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Ho-Oh May 10th, 2011 8:32 PM

If you could remove one Unovian Pokemon from the games!
 
Imagine you were given the power to remove just one Black and White Pokemon from the games, but it can't be one you just want to remove because you hate its design or something - it'd have to be one you don't think is necessary to the games. It still exists as apart of the generation 5 Pokemon, but you will no longer be able to obtain it in the games. You would then have to pretty much replace where that Pokemon would be found with another Unova Pokemon.

So, for example if you were to remove Patrat from the games, you could then mention you would replace it with Purrloin on Route 1, then maybe replace it with Minccino in the dreamyard. One thing, though, whichever you choose to remove would still have its evolution, which would then become a Pokemon without an evolution in the games only, if that makes sense. So in other words, Watchog would then have nothing else in its evolution line within the games. In the PokeDex however, it would just be a blank space where Patrat would've been.

Now! Which would you remove and why? Also what would you replace it with on the routes it's found in?

Remember, it has to be more than just "because it's ugly", otherwise those posts will be moved to likes/dislikes. :)

Be creative!!!

Name May 10th, 2011 8:34 PM

I would remove Buffalon, it's a really weak Pokémon overall.
I don't like that it has no evolution, and that it's another hooved pokémon.
Everytime I run into it, my heart fills with dread, not because it'll beat me, but because i will beat it.
I also don't like the way it looks.

I'd like the Heatmor to be more prevelant, and to replace Buffalon.

インフェルノの津波 May 10th, 2011 8:43 PM

I'd get rid of Maractus.

Seriously there's nothing going for it.

ceremony May 10th, 2011 8:46 PM

Vanillite, because it would also get rid of its evolutions by default too.

I hate the way it looks, and I hate how this boring, lazy design is the strongest pure Ice type introduced in Gen V.

I'd probably replace it with a Snorunt.

Wyatt Fire May 10th, 2011 8:48 PM

The ice cream cone Pokémon. I just don't think that's the direction Pokémon should be headed. It's in competition with a trash bag Pokémon. I like Pokémon to be based off of cute animals, legendary dragons, bugs, birds... but, you know, we even have a snowflake-like Pokémon (Cryogonal) and an electrical appliance Pokémon (Rotom).

My reasoning is any one of these can go just because their ideas seem very uncreative, sloppy, and uninspiring.

And that, is my best at trying to not say, "Eugh! It's stupid looking!"

I'd rather pay a really creative artist that's made excellent Fakemon designs than James Turner, whose name has become a bad word in my book, hehe.

Vrai May 10th, 2011 8:48 PM

One Pokémon I never actually found like useful for B/W at all ever was Maractus. I mean, yeah, you could find them in the desert but honestly I don't think it's got anything at all that makes it memorable, let alone useful. The only thing that makes it stand out from Cacturne iirc is Water Absorb, which is kinda useless since it resists water anyway. :c

I don't even remember any other trainers using it! Come to think of it, how did it get into my Pokédex, anyway? ;-; Beyond Maractus, though, I felt like most B/W Pokémon deserved whatever niche they had. They were all pretty unique which is wonderful (yes, even you Stunfisk, though I think your brand of "unique" is a bit uhh different). What should they replace Maractus with...? Wellll nothing in Gen V would really fill the role it has because it doesn't really have any kind of role at all but I guess you could just copy and paste Cacturne in and have a better Maractus. :(

(also anyone who says afrobull should be removed needs to get head charge'd to the face imo... he's too awesomeee)

Oryx May 10th, 2011 8:50 PM

I would remove Heatmor. With all the amazing fire types that were introduced this gen (Litwick line, Larvesta line, Darumaka line), it's really outshined by so many that I've never seen a single person use one. The only problem with this is...what would be Durant's rival in this case?

I guess it wouldn't have to have a rival, but I would replace it with Cryogonal. That Pokemon is way too rare as it is.

Rai May 10th, 2011 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 6635091)
I'd get rid of Maractus.

Seriously there's nothing going for it.

! D: !

