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MudkipBoy May 6th, 2011 11:50 AM

Lack of Pokeballs?
 
In B/W was anyone else dissapointed with the fact only one pokeball was added, the Dream Ball? I wanted more, and maybe it just shows Nintendo are running out of creativity.

Starrodkirby86 May 6th, 2011 11:59 AM

Ehh, I didn't mind it at all really. Sure, there were some awesome balls that were implemented in Generation III and IV, but I wasn't expecting any new ones to come on board. If I were, I would be pleasantly surprised, yep, but I myself wouldn't be disappointed if nothing new came. Maybe since I'm not that much of a ball connoisseur and just love chucking Poké and Primer Balls at everything. xD

I did like the Dream Ball's animation though. :3 One thing I did miss were Ball Seals though, seeing as we're on the subject of Poké Balls.

jigglyppuff8 May 6th, 2011 12:03 PM

I don't like the way you said "running out of creativity". Is the lack of Poke balls really enough to justify that statement with all the monstrous amount of features added?

But yeah, a ball that worked in doubles would've been nice, but what more else is there? A ball that makes X type easier to catch? A ball that makes Pokemon in X location easier to catch? That's real creative all right.

MudkipBoy May 6th, 2011 12:15 PM

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I don't like the way you said "running out of creativity". Is the lack of Poke balls really enough to justify that statement with all the monstrous amount of features added?

But yeah, a ball that worked in doubles would've been nice, but what more else is there? A ball that makes X type easier to catch? A ball that makes Pokemon in X location easier to catch? That's real creative all right.
Sorry if i offended. What i mean to say is that new pokeballs were always cool, and with all the low catch rate pokemon in the new games (just look at the second half of the pokedex) maybe we could do with some boosts.

Seeds Horizon May 6th, 2011 12:18 PM

Theres already so many different types of Pokeballs, adding anymore would just be overkill and very confusing for those new to the Pokemon games. Maybe adding only one or two every Gen would be perfect from now on ^_^.

LethalTexture May 6th, 2011 1:09 PM

I'm sorry but I fail to see how it means they are running out of creativity. Unless you believe in the notion that more = better, adding any more would just be redundant.

Volroc May 6th, 2011 3:40 PM

i miss the new pokeballs T_T i loved always trying to work with new ones i hadnt seen before

Ω Ruby and α Sapphire May 6th, 2011 3:46 PM

Eh i couldn't care less. One thing i do miss is ball seals, they were so cool!

fenyx4 May 6th, 2011 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Snivysmiley (Post 6627192)
In B/W was anyone else dissapointed with the fact only one pokeball was added, the Dream Ball? I wanted more, and maybe it just shows Nintendo are running out of creativity.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/4a/Bag_Dream_Ball_Sprite.png=http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b2/Bag_Park_Ball_Sprite.png
I was majorly disappointed at the fact that only 1 Poke Ball was added in BW. Only one new Ball that essentially does the same thing as the Master and Park Balls, and it's PINK, arguably the most polarizing color of all. :x Why couldn't they just make it so that Park Balls catch the Dream World Pokemon rather than uninspired Dream Balls? I'd rather have my Pokemon decked out in a gold-and-silver Poke Ball than a purely pink one. At least you can choose to use the Love and Heal Balls (which are decidedly pink as well). You're essentially forced to use the Dream Ball in Entralink, and the only way to "change" the Poke Ball of Dream World Pokemon is to breed it so that the newborn with the Hidden Ability comes in a Poke Ball.

Honestly, either the Park Ball should have been brought back in usable form, or Trainers should have been allowed to select which Poke Ball the Dream World Pokemon are caught in.

In addition, BW made it worse when it not only introduced a failish and unnecessary Poke Ball clone, it removed 8 past variants (Apricorn & Compé Ball(s)) that had just received the good fortune to be reintroduced in the main series again in HGSS. If you're going to bother importing their sprites, you might as well make them available. I mean, all it would take is a random NPC selling them.

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Originally Posted by Starrodkirby86 (Post 6627205)
I did like the Dream Ball's animation though. :3 One thing I did miss were Ball Seals though, seeing as we're on the subject of Poké Balls.

I MISSED THOSE, TOO. T_T Seriously, those need to be brought back. I'd rather have Seals included, as minor as they are, over Pokemon Musicals screensavers any day of the week.

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Originally Posted by Seeds Horizon (Post 6627232)
Theres already so many different types of Pokeballs, adding anymore would just be overkill and very confusing for those new to the Pokemon games. Maybe adding only one or two every Gen would be perfect from now on ^_^.

