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LuLaby April 3rd, 2012 8:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 7113031)
Glaceon:
-Blizzard
-Hidden Power (Ground/Grass)
-Baton Pass
-Ice Beam/Shadow Ball
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Specs

Only one thing with Baton Pass Glaceon can scout switch-ins with it
But you just do that with simply changing Glaceon immediately after it get's in...
You could change that with Wish or Shadow Ball, no need for Ice beam when it has Blizzard if hail team, otherwise I prefer Ice Beam over Blizzard...

You should keep Baton Pass in Glaceon if you have team that increase stats and then batton pass them to a sweeper..
The trick is thet you could Batton Pass on Glaceon to get some info and immediately batton pass to your sweeper or just keep Glaceon in for him to sweep....Otherwise no need for Baton Pass in Glaceon

Scuki April 3rd, 2012 8:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LuLaby (Post 7113055)
Only one thing with Baton Pass Glaceon can scout switch-ins with it
But you just do that with simply changing Glaceon immediately after it get's in...
You could change that with Wish or Ice Beam/Shadow Ball

You should keep Baton Pass in Glaceon if you have team that increase stats and then batton pass them to a sweeper..
The trick is thet you could Batton Pass on Glaceon to get some info and immediately batton pass to your sweeper or just keep Glaceon in for him to sweep....Otherwise no need for Baton Pass in Glaceon

AH the problem is i got Glaceon traded without Baton jump so that's out of option...

but Glaceon has a rather low speed... when i would use baton pass, wouldn't it get hit first?

LuLaby April 3rd, 2012 8:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Scuki (Post 7113059)
AH the problem is i got Glaceon traded without Baton jump so that's out of option...

but Glaceon has a rather low speed... when i would use baton pass, wouldn't it get hit first?

Glaceon with Timid Nature And Choice Specs(+50%Speed),252EVs on Speed
Can outspeed all pokemon with base speed 120....Also if you plan on Batton Pass Build, Glaceon will have a good amount of speed after a Ninjask Batton pass it some(Ninjask is just an example cause Ninjask is an OU pokemon and Glaceon an UU)

But you have Soul Silver so this is the only Glaceon you have for now so if it Hasn't timid nature...You can make him sth like Revenge Killer
-Ice Beam/Blizzard
-Hidden Power(Ground/Grass)
-Shadow Ball
-Wish

Scuki April 3rd, 2012 8:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuLaby (Post 7113080)
Glaceon with Timid Nature And Choice Specs(+50%Speed),252EVs on Speed
Can outspeed all pokemon with base speed 120....Also if you plan on Batton Pass Build, Glaceon will have a good amount of speed after a Ninjask Batton pass it some(Ninjask is just an example cause Ninjask is an OU pokemon and Glaceon an UU)

But you have Soul Silver so this is the only Glaceon you have for now so if it Hasn't timid nature...You can make him sth like Revenge Killer
-Ice Beam/Blizzard
-Hidden Power(Ground/Grass)
-Shadow Ball
-Wish

ahah it's so hard to get the right moves if you get a pokemon only traded and you can't reproduce them XP cus I can't breed a new one with wish so this one will fall out too XD

LuLaby April 3rd, 2012 8:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Scuki (Post 7113085)
ahah it's so hard to get the right moves if you get a pokemon only traded and you can't reproduce them XP cus I can't breed a new one with wish so this one will fall out too XD

There are many topics in Trade corner someone will breed you one for something you can breed or a version specific :)

Scuki April 3rd, 2012 8:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LuLaby (Post 7113099)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuki (Post 7113085)
ahah it's so hard to get the right moves if you get a pokemon only traded and you can't reproduce them XP cus I can't breed a new one with wish so this one will fall out too XD

There are many topics in Trade corner someone will breed you one for something you can breed or a version specific :)


Ahah yeah lol. I just wonder what i could give them then. Nowadays shiny and legendaries are so in question. Shiny are so hard to get. I just caught an onix in the wild by luck lol.[/SIZE]

OreoMaster April 4th, 2012 8:52 AM

What Pokemon takes physical damage as badly as Blissey does?
 
I mean, Blissey has outrageous HP yet wimpy Def. It can't take much physical damage. What are some Pokemon that take physical damage the same way Blissey does? Like, a Pokemon with obviously higher Def and less HP but in a way that it balanced and matches to the stats of Blissey. For example, Blissey falls after 3 Mega Punches. Which other Pokemon falls after 3 Mega Punches,from the same Pokemon, as well. It is actually because I like Blissey and I want to use it but I have another Pokemon in consideration and I want to see if Blissey take physical hits better or worse than it.

A Sadistic Bastard April 4th, 2012 1:33 PM

Your question confuses me. I skimmed and I'm just going to recommend using Eviolite Chansey or give Blissey some sort of recovery.

Dark Azelf April 4th, 2012 6:10 PM

Uhhhh.

Anyway, use defense evs. With max defense, Blissey takes physical hits as good as max hp Spiritomb or Scizor.

No other pokemon can do Blisseys (or Eviolite Chansey if you want more overall bulk at the cost of Leftovers recovery) job as well as it on the special walling side.

OreoMaster April 5th, 2012 2:30 AM

Woah! What's so difficult to understand buddy?! I ask for a Pokemon as physically frail as Blissey. Blissey is very frail and wimpy physically but her enormous HP kinda makes up for her Def. So is there a Pokemon just as frail as her?

@ Dark Azelf : Do you really think Blissey takes blows as well as Scizor or Spiritomb do? Because the latter two are kinda good defensively..

I found that out guys! Blissey is as frail as Mr.Mime,Aipom and Raichu! Exactly the same. Check it on a damage calculator to see for your own!

A Sadistic Bastard April 5th, 2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OreoMaster (Post 7115569)
Woah! What's so difficult to understand buddy?!

I skim. I never read the entire post.

Domino™ April 5th, 2012 12:44 PM

Whilst it's no where near as good as Blissey, Weezing is a good physical tank. With a base 120 defense and a good defensive typing and an ability which takes away one of its weaknesses it can be quite good. Will-O-Wisp just makes it better because then it can cripple physical attackers, making it's defense seem even higher. Although I'm singing its praises I'm in no way saying that Weezing is a good Blissey replacement, because it isn't, it's just a nice alternative if Blissey's defense is too bad for you.

wolf April 5th, 2012 2:13 PM

Elf is correct that standard Blissey (252 HP/Def EVs with Bold nature) takes physical attacks slightly better than standard Scizor (248 HP EVs with non-boosting nature).

Scizor: 394 Atk vs 236 Def & 343 HP (100 Base Power): 180 - 213 (52.48% - 62.10%)
Blissey: 394 Atk vs 130 Def & 714 HP (100 Base Power): 325 - 384 (45.52% - 53.78%)
(both from a Mamoswine's Earthquake as an example)

Snorlax, Wobbuffet, Lanturn, Hariyama, Wailord, and Drifblim are pretty similar to Blissey's high HP and low Def. Anything like Alakazam, Infernape, Gengar, etc. are much frailer than Blissey.