Maractus is one of my favorites of the new generation. It is adorable and has a beautiful design imo. I have one of my team and I absolutely love it.

PlatinumDude May 11th, 2011 1:11 AM

I'd remove Stunfisk. It's ugly, and it isn't very good in battle.

DarkAlucard May 11th, 2011 2:20 AM

Basculin, i hate weird-looking fish pokemon, besides isn't a evo or something to make it worthwhile. I'll replace it with horsea.

Ho-Oh May 11th, 2011 2:44 AM

Kay reminder;

Remember, it has to be more than just "because it's ugly", otherwise those posts will be moved to likes/dislikes. :)

Just incase everyone from now on misses the big size 7 font. :D

Anyway! My thoughts are Leavanny. Why? It's easily forgettable. It's Swadloon's evolution, yes, but, due to the evolution by happiness and not pure level up, by the time you get it to a certain level you don't really want to bother levelling up Swadloon to get Leavanny. Plus! I also forgot its English name when it was announced, so I was like uhhh that evolution of that bug Pokemon, lol. :( And what's even worse is that up until a moment ago I just realised it could be obtained in the wild. I swear I've never ever ever ever seen it. So yeah, it's the most forgettable. XD

As for replacing, I'd probably replace it with probably Escavalier and Karrablast, in lostlorn and route 6 respectively. :) Cause honestly it wouldn't really be a big loss tbh.

vaporeon7 May 11th, 2011 2:57 AM

If I could remove on Pokemon from the games Pokemon Black and White it would have to be Stunfisk. In my opinion it is an awful looking Pokemon that tried to be an awesome Dunsparce but failed in the middle. Also when I used it in my Hall of Fame Challenge it was the most useless Pokemon I have used yet in that challenge. It had inconvenient typing meaning that it was weak to Water Types, it has weak stats and even Watchog did better then it. Also the name Stunfisk is well eww. I get the Stunfis part but I would have preferred Stunfish better. It would also be a forgettable Pokemon if it weren't so useless and as such made fun off. I'd just replace it with finding the other Pokemon in the areas more common.

Zelda May 11th, 2011 3:16 AM

If I could remove one Pokémon from the game, it would probably be Garbodor. It's pre-evolution was simple enough to represent the trash around New York, and an over exploding garbage bag is just overdone. Aside from that, there's really no good point for this Pokémon. Sure, the Pokédex entry states how it absorbs garbage and makes it a part of their body; shooting out poisonous liquid from their fingertips, and with that it's picking up the garbage around the cities and towns. However if you think about it, it can also be polluting the region with its poisonous garbage and junk. >: Eh, it's not too strong either and it's just a Pokémon added that I think could have stayed its pre-evolution. Sure Trubbish is even weaker, but there wouldn't be an entire difference. They're both weak anyway, so why not? Though this is just my two cents on Garbodor and it not being needed.

ElectricScyther May 11th, 2011 4:46 AM

I'd remove Liepard from the wild. It's just too common and annoying, plus you could easily evolve one from Purrloin. Of course, I'd replace it with a less common pokemon like Ferroseed, Ducklett, or Elgyem. The trick here would be to avoid making the replacement just as annoying, so I'd spread things out a little.

deoxys121 May 11th, 2011 4:59 AM

There are actually a couple I would get rid of. First would be Stunfisk. It's just a real oddball Pokemon that doesn't really make any sense, especially its type combination Ground/Electric. If anything, it should be Ground/Water. The Electric part doesn't make sense. Then I would get rid of the Trubbish/Garbodor line. The below image pretty much says it all.

I did not make this image, just found it.

Gothitelle. May 11th, 2011 7:12 AM

Some might hate me for this, but I think Chandelure should be a ledgondary Pokemon for these reasons.

1. it keeps them from breeding. less breeding = less litwicks/lampets

2. it keeps them from being shoved in people's faces.

3. it's a one time only deal. So it gives other underrated ghost types a chance.

