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Twilight-kun May 18th, 2011 10:00 AM

Exp Gain too Low in B/W
 
While I loved murdering millions of Tabuunes (Audino) to level Grind, I really think the Exp gain was much to slow in Black and White

When I played Black, I used my Action relay to give 4X the exp points after every battle

It irked me that you gained so little in the beginning of the game
11 Exp for defeating a level 5 Minnezumi? (Patrat)
that's way too little

I'm at Aloe (Lenora) and my team is still only level 10-12
the trainers in the Gym have level 17 pokemon

well, back to seven wasted hours of boosting my team levels...I want my Lucky Egg now

Oryx May 18th, 2011 10:14 AM

Really? I only had to grind at the E4, so I'm not sure what your issue was with exp gain. Most people seem to think it's too fast, iirc.

Twilight-kun May 18th, 2011 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 6647321)
Really? I only had to grind at the E4, so I'm not sure what your issue was with exp gain. Most people seem to think it's too fast, iirc.


Makes me wonder if I simply need to grind again...I'm playing White now...

Numbers May 18th, 2011 1:31 PM

I personally think it's too slow to level up.
That is of course until you're in a place that has Audino. I usually go up 5 levels with each Poke each time I come to patch of grass with one in it. I never want to leave it haha.

Twilight-kun May 18th, 2011 1:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numbers (Post 6647573)
I personally think it's too slow to level up.
That is of course until you're in a place that has Audino. I usually go up 5 levels with each Poke each time I come to patch of grass with one in it. I never want to leave it haha.


Fainted Audinos...as far as the eye can see...

toss in the lucky eg+Exp Shareg and WHAMMO! levels galore

jigglyppuff8 May 18th, 2011 1:47 PM

I kinda thought that's why the outer area of Pinwheel forest was there for. I played through the game just battling all the trainers, and I don't remember any tedious grinding. I wasn't overleveled either, so that was kind of a nice "challenge". I kinda like the new experience system since it's much easier to get new Pokemon up to higher levels quicker.

███ May 18th, 2011 1:51 PM

It Seemed Pretty Normal To Me Till I Got The Lucky Egg.

DarkAlucard May 18th, 2011 2:31 PM

I've never been grinding my pokemon so I think that the experience you gain as you progress through the story is correct. When I arrived the first time to the Pokemon League, my team was in a 52-55 average levels so I think I did well.

Jaiyke May 18th, 2011 3:07 PM

Maybe you're running from Wild Encounters a little too often?//Avoiding Trainers?
Either that or you're using Pokemon that level up waaaay to Slowly...
reasons like that makes me never wanna catch a Purrloin//Choroneko so early DD:

Everytime I get up to Lenora I'm usually at or around Level 20
...
And if you were at Level 12 then the Experience should be Higher than normal
if you were able to take down the Lvl 14-17 Trainers in the area...
Then again it wouldn't help if you were Avoiding Wild Encounters//Trainers too often...

TheGr8 May 18th, 2011 5:10 PM

At the start it seemed normal to level up, and I didn't find it too painful, but then I got the Lucky Egg and leveling was so easy, esp grinding the the e4.

Bloo May 18th, 2011 5:11 PM

You might want to fight Pokémon that are at a much higher level than you~
You see, the new Exp. system makes grinding harder, but fighting trainers easier. This is how the old Exp. system was.
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6d/ExpGainFormula.png
a = 1 if the Pokémon is wild, with no effect. a=1.5 if the Pokémon is owned by a Trainer.
t = 1 if the Pokémon's OT (Original Trainer) is the trainer that owns it. t = 1.5 if the Pokémon is from a domestic trade (between game regions), and t = 1.7 if the Pokémon is from an international trade (between regions, i.e. North America and Japan).
Quote:

Originally Posted by bulbapedia
  • b is the base experience yield of the fainted Pokémon's species, listed here.
  • e is equal to 1.5 if the winning Pokémon is holding a Lucky Egg, and 1 otherwise.
  • L is the level of the fainted Pokémon.
    • In Generation V, Lp is the level of the victorious Pokémon.
  • s is the number of Pokémon that participated in the battle and have not fainted. If any Pokémon in the party is holding an Exp. Share, s is equal to 2, and for the rest of the Pokémon, s is equal to twice the number of Pokémon that participated instead.
    • If more than one Pokémon is holding an Exp. Share, s is equal to twice the number of Pokémon holding the Exp. Share for each Pokémon holding one.
  • p is equal to 1 if no Exp. Point Power is active, or else equal to the following depending on the power: Power ↓: 0.5; Power ↓↓: 0.66; Power ↓↓↓: 0.8; Power ↑: 1.2; Power ↑↑: 1.5; Power ↑↑↑, Power S, Power MAX: 2.

The new one is different and goes by the other Pokémon's level with a divisor or 5 rather than 7, and multiplying it by all this good stuff n__n
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/01/Delta_exp_gen5.png
Example:
Quote:

Originally Posted by bulbapedia
An internationally traded, level 55 Venusaur has just defeated a wild, level 62 Zekrom.
The base experience yield of Zekrom is 306, meaning that a level 62 Zekrom will normally yield 3794 experience points, when defeated by another Pokémon at level 62. However, this Venusaur is at level 55, meaning that it will yield 4338 experience points. The constant of 1 is added, giving 4339, and the international trade multiplies this by 1.7, meaning that this Zekrom will yield a total of 7376 experience points.