JustinWolfXIII April 14th, 2012 2:36 AM

Gen 5 Trick Room team
 
I want to build a Gen 5 team centered around double battling under a trick room and spikes I am having trouble with this despite having two pokemon already set in stone. The two are as follows:

Reuniclus
Life Orb
Magic Guard
Quiet
Moves:
Trick Room
Psychic
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball.
IVs: 31 SpA, 31 Def, 31 SpDef
EVs: 252 SpA, 126 Def, 126 SpDef

Scrafty
Leftovers
Moxie
Adamant
Moves:
Bulk Up
Drain Punch
Crunch
Ice Punch
IVs: 31 Atk, 31 Def, 31 SpDef
EVs: 252 Atk, 126 Def 126 SpDef

I think these are good starts but I am open to suggestions, note I am veteran breeder so while I will listen to suggestions I might go a different way with them due to my experiences. Also for those who dont feel like it I will gladly do breeding for any pokemon you wish

PlatinumDude April 14th, 2012 5:18 AM

For Reuniclus, change its EV spread to 192 HP/64 Def/252 SAtk. Reuniclus is already naturally bulky with 110 HP.

Make Scrafty Careful or Sassy with the EV spread, 252 HP/8 Atk/248 SDef, and give it Rest over Ice Punch, since Dark + Fighting have good enough coverage already.

Other Pokemon you can consider for the team include Conkeldurr, Ferrothorn, and Gliscor. Conkeldurr does somewhat better in TR than Scrafty because of its higher Attack and lower Speed. And do note that not all Pokemon in a TR team have to be super-slow (since Gliscor is fairly fast):

Conkeldurr:
-Bulk Up
-Drain Punch
-Mach Punch
-Stone Edge
Nature: Brave
EVs: 120 HP/252 Atk/136 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Guts

Ferrothorn
-Spikes/Stealth Rock
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip/Protect
-Gyro Ball/Protect
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
Item: Leftovers

Gliscor:
-Substitute
-Protect
-Earthquake
-Toxic/Ice Fang/Protect
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Toxic
-Protect
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang/Facade/Taunt
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Swords Dance
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang/Facade
-Protect
Nature: Impish/Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe or 252 HP/184 Def/72 SDef
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

You also need a backup Trick Room user in case Reuniclus goes down, like Porygon2:
-Trick Room
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Recover
Nature: Quiet
EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Item: Eviolite
Ability: Trace

antemortem April 14th, 2012 5:18 PM

I also suggest adding Psyshock over Psychic on Reuniclus, because you'll have more of a chance in encountering a Chansey during your TR period, and you want to kill it as fast as possible, though you could just fodder into Scrafty just as easily.

Anyway, I also suggest something that can hit hard physically right off the bat, such as Darmanitan with 0 Speed IVs and Brave @ Choice Band. Flare Blitz / Superpower / Stone Edge / U-Turn should wreck things rather easily. You can also consider CB Scizor as a nice add on to your physical side.

SnowpointQuincy April 15th, 2012 11:04 AM

I have a Liligant and want ideas for a battle tower team.

Liligant @Miracle Seed
Own Tempo
-Pedal Dance
-Giga Drain
-Quiver Dance
-Sleep Powder

(this thing is a beast!)

I need 2 teammates for it.

I have a Heatran which seems like a good choice.
The biggest problem is Water/Ice pokemon that can threaten both of these guys. And Tentecruel can do the same with Water/Poison stabs. I don't have to use Heatran, but I do have one ready.

(also trained a drapion and mamoswine recently)

antemortem April 15th, 2012 5:36 PM

On the Lilligant:

Replace Giga Drain with Hidden Power Ice in case you confront Gliscor. Use Heatran, but partner it with another water-type if you have one. Considering it's in-game play, a Lapras or Jellicent would do very nicely, since Jellicent also gets Water Absorb and with Heatran and Lilligant more being offensive Pokemon, Jellicent can act as your utility.

Dark Azelf April 15th, 2012 5:47 PM

Snorlax might be a good team mate, takes ice and fire attacks like nothing thanks to thick fat and will solve that water/ice problem you said you have.

champagnepapi April 15th, 2012 6:16 PM

You also might want to throw a Dugtrio on your team so that Heatran can't interrupt Lilligant's sweep.

hchaos2 April 24th, 2012 9:23 AM

How does the Prankster ability work? I thought it was suppose to give priority to status moves, but yet my Whimsicott constantly goes last. Example, I tried to use Trick Room and a Landorus used Earth Power first. So...I'm really not understanding how this works anymore. And at the same time, the guy's Tyranitar pulled off a Crunch before I could use Trick Room. Unless your opponent uses a priority move, doesn't the move with the higher priority go first?

Perriechu April 24th, 2012 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by hchaos2 (Post 7147230)
How does the Prankster ability work? I thought it was suppose to give priority to status moves, but yet my Whimsicott constantly goes last. Example, I tried to use Trick Room and a Landorus used Earth Power first. So...I'm really not understanding how this works anymore. And at the same time, the guy's Tyranitar pulled off a Crunch before I could use Trick Room. Unless your opponent uses a priority move, doesn't the move with the higher priority go first?

I'm pretty sure Trick Room isn't affected by Prankster, and thus will not go first when a Pokemon with the ability uses it. Because, Trick Room has a move priority of -7. But when a prankster using TR uses it, the move becomes -6.

SoulRed12 April 25th, 2012 5:49 PM

Is it a big deal if you don't have any choice users on your competitive team? (specifically, in gen IV, if that matters) I read that you should be really careful about having two choicers, but do you generally need one? Or can you generally do just fine without one?

PlatinumDude April 25th, 2012 6:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulRed12 (Post 7149175)
Is it a big deal if you don't have any choice users on your competitive team? (specifically, in gen IV, if that matters) I read that you should be really careful about having two choicers, but do you generally need one? Or can you generally do just fine without one?

You don't really need Choice users, but they're good to consider if you want the Pokemon you're using to hit hard or fast right off the bat without having to use a set-up move.

Dark Azelf April 25th, 2012 6:22 PM

Because Trick Room has a negative priority, so it means it will always go last regardless of the ability.

KLuning April 28th, 2012 4:11 PM

How do I train my team to level 100 in gen V. Message me please!

Perriechu April 28th, 2012 4:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLuning (Post 7153221)
How do I train my team to level 100 in gen V. Message me please!

Grind. That's all I can really say lol? Or invest in an AR and use the x4535465546 exp code or something. There's really thing else you can do. ): (Just battle the E4, Cynthia and Audino's in the highest place for a lot of exp).

