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deoxys121 August 21st, 2011 1:28 PM

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Originally Posted by -ty- (Post 6814949)
Agreed Deoxys, I will also add that both heterosexual and homosexuals should be held to the same standards. If you have are in a relationship with someone of the same gender, you should not be forced to hide it. Straight soldier talk about their wives and kids, and they should be able to; it's not so much about "sex" as it is "family". But if a gay guy grabs another soldier anything, yep send him away. The same should happen if a guy grabs a female soldier's whatever, lol. But if someone is purely homophobic, and refuses to work with a gay man, or is racist and refuses to work with a black/hispanic/asian/ Mideastern person, then they are the problem. We cannot discharged minorities because a select few individuals do not like them or are uncomfortable. As Gothitelle stated, the army should be one cohesive unit, whose to say gender, sexuality, or race inhibits that goal?

Fully agreed. And what you say about grabbing another Soldier and stuff like that, during Basic Training and AIT, any sort of physical relationship with any fellow Soldier is strictly prohibited and will get you in serious legal trouble and kicked out of the Army. I got discharged for medical reasons (I have scoliosis), and had no negative consequences other than losing my job as a Soldier. But, any sort of physical relationship of any type during training is grounds for legal trouble.

Alice August 21st, 2011 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Landorus (Post 6813856)
Maybe you should read it instead of just seeing that it mentions Glee. It's not about Glee - it just involves it.

I did read the whole thing. I was responding to -ty- not the tumblr link.

Also, omg so many posts. D:

Shining Raichu August 21st, 2011 5:01 PM

When talking about the military, I think it shows a lot about the intense homophobia some people have that homosexuality even entered people's thought process when it comes to something so important as defending the nation. While I do take Gothitelle's point that it would be safer for the gay people to discharge them when you consider the potential for homophobia in a military environment, I hardly think that their safety would be the reason for the discharge.

Steven August 21st, 2011 8:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shining Raichu (Post 6815192)
When talking about the military, I think it shows a lot about the intense homophobia some people have that homosexuality even entered people's thought process when it comes to something so important as defending the nation. While I do take Gothitelle's point that it would be safer for the gay people to discharge them when you consider the potential for homophobia in a military environment, I hardly think that their safety would be the reason for the discharge.

Following that logic women shouldn't be allowed to join because of the high occurrence of rape and violence/prejudice based upon sexism.

Shining Raichu August 22nd, 2011 3:36 AM

Take it down a notch, I'm on your side lol. I don't agree with Gothitelle, I just said I saw where she was coming from.

Nick August 22nd, 2011 5:00 AM

I don't even see why sexual orientation should matter. When you're willing to risk your life for the safety of an entire nation, what does sexual orientation have to do with anything? People make such a big deal about sexual orientation these days, it's absolutely ridiculous. Who cares if someone's gay? Who cares if someone is straight, even? The armed forces isn't about finding your life partner and creating distractions that are relationships during. It's about protecting your nation.

On the off chance that their safety is at all a concern, it doesn't come across that way - and that's very important in today's society. The way something appears is the way that they people consume it. They'll take discharging openly gay soldiers as bigotry, and then they will assume that it is alright to portray homophobic behavior towards them and other gays. It comes across to the American people and to the world as blatant homophobia from a nation that is supposed to be this diverse pool of people, ranging from all different backgrounds and orientation.

It's very counter-productive of America to have had this policy in the first place, seeing as what America was based on.

Steven August 22nd, 2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Shining Raichu (Post 6815510)
Take it down a notch, I'm on your side lol. I don't agree with Gothitelle, I just said I saw where she was coming from.

I wasn't arguing with you. I was giving you a reason to be against any sort of ban on gays in the military.

Gothitelle. August 22nd, 2011 3:59 PM

But no one is saying that gays should be banned :p

Steven August 23rd, 2011 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gothitelle. (Post 6815888)
But no one is saying that gays should be banned :p

I didn't say anyone did, I just said it because we were talking about gays in the military. -_-

Alice August 23rd, 2011 11:09 AM

I think the conversation kind of died, so mind if I put up a question?

I've heard that some Gays are either against, or don't believe in bisexuality. What's your opinion on it?

I don't understand why anyone would think that tbh... It had never even crossed my mind that it could be any different from being Gay. (Well, I mean it's different, but... you know what I mean. -.-)

Oryx August 23rd, 2011 11:22 AM

My mom personally believes that bisexual isn't a sexuality. She respects gay people plenty, but thinks that being bi is just that you "want to have sex with everyone", lol.

Bisexuality is a hard thing to talk about, because despite the fact that bullying does occur due to sexual orientation, there are circles where it's "cool" to be bi or gay, especially for girls. I had a friend who identified as bisexual, and then saw an older (40s) man who identified as it and said that he was too old to be bi and that it was "gross", to use her term. It's also fairly common from what I've seen for some people to mistake the urge to experiment with their sexuality, because imo if you want to experiment with the same sex a few times, that doesn't make you bisexual necessarily. So in late high school and college, many people will say that they're bisexual when they really mean "I want to be able to experiment with the same sex but not be judged for it". Not that they should be judged for wanting to experiment, but in general opinion I believe people that claim they're bi are judged much less harshly than people who just want to experiment, because experimenting is a term that often has the connotation of a...(wo)man of loose morals, if you will.

I think I may have gone a bit off target with that, lol.

Astinus August 23rd, 2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by QuilavaKing (Post 6816682)
I don't understand why anyone would think that tbh... It had never even crossed my mind that it could be any different from being Gay. (Well, I mean it's different, but... you know what I mean. -.-)

From what I heard from all the reports I've seen of people being against bisexuality, there are a few reasons why gays are against it.

For one thing, there's the fact that bisexuals have passing privilege that gays never have because there's a chance that a bi person could be in a relationship with a person of the opposite sex. Even though the bi person is bi, the world doesn't see them like that, and they're more accepted by society in that way. But for gays, they can't pass as straight in their relationships.

There's also the belief that Toujours's mother has: that bisexuals will just run off with everyone. If a gay person is in a relationship with someone who's bi, there might be a fear that the bi person will run off to be in a relationship with a person of the opposite sex (for reasons I pointed out in the second paragraph).

That's just what I've heard from others, and what I currently remember. If anyone needs me to, I'll explain more on the first paragraph because I know I'm not as coherent as I could be with that.

As for my feelings on bisexuality, I'm fine with it.

Alice August 23rd, 2011 12:01 PM

You can't base anyone's personality on their sexuality. Straight/Gay people are no more or less likely to cheat than someone who is Bi.

Shiny August 23rd, 2011 1:32 PM

I've heard that some Gays are either against, or don't believe in bisexuality. What's your opinion on it?

