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Twilight-kun May 18th, 2011 10:00 AM

Exp Gain too Low in B/W
 
While I loved murdering millions of Tabuunes (Audino) to level Grind, I really think the Exp gain was much to slow in Black and White

When I played Black, I used my Action relay to give 4X the exp points after every battle

It irked me that you gained so little in the beginning of the game
11 Exp for defeating a level 5 Minnezumi? (Patrat)
that's way too little

I'm at Aloe (Lenora) and my team is still only level 10-12
the trainers in the Gym have level 17 pokemon

well, back to seven wasted hours of boosting my team levels...I want my Lucky Egg now

Oryx May 18th, 2011 10:14 AM

Really? I only had to grind at the E4, so I'm not sure what your issue was with exp gain. Most people seem to think it's too fast, iirc.

Twilight-kun May 18th, 2011 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 6647321)
Really? I only had to grind at the E4, so I'm not sure what your issue was with exp gain. Most people seem to think it's too fast, iirc.


Makes me wonder if I simply need to grind again...I'm playing White now...

Numbers May 18th, 2011 1:31 PM

I personally think it's too slow to level up.
That is of course until you're in a place that has Audino. I usually go up 5 levels with each Poke each time I come to patch of grass with one in it. I never want to leave it haha.

Twilight-kun May 18th, 2011 1:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numbers (Post 6647573)
I personally think it's too slow to level up.
That is of course until you're in a place that has Audino. I usually go up 5 levels with each Poke each time I come to patch of grass with one in it. I never want to leave it haha.


Fainted Audinos...as far as the eye can see...

toss in the lucky eg+Exp Shareg and WHAMMO! levels galore

jigglyppuff8 May 18th, 2011 1:47 PM

I kinda thought that's why the outer area of Pinwheel forest was there for. I played through the game just battling all the trainers, and I don't remember any tedious grinding. I wasn't overleveled either, so that was kind of a nice "challenge". I kinda like the new experience system since it's much easier to get new Pokemon up to higher levels quicker.

███ May 18th, 2011 1:51 PM

It Seemed Pretty Normal To Me Till I Got The Lucky Egg.

DarkAlucard May 18th, 2011 2:31 PM

I've never been grinding my pokemon so I think that the experience you gain as you progress through the story is correct. When I arrived the first time to the Pokemon League, my team was in a 52-55 average levels so I think I did well.

Jaiyke May 18th, 2011 3:07 PM

Maybe you're running from Wild Encounters a little too often?//Avoiding Trainers?
Either that or you're using Pokemon that level up waaaay to Slowly...
reasons like that makes me never wanna catch a Purrloin//Choroneko so early DD:

Everytime I get up to Lenora I'm usually at or around Level 20
...
And if you were at Level 12 then the Experience should be Higher than normal
if you were able to take down the Lvl 14-17 Trainers in the area...
Then again it wouldn't help if you were Avoiding Wild Encounters//Trainers too often...

TheGr8 May 18th, 2011 5:10 PM

At the start it seemed normal to level up, and I didn't find it too painful, but then I got the Lucky Egg and leveling was so easy, esp grinding the the e4.

Bloo May 18th, 2011 5:11 PM

You might want to fight Pokémon that are at a much higher level than you~
You see, the new Exp. system makes grinding harder, but fighting trainers easier. This is how the old Exp. system was.
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6d/ExpGainFormula.png
a = 1 if the Pokémon is wild, with no effect. a=1.5 if the Pokémon is owned by a Trainer.
t = 1 if the Pokémon's OT (Original Trainer) is the trainer that owns it. t = 1.5 if the Pokémon is from a domestic trade (between game regions), and t = 1.7 if the Pokémon is from an international trade (between regions, i.e. North America and Japan).
Quote:

Originally Posted by bulbapedia
  • b is the base experience yield of the fainted Pokémon's species, listed here.
  • e is equal to 1.5 if the winning Pokémon is holding a Lucky Egg, and 1 otherwise.
  • L is the level of the fainted Pokémon.
    • In Generation V, Lp is the level of the victorious Pokémon.
  • s is the number of Pokémon that participated in the battle and have not fainted. If any Pokémon in the party is holding an Exp. Share, s is equal to 2, and for the rest of the Pokémon, s is equal to twice the number of Pokémon that participated instead.
    • If more than one Pokémon is holding an Exp. Share, s is equal to twice the number of Pokémon holding the Exp. Share for each Pokémon holding one.
  • p is equal to 1 if no Exp. Point Power is active, or else equal to the following depending on the power: Power ↓: 0.5; Power ↓↓: 0.66; Power ↓↓↓: 0.8; Power ↑: 1.2; Power ↑↑: 1.5; Power ↑↑↑, Power S, Power MAX: 2.

The new one is different and goes by the other Pokémon's level with a divisor or 5 rather than 7, and multiplying it by all this good stuff n__n
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/01/Delta_exp_gen5.png
Example:
Quote:

Originally Posted by bulbapedia
An internationally traded, level 55 Venusaur has just defeated a wild, level 62 Zekrom.
The base experience yield of Zekrom is 306, meaning that a level 62 Zekrom will normally yield 3794 experience points, when defeated by another Pokémon at level 62. However, this Venusaur is at level 55, meaning that it will yield 4338 experience points. The constant of 1 is added, giving 4339, and the international trade multiplies this by 1.7, meaning that this Zekrom will yield a total of 7376 experience points.

So maybe, try going back to other routes and fighting trainers that you may have avoided, or trying fighting wild Pokémon that are higher level than you.

Tyranee May 18th, 2011 5:12 PM

My party leveled up fine and that was without any Audino grinding and minimal uses of the lucky egg. Maybe you're fighting Pokemon too many levels below you. If you're level 10 and you're fighting a level 5, you'll gain much less xp than a level 4 fighting a level 5. That's one sortof new thing in this game. It also depends on the Pokemon you're using.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 18th, 2011 7:56 PM

For me BW seems easier to get your pokemon leveled up than past games though I do have to grind here and there certain times throughout the game.

Hikamaru May 18th, 2011 8:21 PM

It seems tweaked... unless you fight a lot of Audino.

Due to no Vs. Seeker, the best way to train is knocking out all those Audino.

Niprop May 18th, 2011 8:33 PM

Once you get to the point where you can use the battle subway trick, it all comes down to getting enough money to pay the daycare bills. Of course, Pokémon raised through the daycare method are expensive, and due to the lack of battling, have no EVs, making them somewhat weaker then a Pokémon trained to the same level through grinding.

ltsang May 18th, 2011 9:13 PM

Yah it has seem so slow for me too. I was battling the first grass gym leader and I was like why it is so slow to level up now. Also I kinda notice they put the pokemarket in the pokemon center now. They could've done that with the hg/ss version. I was like what the hE**.

StarlightSerenity May 18th, 2011 9:35 PM

I've found it easy to level up but I always try to either battle trainers or wild pokemon a few levels higher than the pokemon I'm using.

IceSage May 18th, 2011 10:29 PM

The EXP seemed just fine to me. I'm betting that it just seems lower with some Pokemon because they expect you to move on at a certain point, and previous games were too easy to level some of their Pokemon up in Pidgey over and over again.

It probably is suppose to encourage not skipping trainers and using repels, and people tend to do that a lot.

I have most of my Pokemon just about even right now and I'm around my 3rd badge, I haven't had a problem and there seems to be plenty of EXP to go around.

According to the trainers I'm facing, my evenly leveled, casually leveled Pokemon, are TOO HIGH and I defeat most trainers with ease.

I haven't noticed much of a difference except that really weak Pokemon can't be farmed. That's good though, they shouldn't be.

Dawn May 18th, 2011 10:32 PM

At first, I didn't notice how grindy B/W was. Then, I went and played a new Heart Gold file and was like WOAH I'm leveling up fast.

Turns out B/W leveling is a LOT slower than previous games. Me, I detest even the slightest grinding, and would frankly rather have a cakewalk than a grindfest. Idealy, I want the leveling curve to make it so I'm able to never have to stop working on furthering the quest (or side quests).