KLuning April 29th, 2012 12:55 PM

I really don't understand how the legendary dogs and legendary birds are allowed in random match up. I have no legendaries and it's sad to see ppl rely on them bc they can't train pkmn for themselves. But can someone explain hy they are allowed jut other legendaries arnt? The rules and restrictions seems to be all over the place. How ca I lose to explosion in wifi match up when it's our lat 2 pokemo as well? Seems really bs

Perriechu April 29th, 2012 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KLuning (Post 7154491)
I really don't understand how the legendary dogs and legendary birds are allowed in random match up. I have no legendaries and it's sad to see ppl rely on them bc they can't train pkmn for themselves. But can someone explain hy they are allowed jut other legendaries arnt? The rules and restrictions seems to be all over the place. How ca I lose to explosion in wifi match up when it's our lat 2 pokemo as well? Seems really bs

Just because a Pokemon is legendary doesn't mean it's good. Articuno is legendary but because of its typing, movepool and stats, it just isn't that good. Well mainly its lovely 4x Rock (and Stealth Rock) weaknesses are the biggest causes here of why it's not that good. But then you have a Pokemon like Arceus who has 120 across the board in terms of base stats and a huge movepool, that can wreck a lot of teams; that is considered powerful and thus banished to the Uber tier. It's basically all up to type, stats, movepools etc. And the Explosion 'problem' is because if there's only 1 Pokemon left for you and your opponent, whoever uses Explosion is the one who loses iirc. And tbh; the rules aren't all over the place, you just need to educate yourself on the matter.

SoulRed12 April 29th, 2012 3:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLuning (Post 7154491)
I really don't understand how the legendary dogs and legendary birds are allowed in random match up. I have no legendaries and it's sad to see ppl rely on them bc they can't train pkmn for themselves. But can someone explain hy they are allowed jut other legendaries arnt? The rules and restrictions seems to be all over the place. How ca I lose to explosion in wifi match up when it's our lat 2 pokemo as well? Seems really bs

You should look up the tier system on Smogon. As far as I know, most people go by that system when battling.

FYI, in BW, Raikou and Suicune are both considered UU pokemon (UnderUsed, i.e. less strong than OU or OverUsed pokemon) and Entei is RU (RarelyUsed, or not even good enough to play in UU). As for the birds, Zapdos is OU thanks to his bulk and nifty E/Q immunity, among other things, while as dragonomega says Moltres and Articuno are hardly ever if ever used and are in RU and NU (NeverUsed, lower than RU) respectively.

bhim April 29th, 2012 9:00 PM

Is There a Purpose to HP EVs?
 
Pardon me if this is an ignorant question to ask, but what exactly is the purpose of EV training a pokemon in HP? Presumably, there is some value in doing so, as I've seen countless sets that demand some EVs be put into HP, but I just don't understand the motivations behind this; the way I understand the mechanics of pokemon (and this is almost certainly wrong), an attack will do a percentage of damage to the opponent based on various factors (which, for the purposes of this explanation, are irrelevant). However, whether my pokemon has 300 HP or 330 HP, an attack that does 10% damage to my pokemon will always and only do 10%, not necessarily a specific amount of damage. If a tackle to a houndoom always did 30 damage, then I could certainly understand the bonuses of having 300 vs. 330 HP, but if it's a percentage based thing - and it seems like it is, based on those irrelevant details I previously alluded to, which seem to me to be a formula involving the attacking pokemon's attack/special attack stat, base damage of the move, and the receiving pokemon's defense/special defense stat - then why would it matter how much HP the houndoom had?

I hope I articulated this well enough to warrant a response, if not, please let me know and I'll try to word it better; I just kind of threw my [jumbled] thought process into this post and let it ride.

SoulRed12 April 29th, 2012 10:39 PM

It's not percentage based. If tackle does 30 HP damage to Houndoom, it will do 30 HP damage whether he has 300 or 330 HP. If Houndoom has 60 HP, it will do 50%, and if he is EV trained to 120 HP (for the sake of argument, without changing defense), it will do 25%. It's why so many people love Blissey; despite her pathetic physical defense stat, her HP is so ridiculously high that many physical attacks don't do much to her anyway (or at least, less than 50%, which means she can stall with softboiled). And of course, with her sky high special defense stat, she can absorb even super effective special attacks all day whereas some other special walls couldn't really do that.

Play around with a damage calculator to see for yourself. It only requires your pokemon's attack stat, your opponent's defense stat, and the move you're using (to determine base power and type advantages/disadvantages), and then spits out a number which is the damage the move will deal. (btw, for the calculator I linked to above, the "min" and "max" numbers refer to the range of damage, because the damage each attack does has a relatively small randomness factor to it)

A Sadistic Bastard April 29th, 2012 10:43 PM

If you want proof that HP investment is beneficial, then take a look at Blissey.

tj4bigred April 30th, 2012 4:10 AM

Some Pokémon need the HP to make 101 HP substitutes, so they can survive Seismic Toss and Night Shade. And some Pokémon can pass huge Wishes to their teammates. Sometimes, Pokémon need a specific HP investment to be able to switch into Stealth Rocks the maximum number of times.

SoulRed12 April 30th, 2012 1:44 PM

Alright, so here's a question. I made a couple relatively successful gen IV teams, which I've been doing because I haven't learned much about BW yet. But, I want to try. What is the best way to get acclimated to all the changes and threats? I feel like if I tried to make a team, it would simply fail because I don't know what's out there and I wouldn't know what opponents' pokemon would run. (e.g., I bring in Celebi to check Breloom and it uses "Mega Bug Punch" on me or something...)

Is there a guide (or small set of guides) that I could just read through and get acclimated to a good number of the new BW threats and the kinds of moves they will use?

Ho-Oh April 30th, 2012 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulRed12 (Post 7156145)
Alright, so here's a question. I made a couple relatively successful gen IV teams, which I've been doing because I haven't learned much about BW yet. But, I want to try. What is the best way to get acclimated to all the changes and threats? I feel like if I tried to make a team, it would simply fail because I don't know what's out there and I wouldn't know what opponents' pokemon would run. (e.g., I bring in Celebi to check Breloom and it uses "Mega Bug Punch" on me or something...)

Is there a guide (or small set of guides) that I could just read through and get acclimated to a good number of the new BW threats and the kinds of moves they will use?

Breloom won't use mega bug punch, do not fear! ...for that does not exist, luckily.

Anyway as for guides this forum itself doesn't really have anything covering threats, but other than reading through here, there's no other place that'll really cover it. :( But tbh, I find practice the best thing really. Just try a team, ladder and see if it works then go from there, it's really the best way of learning and understanding what the metagame has.

the_shadow_maker May 3rd, 2012 6:52 PM

Need some info on Weavile :)
 
I had an open slot in my team, and I was thinking a good filler would be Weavile.

Do you guys think you could ramble off some decent stats and attacks I should go after?

PlatinumDude May 4th, 2012 4:28 AM

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Originally Posted by the_shadow_maker (Post 7160674)
I had an open slot in my team, and I was thinking a good filler would be Weavile.

Do you guys think you could ramble off some decent stats and attacks I should go after?

Weavile's best stats are its Attack and Speed. However, its poor defensive typing leaves it prone to Scizor's Bullet Punch and Conkeldurr's Mach Punch. Still, it's a decent Pokemon in its own right:
-Ice Shard
-Pursuit
-Ice Punch/Night Slash/Punishment
-Low Kick
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 40 HP/252 Atk/216 Spe or 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Choice Band

This is Weavile's standard OU set. While it does have a couple of weak moves, they serve important purposes. Pursuit lets you hit Pokemon as they switch out, especially Ghosts and Psychics, while Ice Shard lets you finish off weakened Pokemon, or to get a hit in before you die against a faster opponent.

or
-Swords Dance
-Night Slash
-Ice Punch/Ice Shard
-Low Kick
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 40 HP/252 Atk/216 Spe or 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

While Weavile's defenses are poor, it can use Swords Dance somewhat well, assuming that priority users are out of the way.