I respect people who are bisexual just like I would anybody else. I see no reason to hate them, because isn't that what homophobic people do to homosexuals essentially?

LuvdiscLady August 23rd, 2011 2:37 PM

I hope it's alright for me to join :pink_smile:

I don't understand why people discriminate against bisexuals, or anyone of any sexuality really.

I'm bisexual myself, and I really dislike when people claim to be bi just to be "cool" or to fit in or whatever. Especially since I've had to deal with a lot of inner struggles before I could literally accept myself for who I am. And when people just pretend to be like this to seem cool, it really frustrates me because they never had to deal with the things that I had to deal with.

It's not even about wanting to have sex with everyone. I'm just physically attracted to members of both sexes, and I can't help it. I'm not going to go out having sex with every person I see. (In fact, the thought of sex still scares me a little.) I just want to be able to fall in love, whether it be with a man or a woman. :pink_smile:

Alice August 23rd, 2011 3:01 PM

Oh yeah, I think a lot of heterosexuals (my past self included) just automatically assume that all gay people want to have sex with every guy they see, which I would imagine, is what causes them to feel so uncomfortable around gays.

deoxys121 August 23rd, 2011 3:08 PM

I've heard that some Gays are either against, or don't believe in bisexuality. What's your opinion on it?

I don't see a thing wrong with someone being bi. A bisexual person simply has an attraction to both genders, which means they could be in a relationship with either. It does not mean that they want to "have sex with everybody." And I agree that just because a person is gay doesn't mean they want to have sex with every guy/girl (depending on gender) out there. It just means they only want to have a relationship with the same sex. Other than that, the generic homosexual or bisexual is the same as a heterosexual.

Shining Raichu August 23rd, 2011 3:19 PM

Welcome aboard, LuvdiscLady and wcdaily!

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Originally Posted by QuilavaKing
I've heard that some Gays are either against, or don't believe in bisexuality. What's your opinion on it?

I have never heard of people being against bisexuality as such, but I do understand when people don't believe in it, given the amount of gay people who use coming out as bisexual as a stepping stone to coming out as gay. I do believe bisexuality exists and I have no problem with it whatsoever, but I don't believe that everybody who says they are bisexual actually are - simply because it's so often used as a scapegoat on the highway to homo.

Gothitelle. August 23rd, 2011 8:56 PM

Wait there's people who don't believe in bisexuality? That's a first. :p

Anyways, I haven't said it here but lately even with the debates I've had here, I've felt like as if I was attracted to both genders. Some times, mostly guys, most of the time would be girls. To say that I'm either gay or not... well I disagree. I don't think I'm gay at all to be honest. I'm still attracted to guys :p

but yeah, that's my story. OH and I can actually use it to say that I'm straight instead of liking both genders. Because there is the normal aspect of it in my case.

TornZero August 23rd, 2011 9:04 PM

First, a welcome to wcdaily and LuvdiscLady!

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Originally Posted by QuilavaKing (Post 6816682)
I've heard that some Gays are either against, or don't believe in bisexuality. What's your opinion on it?

Second, I'm bisexual myself, so I really shouldn't have a problem with it. It's a sexual attraction to two different genders, unlike hetero- and homosexuality, and I see nothing wrong with that. Granted, there are promiscuity, indecisiveness and more myths abound....

Well! I found an article that covers many major myths about bisexuality here (warning, some words NSFW, obviously, but hey, what IS SFW these days?): http://www.alternet.org/sex/149710/9_stupid_myths_about_bisexuals_that_will_make_you_laugh/

@Gothitelle.: I have my own days where my orientation wavers mostly one way or another and fluctuates to the other end the next, but sexuality is a (mostly) fluid part of one's life.

U.Flame August 23rd, 2011 10:48 PM

I don't understand how people wouldn't like bisexuals. In fact, I envy them. They get the best of both worlds! You can have a crush/fantasy of pretty much anyone you want. You lucky peoples, I wish I could fall in love with Jade the Necromancer!

Gothitelle. August 24th, 2011 11:39 AM

Here's a question: how do you feel when your friends or people around you say gay as another word?

Flaps August 24th, 2011 12:00 PM

Hi I hope im not breaking any rules by posting here. but I wanted to voice my say.

The way I see it, I'm attracted to people. It matters not to me what gender they are. Im not going to say "OH I LIKE THIS PERSON BECAUSE THEY ARE A GUY" or "OH I LIKE THIS PERSON BECAUSE THEY ARE A GIRL" If Im attracted to someone and they happen to be a girl, I can't just say NO YOU ARE A GIRL I DONT LIKE YOU. Thats the way I see bisexuality, attraction to people. Not gender.

Also, as far using the word gay. Its modern times now. I personally think you can say the word now, to call something gay, because I think its got another meaning now completely and utterly unrelated to sexuality. Calling something gay, meaning omg thats so stupid or something along those lines. Your genuinely not calling it gay because being gay is a bad thing, and that is bad so you call it gay. I think they are completely two separate things. Like Hair and Hare, both said the same way, but mean completely different things.

FreakyLocz14 August 24th, 2011 1:11 PM

OPINIONS NEEDED: Bill dealing with "hate speech" being considered
 
H.R. 10
Preserving Freedom Of Speech Act

BILL SUMMARY:
Unless remarks offensive to demographic groups are specifically intended to gravely offend, intimidate, harass, or belittle specific individual(s), such remarks are not considered harassment or hate speech under the campus Code of Conduct.

PASSED A.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ON 8/24/2011
AYES: 58
52/52 GOP, 6/49 DEM
NAYS: 43
43/50 DEM, 0/52 GOP

A.S. SENATE WILL VOTE ON BILL ON 8/31/2011
Membership: 13 GOP, 12 DEM
15 votes are need to invoke cloture in the event of a filibuster.

I'm a Republican Senator representing the Gay-Straight Alliance Club. I'm leaning towards a yes vote, but a slim plurality of my constituents oppose this bill. It would still be punishable by campus sanctions to intentionally and directly harass a student based on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

OPPOSE 47%
SUPPORT 45%
NO OPINION/UNDECIDED 8%

What do you think?

Alice August 24th, 2011 1:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothitelle. (Post 6818106)
How do you feel when your friends or people around you say gay as another word?


Well, I've never really had to deal with it, but I think getting mad about someone saying that something stupid is gay is being way over sensitive,

Alice August 24th, 2011 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 6818251)
H.R. 10
Preserving Freedom Of Speech Act

BILL SUMMARY:
Unless remarks offensive to demographic groups are specifically intended to gravely offend, intimidate, harass, or belittle specific individual(s), such remarks are not considered harassment or hate speech under the campus Code of Conduct.