I know this is a remove Pokemon from the games... and I could say Chandelure but everyone would make fun of me for liking Gothitelle. So I will say this; I wanted it to be ledgondary... that's it. Keep it away from the main game and give other a chance (like Misdreavious or Gritina)

NatureKeeper May 11th, 2011 7:40 AM

Basculin. I find it rather pointless and annoying. Heck, I miss Magikarp. And Shellos is much better.

Chiar May 11th, 2011 8:09 AM

I won't get rid of anything. The more, the better. Every Gen. V Pokemon has some use.

Cid May 11th, 2011 8:31 AM

I'd say Yamask. Mainly because of its Pokedex entry.

From Pokemon Black:
"Each of them carries a mask that used to be its face when it was human. Sometimes they look at it and cry."

I mean, they should leave these souls alone! I can't believe young trainers are using these ghosts to fight random Pokemon and whatnot, while the Yamask sit there and cry about how they once led their own lives. Cofagrigus doesn't need a pre-evolution to be usable anyway.

In fact, with Yamask out, they could put Golett in the Relic Castle in his place, so that you get those Pokemon much earlier. Nothing is lost, really, and the Yamask can finally rest in peace.

marcc5m May 11th, 2011 8:33 AM

Cryogonal.
I mean...what is it? It doesn't make any sense I mean...I know it's a giant snowflake shaped block of ice but apart from that I have no idea...Where's its face? Pokemon usually have cute, memorable faces...this doesn't have a face at all. It's the only Pokemon this gen I really dislike, and the only Pokemon I've ever looked at and said (thought) "What the hell is that?".
Where Game Freak designing the alleyway in Castelia City when they thought of this? Or where they actually there?

deoxys121 May 11th, 2011 9:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fireworks (Post 6635797)
Cryogonal.
I mean...what is it? It doesn't make any sense I mean...I know it's a giant snowflake shaped block of ice but apart from that I have no idea...Where's its face? Pokemon usually have cute, memorable faces...this doesn't have a face at all. It's the only Pokemon this gen I really dislike, and the only Pokemon I've ever looked at and said (thought) "What the hell is that?".
Where Game Freak designing the alleyway in Castelia City when they thought of this? Or where they actually there?

Actually, Cryogonal does have a face. This picture shows the elements of Cryogonal's face with arrows. Also, not pointed out in the photo, it also has a mouth, directly below the nose. Look closer.
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k551/fonsifanatic/cryogonal.png

Twilight-kun May 11th, 2011 3:15 PM

Audino (don't hate me)

made leveling up a walk in the park
level 50 before fifth gym, mowed my way through the rest of the game

Zayin May 11th, 2011 3:19 PM

I would remove Vanillite and evos too. Its design lacks of originality and animals shaped as objects don't make any sense.

SuperSaiyanII May 11th, 2011 3:23 PM

I think Stunfisk is the generation chump this time around so if anything, I think it should be pulled. To tell the truth I'd much rather look at a Feebas than this thing. Maybe if it could evolve it would have more of a purpose but one thing I do like about it is it's unique typing.

jimmefoxx May 11th, 2011 4:54 PM

id remove audino...its beyond lame it looks unbelievably braindead its more annoying than that stoutland...who is just ridiculous. arcanine would destroy that lame...

Sydian May 11th, 2011 5:04 PM

I don't wanna remove anything tbh. I think all Pokemon have a reason for being there! :] And I can't think of anything I'd wanna replace tbh. Buuuut a few places in the game are lacking in diversity, and I think stuff should be added...but the lack of diversity is probably because it's all Unova Pokemon in BW. Now I'm just getting off topic though haha. But yeah, I wouldn't remove anything~

Mattxy8 May 11th, 2011 5:04 PM

I would remove ducklett...
Because there arent many people who get a Fly/Water type and finding a duck on a bridge? thats unlikely...yes, the flying/water combonation is pretty good...but against an electric it stands no-little chance...I just think that Ducklett just isn't necessary, I caught ONE wingull EVER and that was because I needed a pokemon to teach fly.

Seeds Horizon May 11th, 2011 5:28 PM

I like most Pokemon, though scrolling down this topic I have found some kindred spirits who agree with me ;D.