AshKetchumFromPalletTown May 9th, 2012 3:19 AM

OU Team help?
 
Hey guys,
Can someone help me make a team around Heracross and Suicune for the OU tier, they are two of my favorite Wi-Fi Pokemon but it's hard to build a solid team around them considering im kinda new to all this, so any help would be amazing :)

WingedDragon May 9th, 2012 12:22 PM

Pkmn White Team Vs online players
 
I cant seem to beat anyone online with my team no matter who I use. Can someone tell if there is something wrong with my team. This is a combo of Plat, heartgold, and White

Emboar/Adamant : Flame Charge, heat crash, Hammer arm, Earthquake.
Infernape/ Impish: Flamethrower, Bulk up, close combat Earthquake
Tyrantar/Quiet: Dark Pulse, Thunder Fang, Earthquake, Giga impact
Haxorus/Hardy: Dragon Claw, Outrage, Dragon Dance, (change from Swords dance) False swipe
Raichu/Rash: Thunderbolt, Thunder, Body Slam, Thunder wave (changed from Return)
Umbreon/quiet: Confuse ray (bite) Dark pulse, Moonlight, Psychic
Espeon/Lax: Swift, Future Sight, Shadown ball, Psychic
Blastoise/Lax: Ice Beam, Hydro Cannon, Earthquake, Protect (skull bash)
Garchomp/impish: Dragon claw, Swords dance, Dragon rush, Earthquake
Jolteon/sassy: Thunderbolt, Double kick, Thunder, Toxic


Obviously these levels get dropped down to 50 online, but why I cant see I cant beat these people online. I know speed is an issue with this team. As far as EV/IV I am not sure what they are that concept is new to me and still learning. What other issues can people see based on this?

PlatinumDude May 9th, 2012 5:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AshKetchumFromPalletTown (Post 7167973)
Hey guys,
Can someone help me make a team around Heracross and Suicune for the OU tier, they are two of my favorite Wi-Fi Pokemon but it's hard to build a solid team around them considering im kinda new to all this, so any help would be amazing :)

It might be a better idea to provide full sets for Suicune and Heracross so that we can give you more options on which Pokemon to work with.
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdrianD (Post 7168479)
I cant seem to beat anyone online with my team no matter who I use. Can someone tell if there is something wrong with my team. This is a combo of Plat, heartgold, and White

Garchomp lv 95
Feraligator lv 100
Espeon 53
Raichu 91
Tyranitar 76
Jolteon 90
Blastoise 96
Haxorus 83
Infernape 93

Obviously these levels get dropped down to 50 online, but why I cant see I cant beat these people online. I know speed is an issue with this team. What other issues can people see based on this?

Would you mind giving full sets and EVs for those Pokemon? It might be easier to identify any weaknesses this way.

DarkPhillip May 10th, 2012 10:04 AM

EV Training, Evolution and Leveling
 
Alright, so this is a question I ran into when I first began EV training Pokemon. My usual method was:
1) Breed for Nature
2) Hatch (duh)
3) EV train the stats as I needed, giving no thoughts to leveling/evolving
4) Once I had maxed out the EV's, I need to level up my Pokemon quickly to get them up to lvl 50. I basically ran through the E4 with a couple lvl 100 event Pokemon using an Exp. Share on the Pokemon I needed to level up.

Now, since Pokemon level up faster when they are unevolved, and I needed speed, I stopped them from evolving as soon as they could (getting ready for a tournament and got crunched for time), so they'd grow levels fast, but then unevolved Pokemon also gain stats slower. So the dilemma was level quickly, then evolve, or evolve and level slower.

I guess my question is if, after delaying evolution, the stat boosts that come with the evolution balance out with what I would have had, if I had evolved as soon as I could. Hopefully that makes sense.

KLuning May 10th, 2012 10:08 AM

It doesn't matter. Your pokemons stats will be what it's suppose to be at its final evolution. The difference is moves learned. Just make sure you evolve them before level 100 :)

DarkPhillip May 10th, 2012 11:52 AM

Well, I was thinking this in regards to Pokemon under lvl 100. For example, this tournament is using Pokemon at lvl 50, so obviously, all the EV boosts won't have come into play yet.

snogaws May 11th, 2012 4:28 PM

Is it possible to re-EV a pokemon at level 100?
 
I'm wondering if there is any way to re-EV a pokemon at level 100, and still have it be able to be used in competitive wifi battles.

If it is possible, can someone help me with that? thanks.

tj4bigred May 11th, 2012 5:12 PM

A new mechanic in the fifth generation causes EVs to be calculated at the end of the battle, rather than upon level up. So it it possible to EV train a level 100 Pokémon.

However, if you mean it already has EVs, the only way to remove them is through the use of 6 berries, which at the moment are still unreleased in the Dream World.

snogaws May 11th, 2012 5:20 PM

The pokemon is in 4th generation, and was leveled up using rare candies. So I don't think it has any EV's. So am I just gonna have to get a new one and start over?

tj4bigred May 11th, 2012 5:39 PM

If it's level 100, I believe it is impossible to add anymore. I think I heard about some trick using your PC to add four at a time, but I'm not too familiar with it.

You'd have to start over.

WingedDragon May 14th, 2012 12:22 PM

OU?
 
What does that stand for? I think its offensive Unit but not sure

Ho-Oh May 14th, 2012 4:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdrianD (Post 7175378)
What does that stand for? I think its offensive Unit but not sure

Nope, it means OverUsed. That's a tier which involves the Pokemon that are usually much stronger than the ones in NU etc, but not overpowered (since those are in ubers). Those in OU can be found here.

Musica May 14th, 2012 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snogaws (Post 7171274)
The pokemon is in 4th generation, and was leveled up using rare candies. So I don't think it has any EV's. So am I just gonna have to get a new one and start over?

If you transferred this 4th Gen Pokemon to 5th Gen, you can EV Train it still by using Medicine and Feathers then deposit it and withdraw. I'm not however sure if you can EV Train by killing a Pokemon.

PlatinumDude May 14th, 2012 7:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musica (Post 7175751)
If you transferred this 4th Gen Pokemon to 5th Gen, you can EV Train it still by using Medicine and Feathers then deposit it and withdraw. I'm not however sure if you can EV Train by killing a Pokemon.

I'm pretty sure that you can EV train a level 100 Pokemon by battling with wild Pokemon. They still give out EVs, don't they?

Ursaring89 May 15th, 2012 7:14 PM

Hey guys, I was wondering if you could help me with the last addition to my mostly mono-ice hail and trick room team for NU. My lead is Snover, Beheeyem for trick room and fighting type counter, Beartic for life orb attacker, Walrein for my wall (thick fat turns it into a reliable special wall as well), Armaldo for rapid spin and stealth rock support, and the last slot is what I'm stuck on. I don't know whether to use Lapras for curse, thunderbolt, blizzard, and Zenheadbutt, a Choice Banded Delibird to take advantage of Ariel ace and the hustle ability, or a Glaceon with choice specs and hidden power electric to cover water types. Remember, this is a combination of Hailstorm and Trick Room, so all of these Pokemon will be as slow as possible. As of now I'm leaning towards Delibird because with its STAB, +50% damage boost, a x2 attack bringing it to over 450, Ariel ace's base power climes to over 100, and Ariel ace never missing, it sounds like it might be fun to use and catch a lot of people off guard.

