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Ho-Oh June 1st, 2011 8:27 PM

The Shadow Triad
 
In the games, the shadow triad are basically people who work for Ghetsis throughout the storyline. There's only three of them and there's basically no history behind them.

1. Do you like the shadow triad? Would've you preferred if they had some sort of storyline themselves? Or do you find them creepy? :(

2. How do you feel about the shadow triad = cilan, cress and chili theory? Do you think it's likely - if so, do you have reasoning to back that up or are you one of those who thinks it's a stupid and unlikely theory?

(Truthfully, I made this because I didn't really consider this an easter egg, so hopefully discussion can remain here with um, more interesting theories!)

Vrai June 1st, 2011 8:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 6672444)
In the games, the shadow triad are basically people who work for Ghetsis throughout the storyline. There's only three of them and there's basically no history behind them.

1. Do you like the shadow triad? Would've you preferred if they had some sort of storyline themselves? Or do you find them creepy? :(

2. How do you feel about the shadow triad = cilan, cress and chili theory? Do you think it's likely - if so, do you have reasoning to back that up or are you one of those who thinks it's a stupid and unlikely theory?

(Truthfully, I made this because I didn't really consider this an easter egg, so hopefully discussion can remain here with um, more interesting theories!)

I dunno how you can come up with a better theory than "shadow triad = cilan, cress & chili" tbh. I mean, it's the shadow -triad- and there are three of them and they weren't present at that whole seven sages vs gym leaders thing. I mean... the only resounding argument I've heard against it was "Oh Bianca is just a silly and didn't get them fast enough" or whatever. I mean, if she couldn't find them to get them to come that means they were somewhere else, yes? Which means...

Yeah, I dunno though. I'm a firm believer that yes, they're the Striaton Gym Leaders but I think that honestly if they are it'll be revealed in the third game. This part of my post might belong in third game spec thread but if it is true that they are the shadow triad, then it has to be revealed at some point in the game and I think that'd be a really interesting plot point - those people that we always thought were on our side being baddies? What if other gym leaders are bad guys too?

I think we might see backstory/more plot development on them in the next game, tbh. They're really strange right now though, especially since we literally know nothing about them at all except that there are three and somehow they can teleport. :(

Gymnotide June 1st, 2011 8:36 PM

rofl I love you, Nica.
I didn't like how they just disappear at the end of the game. It makes the game seem rushed.

Legendary Silke June 2nd, 2011 1:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever (Post 6672444)
In the games, the shadow triad are basically people who work for Ghetsis throughout the storyline. There's only three of them and there's basically no history behind them.

1. Do you like the shadow triad? Would've you preferred if they had some sort of storyline themselves? Or do you find them creepy? :(

2. How do you feel about the shadow triad = cilan, cress and chili theory? Do you think it's likely - if so, do you have reasoning to back that up or are you one of those who thinks it's a stupid and unlikely theory?

(Truthfully, I made this because I didn't really consider this an easter egg, so hopefully discussion can remain here with um, more interesting theories!)

1. There's not enough storyline participation from the Shadow Triad. I don't think they have been fleshed out enough. They sure are weird, quirky, and maybe a bit creepy, but it's also refreshing to see someone like that. Or, rather, 3. I think what they need right now is more backstory and more storyline participation.

2. I think that theory may have some sort of backing, but I still think that that theory is too unlikely. It's just so out-of-place. And out-of-character...

Glaceon_ June 2nd, 2011 2:45 AM

In the end, all the Shadow Triad are is minions of Ghetsis, as they state that they have worked for him for a while, I believe. (I think it was mentioned the very last time you see them, on that bridge east of Nimbasa City) They certainly are a curious lot, seemingly appearing before you at random, though other than how they came to serve Ghetsis, I don't find myself wanting to know much more about them...

As for the Striaton City Gym Leaders theory, I don't bite. At least not officially. There might end up being something similar in the Pokemon Special Manga when that gets into B/W (if it hasn't already; I can see it using those three as the Shadow Triad or something, considering Lt. Surge and Sabrina were a part of Team Rocket in the RBY chapters) Other than that, it does seem a little out of character, as has been said; none of them seem like the type to follow an evil organisation.

PlatinumDude June 2nd, 2011 2:49 AM

1. The Shadow Triad are okay. It's good to see ninjas every once in a while, and it'd be also nice if they had some sort of backstory.

2. I'm one of those people who's suspicious about the Shadow Triad = Striaton Gym leaders theory. I don't see proof about that.

Zelda June 2nd, 2011 3:06 AM

[:] Do you like the shadow triad? Would've you preferred if they had some sort of storyline themselves? Or do you find them creepy? :(

No no no no no no no no no. :x I tell you they're out for my soul!
But to be honest, I do find them creepy. They have humpbacks and walk like ghosts. n___n

[:] How do you feel about the shadow triad = cilan, cress and chili theory? Do you think it's likely - if so, do you have reasoning to back that up or are you one of those who thinks it's a stupid and unlikely theory?

