though, with the preconception that Purrloin was the 5th Generation's version of Magikarp [hard to train but well worth it], and when it finally evolved into a Liepard at level 20, I was not amused.
Liepard is a joke. |
Purrloin was the very first Pokemon I caught, and she really wasn't that hard to train. Come on guys, you get two exp shares and a lucky egg in the game. When you throw in the new exp system nothing's hard to train anymore.
Liepard's Fake Out was invaluable, and it became a very helpful member of my team once it learned stronger moves. |
purrloin was the most difficult pokemon to evolve...even though it evolved in level 20....
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Liepard has somewhat bad stats, so that explains it. Zoroark does it's job way better!
Mine is Tirtouga, only because I've been training it near grass. It will be an epic Carracosta though :) 3 more levels! |
Yeah Liepard is hard to raise. It was still a purrlolin when I got rid of it. It never really helped me at all
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I gave up on my Liepard too. :/ Ever since I got the Lucky Egg, I've been using to train my Pokemon so I'm not really sure which one was hard to train.
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Blitzle was tough for me, due to it's low defenses. It got better when it evolved, but I still wound up swapping it for Galvantula later.
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On top of this, I had problems in the beginning training up my beloved Scraggy: less because it took ages to level up, but it doesn't evolve for ages, is quite slow and has very little HP despite its relatively high defences. Far from giving up on it, though, maybe it was the fact that it kept fainting that it endeared it to me. I love me some Scraggy (and Scrafty for that matter)! |
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I just started White on Saturday, and so far, Purrloin has been my least favorite Pokemon to train. I finally evolved it into Liepard, and while I feel like I should keep training it after all that effort, I think it's going to be one of those Pokedex completion Pokemon that sits in my PC from now on. Who knows, maybe I'll Audino grind it later, if I feel inspired/have too much time on my hands...
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Tynamo, Tynamo, Tynamo. >.< It looks promising on paper. No weakness, great movepool, etc. I knew it'd be hard to train in the first stage, but I figured once it evolved for the first time things would pick up. Nope. :< It was TERRIBLE to train clear through, and I finally abandoned it at Lv. 40. (The rest of my team was in the 50s.)
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I gave up on Purrloin and Blitzle too. Both were weaker than expected in Attack, and even weaker than feared in Defence. I also gave up on my Scolipede at about Lv.32, but that was because I came across new and better team members like Sandile (now a Krookodile, my best Pokemon) and my Galvantula.
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My Deino was hard to train before it evolved. Mainly because it fainted from Audino's Take Down. It was also really slow so I couldn't run from wild battles.
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The hardest pokemon I found to raise was Tynamo, since he's pretty pathetic until he evolves, but it takes some time... I'm also finding that getting a Hydregion is painfully hard...
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I found Vanillite hard to train after I caught it in the Cold Storage, and I had realized I would need a good ice type Pokemon for the last gym. When I started training it, it fainted very frequently, and I decided to just give it an Exp. Share because it wasn't worth trying to train. Once it got to the higher levels, it got more HP, and I was able to pretty much 1-hit KO the Dragon-type Pokemon in Iris' (Drayden's if you have Black) gym. Still, my Vanillish is hard to train and I still have the Exp. Share on it.
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My Abagoora Carracosta and Zebstrika felt like they were made of glass the way they kept fainting after one or two battles. When I used these two everything I went up against seemed tough enough to whittle me down or too fast and too strong for me to have a chance.
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I've never trained a Purloin from the beginning so I wouldn't know, when I first got Black in Japanese I trained Blitzle and Darumakka, worst days ever, they died at every hit. D: Once they evolved they were good though.
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Carracosta >_>. Nice defence but just kept on dying from all those fast special attacks. If not for his Study ability he would be OHKOed.