SoulRed12 May 16th, 2012 1:55 AM

If I switch in espeon while a whimsicott uses encore, thanks to magic bounce does he end up encoring himself into using encore? Cuz that would be awesome =p

PlatinumDude May 16th, 2012 2:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulRed12 (Post 7177607)
If I switch in espeon while a whimsicott uses encore, thanks to magic bounce does he end up encoring himself into using encore? Cuz that would be awesome =p

Yes. Magic Bounce reflects most, if not all, status moves back at the opponent. In Encore's case, if it reflects back at the user, it fails.

SoulRed12 May 16th, 2012 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 7177632)
Yes. Magic Bounce reflects most, if not all, status moves back at the opponent. In Encore's case, if it reflects back at the user, it fails.

Aww, alright. What sucks about that is Espeon could be in for some hurt if he uses u-turn. If he got encored into using encore, Espeon could set up screens and get out before he could do so.

OreoMaster May 16th, 2012 1:51 PM

Please help. 10 questions! Is Blissey generally a useable Pokemon?
 
1. Is Blissey a good Pokemon to use in OU?

2. Is she a good user of Counter?

3. Isn't Defense Curl,Softboiled,Seismic Toss and Refresh a good idea on her? I mean she can fix her low Def issue and Refresh is to heal status without needing to switch.

Those following aren't questions concerning competitive battling but well, let me ask them since I have already opened up the topic :) Thank you good mods.

4. Is she difficult to find in Safari Zone and capture?

5. Did you know that she can take physical hits just like Aipom and Mr.Mime, a bit worse(almost exactly the same though) than Raichu,Roserade and even better than Alakazam?

6. Wouldn't Blissey be a great Pokemon id they gave her at least 30 base Def?

7. Why does she have such low Def ? I am not talking about the game as everything is about balance. A pink monster with vast HP and both defenses looking up the sky would be overpowered. I am talking about real life. Say she existed. What would make her have such little Def yet so much HP?

8. Wouldn't you yet prefer Blissey with these stats:
255 HP
10 Att
30 Def
10 Sp.Att
10 Sp
I would really prefer that. Blissey would be much more sturdy physically and besides her speed and sp.att are already useless.

9. Is Blissey good in-game apart from healing Pokemon outside of battle?
Does Alomomola do the same thing outside of battle(healing teammates)?

10. Why does Blissey's TGC card claim only 120-130 HP while Wailord's 200? Blissey has the highest HP. Also, Drifblim and Wigglytuff's cards claim a bigger HP than Alomomola's while Alomomola has more HP than them. I mean, in the games Blissey has the most HP yet in the card games she has way less than wailord,alomomola,wigglytuff etc

Dark Azelf May 16th, 2012 2:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OreoMaster (Post 7178313)
1. Is Blissey a good Pokemon to use in OU?

Yes, she is the best special wall in the game.

2. Is she a good user of Counter?

Kind of, but Eviolite Chansey does that better.

3. Isn't Defense Curl,Softboiled,Seismic Toss and Refresh a good idea on her? I mean she can fix her low Def issue and Refresh is to heal status without needing to switch.

Defense Curl sucks and doesnt help with what switches into Blissey see: Pokemon with Fighting moves which she should just switch out of anyway, she shouldnt try and take on physical threats she is a team supporter and special wall. Refresh doesnt help either thanks to Natural Cure, plus Aromatherapy/Heal Bell outclass it as the heal the whole team. Regardless Blissey DOES need max def evs to stop weak phys attacks from mashing her, plus her HP and titanic special defense let her wall special attackers with hardly any investment well enough regardless.

The best sets for Blissey are the following;

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148 HP / 252 Def / 108 Sp.Def
Calm Nature
Trait: Natural Cure
~ Wish
~ Protect / Softboiled
~ Seismic Toss / Flamethrower
~ Toxic

Pass massive Wishes to the rest of your team. Activate Wish for yourself and stall for Toxic damage with Protect. Attacking move is up to you. If you use Flamethrower, put about 80 sp.att evs taken from HP to KO Scizor on the switch, Flamethrower also nails the steels immune to Toxic. Btw her sp.att isnt useless, its actually quite usable.

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148 HP / 252 Def / 108 Sp.Def
Calm Nature
Trait: Natural Cure
~ Aromatherapy / Stealth Rock
~ Softboiled
~ Seismic Toss / Flamethrower / Ice Beam
~ Toxic / Thunderwave

Same thing here except this is a more support oriented set. Aroma heals the whole team of Status whilst Stealth Rock is Stealth Rock and arguable the best move in the game and causes residual damage. Thunderwave slows things down whilst Ice Beam is an option for Gliscor and dragons.



Those following aren't questions concerning competitive battling but well, let me ask them since I have already opened up the topic :) Thank you good mods.

4. Is she difficult to find in Safari Zone and capture?

Yes lol.

5. Did you know that she can take physical hits just like Aipom and Mr.Mime, a bit worse(almost exactly the same though) than Raichu,Roserade and even better than Alakazam?

Wrong, with max defense Evs she can take hits as a Max HP Spritiomb and Scizor.

Comments in bold. Yeahhhhh hope that helps.

OreoMaster May 17th, 2012 1:19 AM

Good answer buddy! I didn't know she could take hits like Spiritomb! I would never imagine that actually as Spiritomb is considerably durable. Anyway, seems that she has potential.
But still, without any EVs she can take a physical brawl just like Aipom and Mr.Mime and better than Alakazam.

As for the moveset I suggested, it was actually for my 'fun' team. You know, in these teams you choose Pokemon you like and make some crazy movesets. Just to have fun,not to win. Your movesets,although common, are indeed the best for Blissey.

Won't you answer the rest of my questions stranger?!

SoulRed12 May 17th, 2012 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OreoMaster (Post 7178313)
6. Wouldn't Blissey be a great Pokemon id they gave her at least 30 base Def?

She'd be even better with base 50 def...or 70...or 160...or...

Quote:

7. Why does she have such low Def ? I am not talking about the game as everything is about balance. A pink monster with vast HP and both defenses looking up the sky would be overpowered. I am talking about real life. Say she existed. What would make her have such little Def yet so much HP?
Her high HP makes sense as she's basically a nurse/healer pokemon. But she's a pink blob. I hardly see her as being able to take a physical hit. How well do you think your feather pillow would take a Salamence outrage? Or in a more realistic sense, how well do you think your friendly local nurse could withstand a swift punch to the face from Jackie Chan?