Mainly Vanillite and its line, Chandelure and its line, and um..That trash Pokemon I always forget about XD.

Vanillite because, well..Its a failed Ice type. I never used it, mostly because of its look, and also because the name fails, and finally because..I dont think he was ever very useful. I tried using him..But failure. I went for the cute pre-evolution of Beartic...

Chandelure..Hes a candle. What, was the designer up late at night drawing by candlelight and got an amazing idea? Geez. Plus, I think theres way better Ghost types to use..

Trash Pokemon is trash. Weak, barely has any use, and the design..Im guessing it was trash day that day >_>.

Another one..I know I mentioned it before that I was using it, but only as a replacement for Vanillite, because his design wasnt all too bad. Beartic. It seems to be (And its pre-evolution) to be an Ice version of Ursaring.. Add some weird crown thingy on its head thats ice and turn it white and blue, and BAM! You have a new Pokemon >_>.

I know at the last it was mostly about the design..Sorry! At least most of my post gives real reasons right?;D.

Tyranee May 11th, 2011 7:11 PM

I'd get rid of Garbador, the Timbur trio (Timburr, Gurr durr, and ConkellDERP >_<), and the ice cream cones.

Garbador and Trubbish I'd just not put in at all and have Grimer and Muk after the first elite 4 battle in B/W instead. The garbagemons are horrible ideas for designs and quite frankly I think we have enough "synthetic" Pokemon (Porygon trio and Genesect *cough*).

I'd get rid of the Timburr Trio and replace them with the thing they ripped off: The Machop trio. The Machop trio is much cooler and they're original. The Timburr trio are just Gen 5 ripoffs.

I'd get rid of the ice cream trio for obvious reasons. They're useless and their design is lazy. Every time I see one I want to fire punch it in it's friken melty face. Replace them with any other ice type.

Also one I forgot to add. EMONGA. That little jerk is just a Pikachu with wings. Every time I see a Pikachu ripoff I want to shoot it. However Emonga is so annoying with its double team that I'd probably miss until I faint. Kill that little buttmuncher >.>

koji8123 May 11th, 2011 7:44 PM

I'm in agreement with most here. Audino, the trash pokemon, the icecream pokemon, stunfisk, they all have to go.

I'd also add the Kami trio. Seriously we already have the weather trio, Groudon and Kyogre, we don't need more. I'd also personally remove the mole pokemon.. We have HAD these pokemon before, Diglett, and Dugtrio. Grimer and Muk was the original trash/polution pokemon. They really have lost orifinality. I'd remove Munna/Musharna, we have Drowzee and Hypno.. pidove etc. we have pidgey...wooat for zoobat

Seriously 90 % of this newest gen, aren't really that original if you look at them.

Tyranee May 11th, 2011 7:52 PM

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Originally Posted by koji8123 (Post 6636610)
I'm in agreement with most here. Audino, the trash pokemon, the icecream pokemon, stunfisk, they all have to go.

I'd also add the Kami trio. Seriously we already have the weather trio, Groudon and Kyogre, we don't need more. I'd also personally remove the mole pokemon.. We have HAD these pokemon before, Diglett, and Dugtrio. Grimer and Muk was the original trash/polution pokemon. They really have lost orifinality. I'd remove Munna/Musharna, we have Drowzee and Hypno.. pidove etc. we have pidgey...wooat for zoobat

Seriously 90 % of this newest gen, aren't really that original if you look at them.

This is true. However though lacking in originality for their gimmick, Munna and Musharna look great and have great symbolism behind them (it's my speculation that it's something to do with abortions since they're both dreaming fetuses). I would prefer them over Hypno and Drowsie any day since the aforementioned don't really have any deeper meaning.

vagrantwanderer May 11th, 2011 8:10 PM

Gothita and, by default- its evolutions. Not only is it creepy looking, I find it hard to believe that we needed ANOTHER goofy looking psychic type. And really, GOTHita should have been a dark type obviously, and on top of that it is offensive by using an outdated "goth" design when making the design. Goths no longer dress in white bows and red lipstick (admittedly that would be cooler, but).