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My entire team
Seriously though, I can't seem to click with any team. Everything I catch seems to faint immediately so I end up ditching them out of frustration. I'm still training on early routes but my Pokémon aren't doing their job. D: The main Pokémon for me was Liepard. Mine had a Jolly nature and high IVs but it was still unbearably weak. I really hate it since I spent so much time trying to make it better, lol. Others include Blitzle, Pansear, Dewott, Timburr, Cottonee and Drilbur (though I'm still using the last two). I've actually been forced to trade online in order to get a Ducklett. It's probably my best Pokémon though I don't really like it. x) |
Same as BinaryPeaches, i had a hard time training Blitzle up untill it evolved, it just kept dieing so much, i really was so close to just giving up on it, and put in back into the computer and get something else.
Funny thing tho, when i got it to level 32 or so, i actually threw it in the computer anyway, since i wanted to change my team a bit, to be better overall. |
I've trained a little less than half of the Unova Pokemon, and I gotta say...damn. lol It's awful at first, I'm telling ya. Drilbur was horrible til I finally got it to evolve at 31. Don't get me started on Liepard/Purrloin and Minccino though, omg. I ditched them in White because DYING. ALL THE TIME. I'm ditching Swoobat for Elgyem/Beheeyem in Black because...well, those stats are atrocious and Swoobat was meant to be a placeholder anyway. But for a while, I considered keeping it around, but I spoke too soon. It started to suck afterwards.
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The pre evolution of vanilluxe and hiyappu. They took me forever to train. -_-
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At the moment...probably Deino. A lot of Pokemon around high levels from the wild are really hard to train and it's actually easier if they're weaker, it's so illogical, lol.
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My Blitzle's actually doing pretty well. I think at the moment, it'd have to be my Woobat; she can't take many hits at all and I basically only leave her out there when she has type advantage.
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For me, it would have to be Yamask. I train mainly by knocking out a bunch of Audino, and since Yamask only learn Ghost-type moves for the longest time, it could never hurt the Audino. :/ I had to use Exp. Shares and switch it out with other Pokémon for it to gain experience and it just took too long. Furthermore, although it had high defenses, its attacking stats weren't fantastic, and I never had too much of a use for it on my teams. I switched it for a Litwick and I've never looked back since.
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I gave up on my Liepard at level 29 and my Zebstrika got booted out after the elite four. They just weren't working on my team. I instead traded and ev trained gible from my plantinum and evolved it into a powerful garchomp.
But yeah, I didn't have the patience to deal wit Liepard. I agree that Gothorita is difficult, but so is Gothiselle. She had low attack and low special Attack for a psychic, but her special defense is awesome so I'm keeping her around. |
My Yamask was really hard to train. I guess some ghost types are had to train. :\
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For me Yamask was actually pretty easy to bring up.. right now its this Meinfoo thats giving me so much trouble. If his first move doesn't take them out he normally dies if he gets hit by a move, unless its not very effective of course
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I gave up on my purrloin since it was holding my team back Dx I was having a hard time with blitzle too, but after I caught another one if performed much better xD usually became my finisher, but now its my backup in case a lot of my team faints
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my duosion which is now a reuniclus and my pawniard now a bisharp.
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i only had issues with Pidove and Tynamo.
Left Purrloin in the Daycare. by the time i had noticed I could breed, it was up to Lv38 when I went to collect. I just opted to Quick Ball a Liepard though. |
Believe it or not, Samurott. After I beat Skyla, I got sick of it's poor type coverage and got myself a Carracosta.
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Well all my team, seeing as how fast Archeops moves up the levels XD Archeops levels so easily, so my team are always trying to catch up. But mainly my Musharna, it levels up so sloww. I will give it the Lucky Egg after Litwick evolves.
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Purloin was the same for me, gave up when it got to level 12 I think.
To be honest anything with a low attack stat I find difficult, purely because it takes a few moves to knock something out, leaving the other pokemon with the opportunity to do some damage, resulting in a lot of trips to the poke centre. |
If you're having trouble levelling up an un-evolved pokemon, the Eviolite can make a huge difference.