Quote:

8. Wouldn't you yet prefer Blissey with these stats:
255 HP
10 Att
30 Def
10 Sp.Att
10 Sp
I would really prefer that. Blissey would be much more sturdy physically and besides her speed and sp.att are already useless.
Her special attack isn't actually useless when you consider that it's a healing and support poke primarily. If you give her ice beam, she could actually take out gliscor, who otherwise taunts and walls her thanks to protect and poison heal. Without ice beam he can even stall her out with toxic. As for speed, being able to outspeed at least SOME pokes means the difference between being able to switch in and then heal, and being able to switch in, get hit, and then get KOd on the next turn. Also consider that Blissey's signature move tends to be seismic toss; if she's up against e.g. slowbro, she can kill it before it manages to slack off and regain health.

Quote:

9. Is Blissey good in-game apart from healing Pokemon outside of battle?
Does Alomomola do the same thing outside of battle(healing teammates)?
I've never, ever used her or Chansey in-game. In-game battling is so much different than competitive. Softboiled might be useful as it can heal your pokemon outside of battle. I have no idea about Alomomola.

Quote:

10. Why does Blissey's TGC card claim only 120-130 HP while Wailord's 200? Blissey has the highest HP. Also, Drifblim and Wigglytuff's cards claim a bigger HP than Alomomola's while Alomomola has more HP than them. I mean, in the games Blissey has the most HP yet in the card games she has way less than wailord,alomomola,wigglytuff etc
Who knows? It's a trading card game. Why are bug type pokemon grass type cards? Why are ice type pokemon water type cards? Why are there attacks in the cards that don't exist in the game? Why can you evolve a pokemon while you're battling? Etc. It's a separate game, it doesn't need to follow all the rules of the video games.

Obesesniper93 May 18th, 2012 6:59 AM

Couple questions:
1. Is Shuckle even midly competetive? I would assume it makes a good wall.
2. EV training is battling a pokemon against a wild pokemon whose dominant stat is the stat you want to increase, yes???
Or does the wild pokemon's stat have to be HIGHER than the pokemon you're EV training?

PlatinumDude May 18th, 2012 7:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obesesniper93 (Post 7180708)
Couple questions:
1. Is Shuckle even midly competetive? I would assume it makes a good wall.
2. EV training is battling a pokemon against a wild pokemon whose dominant stat is the stat you want to increase, yes???
Or does the wild pokemon's stat have to be HIGHER than the pokemon you're EV training?

1. Not really. Its defensive typing isn't the best. Despite having high defenses, its low HP offsets them somewhat. It's also very susceptible to Taunt, and its nonexistent offenses mean that it has to rely on Toxic to deal damage. It doesn't have a reliable recovery move either.
2. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Care to elaborate?

Obesesniper93 May 18th, 2012 7:08 AM

Awww. Shuckle is awesome, though :/ lol.

I am not too farmiliar with EV training. I read a couple "essays" or "articles" on EV training, but the grammar and spelling were akin to a 5 year old with a typewriter, so I don't really trust the source.
I'd love to learn more about it, as I rarely go halfway with things and I want to start breeding and training for "perfect pokemon".
I guess my question is REALLY: "do you have a link to a valid source of information about EV training?"

PlatinumDude May 18th, 2012 7:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obesesniper93 (Post 7180719)
Awww. Shuckle is awesome, though :/ lol.

I am not too farmiliar with EV training. I read a couple "essays" or "articles" on EV training, but the grammar and spelling were akin to a 5 year old with a typewriter, so I don't really trust the source.
I'd love to learn more about it, as I rarely go halfway with things and I want to start breeding and training for "perfect pokemon".
I guess my question is REALLY: "do you have a link to a valid source of information about EV training?"

If you're playing Gen V, read this.

Ho-Oh May 18th, 2012 7:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obesesniper93 (Post 7180719)
Awww. Shuckle is awesome, though :/ lol.

I am not too farmiliar with EV training. I read a couple "essays" or "articles" on EV training, but the grammar and spelling were akin to a 5 year old with a typewriter, so I don't really trust the source.
I'd love to learn more about it, as I rarely go halfway with things and I want to start breeding and training for "perfect pokemon".
I guess my question is REALLY: "do you have a link to a valid source of information about EV training?"

Adding to PlatDude's link, to keep it in the community, you could also check out PC's EV training guide if Smogon's is a little complicated.

Obesesniper93 May 18th, 2012 7:15 AM

Soulsivler :( That IS gen four, right?
I have a window open, reading a breeding article, on Smogon right now. I'll peek around.
Thanks! :)

I'll also check out the links.

Perriechu May 18th, 2012 7:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obesesniper93 (Post 7180725)
Soulsivler :( That IS gen four, right?
I have a window open, reading a breeding article, on Smogon right now. I'll peek around.
Thanks! :)

I'll also check out the links.

Yes, Soulsilver is gen IV. If you're wanting an Ev training guide for it, go here. :)

SoulRed12 May 20th, 2012 2:11 AM

Say pokemon A is faster than pokemon B. If pokemon B uses protect, and on the next turn pokemon A uses encore as pokemon B tries to use a different move, does it encore protect and change pokemon B's move to protect despite the fact that protect would go last? Or what would happen?

Ho-Oh May 20th, 2012 2:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulRed12 (Post 7183023)
Say pokemon A is faster than pokemon B. If pokemon B uses protect, and on the next turn pokemon A uses encore as pokemon B tries to use a different move, does it encore protect and change pokemon B's move to protect despite the fact that protect would go last? Or what would happen?

Quote:

Start of turn 1
Vileplume used Protect!
Vileplume protected itself!

Requility's Infernape used Swords Dance!
Requility's Infernape's Attack sharply rose!

Start of turn 2
Requility's Infernape used Encore!
Vileplume received an encore!

Vileplume used Protect!
But if failed!
So yes, Protect will be encored and fail.

Obesesniper93 May 20th, 2012 7:17 AM

I was looking at the tiers for battles and noticed a column titled "BST."
What is this representing?

Ho-Oh May 20th, 2012 7:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obesesniper93 (Post 7183311)
I was looking at the tiers for battles and noticed a column titled "BST."
What is this representing?

It means base stat total - the total of all the the base stats a Pokemon has, added up. The highest base stat can go is up to 255, with the lowest at 1. Each stat, as in attack, special attack, etc, has an amount. It can be seen by the orange/yellow/red/green bars on the Pokemon's page.

Obesesniper93 May 20th, 2012 7:29 AM

Hate to ask another question so soon, but: are HG/SS pokemon in the same tiers as S/G???

Ho-Oh May 20th, 2012 7:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obesesniper93 (Post 7183328)
Hate to ask another question so soon, but: are HG/SS pokemon in the same tiers as S/G???

No, a lot has changed since then. :( Two entirely different metagames. XD;

Tiers for G/S are listed right here.

Dark Azelf May 20th, 2012 7:34 AM

Nope, GS and gen 4 are totally different metgames (understatement) and should be treated as such.

http://www.smogon.com/gs/pokemon/

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/

Porynoir May 20th, 2012 9:58 AM

Rate meh team please!
 
I haven't acquired all of them, so I don't have the IVs.