TheGr8 May 11th, 2011 8:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightOfRemorse (Post 6636640)
Personally, Pokémon like Dunsparce, Finneon, and Lumineon just HAVE to go! I mean really, nobody even knows what they are >.>

Also, that garbage Pokémon. Ew.


Gotta agree with this, ahaha.


I agree, dunsparce in pokemon stadium two made me mad >___< i like your Original Squritle btw. I forgot to mention that the ice cream cone is just uhh it's too slow anyway and well. I think Lick attack should be super effective xD

Gothitelle. May 12th, 2011 4:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seeds Horizon (Post 6636442)

Chandelure..Hes a candle. What, was the designer up late at night drawing by candlelight and got an amazing idea? Geez. Plus, I think theres way better Ghost types to use..

YAY NOW I DON'T FEEL LIKE A FREAK ANYMORE! xD

I agree or at least be a ledongary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vagrantwanderer (Post 6636637)
Gothita and, by default- its evolutions. Not only is it creepy looking, I find it hard to believe that we needed ANOTHER goofy looking psychic type. And really, GOTHita should have been a dark type obviously, and on top of that it is offensive by using an outdated "goth" design when making the design. Goths no longer dress in white bows and red lipstick (admittedly that would be cooler, but).

As a fan of the Goth, I have to agree on you about looks. I didn't like it when they overexgaerate the lips... like they did with Jynx. I thought it was very cliche and dumb. I do however like the bow and her hair and her dress and her other bows. Maybe make the dress shorter or something like they did for Gothorita.. and she had legs.

As for being a dark type I say nay. Gothia can be pure physic but Gothorita and Gothitelle should be Physic/Fighting. Why? Because for one, it's a nice to see a little girl as a fighter. Mostly, fighting types go to big bulky, manly Pokemon. (except Moeletta). Also, she's got potential as a fighter. Fighting types are considered not only the most useful but the most honurable.

Also, bringing up stereotypes, Gothitelle being a dark type will only amplify the goth stereotype even more than it's looks. Her and her second form being part fighting however, will break not only the goth stereotype, but the also the female stereotypes as well. A little girl lots of bows, a cute dress and a fragile frame doing close combat? AWESOME.

Lastly,it'd help her reception. If she was part fighting, she's be up there with the overrated Pokemon like Reniclus and Chandelure since she has a type that is mostly used. She won't be overrated (thank god), but she'd be given a chance.

marcc5m May 12th, 2011 6:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seeds Horizon (Post 6636442)
Chandelure..Hes a candle. What, was the designer up late at night drawing by candlelight and got an amazing idea? Geez. Plus, I think theres way better Ghost types to use..

Actually, the Litwick line is based on Will-o'-the-wisp. It's a ghostly light--specifically a lamp--that lures travellers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will-o'-the-wisp
And here is Litwick's Pokedex entry:
"While shining a light and pretending to be a guide, it leeches off the life force of any who follow it."

skyluigi2 May 12th, 2011 9:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seeds Horizon (Post 6636442)
I like most Pokemon, though scrolling down this topic I have found some kindred spirits who agree with me ;D.

Mainly Vanillite and its line, Chandelure and its line, and um..That trash Pokemon I always forget about XD.

Vanillite because, well..Its a failed Ice type. I never used it, mostly because of its look, and also because the name fails, and finally because..I dont think he was ever very useful. I tried using him..But failure. I went for the cute pre-evolution of Beartic...

Chandelure..Hes a candle. What, was the designer up late at night drawing by candlelight and got an amazing idea? Geez. Plus, I think theres way better Ghost types to use..

Trash Pokemon is trash. Weak, barely has any use, and the design..Im guessing it was trash day that day >_>.

Another one..I know I mentioned it before that I was using it, but only as a replacement for Vanillite, because his design wasnt all too bad. Beartic. It seems to be (And its pre-evolution) to be an Ice version of Ursaring.. Add some weird crown thingy on its head thats ice and turn it white and blue, and BAM! You have a new Pokemon >_>.

I know at the last it was mostly about the design..Sorry! At least most of my post gives real reasons right?;D.