Blitzle again here. I gave up on it at lv 16 though, lol. |
So far my Liepard is my hardest to train... but i am sticking with it. Not giving up at all.
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Training Tynamo was really hard. Low defenses made sure that she'd faint every other minute and her attacks didn't do much damage either.
But now she's a Eelektrik. It was worth it. |
I found Vanillite hard to train. When I caught it, I'm all like "om nom nom ice cream" and I thought it would be fun, but nope. It's a complete ass to train, and I didn't like training it, even if it was only for one level. I then ditched that Vanillite for Sigilyph.
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Why Liepard?
It has poor stats! It's not the only Pokemon with fake out neither. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I found Monozu an entire nightmare to train. Due to its ability, it keeps missing the opponent, and it takes forever to evolve into hydreigon... Quote:
That way it's far better to train. |
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Agggh! Tynamo is being a pain in the ass to level up. It can't fight anything around Route 7 (or 8) without fainting, so I have to keep switching the darn thing out. This Pokemon better be worth training!
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My Liepard is still going strong. I'm still trying figure out why everyone is still having a hard time with it.
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I found blitz annoying to train because it keeps on dying and I had to keep on going to the Pokemon center but I didn't give up on it because when it evolves It was very good at attack then defense but It also was cool.I actually gave up on training Woobat because it wasn't that good for me to use even though it's psychic and flying type.
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I'm going to be completely different and say that Pansear was a PITA to train when I first played through the game. During the main game, I like Pokemon that can attack strong and take a hit. Pansear couldn't do either one of those things, so I boxed it.
Currently, I'm finding the same with Vanillite, though the one I have now is at a lower level than the rest of my team. Still, it's taking forever to raise, and it didn't come with great attacks. |
I found Lillipup difficult. I liked it despite it being normal cos it picks things up. Reminded me of meowth ^.^ but the moves he learns are so weak. I finally just gavee him experience share item and let him sit in the back of the team. Just a bit ago he finally hit level 36 and learned Last Resort and I let him evolve. I'm thankful cos now he can learn some better TM and HM moves. Of coarse now he doesn't have the ability I found so endearing.
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Blitzle. I caught one on Route 3, and then it got KO'd by a Pidove. Twice.
An electric type got its ass handed to it by a flying type. "WHY GOD! WHY?! WHY DEFY YOUR OWN LAWS TO CAUSE ME FRUSTRATION?!" I screamed at the heavens before putting it in the convenient Day Care Center, and then taking it out in time to fight Lenora, having aged about, say, 5 levels. So, basically, I chickened out on him early on, and then found him to be a beast at fighting and catching Pokes the second he got Thunder Wave and Flame Charge. Noob out. |
Right now in my Pokemon Black I was trying to train a Deino and Tynamo on my team but WOW are they annoying to train. -___- I got Quilava, Charmeleon, Vaporeon and Servine on my team and they are so much faster at leveling up and sooo much stronger. Deino is soooooo slow at growing levels... And Tynamo with his 4 moves is pathetic. I wanna ditch Deino but I'm not sure about Tynamo.. Anyone know if Tynamo's gonna be worth training or should I just ditch him?
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The Pokémon I had most trouble training was my Solosis because of it's low Speed stat and shocking move pool at such a low level it just wasn't able to defeat anything.
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Ferrothorn. Generally I find that low attack and high defense pokemon are a pain for fast leveling.
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For me, it's Timburr.
Really powerful when it hits, but soooo slow, and made of bread. Mostly of the time he went 2HKOed, so I gave up using him at Lv. 22 or something. |
My Blitzle was hard to train, but it didn't suck so much that I gave up. And I must say, I am not disappointed with Zebrastrika. However, there were two Pokemon I did have to give up on: Muna and Purrlion, both for the same reason: They can't take a hit, at all.