Yet we're up to 649 Pokemon...I think 'overkill' is essentially thrown out the window at this point. It became overkill when the Premier Ball (exactly the same as the Poke Ball; only difference is design and method obtained) and the Cherish Ball (partially redundant as they are restricted to event Pokemon when Classic Ribbons already prevent GTS trading) was introduced, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 6627308)
I'm sorry but I fail to see how it means they are running out of creativity. Unless you believe in the notion that more = better, adding any more would just be redundant.

It wouldn't be redundant if new catch rate modifiers were introduced. And they became redundant anyway with the dawn of Generation 2. At 1HP with a status problem, the majority of Pokemon can be caught with a 2x-modifying Ultra Ball.

I don't even use Poke Balls for the catch rates (most of the time) - the only time that occurs is when I need to catch a "fodder" Pokemon, in which case I chuck an Ultra Ball (and on rare occasions, Repeat Ball). I focus more on the designs of each Poke Ball. We already have 9 variants of the standard Poke Ball (Poke, Great, Ultra, Master, Safari, Premier, Compé/Sport, Park, Dream), where the only difference barring method of obtaining is the catch rate modifier - although some of them are restricted even more by (needless) location limitations. I'd actually be satisfied if we just got more "skins"/designs for Poke Balls.

One to four new Poke Balls introduced per Generation is adequate...though I don't know what other modifiers could be implemented, besides type-based (i.e, Net Ball), evolution-method-based (i.e, Moon Ball) and location-based (i.e., Dusk Ball) ones. Idk, maybe a set of five Poke Balls that, upon Pokemon capture, invest 75 EVs into a given/designated stat (i.e, an "Attack Ball", an "HP Ball"? This wouldn't even need to be explicitly mentioned in the flavor text.

Molts May 6th, 2011 4:54 PM

I don't know of any new pokeball concepts that would add anything to the game. Plus the only ones worth using past the E4 is the ultra and timer balls. Why make more balls that won't be used anyway?

Ho-Oh May 6th, 2011 5:56 PM

I don't mind, because I think the pokeballs we have right now are good enough tbh, do we really need a pokeball for every single situation? :(

(Though I do like that Dream Balls are 100% catch rate in entralink lol). :3

Also Fenyx, I don't think they're uninspired, I think the Dream Balls are creative. It was unexpected after all!

koji8123 May 6th, 2011 6:02 PM

At least the made it so it's 255 capture like the masterball.

It could be like 1.5(think greaterball) =/ and something dumb and unuseful like the Rock ball to capture Hard skinned pokemon.. because lets face it, Gamefreak does stupid things like that.

Nebuman1337 May 6th, 2011 6:08 PM

I think that they should add a custom ball. you can pick the color and animation and stuff. it would be pretty cool.

MetalMario May 6th, 2011 7:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6627557)
and it's PINK, arguably the most polarizing color of all. :x

Heal Ball and Love Ball lovers, unite!

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6627557)
In addition, BW made it worse when it not only introduced a failish and unnecessary Poke Ball clone, it removed 8 past variants (Apricorn & Compé Ball(s)) that had just received the good fortune to be reintroduced in the main series again in HGSS. If you're going to bother importing their sprites, you might as well make them available. I mean, all it would take is a random NPC selling them.

// reserved for future use

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6627557)
Premier Ball

The Premier Ball highlights how the types of Pokéballs are remembered. It, along with the Luxury Ball, doesn't make catching the Pokémon any easier, but they are hard to get in mass quantities. (especially the Luxury Ball in R/S/E, where you could only get one outside of contests)

This means you have very few shots at getting those certain rare and elusive Pokémon caught in them. It's bragging rights, essentially. I have a shiny Palkia in a Premier Ball, and brag, I do.

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6627557)
I don't know what other modifiers could be implemented, besides type-based (i.e, Net Ball), evolution-method-based (i.e, Moon Ball) and location-based (i.e., Dusk Ball) ones. Idk, maybe a set of five Poke Balls that, upon Pokemon capture, invest 75 EVs into a given/designated stat (i.e, an "Attack Ball", an "HP Ball"? This wouldn't even need to be explicitly mentioned in the flavor text.

Read any future generation speculation topic and you'll see all sorts of ideas.

