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It may sound funny and nonsensical to you, but religious people hold their views in a very high regard, and God is, as you know, highest of all beings. Condemning those values (such as saying they don't exist, they're killing people) is basically synonymous to insulting and committing sacrilege, therefore there will be less trust on atheists. It's only my thoughts, though. If you still don't get it, it's like somebody insulting your parents, your friends... or whoever else that you hold in high regard. I certainly don't agree with last 2 paragraphs I wrote, though. It's just way many religious people believe. I can understand why some atheists think the way they do (I admit, I was "close" to being Atheist last summer). It does irritate me, however, if they form their arguments out of their own assumptions and/or exert some sort of superiority complex. (example: "my opinion is better than urs", "your opinion is dumb cuz u cant even prove it", "lol im smarter cuz i proved u wrong"... etc) Quote:
If you adamantly don't want to be the part of the 65 million (or whatever the number is), and if your archbishop fervently refuses to take your name off for whatever reason, just hire a lawyer in the near future and see what they can do for you. I can't help you further on this issue, I'm afraid. |
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2. On lawyers. Separation of Church and State. It's a thingie now. 3. It sounds like you hold yourself in high regard. A bit of an egotistic nature, if you don't mind me saying. Here's a thing. Argue only about what you know. |
Idk, I would be more forgiving tbh. He backed down from his point and realized that he was wrong, what more do you want from him? Lol
I wouldn't say saying that God doesn't exist is like insulting your parents, because it's not an insult. God is like a parent to many, yeah, that's why he's the Father and such, but when you say he doesn't exist, it's not an insult per se. If you said "God does exist but he's evil", that would be a different thing, and I think a small minority does believe that, but I think the general atheist belief is "the idea of your God is nice, if only he existed". I can't think of a more apt analogy though, lol. |
Oh, I'm not mad. I'm just giving advice. Before you come to a debate you should know something about what you're talking about.
Look all I want is to have my name off. It's personal and might not make sense to an outsider, but I'm not doing it to make sense to anyone, I'm doing it for me. |
I have a somewhat related-ish question that I've wondered about for a very long time. Why are atheists (the ones I meet anyway) always hellbent on convincing others that God doesn't exist?
I understand that Christians do it far more, but they do it to help/save people, and should (ideally, though probably not always) have only good intentions. As far as I can tell, there's no reason other than that they think Christians are stupid, is there? Trying my best not to step on my toes. Just genuinely curious. |
To be honest, I've never seen an atheist try to convince others that God doesn't exist. I'm not denying it happens because I'm certain it does, but I've never seen the situation occur so I can't judge it from that standpoint or speak with any degree of certainty. I've never tried to convince others myself that God doesn't exist either - I know he doesn't exist, and I feel like it would be a waste of energy trying to use logic to fight faith when all logic can do is provide proof that God doesn't exist while faith, by definition, is blind and does not require proof. I prefer to denounce religion rather than the belief in God, which are two very separate things.
But thinking about it, this is my speculation. Since the atheists in question are trying to pull people away from God, it's seen as sinister while the Christians who are trying to force people into him can only be seen as at the very least well-intentioned. But I think it's possible that the atheists have good intentions as well. Atheists are atheists for a reason, and the ones who are militant enough to try to convert people would have less than favourable views of religion. It makes sense to me that they would be trying to help or save people as well by attempting to show them that they don't need to live in fear of divine retribution or live by the often perverse restrictions that religion provides. |
I feel in the same vein as Shining Raichu. God and Jesus sound like pretty cool guys in the same vein that Superman and Batman sound like pretty cool guys (OK, maybe not so much God, people should take notes from Jesus). I've no problem really if you like those folks because everyone has their own personal favorite characters and that you are not imposing your opinions on everyone systematically. However, I have less than favorable views of how the institutions known as "religion" have integrated within our governments and corporations in order to enforce their interests upon the entirety of the population in the name of those awesome people. I really could care less that your institution promotes love, peace, charity, and all that when they're systematically forcing the populace to practice their outdated social beliefs in legislation, such as treating women and LGBT+ persons as second-class.
As for atheist denial of god, it's one thing for religion to be a spiritual exploration of the self. It's another to be a fundamentalist who outright denies research and experimental facts because of god. Because of the volume of the outcries of many such fundamentalists, to atheists, the concept of a god is more of a monument to anti-intellectualism than and all powerful and benevolent being from which morals should be derived. |
Joining. God doesn't exist, and if he did, I wouldn't want to worship him.