That seems to be the problem with a lot of Gen 5 Pokemon, isn't it? |
I find this generation extremely easy to train pokemon. you can get two xp shares and a lucky egg? this is the first generation where ive constantly had my pokes 5 levels higher than every gym leader. maybe im just a grinding *****, but i was definitely not the first 4 generations.
and i found munna really easy to train, he was my most realiable one for a bit there. his ability to use psybeam with solid early game def, HP and spec def, in addition too moonlight and hypnosis.. i <3ed it. i have not train a purrloin yet, but when i was messing around with him he did seem to die a bit more than my starter. you could always wait and xp share it though. :) |
I was having some difficulty with my female Purrloin at first, but then I taught it attract. Now my strategy in battle is to use attract if the opposing pokemon is male and then use sand attack like crazy and it actually worked out pretty well. It just evolved into Liepard yesterday but I haven't had the chance to use it yet. I have several other pokemon with dark moves though, so there is a chance that I may swap it out for something else later on down the road but for now it seems to be an adequate performer.
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i stopped trying with my purrloin :L
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Audino, Patrat and Munna were hard fer meh tew train. Also Audino wuz oun of the more useless Pokemon.
As owf naoo, I'm traning mai second Vanillish which I named Gothitelle. Training hur is nawt hard, keeping hur smawl is the hardest part. |
I'm finding my Accelgor hard to train as it doesn't have any good moves yet...
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im at that difficult level area of high forties low fifties with my haxorus.
it seem impossible to train until high sixties, which is when i sky rocket in levels against the E4. like from 67 to 92 in a few hours. but i really hate that middle level range. it ticks me off. |
I WANT TO PUNCH EVERY DEINO IN THE FACE.
level sixty-goddamn-four. ;_; I was pretty much going through the Unova Dex in order, training everything up and then moving on to the next missing Pokémon. I was whining about all the ones that evolved at level 40 and then got to Deino and saw what it needed to get to Hydreigon and just UGH. Never again. It took me like a week because I really didn't want to just run around waiting for shaking patches of Audino but my Deino (and its evo whose name I forget right now) couldn't hold its own in most battles so it took forever with exp share or lucky egg. |
I didn't think Deino was all that hard to train. In fact to me it felt like a breeze. I guess it really was all bout the items I had equipped to it and the areas I was training. I find if you are really having trouble just get a traded pokemon and throw lucky egg on it. Works like a charm.
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Are you serious?
Have you ever caught one pokemon you thought was going to be amazing. You looked forward to it; you planned your team around him/her but ultimately when you finally got your hands on the pokemon and used him/her you were let down.
Okay guys, which pokemon has let you down the most? Mine would be Serperior on White...I expected more from him but I felt he was too weak for my tastes and ultimately I ended up dropping him for a Shiny Deino I found on Victory Road. :# |
Tirtouga let me down soooo much. :( I thought it would be good because it had great attack and defense stats, but it's honestly been the weakest link on my team. I'm waiting till I can switch it out for something better. XD
The Pidove line kinda let me down as well, mainly because they're physical attackers but don't actually learn a physical Flying move until... never, I think. :x Its Sp. Attack stat isn't even that great; it can't take advantage of the special Flying moves it learns. You can teach it Pluck and Aerial Ace but not Acrobatics which kinda bummed me out, too. |
On my first playthrough of White, I caught whatever the pre-evo of Zebstrika is, I'm completely blanking on the name right now. I thought it was awesome that you could get an electric pokemon so early in the game and I expected him to be sort of the Ampharos of Unova. But, to be honest, I quit the playthrough early because Zebstrika's suckiness pissed me off so much. :| By the time I reached the E4, he was too weak to use. So I ended up beating the E4 and didn't even bother doing the post-game, restarted with a new team and I'm still playing it through now.
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I was very much looking forward to Reuniclus, but he was ultimately too weak to be a part of my team.