Porygon-Z
Dusknoir
Meganium
Wailord
Altaria
Flareon

I didn't have room for a psychic, so just please give some CC. (constructive criticism)

A Sadistic Bastard May 20th, 2012 10:18 AM

Dusclops outclasses Dusknoir in every way possible. The only thing Dusknoir beats Dusclops at is being a physical attacker. Even then it's not very good at that. I'll add some more criticism in a minute.

Porynoir May 20th, 2012 10:40 AM

Yes, I may replace Flareon, possibly dusknoir with another ghost/dark type.

DispenserJustice May 20th, 2012 11:12 AM

It's very difficult to rate a team when we don't know anything beyond the team members.

Try to include Natures, Items, EVs, Movesets, and Abilities so we can help you much more efficiently.

A Sadistic Bastard May 20th, 2012 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porynoir (Post 7183556)
Yes, I may replace Flareon, possibly dusknoir with another ghost/dark type.

I'm telling you, Dusclops is an amazing wall. It absorbs outrages then burns the outragers. It is amazing.

Perriechu May 20th, 2012 1:12 PM

You need to include Ev's, Nature's, moves and everything else. If you cannot find out that information on your game then use Pokemon Online; it's what everyone else does.

And I agree with A Sadistic Bastard, Dusclops is way better than Dusknoir, but it has to hold an Eviolite.

DarthMetagross May 20th, 2012 1:35 PM

I see some problems with this. The point of getting one's team rated is to see how it may improve from past experience. If you haven't even acquired all the Pokemon, then you shouldn't be posting. Secondly, what tier is this? It looks like UU or RU by the Pokemon you're using. Are you new to this? I am too, but at least I know how to do it properly.

Obesesniper93 May 20th, 2012 3:08 PM

EV training newbie here
 
Hey, guys and girls.
As some of you know, I'm just starting to get involved in IV breeding and Ev training, prepping for online battles in the near future.

My first question is: I already have a team(for getting through the game) around level 60; how do I see/calculate/find out what EV's they already have? Will I have to start over and just keep track?

My second question is this: How do you find out/learn which wild pokemon provide what EV boosts?

Loner_grunger May 20th, 2012 3:22 PM

Hey, well I'm on the same(or similar) situation that you are. The best way to calculate them is manually, but I know there are some IV checkers and stuff like that. On the EV yield, I found on some pages , you should try searching for "ev yield per pokemon" and maybe you'll find something that helps you out.

A Sadistic Bastard May 20th, 2012 3:24 PM

Use pokecheck.org. Don't ask me how to use it. Just follow the instructions.

Obesesniper93 May 20th, 2012 3:26 PM

Yes sir, Bastard, sir... Thanks :)

Tarje May 21st, 2012 10:06 PM

my soon to be team help
 
Emboar
Honchkrow
Galvantulla/lanturn
Executor/torterra
I need help ev training and adding to my team

Folly~ May 22nd, 2012 2:26 AM

Ermmmm... You're missing alot here. Everything from moves to EV spreads. xD

At any rate, I recommend you get rid of Emboar for just about anything, really... Conkeldurr would probably be a much better fit. Definitely go for Galvantula over Lanturn, and Torterra over Exeggutor. As much as I love the egg-tree, he's not exactly all that good at doing his job. lol

Now to fill the team to capacity, you could run an Alakazam with a Choice Specs set if you want and possibly a Claydol for walling.

(I'll leave movesets and spreads to somebody else, because I don't have time to post any right now)

Vrai May 22nd, 2012 4:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Folly~ (Post 7185998)
Ermmmm... You're missing alot here. Everything from moves to EV spreads. xD

Come back with movesets and a full team and I'd be happy to help rate your team. Testing would also be nice. :)

Tarje May 22nd, 2012 6:06 AM

I've just been training a bigger variety but not ev training. What about swanna wit dive/fly/ leftovers what do u think of that I lovee swanna for some reason emboars never really let me down and I been really considering a porygon just not sure which one.

Galvantulla wit compound eyes for speed and special attack right
I was thinking of using a bastiodon too great defense and it can learn almost anything I'm actually new on ev training playing hack games on my phone are the ev stats the same here

realdonnyv May 22nd, 2012 11:02 AM

Scizor Baton Pass + Moxie Krookodile
 
Do you think this would be a good strategy? A Jolly Krookodile with EV's in Attack and Speed to get a boost from a Baton Pass with Swords Dance. Im thinking Scizor due to the solid D and only weakness being fire.

Vrai May 22nd, 2012 11:57 AM

BP Scizor doesn't exist anymore and Krookodile is too slow/frail to take advantage of whatever is switching in on Scizor. Moxie Salamence would be a better target in general as it resists Fire and can smash Skarmory with Fire Blast or the like

Regardless I don't think I would try for something so specific like that. Scizor really shouldn't be trying to BP things, probably because you would rather be using them yourself or else you get Whirlwinded away by stuff like Skarmory

Dark Azelf May 22nd, 2012 12:12 PM

Mew and Gorebyss are essentially the best passers in the game. So id use one of those tbh.

Plus Scrafty outclasses Krookodile as a receiver as its alot bulkier and isnt as easy to pick off with priority, that and it still gets moxie.

Evoslingerr May 22nd, 2012 4:32 PM

Is EV training preferable at Lv. 50 fights?
 
Basically what's listed up. I understood that EV's only take their true full potential when battling at the highest levels. I could be wrong, could somebody tell me?

Ho-Oh May 22nd, 2012 4:36 PM

EV training is fine at any level but you won't see the full effects of the training until level 100. However, you can tell if it's done properly much earlier if you keep track of the EVs and talk to one of the people in-game about whether a stat is maxed or not.

Cyanide May 23rd, 2012 11:09 AM

Final pokemon/ an EV training question
 
this is about the 3rd time ive actually tried EV training, i messed up on some of my team along the line and there EV's got to spread out, im using HG/SS. so do i now basically just use E.V berries to take away the EV's in the stats i dont want and start over on the stats i want trained?

(i did it correctly with my alakazam and he came out amazingly, he stomps over anyone who hasnt the slightest clue what their getting into when i tell them im a "competitive" player)

And as for a final member to my team im not to sure what i want. so suggestions? i was thinking snorlax

i am running

Alakazam
Infernape
Kingdra
Salamance (shiny :])
Umbreon
?

the snorlax i have has great IV's and has a lowered speed increased attack nature. and if you agree with the snorlax EV distribution suggestions? i was thinking defence, hp, and the rest in atk.
Answers on EV training and suggestions please!

PlatinumDude May 23rd, 2012 7:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyanide (Post 7187937)
this is about the 3rd time ive actually tried EV training, i messed up on some of my team along the line and there EV's got to spread out, im using HG/SS. so do i now basically just use E.V berries to take away the EV's in the stats i dont want and start over on the stats i want trained?

(i did it correctly with my alakazam and he came out amazingly, he stomps over anyone who hasnt the slightest clue what their getting into when i tell them im a "competitive" player)

And as for a final member to my team im not to sure what i want. so suggestions? i was thinking snorlax

i am running

Alakazam
Infernape
Kingdra
Salamance (shiny :])
Umbreon
?

the snorlax i have has great IV's and has a lowered speed increased attack nature. and if you agree with the snorlax EV distribution suggestions? i was thinking defence, hp, and the rest in atk.
Answers on EV training and suggestions please!