So maybe, try going back to other routes and fighting trainers that you may have avoided, or trying fighting wild Pokémon that are higher level than you.

Tyranee May 18th, 2011 5:12 PM

My party leveled up fine and that was without any Audino grinding and minimal uses of the lucky egg. Maybe you're fighting Pokemon too many levels below you. If you're level 10 and you're fighting a level 5, you'll gain much less xp than a level 4 fighting a level 5. That's one sortof new thing in this game. It also depends on the Pokemon you're using.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 18th, 2011 7:56 PM

For me BW seems easier to get your pokemon leveled up than past games though I do have to grind here and there certain times throughout the game.

Hikamaru May 18th, 2011 8:21 PM

It seems tweaked... unless you fight a lot of Audino.

Due to no Vs. Seeker, the best way to train is knocking out all those Audino.

Niprop May 18th, 2011 8:33 PM

Once you get to the point where you can use the battle subway trick, it all comes down to getting enough money to pay the daycare bills. Of course, Pokémon raised through the daycare method are expensive, and due to the lack of battling, have no EVs, making them somewhat weaker then a Pokémon trained to the same level through grinding.

ltsang May 18th, 2011 9:13 PM

Yah it has seem so slow for me too. I was battling the first grass gym leader and I was like why it is so slow to level up now. Also I kinda notice they put the pokemarket in the pokemon center now. They could've done that with the hg/ss version. I was like what the hE**.

StarlightSerenity May 18th, 2011 9:35 PM

I've found it easy to level up but I always try to either battle trainers or wild pokemon a few levels higher than the pokemon I'm using.

IceSage May 18th, 2011 10:29 PM

The EXP seemed just fine to me. I'm betting that it just seems lower with some Pokemon because they expect you to move on at a certain point, and previous games were too easy to level some of their Pokemon up in Pidgey over and over again.

It probably is suppose to encourage not skipping trainers and using repels, and people tend to do that a lot.

I have most of my Pokemon just about even right now and I'm around my 3rd badge, I haven't had a problem and there seems to be plenty of EXP to go around.

According to the trainers I'm facing, my evenly leveled, casually leveled Pokemon, are TOO HIGH and I defeat most trainers with ease.

I haven't noticed much of a difference except that really weak Pokemon can't be farmed. That's good though, they shouldn't be.

Dawn May 18th, 2011 10:32 PM

At first, I didn't notice how grindy B/W was. Then, I went and played a new Heart Gold file and was like WOAH I'm leveling up fast.

Turns out B/W leveling is a LOT slower than previous games. Me, I detest even the slightest grinding, and would frankly rather have a cakewalk than a grindfest. Idealy, I want the leveling curve to make it so I'm able to never have to stop working on furthering the quest (or side quests).

So it turns out this was one thing about B/W I didn't particularly like. Then again, it was still pretty easy, so, no big deal.

PlatinumDude May 19th, 2011 2:53 AM

Grinding in B/W didn't feel slow to me. Even though I wasn't a serial Audino killer, due to my obsessiveness with EV training, I was able to get away with it by battling a lot of Pokemon that give out the EVs I need. It was also easy to grind when my Pokemon was at a low level.

Ho-Oh May 19th, 2011 5:32 AM

Grinding sucks when first starting out, after that, and when Audino's start to appear, nothing to worry about tbh.

I actually like the exp system changes, since it makes it hell easy to train weak Pokemon later on. :3

Twilight-kun May 19th, 2011 6:45 AM

I NEVER run from wild Pokemon and never avoid trainers...the Audino like to hide from me

I beat Kamitsure (Elesa) and I've literally only run into about 3 Tabuunes...

SHAKE GRASS SHAAAAAKE


please?

well, at least my team is level 25-ish...now to get them all to level 35-37 before I go to Hodomoe...

just takes time to get into the swing of things I guess

AyameHikaru May 19th, 2011 7:47 AM

I hate to tell you this, but you brought it on yourself. I can't find the reference now, but another forum I'm on discovered that using AR to level up has the opposite effect - your Pokémon need a LOT more experience to level up that way! It's one of the levels of AP, sort of, but no one bothered to figure out a way around it since all you have to do is play through it legit.

Long story short, you messed up your game. You want to get through it, you need to restart. Otherwise you're going to be spending a LONG time grinding.

Twilight-kun May 19th, 2011 8:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyameHikaru (Post 6648592)
I hate to tell you this, but you brought it on yourself. I can't find the reference now, but another forum I'm on discovered that using AR to level up has the opposite effect - your Pokémon need a LOT more experience to level up that way! It's one of the levels of AP, sort of, but no one bothered to figure out a way around it since all you have to do is play through it legit.

Long story short, you messed up your game. You want to get through it, you need to restart. Otherwise you're going to be spending a LONG time grinding.


AR was in Black Version

and me gaining 450 exp for beating Bianca's Tepig says hello

Besides, I only use the AR to get event pokemon and items so that I don't have to travel all the way to New York City to get one -_-

solarowl May 19th, 2011 9:23 AM

I never had problems training. The only time I grinded was before the E4, but I do that in every game.


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