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Zekrom really let me down. My Zebstrika could take him out.
I thought it was going to be a really kickass legendary. But then it turned out to be suck. None of the Legends this Gen are very impressive. Like, with Mewtwo or Lugia or Giratina, you could train it easy. But Zekrom... Well, it turned out to be really bad to train. So I wimped out and found a Deino, and made a kickass Hydreigon out of him. Noob out. |
Agreeing with Saryka about Tirtouga. It was alright right when I got it, but as I went on, just...no. I actually let it evolve into Carracosta, and I swear, it got worse from there. Gotta be pretty bad to do that, honestly.
And I agree with Penatrait about Zebstrika. I hated that thing, lmao. I thought Liepard was going to be Jesus, but it let me down and I boxed it pretty quickly. I thought the same thing about Herdier my first time in White, but I gave it another chance in Black, and I'm actually quite impressed with it (and Stoutland) now, especially with access to Fire/Ice/Thunder Fang. :] |
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I agree with Tirtouga too. I tried to train one after hearing seeing his stats and it was a real let down. Glad I switched over to Jellicent! Edit: @ The_Noob Seismitoads stats make me not want to go towards him, and I already have a ground type in Excadrill. |
Zebstrika really bummed me out in my first playthrough because I expected it to be awesome (I looooved Blitzle before the game came out) but it couldn't really take hits and my Galvantula was so much better. :s Also Purrloin, but at least that one I gave up on around level 15 because I realized it probably wasn't going to get much better.
In my second playthrough, I grabbed a Ducklett and evolved it into Swanna but I'm just not feeling it. I finished up the game with it in my party but it just... I dunno. It didn't click with me and it's not as strong/versatile as I hoped. It's essentially just my HM slave now in the endgame. |
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You fools know nothing of the powerhouse that is Seismitoad. His Drain Punch - Poison Touch - Shell Bell combo will send you packing quite easily. I expected this guy to be fail at first. Turns out, he's extremely awesome. In fact, I originally didn't count on using most of the Pokemon I had on my team. Noob out. |
Well I gave up on patrat at level 9
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golurk was sort of a let down. mainly because i grew it to 100 and its attack might be right but everything else is crying
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Heh, the thing about Serperior is that the only decent Serperiors are from the Dream World. The starter variants are sub-par when compared to the other grass types obtainable in Black/White, which is why I replaced mine with Liligant the first time the opportunity came up.
As for my own failed plans, I wanted to slap a Klinklang onto my end-game team, and even managed to train up a Klang, but their barren movepool consisting of Rock Smash, 85% accuracy Steel Move, and Return made using them in battle difficult, and I could never find the time to level them up to the point of gaining Gear Charge, so when endgame came up, I took my Serperior out of the daycare and decided to use that in place of Klang. If I had learned the daycare exploit earlier however, I could have gotten a Gear Charge Klinklang at exactly level 50 (which is what I did post-game). |
Throh was generally lackluster in his moves but was okay. Klinklank was a huge letdown for me. I thought he would be worthwhile for some reason but he's totally disappointed me. He was only useful to me for his resistances against Psychics, Ghosts, and Darks in the Elite 4 which bought me time.
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Archeops, Threw away my unfezant for it, it got the crap beat out of it against N and Ghetsis. Also I agree with everyone who says the purrloin sucks. I gave up on it after the first gym where it got beat out badly
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Why are people saying Serperior is bad? Mine almost singlehandedly beat down the elite 4 at 15 levels underleveled. My Carracosta was invaluable as well. My biggest letdowns were Reshiram and Beartic. Reshiram was beat down nearly instantly by Ghetsis and my Beartic was too slow to do anything before it was OHKO'd by just about everything.
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which pokemon has let you down the most?