PASSED A.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ON 8/24/2011
AYES: 58
52/52 GOP, 6/49 DEM
NAYS: 43
43/50 DEM, 0/52 GOP

A.S. SENATE WILL VOTE ON BILL ON 8/31/2011
Membership: 13 GOP, 12 DEM
15 votes are need to invoke cloture in the event of a filibuster.

I'm a Republican Senator representing the Gay-Straight Alliance Club. I'm leaning towards a yes vote, but a slim plurality of my constituents oppose this bill. It would still be punishable by campus sanctions to intentionally and directly harass a student based on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

OPPOSE 47%
SUPPORT 45%
NO OPINION/UNDECIDED 8%

What do you think?

I would probably vote yes, but you should ensure that people aren't going to be able to get out of punishment for harassment simply by saying that it wasn't intentional/targeted at anyone.

FreakyLocz14 August 24th, 2011 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by QuilavaKing (Post 6818265)
I would probably vote yes, but you should ensure that people aren't going to be able to get out of punishment for harassment simply by saying that it wasn't intentional/targeted at anyone.

Student Judicial Affairs determines that at a hearing.

Those supporting the bill claim that they fear they'll get in trouble when discussing controversial topics in class. Also, they fear that saying that something is "gay" would be punishable.

Those opposing have expressed the same concerns you have.

Shining Raichu August 24th, 2011 3:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothitelle. (Post 6818106)
Here's a question: how do you feel when your friends or people around you say gay as another word?

Here's how I see it:

It does not offend me personally. If someone says "that's so gay" or whatever around me, it won't bother me, because I genuinely know they mean no harm. And I do agree that when people get offended by it it's overly sensitive. That said, I do think it sends an awful message to society in that 'gay' and 'bad' become synonymous. I've seen a new generation of kids start to use it, and that does worry me a little.

Also, there are enough words to describe 'bad', so I really don't see why it's needed at all. Just pick one of the existing ones rather than creating new ones, kids.

And in response to Flaps (welcome, by the way!), I don't believe for a second that it has become entirely detached from sexuality. It came from homosexuality and was no doubt originally homophobic in intent.

Alice August 24th, 2011 5:53 PM

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Originally Posted by QuilavaKing (Post 6818255)
Well, I've never really had to deal with it

Well, I take that back. Someone just yelled "Hey gay kid" to me as he drove by. I have officially been insulted for my sexuality for the first time. Yay me.

Ironically, he had a very high pitched voice.


(Although, I'm sure he had no clue who I was, and didn't actually think I was gay, but you know.)

Shining Raichu August 24th, 2011 6:13 PM

Haha congratulations QuilavaKing! You're officially part of the LGBT community now. If you just learn to laugh at a-holes like that then you automatically win life :)

Astinus August 24th, 2011 6:32 PM

To get it out of the way: HERE COMES THE PC POLICE! WE JUST DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE FUN! WE JUST NEED THICKER SKIN!

Because that's a typical response given to those who feel the same way I do.

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Originally Posted by Gothitelle. (Post 6818106)
Here's a question: how do you feel when your friends or people around you say gay as another word?

I'll take it to mean that you are talking about "That's so gay" when "gay" is being used to describe something in a negative manner.

It offends me. Because they're making it out to be that being gay is a negative thing. A bad thing, a stupid thing, a thing that should be hated. Which isn't true, but that's what that kind of language implies.

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Originally Posted by Flaps (Post 6818149)
I personally think you can say the word now, to call something gay, because I think its got another meaning now completely and utterly unrelated to sexuality.

Except people still first think of "gay" to mean homosexuality. There are people who identify as gay, and they shouldn't have the word also mean "stupid" when describing themselves. It's not like "hare" and "hair", which are homophones. "Gay" to mean homosexuality, happy, and stupid are just different definitions for the same word. And one of those definitions is offensive to a lot of people.

Alice August 24th, 2011 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Shining Raichu (Post 6818537)
Haha congratulations QuilavaKing! You're officially part of the LGBT community now. If you just learn to laugh at a-holes like that then you automatically win life :)



:D

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 6818558)
To get it out of the way: HERE COMES THE PC POLICE! WE JUST DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE FUN! WE JUST NEED THICKER SKIN!

Because that's a typical response given to those who feel the same way I do.


I'll take it to mean that you are talking about "That's so gay" when "gay" is being used to describe something in a negative manner.

It offends me. Because they're making it out to be that being gay is a negative thing. A bad thing, a stupid thing, a thing that should be hated. Which isn't true, but that's what that kind of language implies.


Except people still first think of "gay" to mean homosexuality. There are people who identify as gay, and they shouldn't have the word also mean "stupid" when describing themselves. It's not like "hare" and "hair", which are homophones. "Gay" to mean homosexuality, happy, and stupid are just different definitions for the same word. And one of those definitions is offensive to a lot of people.

Generally speaking, I think most people don't intend for it to be offensive, and may not even realize that it's offensive, so I can forgive them for it. As long as they really aren't intending to insult anyone.

Gothitelle. August 24th, 2011 7:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 6818558)
I'll take it to mean that you are talking about "That's so gay" when "gay" is being used to describe something in a negative manner.

It offends me. Because they're making it out to be that being gay is a negative thing. A bad thing, a stupid thing, a thing that should be hated. Which isn't true, but that's what that kind of language implies.

I say that's so gay all the time or I'll tell someone that they are being gay, but I don't mean it in a negative way. :[

ex: My last avatar, was so gay-looking lol

Steven August 24th, 2011 9:42 PM

I don't get mad at people saying something is "gay" because it doesn't mean "Oh that's so stupid like a homosexual" it's just slang..like "What's up?" for "stupid." It has no relation to sexuality.

Now, when they say "Look at that fag" and mean it as "Look at that flaming homosexual" I will personally make sure they die in the flame I breathe out.

Shiny August 24th, 2011 9:52 PM

By saying "that's so gay" it's implying that there is something wrong with homosexuality and in your mind, it gives it a negative connotation so I refuse to let my friends even use it.

Shining Raichu August 24th, 2011 10:04 PM

I feel like again I should re-iterate: why is it even needed? What's the point of it? Are there not enough words for 'stupid' already?

Flaps August 25th, 2011 1:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Shining Raichu (Post 6818369)
And in response to Flaps (welcome, by the way!), I don't believe for a second that it has become entirely detached from sexuality. It came from homosexuality and was no doubt originally homophobic in intent.

Thankyou for the welcome!

Now. I could be entirely wrong on this, I've not researched it so definitely feel free to correct me.

But didn't gay originally mean "happy"? So it didn't come from homosexuality. Obviously people did use it with homophobic intentions, but I believe its moving on from that now. Obviously not for everyone there are still people who use it offensively but I believe its not synonymous anymore.