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I think Atheists are mostly disgruntled due to the fact that they are looked down upon by those who are preaching something they have no evidence of. Atheists probably have about as good of intentions as Christians, who they believe are wasting their lives on something that doesn't exist. |
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You must also understand; You're in a ATHEIST CLUB. Not that you're not welcome. It's just that things here will naturally be more geared toward atheism than theism. I agree with Shining Raichu with what he said about your question. But also think this. It's not about 'convincing' a theist that they're wrong. It's trying to explain our point. Example. John is a Christian. Bill is an atheist. Note very corny. John: Hi my name is John, and I'm a Christian. Bill: Oh, hi. I'm Bill. John: You're Christian too? Bill: No, I'm not. I'm atheist. John: What? Bill: Atheist. It means I don't believe in god. John: So what religion are you? Bill: I don't have one. John: How can you not believe in God? Bill: *Begins explaining* John: Why are you talking to me like I'm stupid? Bill: I'm just trying to explain to you why I don't think god exists. John: *gives standard 'explain this then if there's no god' argument* Bill: But that can't be because of 'x' reason. John: Why are you trying to convince me there's no god? Bill: I'm not. I'm just saying why I think there's no god. And it repeats like that. Atheist gets asked a question. They answer with what they know. They get accused of trying to turn people from god. Also note. If you're talking about us. It's the internet. I definately wouldn't say the things I said here to someone in real life. Here we can be more exact and more... straightforward with our arguments. Also also, it's a debate. That's just what a debate is. EDIT: Continuing conversation; Top Believer's weirdest reasons they know god exists. (that I've heard) 1. Unmoved Mover Philosphy 2. Bananas: Literally god's fruit. 3. Because Venus in Retrograde 4. The Bible proves it. 5. Personal Experience 6. Complexity Argument 7. The Human Eye 8. Pascal's Wager 9. Watchmaker Theory 10. BECAUSE I KNOW IT and a bonus for proof of creation *Second Law of Thermodynamics! |
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And I honestly don't know of anyone who doesn't know what Atheism is. Have you actually had to explain it to anyone? |
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But I think it's somewhat along the lines of the people that are both argumentative and atheist (not everyone obviously but they do exist) feel often as if they're "educating" the other person. Since many atheists come from a religious background and they 'saw the light' and turned to the logic of atheism, they could feel like the religious person is only religious because they haven't seen the light of logic. It's similar to the Christians who evangelize - they want to help people by helping them see the light of God and live a holy life, while atheists want to help people by helping them see the light of logic and live an intellectual life. Although I've never heard an atheist irl try to convince someone they're wrong, and even online I've seen arguments towards Christians in general but never one where one atheist tries to convince one Christian that their way is the right way. I have seen it flipped though, both irl and online. |
Hey Charlie, welcome! :D
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Well, pretty much. Considering what we believe happens to people who aren't saved, you'd be a pretty horrible person if you didn't want to save* as many people as possible. I mean, if I could go back and time and save Hitler I would do it without a second thought. I don't think anyone deserves hell, no matter what they've done.
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So would you say that under your beliefs, the members of this club are going to Hell?
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I don't know everything about all this, so I've made some assumptions and I was proven wrong, and I even admitted that I was ignorant on this subject, and now you're just rubbing it in my face, especially using command/imperative sentences to make me look like I'm your student or something (which I'm not). It's really a daft move if you ask me. I thought you were smart about this. I guess not. Here's a fact: People win and lose in debates and discussions practically every time. Even scholars in Oxford & Cambridge Universities (arguably some of the best universities in the world) are proven wrong in debates sometimes. I don't think I'll ever argue with anybody in this thread again. It's absolutely pointless, especially when you guys have such high superiority complex and try to make a complete mockery of someone who loses in an online discussion. Pathetic if you ask me. That being said, I'm not coming back to this thread, either. I guess I know more about atheists in general now. Phantom (and only him, please) : If you're REALLY bothered by this comment, you can PM me about it. I don't want to look like chickening out of this. Don't expect me to be nice to you, though. |
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According to the Bible, and Jesus, Baptism is needed in order to get to heaven. Source, Quote:
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I am confused as to how we are being elitist? Also you should read my response for 2Cool4Mewtwo in my previous post. |
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