Why? I have all these three in my party. That just owned my friend who had Moltres, Articuno, Zapdos, Suicune, Mew and Mewtwo. Yes, because he is just like that.
So, as you can see, these Pokemon are awesome. And once again, it's down to design.
Yep. Vanillite's design is totally original and definetly NOT weak. It's one of the more USEFUL ice types in the games. And why does the name fail? Vanillite. Vanilla. Lite. LITE VANILLA ICE-CREAM, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?

Anyway, Chandelure. Is. Stupidly. Over-powered. Took out most of the E4 by itself, this one. And so what if it's a candle. Candles are awesome too. But, so are ice-creams, but lets not go there again.

So, Garbador. Down to design again. Who cares? It's strong and powerful. Sure, it's ability may not be THAT useful, but it's still a definite usable Pokemon.

But no matter what I say I'm not gonna change anyone's opinions.
Just for the record, though...

VANILLITE IS AWESOME.
CHANDELURE IS AWESOME.
GARBADOR IS AWESOME.

Anyway, I wouldn't actually get rid of any Pokemon, because I like them all :D


So, in future, please don't throw Pokemon aside, just because of their appearance. If people did this, they'd never find the right person.

-totodile42

bwburke94 May 12th, 2011 10:47 AM

Either Stunfisk or Cryogonal. By the way, Cryogonal is genderless and can learn Attract.

vagrantwanderer May 12th, 2011 12:33 PM

[QUOTE=Gothitelle.;6637021][COLOR="Magenta"]
YAY NOW I DON'T FEEL LIKE A FREAK ANYMORE! xD




As for being a dark type I say nay. Gothia can be pure physic but Gothorita and Gothitelle should be Physic/Fighting. Why? Because for one, it's a nice to see a little girl as a fighter.

Agreed- that's what made Kickass such an awesome movie! And I guess making it dark type would be a bit too cliche now that I think about it.

Palamon May 12th, 2011 12:50 PM

But...I don't wanna remove any Pokemon...! Kidding.
Stunfisk. It makes no sense putting it into the game. It a little useless if you ask me. Doesn't need to be in the games at all, really.

Pika-power May 13th, 2011 6:17 PM

All the object based pokemon, personally. They are such a deviation from the core values of the original games it's not funny. The Ice Cream pokemon? Next thing I know they'll be making a Jihadist pokemon with an evolution of Osama Bin laden's ghost.

Vrai May 13th, 2011 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pika-power (Post 6639505)
All the object based pokemon, personally. They are such a deviation from the core values of the original games it's not funny. The Ice Cream pokemon? Next thing I know they'll be making a Jihadist pokemon with an evolution of Osama Bin laden's ghost.

I don't know how you can say something as... idk, as blatantly contradictory as that? Have you seen some of the Pokemon from the original games? Muk is a Pokemon based on a giant pile of sludge. Magnemite is a Pokemon based off of some floating magnet thing. And then we have Geodude and friends, all of whom are based off of rocks and other nonliving objects. What the heck are Voltorb and Electrode anyway if they aren't just "object"-based Pokemon?

I guess if anything I'm just saying you're being ignorant/nostalgic/overcritical or whatever you want to call it. The argument that Pokemon is deviating from some of the original concepts is crass imo, especially when most of the original concepts were incredibly similar!

Farfetchd May 13th, 2011 8:24 PM

No ones said klink yet?Wow! I don't like klink because it seems useless and took them 5 minutes.

The Nightmare May 13th, 2011 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mucus (Post 6635075)
I would remove Buffalon, it's a really weak Pokémon overall.
I don't like that it has no evolution, and that it's another hooved pokémon.
Everytime I run into it, my heart fills with dread, not because it'll beat me, but because i will beat it.
I also don't like the way it looks.

I'd like the Heatmor to be more prevelant, and to replace Buffalon.

D: what's wrong with buffalon, he's way better than tauros in kanto.

but anyway, I would get rid of turbish because It's not a really good pokemon to use in the game and it evolution is not that great because it will be still weak to use even though you train it soo much.


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