Gothitelle. August 25th, 2011 3:07 AM

I just think it's stupid that people get worked up over it. Like everyone gets mad at me when I use it on Serebii yet they can use their own gay slang and what not. :p

Shining Raichu August 25th, 2011 6:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaps (Post 6818858)
Thankyou for the welcome!

Now. I could be entirely wrong on this, I've not researched it so definitely feel free to correct me.

But didn't gay originally mean "happy"? So it didn't come from homosexuality. Obviously people did use it with homophobic intentions, but I believe its moving on from that now. Obviously not for everyone there are still people who use it offensively but I believe its not synonymous anymore.

You're quite welcome!

Yeah, happy is another meaning for the word gay, but I can assure you that this new usage did not come from happy lol, it came from homosexual. It's therefore homophobic by definition - the idea that it could have since broken off to form another meaning entirely does not change where it came from or the connotations it will always have because of this.

-ty- August 25th, 2011 6:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jubilation (Post 6818733)
By saying "that's so gay" it's implying that there is something wrong with homosexuality and in your mind, it gives it a negative connotation so I refuse to let my friends even use it.

Exactly Jub, Gothitelle, it's just like someone saying, "that's so black" or "that's so Jewish" when something horrible or irritating happens. It implies that those groups of people are irritating to the rest of the world. Beyond that, when someone says "that's so gay," they intend to say "that's so homosexual" not "that's so happy," you would be lying or rather naive to believe otherwise. Many words have multiple meaning, but usually one can determine which meaning is meant to be conveyed. Ex. "This purebred Maltese poodle is a three-year-old *****." But if someone tells a woman, "You are such a b**ch, the word becomes derogatory, and not acceptable (in the majority of cases!)

Nick August 25th, 2011 7:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flaps (Post 6818858)
But didn't gay originally mean "happy"? So it didn't come from homosexuality. Obviously people did use it with homophobic intentions, but I believe its moving on from that now. Obviously not for everyone there are still people who use it offensively but I believe its not synonymous anymore.

Perhaps in some parts of the world, but where I live, people seem to use gay (among other more provocative words) to describe a lot of things and throw it around insultingly all the time. Rather unfortunate, really, considering the fact that I see it being used now more than in the past. Makes me wonder where in the world you live that it isn't being used like that.

aRedMoon August 25th, 2011 7:41 AM

I personally have no issue with people using "gay" as a slur. I know that 90% of them have no intentions of being homophobic, and it's just become a natural part of speech.

deoxys121 August 25th, 2011 9:07 AM

Everybody please watch this video from start to finish. I loved that people aren't afraid to voice their support for gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424

Gothitelle. August 25th, 2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by aRedMoon (Post 6819146)
I personally have no issue with people using "gay" as a slur. I know that 90% of them have no intentions of being homophobic, and it's just become a natural part of speech.

Yeah this. It's just a part of speech to me. I don't mean to say anything mean about homosexuals. I just hate it when I can't say gay because of them.

I mean, I'm half black and such and if anyone or any friends of mine said the N word, then I wouldn't say they aren't aloud to say it. I personally wouldn't care. :p

Quote:

Everybody please watch this video from start to finish. I loved that people aren't afraid to voice their support for gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424

I've seen that on TV, that was a good episode. Personally I wouldn't really say anything but yeah. Since I myself find having two moms/dads weird.

Alice August 25th, 2011 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by deoxys121 (Post 6819261)
Everybody please watch this video from start to finish. I loved that people aren't afraid to voice their support for gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424

Wow, that's awesome. I hope it was legit.

Shining Raichu August 25th, 2011 5:18 PM

That video was posted by someone a while back (I'm pretty sure it was in this thread, anyway, but I could be wrong). That was quite possibly the most heartwarming video I've ever seen.

Also, it's time for more gay news! This is a pair of articles about an Australian bigot politician named Bob Katter who is vehemently against gay marriage. You'll need to read both articles to get why it's so interesting. In a way, it's an Australian Michelle Bachmann parallel.

Article 1
Article 2

I think more disturbing than the articles is one of the comments I saw on Article 2:

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Originally Posted by Someone Who Wouldn't Dare Say That To My Face If They Know What's Good For Them
You are a defeatist Sunshine. The way our government is treating this country, it will soon be taken over by muslims. Then Bob won't have anything to worry about, because they will soon get rid of the Gay movement, with one clear swipe.
Carl said Bob is inciting hate ..... no Bob is not! Carl and his Gay group are inciting hate by trying to steal into marriage of straight people.

If they want to live their life in this disgusting manner, then let them find another name for it. The Gay community is inciting hatred in people..

How sad for Bob to have Carl as his half Brother."


Alice August 25th, 2011 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Shining Raichu (Post 6819957)
That video was posted by someone a while back (I'm pretty sure it was in this thread, anyway, but I could be wrong). That was quite possibly the most heartwarming video I've ever seen.

Also, it's time for more gay news! This is a pair of articles about an Australian bigot politician named Bob Katter who is vehemently against gay marriage. You'll need to read both articles to get why it's so interesting. In a way, it's an Australian Michelle Bachmann parallel.

Article 1
Article 2

I think more disturbing than the articles is one of the comments I saw on Article 2:

And now I'm sad again. :(

twistedpuppy August 25th, 2011 7:23 PM

I keep asking myself the same question since I was 14. Do I matter to these people? Because honestly I don't feel like it.
EDIT: By these people I mean politicians.

FreakyLocz14 August 25th, 2011 9:23 PM

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Originally Posted by deoxys121 (Post 6819261)
Everybody please watch this video from start to finish. I loved that people aren't afraid to voice their support for gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424

I'm not surprised. In big cities, people tend to keep to themselves and their company while in public. In small towns, people are more social with strangers.

Esper August 26th, 2011 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by deoxys121 (Post 6819261)
Everybody please watch this video from start to finish. I loved that people aren't afraid to voice their support for gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424

Okay, talk about ironic when you go to watch a video about gay parents and youtube gives you an ad for mattresses showing a bunch of naked-but-covered straight couples lying in bed.

I saw this once before and it's great to know there are good people out there.

FreakyLocz14 August 26th, 2011 11:51 AM

Is anyone here from NYC? This crazy Jamaican homophobic lady is always in the subways singing about how lesbians and "batty boys" are following her everywhere.











What the hell is a "batty boy", anyway?

Alice August 26th, 2011 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakyLocz14 (Post 6820986)
What the hell is a "batty boy", anyway?

I guess she hates Baseball. Not sure what the two have to do with each other though.

If I ever go to NYC, I should find her and follow her around, wearing a shirt that says Batty Boy.

Alice August 26th, 2011 1:26 PM

I liked it better when it was just gibberish. -.-

Gothitelle. August 26th, 2011 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by twistedpuppy (Post 6820145)
I keep asking myself the same question since I was 14. Do I matter to these people? Because honestly I don't feel like it.
EDIT: By these people I mean politicians.