So it turns out this was one thing about B/W I didn't particularly like. Then again, it was still pretty easy, so, no big deal.

PlatinumDude May 19th, 2011 2:53 AM

Grinding in B/W didn't feel slow to me. Even though I wasn't a serial Audino killer, due to my obsessiveness with EV training, I was able to get away with it by battling a lot of Pokemon that give out the EVs I need. It was also easy to grind when my Pokemon was at a low level.

Ho-Oh May 19th, 2011 5:32 AM

Grinding sucks when first starting out, after that, and when Audino's start to appear, nothing to worry about tbh.

I actually like the exp system changes, since it makes it hell easy to train weak Pokemon later on. :3

Twilight-kun May 19th, 2011 6:45 AM

I NEVER run from wild Pokemon and never avoid trainers...the Audino like to hide from me

I beat Kamitsure (Elesa) and I've literally only run into about 3 Tabuunes...

SHAKE GRASS SHAAAAAKE


please?

well, at least my team is level 25-ish...now to get them all to level 35-37 before I go to Hodomoe...

just takes time to get into the swing of things I guess

AyameHikaru May 19th, 2011 7:47 AM

I hate to tell you this, but you brought it on yourself. I can't find the reference now, but another forum I'm on discovered that using AR to level up has the opposite effect - your Pokémon need a LOT more experience to level up that way! It's one of the levels of AP, sort of, but no one bothered to figure out a way around it since all you have to do is play through it legit.

Long story short, you messed up your game. You want to get through it, you need to restart. Otherwise you're going to be spending a LONG time grinding.

Twilight-kun May 19th, 2011 8:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyameHikaru (Post 6648592)
I hate to tell you this, but you brought it on yourself. I can't find the reference now, but another forum I'm on discovered that using AR to level up has the opposite effect - your Pokémon need a LOT more experience to level up that way! It's one of the levels of AP, sort of, but no one bothered to figure out a way around it since all you have to do is play through it legit.

Long story short, you messed up your game. You want to get through it, you need to restart. Otherwise you're going to be spending a LONG time grinding.


AR was in Black Version

and me gaining 450 exp for beating Bianca's Tepig says hello

Besides, I only use the AR to get event pokemon and items so that I don't have to travel all the way to New York City to get one -_-

solarowl May 19th, 2011 9:23 AM

I never had problems training. The only time I grinded was before the E4, but I do that in every game.

Twilight-kun May 19th, 2011 9:31 AM

there's another thing, the Elite Four
normally, I just battle through until I lose, buy more of an item and repeat until I've got over 100 revives and super potions

this time, there's such a large level jump between the Elite Four (high 40s) to N and Geechisu (50-54)

it's kind of a shame his Reshiram/Zekrom is two levels higher then YOUR dragon...

DemonBlood93 May 19th, 2011 1:04 PM

I like the Exp gain, wasn't to fast wasn't to slow it was just right for me lmao

Twilight-kun May 19th, 2011 1:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemonBlood93 (Post 6648992)
I like the Exp gain, wasn't to fast wasn't to slow it was just right for me lmao


Your avatar <3

anywho, once you got the Exp Share, my life got a LOT easier <3

Seeds Horizon May 19th, 2011 6:15 PM

I never had to grind, except for...Nevermind, no, I pretty much never had to grind. Even for the Elite Four, I didnt really need to, since my Serperior was just that..Superior XD. Audinos are quite good Exp actually. And compared to HG/SS, grinding is quite easy. Run around some grass, wait for it to shake, then run in it..Compared to HG/SS where you either have to battle random Pokemon, or wait for one of those newb trainers you have already beaten call you...

MetalMario May 20th, 2011 2:12 PM

I battled every trainer and random encounter and still needed to grind.

Twilight-kun May 20th, 2011 2:37 PM

hang in there I guess
they're great games, just lacking exp gain until you get Exp Share and Lucky Egg

hyperblast81 May 20th, 2011 3:04 PM

Not at all, by the time I was at the E4, I was able to run in there without any grinding and beat them first try each. Easiest gen I've ever played tbh.