Your Snorlax has a Brave nature, correct? A -Speed natured Pokemon is better suited for Trick Room teams, but Snorlax is very slow anyway, so I'll let that slide. The ideal spread for an offensive Snorlax would be 80 HP/252 Atk/176 SDef or 40 HP/252 Atk/40 Def/176 SDef for maximum power and good bulk. And here's a set that takes advantage of that spread:
-Return/Body Slam
-Earthquake/Crunch
-Fire Punch/Crunch
-Pursuit
Nature: Brave
EVs: 80 HP/252 Atk/176 SDef or 40 HP/252 Atk/40 Def/176 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb/Choice Band
Ability: Thick Fat

Master Gengar May 24th, 2012 3:50 PM

Hey guys so this is my first time making a competitive battling team so if you guys could give me your suggestions thatd be greatly appreciated! I havent written down my EV's yet or my natures because im not sure this is the team im gonna use... Please comment!!!
Blissey:
Serene grace
-aromatherapy/heal bell
-softboiled
-flamethrower
-thunderbolt

Gengar:
Levitate
-haze
-pain split/explosion
-flamethrower
-dark pulse

Scyther:
Swarm
-baton pass
-double team
-sword's dance
-bug buzz

Dragonite:
Inner focus
-draco meteor
-ice beam
-flamethrower
-thunderbolt

Heracross:
Guts choice scarf
-close combat
-megahorn
-stone edge
-toxic/night slash/sleep talk

Togetic:
Serene grace
-double team
-extrasensory
-flamethrower
-water pulse

Yoshikko May 24th, 2012 3:53 PM

Well, iirc you have to include the EV's, items, natures, and so on, or people won't be able to help you (also they're not gonna figure out all that by themselves) But yeah idk I think so ;((

Master Gengar May 24th, 2012 3:56 PM

haha well looks like thats what im working on right now i guess haha thanks for the quick reply though :D

okay here guys i think ive decided on my EV's and stuff but if you have any suggestions that would be greatly appreciated

Blissey:
Serene grace
-aromatherapy/heal bell
-softboiled
-flamethrower
-thunderbolt
EV’s 252 Defense/252 Attack/4 HP
Scope Lens
Lax

Gengar:
Levitate
-haze
-pain split/explosion
-flamethrower
-dark pulse
EV’s 152 Speed/200 Attack/58 Defense/100 Special Attack
Razor Fang
Naughty

Scyther:
Swarm
-baton pass
-double team
-sword's dance
-bug buzz
Ev’s 252 Special Defense/158 Speed/100 Defense
Item?
Calm

Dragonite:
Inner focus
-draco meteor
-ice beam
-flamethrower
-thunderbolt
EV’s 252 Speed/252 Special Attack/4 Defense
Quick Claw
Rash

Heracross:
Guts choice scarf
-close combat
-megahorn
-stone edge
-toxic/night slash
EV’s 252 Attack/252 Speed/4 HP
Razor Claw
Adamant

Togetic:
Serene grace
-double team
-extrasensory
-flamethrower
-water pulse
EV’s 252 Speed/252 Special Attack/4 Attack
King’s Rock
Jolly

SoulRed12 May 24th, 2012 5:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Master Gengar (Post 7189386)
haha well looks like thats what im working on right now i guess haha thanks for the quick reply though :D

okay here guys i think ive decided on my EV's and stuff but if you have any suggestions that would be greatly appreciated

Blissey:
Serene grace
-aromatherapy/heal bell
-softboiled
-flamethrower
-thunderbolt
EV’s 252 Defense/252 Attack/4 HP
Scope Lens
Lax

Blissey wants bold nature with leftovers (because of her huge HP, the recovery will be huge comparatively). Also, you're wasting EVs in attack since she doesn't have any physical moves. I'd reallocate those attack EVs to HP, and give blissey seismic toss instead of t-bolt and flamethrower so her offensive stats don't matter. I'd also recommend a status move, I.e. either toxic or t-wave.

Gengar:
Levitate
-haze
-pain split/explosion
-flamethrower
-dark pulse
EV’s 152 Speed/200 Attack/58 Defense/100 Special Attack
Razor Fang
Naughty

Explosion's been nerfed in gen V (no longer halves opponents defense) so it's not really useful. Haze is different and could be useful, but Gengar is probably too frail to be able to use it. Next, Gengar can't actually learn flamethrower; he has to settle for Hidden Power fire. Dark Pulse should be shadow ball, since it's stab'd and hits basically the same types except trades NVE to fighting for being ineffective against normals, which you can hit with the second attack you choose (HP Fire or something like Thunderbolt or focus blast).

Scyther:
Swarm
-baton pass
-double team
-sword's dance
-bug buzz
Ev’s 252 Special Defense/158 Speed/100 Defense
Item?
Calm

Sadly Scyther isn't the greatest in OU play thanks to taking major damage from stealth rock and being generally frail. If you want him, though, you'll need some major improvements. First, double team (and other evasion-boosting moves) are generally banned from standard play. Next, you'll want to switch to a physical attacking move (e.g. bug bite), because Scyther's attack is much higher than his Special Attack (bug buzz is a special move). Last, Scyther is too frail for a defensive set. He wants to hit hard and hit fast, so I'd max out his attack and speed and give him either adamant or jolly nature.

Dragonite:
Inner focus
-draco meteor
-ice beam
-flamethrower
-thunderbolt
EV’s 252 Speed/252 Special Attack/4 Defense
Quick Claw
Rash

Dragonite doesn't need Quick Claw. Better to give it Life Orb for that extra sting from its attacks. As for its nature...generally you want to stay away from natures that drop defense or special defense, unless you're running a mixed (physical and special) set, which this set isn't. Since you don't have any physical attacks, if you want to increase special attack, go for a modest nature, which increases Special Attack at the expense of physical attack. Anyway, I really don't know what to say about this set. It's fully special, something that doesn't often happen because Dragonite is a great stall breaker when it's mixed. But, if this works for you, go for it.

Heracross:
Guts choice scarf
-close combat
-megahorn
-stone edge
-toxic/night slash
EV’s 252 Attack/252 Speed/4 HP
Razor Claw
Adamant

This looks fine. I'd go night slash over toxic since you'll be locked into the move, giving hte opponent a chance to set up, sweep a bit, then switch out before the toxic kills him (resetting the toxic counter). One thing--why do you say "guts choice scarf" above and then Razor Claw below? I'd definitely go choice scarf (razor claw is really only useful on pokemon with super luck, e.g. absol).

Togetic:
Serene grace
-double team
-extrasensory
-flamethrower
-water pulse
EV’s 252 Speed/252 Special Attack/4 Attack
King’s Rock
Jolly

If you're going to go togetic, you need to give her eviolite, not king's rock. Also, she's really not much of an attacking pokemon; to sweep, go togekiss, who gets the powerful air slash granting her a 60% flinch chance. (also, once again, you can't use double team in most standard metagames). If you go togekiss, I'd suggest leftovers to abuse the free turns after flinches for recovery.

My comments are in bold. The team's not bad, but could use a bit of work.


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