Everyone matters to them, they are just no politically correct, which isn't a bad thing.

Here's another topic: If you could change your sexual orientation would you?

Shining Raichu August 26th, 2011 4:36 PM

lmao ok ok ok, am I the only one who kind of loves the term 'batty boy'? I've never heard of it before and I realise it's meant to be derogatory, but it sounds AWESOME. I sort of want to change my usertitle to it :P

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Originally Posted by Gothitelle. (Post 6821343)
Here's another topic: If you could change your sexual orientation would you?

We've had this question before lol, twice if I recall :P you're welcome to answer though, since you weren't around at the time! Well anyone's still welcome to answer really, but I don't see the point if you have before.

TornZero August 26th, 2011 5:21 PM

I wouldn't change my sexual orientation. It's a part of me, just like the rest of my life.

Gothitelle. August 26th, 2011 7:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shining Raichu (Post 6821371)
lmao ok ok ok, am I the only one who kind of loves the term 'batty boy'? I've never heard of it before and I realise it's meant to be derogatory, but it sounds AWESOME. I sort of want to change my usertitle to it :P

your being such a batty boy! LOL

I'm liking it as well XD

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We've had this question before lol, twice if I recall :P you're welcome to answer though, since you weren't around at the time! Well anyone's still welcome to answer really, but I don't see the point if you have before.
Whoops sorry about that. I got the idea from another gay club I was in :p

Alice August 26th, 2011 8:25 PM

Sounds really stupid to me. lol

Renii August 26th, 2011 9:20 PM

On the topic of people using gay as a term for "bad."

Idk if I have told posted this in this thread before but anyway. In India, people use the word "hijra" or "chhakka" as an insult. These people are basically transsexual or trangendered people. And this is considered as acceptable behaviour. Young children, like 5-6 year olds would also use words like this to insult each other, especially the effeminate ones.
And gay, hmm, almost everybody here considers being homosexual wrong, and gay is pretty much an insult, any way you use it :O

Back to the topic. When I first came out, one of my friends called me a fag. In his defense, he said that his peer group used the word as an insult always, and that he really didn't mean to offend me because he hadn't used that word in a homophobic way.
My point is, I can forgive people if they use the word fag or gay to say something is stupid, but I don't like the usage. I agree with Shining Raichu on this point, why do you need a new word which could offend others around you rather than just say what you actually mean?

an illegible mess. August 28th, 2011 10:15 AM

it's awesome that pc has a group like this too! i guess i'll join as a proud lesbian. ^^

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I would just like to mention, at my school, I hear gay more times when someone is insulting or making fun of gays or calling someone gay more times then I hear someone call something stupid gay. (That still happens though.) To be honest, that kinda bothers me a bit.
same at my school. everybody insults gays. i only know a handful of people who are for gay marriage and accept it. actually, one of the teachers at my school is a lesbian, and i hear all sorts of insults towards her from other kids. they don't say it in her face, but i hear people back talking about her. i stepped in someone's group where they were talking crap about her and told them that they should be more respectful, and that love is love and she is doing no wrong in loving the same gender. i don't know if they cared or not, as i walked away afterwards.

U.Flame August 28th, 2011 10:20 AM

I remember when Proposition 8 was proposed, I was the only one against it. In fact, there were many parents that walked around the school with support Proposition 8 signs. I wanted to scream at them every time I walked by. But thankfully, my English teacher was openly against it.

FreakyLocz14 August 28th, 2011 1:31 PM

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Originally Posted by U_Flame (Post 6823977)
I remember when Proposition 8 was proposed, I was the only one against it. In fact, there were many parents that walked around the school with support Proposition 8 signs. I wanted to scream at them every time I walked by. But thankfully, my English teacher was openly against it.

The only teacher that ever expressed their opinion on it, my math teacher, was for it.

Shining Raichu August 29th, 2011 12:37 AM

Welcome, an illegible mess.! (there's a sentence I never thought I'd say lol).

@ an illegible mess. and U_Flame - where do you guys live that are so homophobic?

Esper August 29th, 2011 11:34 AM

Since someone brought up Prop 8 that reminded me of a gay-marriage-debate-flow-chart I saw once. This one. It's amusing to read, and pretty helpful too, although it does contain a few instances of that certain 3-letter f-word, in a few quotations, on some of that "against" arguments. Just a warning.

Alice August 29th, 2011 11:44 AM

"Marriage is sacred."

"Britney Spears."

Yep, I'm convinced.

-ty- August 29th, 2011 5:49 PM

Does anyone else think that it is more difficult for LGBT people to date? And that there are more strains in relationships than in heterosexual relationships generally?

Alice August 29th, 2011 9:11 PM

I have no clue, I've never been in a relationship. lol

I'd say there are definitely less available choices out there, and there's no way of really knowing if they are Gay or not... and if you can't tell, then it's really risky to actually ask someone outright, so that narrows your choices down to about... zero.

Yeah, it's harder.

Esper August 29th, 2011 9:56 PM

Does anyone else think that it is more difficult for LGBT people to date? And that there are more strains in relationships than in heterosexual relationships generally?

The T among us LGBTers have it ever more rough in terms of dating. Unless one of us reaches for one of the far ends of the traditional gender binary (meaning aiming to look quite masculine or feminine) and is able to look "normal" doing it then huge numbers of people discount us outright.

With dating, and I can't say I have a LOT of experience, it's got all the social stigmas you expect plus its own unique issues that not many people have ever had to face, namely reexamining their own sexuality.

Rossay August 29th, 2011 10:52 PM

Does anyone else think that it is more difficult for LGBT people to date? And that there are more strains in relationships than in heterosexual relationships generally?

Well, considering I've never dated a guy I can't provide much insight. However, I do think it is more difficult for LGBT people to date because there are far fewer of us, it can be difficult to find a partner & also, you aren't given as broad a range of people to date (based on numbers) as you would get if you were hetero.

With regards to strains, both hetero and homo relationships face issues. I'd say LGBT people face more in terms of social stigma & trying to feel comfortable with each other. Though, hetero people have to worry about unwanted pregnancy lol -- I'm glad that won't be an issue for me ;D.

FreakyLocz14 August 30th, 2011 7:29 AM

I'm obviously not a firsthand source, but from what I gather:

-When finding a partner, one has to be sure that the person is LGBT before they even attempt to see if they are interested in them. Finding that out can be difficult and awkward.
-Going on dates can be problematic because ignorant people can harass you.

deoxys121 August 30th, 2011 7:36 AM

Does anyone else think that it is more difficult for LGBT people to date? And that there are more strains in relationships than in heterosexual relationships generally?