I think it's a pretty funny theory. Though I give props to whoever thought of the idea; it's a very creative theory. It can be logical to those with imaginative minds too, since the Striation Gym Leaders didn't show up when all of them appeared to stop Ghetsis/N. ;D

Though for me, I'm sort of half and half on the theory. We'd see how far it goes with a third game though!

Vrai June 2nd, 2011 3:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ♪Twiggy♪ (Post 6672682)
And out-of-character...

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Originally Posted by Glaceon_ (Post 6672711)
Other than that, it does seem a little out of character, as has been said; none of them seem like the type to follow an evil organisation.

I have a question. It might just be me, but... when exactly was their character developed at all? You have the few lines in the Gym and that's it. I never really got any "character" out of any of them simply because we weren't given a character for them ever really... Like, you can see that they've at least attempted to define Iris to us by what she was doing with Bianca in Castelia City, and other stuff outside her Gym. The Striaton Gym Leaders have none of that and I guess I just find it really hard to use "they don't seem like they'd do it!" when no character at all has been developed so far. And we all know looks are deceiving~

The 100 Mega Shock June 2nd, 2011 4:50 AM

They're not the three Gym leaders.

Think about it for a minute. There's seven sages, and there were more than enough Gym Leaders without those three to keep them occupied while the player is off going to find N etc. The three most inexperienced trainers showing up as well wouldn't have been needed for the scene.

But what's much more important and probably why they're not here

the Striaton City Gym Leaders do not have anything to do with the games' storyline nor have they ever been seen in confrontation with Team Plasma.

They've never been used in the game so far so it'd be strange for them to suddenly come back when the only time you see them was at the start of the game after Plasma had already come and gone. Conversely, every other Gym Leader pops up somewhere else than their gym, even if they don't battle Team Plasma directly:

Lenora: ***** took my skull Plasma stole something of hers from the museum and she's involved with going after them, not to mention she gives you the Dark/Light stone towards the end of the game.

Burgh: You first meet him while chasing Team Plasma members who stole Bianca's Munna.

Elesa: Pops up like five times to do important stuff and introduce you to new characters, even if she doesn't directly fight Team Plasma.

Clay: Tells you to find the Plasma members hiding in the Cold Storage, then comes to beat up arrest them once you're finished. Also pops up later to clear a roadblock.

Skyla: Does some stuff in the Celestial Tower before you battle her.

Brycen: Tells you to get your ass to Mars Dragonspiral Tower and beats some Plasma grunts up while you're busy getting to the top.

Drayden/Iris: Tell you a bunch of stuff about Reshiram/Zekrom and Iris shows up earlier in the Castelia City scene


The Striaton City guys are the only leaders without any other purpose in the game than to show the player how Gym Battles work at the start of the game. There's not a single hint as to the identity of the Shadow Triad - thinking that the three leaders are actually the Shadow Triad is jumping to a weird conclusion just because they're three people and they didn't re-appear for no reason at the end of the game.

ISA56 2.0 June 2nd, 2011 6:15 AM

1. Do you like the Shadow Triad?
Yes, actually. I've always liked ninja-like characters and things relating to darkness. And teleporting is awesome! <) However, I do wish they had more of a storyline instead of "oh hai we r here becuz wei can b and 'cuz Ghetsis told us 2". Perhaps some reasoning behind their motives?
2. How do you feel about the Shadow Triad=Cilan, Cress, and Chili theory?
I don't believe it to be true. For starters, they are out of character. Not to mention: How the Gym Trio would come across the Dragon Trio's Orbs?

mikey June 2nd, 2011 8:37 AM

1. Do you like the shadow triad? Would've you preferred if they had some sort of storyline themselves? Or do you find them creepy? :(

I loved those guys. They were pretty cool, and ninja like :3

2. How do you feel about the shadow triad = cilan, cress and chili theory? Do you think it's likely - if so, do you have reasoning to back that up or are you one of those who thinks it's a stupid and unlikely theory?

Never heard about this until now, but its highly unlikely that they would be cilan cress or chili.

Cresselia* June 2nd, 2011 9:07 AM

1. I thought they were really cool, I was curious who they were..
2. N'ah don't think so, that would be so stupid ;/

Overlord Drakow June 2nd, 2011 9:29 AM

1) Hell yeah! I need to get myself some of them ninjas. Don't really mind that they are cloaked with mystery literally and as far as their story goes.

2) The possibility exists and it's always good to be open minded.

Richard Nixon June 2nd, 2011 11:09 AM

1. Do you like the shadow triad? Would've you preferred if they had some sort of storyline themselves? Or do you find them creepy? :(

At the end they're good when they give you the orbs.


2. How do you feel about the shadow triad = cilan, cress and chili theory? Do you think it's likely - if so, do you have reasoning to back that up or are you one of those who thinks it's a stupid and unlikely theory?

Nah.

Lambda June 2nd, 2011 1:08 PM

I kinda of like but they scare me when they appear. However it would be great to battle them all in like a triple battle. It would really be fun.