In fact, I didn't have to grind at all..

Twilight-kun May 20th, 2011 3:41 PM

every player offers a unique strategy...I normally am at least 5 levels or below, yet I (somehow) manage to pull off a win...

Legendary Silke May 20th, 2011 10:22 PM

Really? Every time I train my Pokémon, the levels went up pretty fast for me, due to level compensation for Experience Points. It's easier to just chuck an Exp. Share on a Pokémon, and battle a high-levelled Trainer with your favourite battling Pokémon - it's easier. It might be slightly slower, but in the end, it's more fun and less of a chore. And you'll still end up gaining a lot of experience.

Twilight-kun May 20th, 2011 10:49 PM

Exp Share is good, but I don't use it on Gym Leaders, only Trainers and Wild Pokemon....

Boarbeque May 21st, 2011 1:14 PM

When I played through B/W I never actually needed to grind.

I felt that the way they set up the trainers and wild pokemon was that I would almost always be the same level as the trainers I was facing, which actually added a slight bit of challenge.

The way I trained through the game was like this:
Pokemon would be ordered in the way I obtained them. Once my first pokemon reached say level 25, he would go to the bottom of the list until every other pokemon on my team, in order, reached the same level.

I found that my way made my team balanced and also made it easier for me to pull off wins. The only time I was actually over leveled is early on when most of my team members were not on my team.

I never used the Lucky Egg and by the time I reached the Elite Four all of my pokemon were around 45. The only time I used the lucky egg was after the Elite Four, and that was only to gain levels faster against the limited amount of trainers there were.

vaporeon7 May 22nd, 2011 12:12 AM

I found it very slow and tedious to train my Pokemon in Pokemon Black and White.

Especially for my Hall of Fame challenge where I am pretty much forced to battle wild Audino to train. It would be a lot better if there were more things to train on then wild Audino, the E4, Cynthia and that Game Freak guy. Well maybe in the 3rd version we might get something more useful for training.

Bloo May 22nd, 2011 6:28 AM

My strategy in Pokémon games used to be horrible, to be honest, but the new games corrected my game play in the way that I wasn't just training my first Pokémon, but developing a party that I could use throughout the game. I did require some training before the Elite Four, though. The after that, the only time you'll really have to have to train is before the level jump on the right side of Unova, because the Pokémon jump about 10 levels D:. Though if you can defeat them, the new Exp system kicks in, allowing you to be some match against them and jumping a few levels, though I myself haven't reached this quite yet.

Twilight-kun May 22nd, 2011 8:19 AM

the Lucky Egg helps once you get it at Electric Rock Cave

level up 2 pokemon with that and Exp. Share, then switch the Exp Share around and let another pokemon hold the lucky Egg to battle until your team is at a decent level

Amore May 22nd, 2011 10:24 AM

Well, I found it to be perfectly alright, provided you just play through the game without messing around much, just like my first runthrough.

However, this time, I was constantly over-levelled up until the 8th gym (well, actually up until the battle with Bianca before Tubeline Bridge, where she was, amazingly, stronger than me), and so I'd been using Exp. Share to raise random pokémon a lot and restrict my growth. But now I'm underlevelled for the Elite Four!

So, overall I think it's fine. Although that thing about higher-levelled pokémon getting less experience is really annoying.

Twilight-kun May 22nd, 2011 10:58 AM

I guess they wanted you to focus on raising weak pokemon...

Steven May 22nd, 2011 11:19 AM

I found it to be just as easy as in old games, if not easier.

Tabunne and the Lucky Egg exist for a reason.

Twilight-kun May 22nd, 2011 11:43 AM

I liked how they added "Rustling Grass" and other phenomena

Rai May 22nd, 2011 1:55 PM

I think it has great exp points. I had no trouble leveling up my pokemon. I barely did any grinding.

The amount of points you get fighting in battles is ridiculous. I think it makes filling my dex less challenging which is a good and a bad thing.

Twilight-kun May 22nd, 2011 2:03 PM

guess I need to keep pushing forward then...


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