It's definitely more difficult at least for them to ask someone out. It can be very difficult to tell whether a person is straight, gay, or bi. Also, with the actions of some people who are homophobic, it could actually be a danger to the person to ask a straight person out, thinking he or she is gay. I actually have experience of the opposite nature, asking a girl out and thus finding out she's a lesbian. Yes, that did happen to me once. Also, with people who are transgender, they would have to tell the person early on that they are transgender and what they are in regards to whether they have had extensive surgery to make them as male/female as possible, or whether or not they plan to have it done. That way, if the person they're with doesn't accept them, they don't get hurt as bad, or if they do accept them, they know they've found someone good.

As far as strains, I would think a homosexual relationship has the same strains as a heterosexual relationship. Things like money, stress, family, and everything else you can think would come into play in both a homosexual and heterosexual relationship. The only other thing I can think of with a homosexual relationship is people seeing their public displays of affection (holding hands, kissing, etc.) and not being accepting of it.

Alice August 30th, 2011 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by deoxys121 (Post 6827027)
Does anyone else think that it is more difficult for LGBT people to date? And that there are more strains in relationships than in heterosexual relationships generally?

It's definitely more difficult at least for them to ask someone out. It can be very difficult to tell whether a person is straight, gay, or bi. Also, with the actions of some people who are homophobic, it could actually be a danger to the person to ask a straight person out, thinking he or she is gay.

Yeah, you really can't just ask people outright, and a lot of the time, there's really no other way to find out.

Yesterday, I met this really hot guy working at a game store here, but I have no way of knowing if he's gay, and I'm definitely not going to ask. If he's not, he'd probably kill me, considering what most people are like where I live. *sadface*

Shining Raichu August 31st, 2011 3:39 AM

I don't really have an answer to that question that can expand on what has already been said, but I do have another question:

In straight relationships, it's generally accepted that the man will propose. In a homosexual relationship, there are either two men or no men at all. Would you rather be the one to propose, or would you prefer to be proposed to?

Esper August 31st, 2011 11:01 AM

My gay friend tells me that it's actually pretty easy for him to date (living around the San Francisco area like he does), but that it's very hard to find a lasting relationship and that's why he doesn't want to date anymore.

Marriage doesn't mean too much to me, but since I'm a shy person and I like nice surprises I'd say I'd rather have someone else do the proposing if it ever came to that. I'd hope that with any couple no one would feel they had to do something one way just cause they were a girl or a guy.

FreakyLocz14 August 31st, 2011 12:43 PM

Update for those interested in

H.R. 10
Preserving Freedom Of Speech Act

BILL SUMMARY:
Unless remarks offensive to demographic groups are specifically intended to gravely offend, intimidate, harass, or belittle specific individual(s), such remarks are not considered harassment or hate speech under the campus Code of Conduct.

PASSED A.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ON 8/24/2011
AYES: 58
52/52 GOP, 6/49 DEM
NAYS: 43
43/49 DEM, 0/52 GOP

PASSED A.S. SENATE ON 8/31/2011, CLOTURE INVOKED
AYES: 15 (for cloture and passage)
13/13 GOP, 2/12 DEM
NAYS: 10
10/12 DEM, 0/13 GOP

SINGED BY A.S PRESIDENT ON 8/31/2011

This pretty much just eases up campus "hate speech" rules.

Alice August 31st, 2011 1:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 6828488)
My gay friend tells me that it's actually pretty easy for him to date (living around the San Francisco area like he does), but that it's very hard to find a lasting relationship and that's why he doesn't want to date anymore.

Meh, hopefully I don't have trouble with that. I really wouldn't want anything but a long term relationship.

TornZero August 31st, 2011 8:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shining Raichu (Post 6828103)
In straight relationships, it's generally accepted that the man will propose. In a homosexual relationship, there are either two men or no men at all. Would you rather be the one to propose, or would you prefer to be proposed to?

Depending on the person, and how open-minded they are (I know a homosexual who's actually very close-minded despite... well, being homosexual, which kind of takes some open-mindedness), I would either be the one to propose (making some convoluted proposal or something that makes it all the more entertaining), or the one being proposed to (likely something simple, which I'm almost completely incapable of because my own mind likes to wander if I don't keep an eye on it >_>).

-ty- September 1st, 2011 7:40 AM

In straight relationships, it's generally accepted that the man will propose. In a homosexual relationship, there are either two men or no men at all. Would you rather be the one to propose, or would you prefer to be proposed to?


My boyfriend is assertive in a good way; although this is a fairly new relationship, if all works out, I know that he will be the one to propose as I would also prefer. It is interesting that in some gay couples there are not clear gender-like roles in the relationship, and in others there are very distinct ones. I would say that we fall somewhere in the middle leaning toward having some gender-like roles.

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Originally Posted by QuilavaKing (Post 6828717)
Meh, hopefully I don't have trouble with that. I really wouldn't want anything but a long term relationship.

That's great; just don't let ANYONE discourage you. I remember quite a few guys that kept trying to coerce me into believing that GLBT relationships are not lasting and that I'd might as well just "have fun". Yeah, I found out that my ex of two years had cheated on me several times and even knocked up a girl! So although that is discouraging, and you may also have similar discouraging relationships as I have seen with MANY other gay men with their own relationships in the past. Too many of us give up, I just wanted to let you know, because there are alot of ***holes out there that try to make you think otherwise. Wow, that was a huge ramble, lol. Sorry about that :)

Who's Kiyo? September 1st, 2011 8:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Shining Raichu (Post 6828103)
I don't really have an answer to that question that can expand on what has already been said, but I do have another question:

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Originally Posted by Shining Raichu (Post 6828103)

In straight relationships, it's generally accepted that the man will propose. In a homosexual relationship, there are either two men or no men at all. Would you rather be the one to propose, or would you prefer to be proposed to?

I've thought about this, and honestly, I have no idea how it will work out for me.

At this rate, we'll end up proposing to each other at the same time.

*Kneels down* "Marry me?"

"....I was just about to do that."

"What?"

"Yeah, didn't all my speeches about you and love tip you off?"

"Didn't the dinner on the eiffel tower tip you off?"

"Come on, you had to notice I was holding a Four Carat diamond ring in my hand this entire time."

"What about the Sapphire and Ruby ring I put in your champagne glass?"

"That was a ring? I thought I got some grape pulp or something."

"What do you mean 'Grape Pulp?' It was a ring with a rocks on it!"

"They go down feeling the same!"

But.... when the time comes, if I feel I'm the one who wants to pop the question, I will. I wouldn't mind if I got proposed to, though.