Liepard. It was horrible. I kicked him out of my team after the 2nd gym battle. >m< |
My entire team:
Emboar died too easily Musharna had no moves Audino had no moves Swanna was slower than it should've been Beartic is all of them combined On the other hand, Emolga, the one Pokemon I thought on my team would be legitimately bad, was the only one tearing it up with speedy, OHKO Acrobatics. |
The 3 monkeys are almost unusable. Plus they look just terrible. I didnt like half the pokes that look like food products either.
Im not sure who they tried to target in this market, new or old users. |
Pokemon that let me down:
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/513.png Pansear was just awful. http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/559.png Just way to weak for me. http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/543.png Again, Just too weak, and by the time it was a Venipede, I had no room for it on my team, and everyone else completely outclassed it. |
I'm a bit disappointed with my Musharna, tbh.
Though, at least it's better than Liepard, I was really looking forward to having that Pokemon on my team.. and it was just.. ugh. Awful stats, even when it's level was higher than it's opponent. It's one of those Pokemon where I tried to raise it, and level it past the rest of my party, but it just kept getting knocked out, and it just ended up taking up space in my party. :( |
Excadrill really let me down sometimes. Being a Steel-type made it weak to Fire, and I always have to send it out when Samurott is unavailable (either in my PC because I have a rotational team or knocked out), and half the time it can't even land a hit before it gets burned to a crisp. I miss my Krookodile already ;A;
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Beartic let me down big time. It's defenses SUCK and it isn't even as physically strong as I had hoped. But I don't feel like changing it, cause it looks nice. XD
Swoobat was a semi-letdown. I like it, it's just not the best on my team. Scolipede, Scrafty, Samurott and Chandelure exceeded my expectations. |
Zebstrika let me down because it wasn't that tough when I fought trainers with it and it keeped on dieing.
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Pansear was a let down for me. Shortly before getting to Nacrene, I boxed it. Why? Because it was Timid and there was a severe lack of places to EV train for Special Attack at that point of the game.
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Alot of Pokemon weren't as good as I thought them to be.
(Although I realize some of these Pokes can be good if used by good trainers) Purrloin: I regret putting up with it. I used it for Elite Four though. Pidove: Physically oriented stats, Specially oriented moves. Audino: At least it's better offensively than Chansey and Blissey. (Good for Battle Subway) Woobat: I liked it, but its stats are too low. Venipede: Attack is too low to do much damage. (I found out that Scolipede is better) Minccino: Idk why i thought it was better than it is... (Cinccino is good for Battle Subway in my opinion) Vanillite: Too weak defensively. (Vanilluxe is good though) Deerling: .... Klink: S.Atk is too low to use its moveset well. Major TM usage on it. Ferroseed: Great wall, but I can't train it. Tympole: Disappointed me, although I think Seismitoad > Swampert Reshiram: Ok, but not as awesome as past Legendaries in my opinion. Zekrom: Same as Reshiram. Zorua: Idk why but it let me down. Zoroark is stronger though. Tirtouga: Didn't work for me... Traded for Archen. (Archen worked for me) |
I caught a Honchkrow once thinking he would be amazing, and he ended up being amazing.
Wait, what was the question? |
All this Zebstrika hate makes me sad. Yes, he has flimsy defences, but his physical attack and speed are first-rate, and my Zebstrika got me through some sticky situations. it is one of my new favourite electric-types.
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Purrloin was a big disappointment.
I hated leveling it since it would faint most of the time. As soon as Sandile was available, I kicked Liepad out of my team XD Poor thing, just couldn't stand it. |
This thread is becoming too similar to our "So hard to train!" discussion, so I'll be merging the two together. Don't see another way to make them differ from each other, so we'll keep them in one discussion only from here on.
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I was looking forward to train Liepard and have it as a main party member.. but when I got it I was like WTH?! :x
it can't take a hit + even when it evolved the attacks where not impressive, I felt like I'm wasting time while I could have stronger pokes! so I ended up dumping it like almost everyone here.. too bad it looks awesome =[ |
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