About the theory. It would have been better if the leaders were kinda of mysterious and gave slight hints. But they do even seem evil. However they didnt come to the events at N castle or be affected by team plasma. Maybe in the third game we will learn more. hopefully

Gymnotide June 2nd, 2011 1:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glaceon_ (Post 6672711)
In the end, all the Shadow Triad are is minions of Ghetsis, as they state that they have worked for him for a while, I believe. (I think it was mentioned the very last time you see them, on that bridge east of Nimbasa City) They certainly are a curious lot, seemingly appearing before you at random, though other than how they came to serve Ghetsis, I don't find myself wanting to know much more about them...

As for the Striaton City Gym Leaders theory, I don't bite. At least not officially. There might end up being something similar in the Pokemon Special Manga when that gets into B/W (if it hasn't already; I can see it using those three as the Shadow Triad or something, considering Lt. Surge and Sabrina were a part of Team Rocket in the RBY chapters) Other than that, it does seem a little out of character, as has been said; none of them seem like the type to follow an evil organisation.

You mean this right here?
http://oi56.*.com/2ikt6hz.jpg

2Cool4Mewtwo June 2nd, 2011 2:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever (Post 6672444)
In the games, the shadow triad are basically people who work for Ghetsis throughout the storyline. There's only three of them and there's basically no history behind them.

1. Do you like the shadow triad? Would've you preferred if they had some sort of storyline themselves? Or do you find them creepy? :(

2. How do you feel about the shadow triad = cilan, cress and chili theory? Do you think it's likely - if so, do you have reasoning to back that up or are you one of those who thinks it's a stupid and unlikely theory?

(Truthfully, I made this because I didn't really consider this an easter egg, so hopefully discussion can remain here with um, more interesting theories!)

1. I really don't know what to say about them... they seem kind of creepy (way they talk and dress), harmful (releasing ghetsis), but "nice" at the same time... (guiding the palace of N at the end of the plot of B/W and giving adamant/lustrous/griseious orbs after player defeats ghetsis)

2. :laugh:

Nakuzami June 2nd, 2011 2:56 PM

1. Do you like the shadow triad? Would've you preferred if they had some sort of storyline themselves? Or do you find them creepy?

Yus, they are very awesomesauce :3 It would be even more awesomesauce if they did have more of a story.

2. How do you feel about the shadow triad = cilan, cress and chili theory? Do you think it's likely - if so, do you have reasoning to back that up or are you one of those who thinks it's a stupid and unlikely theory?

No. Just no. I think this theory is absolutely ridiculous. It's incredibly stupid, they have nothing in common except for the fact that there is three of them. And if it turned out to be true, I would immediately despise Gamefreak for making it so.

Vrai June 2nd, 2011 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The 100 Mega Shock (Post 6672866)
The Striaton City guys are the only leaders without any other purpose in the game than to show the player how Gym Battles work at the start of the game. There's not a single hint as to the identity of the Shadow Triad - thinking that the three leaders are actually the Shadow Triad is jumping to a weird conclusion just because they're three people and they didn't re-appear for no reason at the end of the game.

Conversely, that could be used as reasoning for -why- they would be. To be quite honest I could see that theory going either way. It's entirely possible but at the same time my natural inclination would be to disbelieve it.

Golden Warrior June 2nd, 2011 3:37 PM

1. Yes, I like the Triad. First off, they're very ninja-ish. Not to mention, they're wearing black. Just awesome. Also, their own story would be cool. Especially if you could battle them.

2. No, I don't believe they could possibly be the first gym leaders. Although when I think about it they were the only ones not to appear to help you fight the sages. :paranoid:

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ June 3rd, 2011 5:37 AM

1. The Shadow Triad were cool, as all ninjas are. Still it would be nice to see more backstory to them, like their reasons for following Ghetsis besides some vague "He saved our lives long ago"... I'd like to know the circumstances behind that, for instance.

2. I can't say for sure, but I'm erring on the side of no. Neither the Shadow Triad or the Striation Gym trio were developed enough for me to even try to say if they were one and the same.

Åzurε June 3rd, 2011 6:04 AM

I really liked their whole schtick, and Ghetsis aside they were probably the most menacing characters in the game, even while they were just shuffling you from one room to another. They needed more love, heck, all of Team Plasma's important members needed more than what they got. Concordia and what's-her-face? Hopefully they'll get into that when the next game releases.

Eh, don't really buy the Triaton leaders theory. Possible, but undetermined.

Spherical Ice June 3rd, 2011 6:30 AM

Just to be crazy, I think the Shadow Triad are the Nuvema Town trio (i.e Black/White, Bianca and Cheren) from the future. I mean it'd explain the random appearances etc. Or they could be involved in a later game, perhaps?

The Undisputed Era June 3rd, 2011 7:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 6672719)
1. The Shadow Triad are okay. It's good to see ninjas every once in a while, and it'd be also nice if they had some sort of backstory.

2. I'm one of those people who's suspicious about the Shadow Triad = Striaton Gym leaders theory. I don't see proof about that.


At the end of the game, talk to them, one of them says they couldn't get to the bit where all the gym leaders appear. SO it makes it suspicious

Kevin June 3rd, 2011 12:28 PM

I never thought of the triad to be the gym leaders of Striaton City. I wish you fought them, though. Oh and Spherical Ice's theory sounds good, but why would they side with Ghestis?


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