Steven September 1st, 2011 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wcdaily (Post 6830054)
Today at my school, in my art class the students were having mixed conversations about glee and techno music, then some girl was saying her older brother still watches glee and listens to techno music, then she said "You can easily tell a gay guy by the music they listen to." This made me really mad, even though I didn't really show it at the time, I'm pansexual and I don't listen to techno or glee. So how do you guys feel about the constant stereotypes pointed towards members of the lgbt community?

Glee is a show, not a band. Although you can still listen to it, I get the vibe you didn't know. :x

And you love Glee. Every not-straight person does. You just don't realize it yet >:o

Esper September 1st, 2011 12:47 PM

I hate stereotypes. I wish anyone who wasn't sure about what they thought would just ask instead of assuming.

What bothers me more though is when people who should know better fall for stereotypes. Like my friend who's gay. He listens to techno and watches Glee, but of course he has other music he listens to like Lady Gaga. Okay, bad example. Anyway, he has said once or twice that he thinks that being gay makes him more attracted to certain kinds of music just like all the stereotypes say. I'm not sure he's kidding though. If I confront him about it and say that he's joking he kinda gets offended. I think he might half believe it.

U.Flame September 1st, 2011 5:24 PM

Sorry I haven't been on in a while, my laptop broke but my new phone has internet. I may not be as active as before but I'm still back. :P

Alice September 1st, 2011 6:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wcdaily (Post 6830054)
Today at my school, in my art class the students were having mixed conversations about glee and techno music, then some girl was saying her older brother still watches glee and listens to techno music, then she said "You can easily tell a gay guy by the music they listen to." This made me really mad, even though I didn't really show it at the time, I'm pansexual and I don't listen to techno or glee. So how do you guys feel about the constant stereotypes pointed towards members of the lgbt community?

Here's a few of my favorite songs.
Spoiler:



I could be wrong, but it doesn't sound like techno to me.

Oh, and I hate Glee. :)
(Don't kill me. D:)

Who's Kiyo? September 1st, 2011 9:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wcdaily (Post 6830054)
So how do you guys feel about the constant stereotypes pointed towards members of the lgbt community?

Bleh. Regardless of a person's sexual orientation, they have likes. Just because someone likes Lady Gaga or Glee and happens to be homosexual, it doesn't mean they like those things because they're homosexual.

Maybe it's an exposure thing. In all honesty, I probably wouldn't have gotten into Gaga that quickly if my GSA didn't introduce me to her. If something becomes popular in a particular subculture, you can bet people within that subculture who haven't been exposed yet and are curious are going to check it out.

It's like "geeks" with Minecraft. The "geeks" don't like Minecraft because they're "geeks," they like Minecraft because it's freaking Minecraft. <3 However, they were possibly introduced to Minecraft because they were a "geek" and were informed about it by fellows "geeks."

If someone made a video that had a lot of Asian fans, someone might spread the news that "Asians love this video!" Curious, more Asian people would look at the video to see what the fuss is about.

My point is, if you're in a specific group where something becomes popular amongst it, you can be introduced by the group, but you'll judge it on your own merits. (If you're not a super-conformist.)

So that's how stereotypes like what you said stem from, and that's just stupidity dribbling from someone's mouth because they're making a stupid assumption in attempt to make a joke, which in turn wasn't really that funny.

Shining Raichu September 2nd, 2011 4:57 AM

Gay stereotyping, or any stereotyping for that matter, is an example of the post hoc fallacy. For those of you who don't know what that is (I only learned about it during an ill-advised attempt at taking an economics class lol), it's the false assumption that because B happened after A, A therefore caused B.

In essence, what I'm saying is the same as what everyone else is saying: Just because someone is gay and subsequently likes Glee, it doesn't mean the fact that he/she is gay caused them to like Glee.

/ohlookatmeitalkallpretentiouslol

Also, I will post some gay news tomorrow. I was going to do it now since it's been like a week, but nine-hour shifts at work tend to kill your energy levels :P

Esper September 2nd, 2011 9:20 AM

I seem to have some spare energy so here are some news articles to chew on while SR gets some rest.
I gotta say, I'm quite saddened by some of what I read in the first article. I mean, Dancing With The Stars isn't at all important in the great scheme of things, but I thought people would be better than this.

And the Prop-8 supporting Mormon church seems to be on the PR offensive.

Renii September 2nd, 2011 9:23 AM

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Originally Posted by -ty- (Post 6826299)
Does anyone else think that it is more difficult for LGBT people to date? And that there are more strains in relationships than in heterosexual relationships generally?

Given the fact that the only gay people I know are on PC and Reddit, I'd say yes.

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Originally Posted by Shining Raichu (Post 6828103)
In straight relationships, it's generally accepted that the man will propose. In a homosexual relationship, there are either two men or no men at all. Would you rather be the one to propose, or would you prefer to be proposed to?

I would most definitely like to be proposed to. I will be the emotionally dependent person in a relationship, so I guess... :P

Oh and I like Glee (the music, the storyline is sooo weird -_-) I've recently started liking Gaga.
What about MLP? :P

Alice September 2nd, 2011 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Renii (Post 6831322)
What about MLP? :P

Okay, you got me there... I love MLP. lol

Fairy September 2nd, 2011 11:38 AM

Hey! I'm Alexial, and I would love to join this club and show my support! :3

I'm bisexual, currently in a heterosexual relationship, which I am very happy with. I guess, I'm posting here to ask for advice too (and change the topic apparently ;o; sorry about that), because I've recently had problems with my sexual identity. I apologize if this question has been asked before, I looked to make sure, but there's never any harm in saying sorry in advanced xD;

So, Bisexuals - Would you "change" your sexual orientation according to your relationship if there were a guarantee that it will last?

Other Sexual Identities - What about you? Hypothetically, if you were Bisexual and in a Straight/Otherwise relationship, would you tell people that you were bisexual despite that?


Let me just say, I have always identified as Bisexual. But now that my current relationship is getting serious, I'm beginning to question whether or not it would benefit anyone to tell them (my partner already knows). I will always be me, and I'm a very big advocate of being honest to myself. And it is something that I will always know, like about myself, and be comfortable with. But, if I know for a fact that someone will disapprove, and by all appearances I'm "straight", should I bother telling them in the first place?

I also want to say, I think this is an amazing club and you're doing a wonderful thing here. I've especially enjoyed how there has been a big emphasis on education and awareness, which is fundamental to the cause at its essence. I'm proud to be a part of something like this, and I'm glad everyone has made it such a safe and inviting environment. No matter what anyone says, you should all be very proud of what you're doing.

Astinus September 2nd, 2011 1:34 PM

For me, just because you're in a heterosexual relationship, it doesn't mean that you stop being bisexual. And if someone says that you're straight even after you tell them that you're bi, they're erasing/policing your identity. The ones that would "disapprove" of you are the ones with the problems, and you shouldn't have to lie to them (and yourself) to make them feel better.