Oryx May 6th, 2011 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6627557)
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/4a/Bag_Dream_Ball_Sprite.png=http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b2/Bag_Park_Ball_Sprite.png
I was majorly disappointed at the fact that only 1 Poke Ball was added in BW. Only one new Ball that essentially does the same thing as the Master and Park Balls, and it's PINK, arguably the most polarizing color of all. :x Why couldn't they just make it so that Park Balls catch the Dream World Pokemon rather than uninspired Dream Balls? I'd rather have my Pokemon decked out in a gold-and-silver Poke Ball than a purely pink one. At least you can choose to use the Love and Heal Balls (which are decidedly pink as well). You're essentially forced to use the Dream Ball in Entralink, and the only way to "change" the Poke Ball of Dream World Pokemon is to breed it so that the newborn with the Hidden Ability comes in a Poke Ball.

Um. What? The first time I went to the Entralink, I didn't even notice that the Dream Ball was in the front of my bag. I used a Poke Ball. Every ball has a 100% catch rate in there...or at least, the dozens of Pokemon I've caught in there have only taken one Poke Ball to catch. I've never once used the Dream Ball, you're absolutely not forced to unless you don't have any other types to use. I think that's just because once you decide to add it to your team, they want to make sure that you have a ball to catch it with, so they give you a Dream Ball so even if you're entirely out of any other type you can still catch it.

2Cool4Mewtwo May 6th, 2011 8:27 PM

more pokeballs and it'd be way too much... I even thought the pokeballs added in gen III were ridiculously unnecessary. maybe I'm just viewing it in conservative way :\

MudkipBoy May 6th, 2011 11:46 PM

They could have even implemented seasonal ones, seen as they brought those into it.

SORRY i meant seen as they brought seasons into it

SORRY i meant seen as they brought seasons into it

PlatinumDude May 7th, 2011 12:37 AM

I would've liked it if GF introduced new Poke Balls other than the Dream Balls. It also would've been nice if the Johto Apricorn balls were in B/W too.

Legendary Silke May 7th, 2011 2:20 AM

Well, there could be more kinds of Poké Balls available, but I'm fine with the current selection, as the specialty Balls from Gen III and IV are still of good use in the games. Besides, the Dream Ball gets more use when you use Dream World frequently.

vaporeon7 May 7th, 2011 4:44 AM

I was a bit disappointed to begin with to only find the Dream Ball was the only new one but then again there are so many different kinds these days I shouldn't have expected so much to begin with. Though I do agree, they could have made some based on seasons. It also would've been nice to be able to get Kurt's Pokeballs as well.

Numbers May 7th, 2011 5:01 AM

Can't say I'm too bothered about the lack of new Pokeballs as I very rarely used the gimmicky types anyway. I mostly stuck to Ultra and Pokeballs.
It would have been cool if they had kept seals though and maybe just upgraded them so that you could deposit the Pokemon with seals attached.

fenyx4 May 7th, 2011 5:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 6627662)
I don't mind, because I think the pokeballs we have right now are good enough tbh, do we really need a pokeball for every single situation? :(

(Though I do like that Dream Balls are 100% catch rate in entralink lol). :3

Also Fenyx, I don't think they're uninspired, I think the Dream Balls are creative. It was unexpected after all!

Well, the flavor text of the Dream Balls does say:
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A special Poké Ball that appears out of nowhere in a bag
at the Entree Forest. It can catch any Pokémon.
..so I guess you're right about the unexpected part, Forever. XD

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 6627850)


Um. What? The first time I went to the Entralink, I didn't even notice that the Dream Ball was in the front of my bag. I used a Poke Ball. Every ball has a 100% catch rate in there...or at least, the dozens of Pokemon I've caught in there have only taken one Poke Ball to catch. I've never once used the Dream Ball, you're absolutely not forced to unless you don't have any other types to use. I think that's just because once you decide to add it to your team, they want to make sure that you have a ball to catch it with, so they give you a Dream Ball so even if you're entirely out of any other type you can still catch it.

0_0 Really? Well, that's what I get for making quick assumptions without actually owning either game. I was under the understanding that you were provided only with Dream Balls to catch the Pokemon in, in an event similar to the Pal Park giving you Park Balls, and that all other Poke Balls were unusable. But if you can catch Dream World Pokemon with any Poke Ball, that's awesome news! ^_^

Hooh May 7th, 2011 6:15 PM

I don't really mind.

We have enough balls IMO

rstevenson1976 May 7th, 2011 6:45 PM

I think that kurt's apricorn balls could've stood a reintroduction, they actually show up in the inventory through use of the ar, they just don't do anything I wasn't too big on seals though, they were cool for a while but were a pain when you wanted to put the pokemon anywhere but your party

Osha_say_wott?! May 7th, 2011 7:41 PM

I think there's enough pokéballs as there is, so I wasn't disappointed they only added one new ball. Sometimes I think there's too much pokéballs and some of the mare kinda unnecessary.


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