It's up to you to decide if you tell people you're bi or not. But for me, my sexual identity doesn't change no matter who/if I'm with someone, and I tell people the truth.

Welcome to the club, by the way!

FreakyLocz14 September 2nd, 2011 2:26 PM

Nowadays, the female proposes sometimes. I guess as culture accepts that woman aren't always submissive, expected gender roles will change.

Fairy September 2nd, 2011 6:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 6831786)
For me, just because you're in a heterosexual relationship, it doesn't mean that you stop being bisexual. And if someone says that you're straight even after you tell them that you're bi, they're erasing/policing your identity. The ones that would "disapprove" of you are the ones with the problems, and you shouldn't have to lie to them (and yourself) to make them feel better.

It's up to you to decide if you tell people you're bi or not. But for me, my sexual identity doesn't change no matter who/if I'm with someone, and I tell people the truth.

Welcome to the club, by the way!

I've gotten to the point that I don't tell people unless they ask. So it's really inspiring to hear that you tell people your sexuality shamelessly. Truthfully though, am I censoring myself to benefit other people? Yes. And I'm not necessarily happy about that. But.. I know who I am, and I can't be stripped of that.

However, you're right, it does feel like my identity is being policed. I shouldn't have to doubt something that I know is true and love about myself, especially at my own expense. It's just something that I think about now that my life is in a different place. I really appreciate you're opinion, Astinus. Thank you.

FreakyLocz14 September 2nd, 2011 8:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexial357 (Post 6832280)


I've gotten to the point that I don't tell people unless they ask. So it's really inspiring to hear that you tell people your sexuality shamelessly. Truthfully though, am I censoring myself to benefit other people? Yes. And I'm not necessarily happy about that. But.. I know who I am, and I can't be stripped of that.

However, you're right, it does feel like my identity is being policed. I shouldn't have to doubt something that I know is true and love about myself, especially at my own expense. It's just something that I think about now that my life is in a different place. I really appreciate you're opinion, Astinus. Thank you.

I don't feel like it's necessary to tell people your sexuality like that. First impressions tend to be lasting. If your sexual orientation is one of the first things people learn about you, they'll tend to think of you as "that gay person".

TornZero September 2nd, 2011 10:03 PM

1) Welcome, Alexial!

2) In answer to the question, I wouldn't bother to "change" my orientation. I wouldn't want to, regardless of whether or not the relationship would last. I'd just be fighting between my body and mind.

In other news, I have a question, similar to the "pill that makes you straight" question, but with much more freedom regarding the answer.

If you could have any one wish granted concerning your sexual orientation, gender identity and physical sex, what would it be and why?

Personally, I would wish to be biologically female (for those who don't know, I'm bigendered and somewhat dysphoric; while I can accept being biologically male and have my days where I'm more masculine, I still try ignoring it since it just doesn't feel right with me during many of my waking hours [and even in some of my dreams >_<]).
Given the option of surgery at the current capabilities of medical science, I would refuse in a heartbeat simply due to the fact that while I would obviously be less male, it still wouldn't be the real thing; it would only look like it from the outside for the most part.

Esper September 3rd, 2011 1:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexial357 (Post 6831540)
So, Bisexuals - Would you "change" your sexual orientation according to your relationship if there were a guarantee that it will last?

Other Sexual Identities - What about you? Hypothetically, if you were Bisexual and in a Straight/Otherwise relationship, would you tell people that you were bisexual despite that?

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Originally Posted by TornZero (Post 6832572)
If you could have any one wish granted concerning your sexual orientation, gender identity and physical sex, what would it be and why?

I will now magically answer all these questions in one muddled response.

First of all, my wish would be for an all-natural all-female body. That would help me with some of my relationship... issues (as well as being just wonderful in itself). At the moment I'm in a, well, a relationship with someone and my identity is somewhat of an issue because I'm... not a common type of person, I guess. It's not the easiest feeling to be transgendered without having had surgery, and to be somewhat attracted to both genders and intersexed people, but at the same time be somewhat demisexual. I mean, I'm okay with myself, but I'm always worried I come off as too weird to other people and it makes me want to be more "normal." I don't really get the chance to have my sexuality just be there without having to explain. Again, not that I'm ashamed much but I would like to be able to keep it to myself sometimes until I felt ready to talk about it.

Shining Raichu September 3rd, 2011 6:44 AM

A big welcome to Alexial!!!

And thank you Scarf for posting news, I had another 9 hour shift today so I was going to do it tomorrow, but you have given me a wondrous reprieve. Even Raichus need their sleep :P

As for Alexial's question, the thing about being bisexual is that you don't NEED to change your sexuality to be with anybody. You can be a bisexual person and date heterosexually or homosexually. It's kind of a gift really lol

Astinus September 3rd, 2011 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TornZero (Post 6832572)

If you could have any one wish granted concerning your sexual orientation, gender identity and physical sex, what would it be and why?

To be more biologically androgynous. I'm not fully female, I'm not fully male, so I want a body that finally reflects that. Or at least a more male look, since I lean towards being male and for some reason, I'm more comfortable passing for male than passing as female.

deoxys121 September 3rd, 2011 4:13 PM

This Facebook page has an excellent cause. It's called Wipeout Homophobia on Facebook. I have made a few posts there (just discovered it). I encourage you all to "Like" the page. I'm Josh Newsome, so you can identify my posts.

Shining Raichu September 4th, 2011 5:39 PM

That's a fantastic Facebook page, I signed myself up!

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Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 6831316)
I seem to have some spare energy so here are some news articles to chew on while SR gets some rest.
I gotta say, I'm quite saddened by some of what I read in the first article. I mean, Dancing With The Stars isn't at all important in the great scheme of things, but I thought people would be better than this.

And the Prop-8 supporting Mormon church seems to be on the PR offensive.

I was going to post some news today, but then I realised that we never really got around to discussing the news that Scarf was kind enough to post for me the other day :)

The one about Chaz Bono I found incredibly interesting. I don't see why it matters that he was born female - he's not female now, he has had the operations and is officially a male, so why bother kicking up a fuss? What is nice, though, is that his fellow contestants are sticking up for him. I was watching E! News and the host asked Elizabetta.... I don't know how to spell her name, but it's George Clooney's ex-girlfriend, and even in her broken English she managed to tell the bigots to get a life.

Esper September 7th, 2011 9:45 AM

Is everyone back in school and not posting here or what?

Oh, there's a good idea for new question (hopefully it's new). How is your school (or the school you used to go to) in terms of LGBTetc. issues? Is it supportive? Are there bullies and other bad eggs? Do you have a GSA on campus? (Those are just sample questions - you don't have to answer them.) Generally, what's it like?


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