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It'd be the same thing as a lot of hit and run attacks are now - like Specs Latios. In their respective weathers I think they'd feel fairly underwhelming though, considering that they'd perform the same way they do now but without the chance to paralyze or confuse. Just a thought, anyway.
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Honestly, I never found moves like Scald to be hax that was supposed to happen. Even with a 30% rate of a status condition, it's annoying when Jellicent try and spam Scald at Ferrothorn until it gets a burn. I'd rather that gets removed. It will be relieving to see moves like Stone Edge hit, however. Instead of biting your nails every time you choose to use them.
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has anyone battled on that yet? does it affect gameplay that much really??
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I think it's asking for a lot of prediction and very very good teambuilding. You'll have to be very effective with your team choices to have any kind of relative success in this kind of metagame - and, it does remove luck. You have to out-skill the other person to win. :x |
The more you guys talk about it the better it sounds. So is the server up already? Like, can I play? lol, I'm excited. A whole new metagame with the same Pokemon, awesome.
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I...I don't know about the new metagame. Sure some Pokemon like Terrakion would certainly appreciate Stone Edge NOT MISSING but it isn't really bad at all when it does, even if it does cost you the game. Though I always complain about hax and how much I hate it, it doesn't really feel like it's same game without it. It's always tense when you have to rely on a move that misses every time, biting your nail waiting for your opponent and then it hits/misses. Yeah, I like that. I also like relying on hax with Jirachi, or being careful of getting haxed. I only hate losing and being haxed from a noob, but when it's against someone good, I think it only adds to the intensity to the match, which is good.
It's really like Mario Kart Wii. I always complained about the hax there (and it's really BS) but when I tried playing without items it was just...not fun anymore. I might try it and see if it's better, but for now I'm sticking with the current metagame. |
Just a tip, but if you ever fight a good battler, they're guaranteed to have Jirachi on their team. Otherwise they lose to Latios and Reuniclus, two extremely broken Pokemon who have yet to be banned since Smogon enjoys abusing them and using them both as last ditch efforts when their teams have been completely dismantled.
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Hello ladies. Look at your teams. Now back to mine. Now back at your teams. Now back to mine. Sadly, your teams aren't mine. But if you stopped guessing randomly about synergy and what worked together, maybe your teams could have a chance at being as awesome as mine. Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're rapidly shooting up the ladder with a team less suckish than your old one. What's in your hand? Back at me. I have it. It's a Cloyster with a synergy tool. Look again. The tool is now ...still the same tool. Anything is possible when you use a neat synergy tool to help you with your teams instead of suckishly guessing. I'm on a Keldeo. do-doo doot dee doot do dah dooo
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f7/Spr_5b_091_s.png in case you did not understand that (which i wouldn't put it past you guys), i found a really cool/useful synergy-relevant tool that i think would be awesome when you're trying to put a team together. click on the cloyster to use it. :) |
Cute for type synergy, but I look past that in most cases and try to find synergy through what threatens whatever sweeper I'm using (which isn't generally that hard to find out...). Neat nonetheless. Could be useful for beginners when they're just starting out. :]
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In any case, I believe if you were to compare the two, Reuniclus is the one with no checks and thus is more broken. |
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383 Atk vs 166 Def & 362 HP (120 Base Power): 516 - 608 (142.54% - 167.96%) That's a LO Trick Room Focus Blast. 287 Atk vs 166 Def & 362 HP (120 Base Power): 386 - 456 (106.63% - 125.97%) That's a +0 CM Reuniclus Focus Blast. 430 Atk vs 166 Def & 362 HP (70 Base Power): 340 - 400 (93.92% - 110.50%) That's a +1 CM Reuniclus HP Fighting. If you'll notice, Excadrill doesn't have that much of a chance to take a hit. ;x |
Adamant +0 Excadrill does 40.09%->47.64 on CM Reuniclus with X-Scissor and 80.19%->94.81 at +2. With Earthquake, it does 37.74%->44.58% at +0 and 75.24->88.68 with a +2 Earthquake.
The fact that a Pokemon with an attack stat of 405 3HKO's it at +0 shows it's far too broken defensively, thus leading it to an uninterrupted sweep. Also, new topic: What are the CBC Community's thoughts on the return of User Pokedra? |
I, for one, am excited about Pokedra coming back. He was a good battler back in the days and I'm excited to see him in the new generation!
Also, yeah, Excadrill's defenses aren't the best, so it won't be taking any Focus Blasts from a base 125 special attack. Reuniclus is insanely annoying to fight because of Magic Guard, recover on the CM set, and trick room to mess with your fast pokemon. It's like a +6 speed boost for himself because you don't even have to make other pokemon on your team get an advantage from Trick Room. He's so bulky and powerful that he only needs it for himself. Kinda says something if you ask me. :x |
I don't mind Pokedra's company. While I do admit to treating dear Pokedra badly, I think the times have changed, and we have changed with the times. He has already had experience with competitive battling, which will be of great benefit with regards to returning to a competitive scenario with Gen V. Pokedra knows our competitive regulars / hermit community, so he'll be more comfortable with us (people tend to be nervous or less open around people they don't know). I am confident that this community, including myself, has gone past openly boasting hostility towards members, and realizes the vice inherent in such treatment, not least of all when we're concentrating large amounts of energy and effort into encouraging activity, and trying to open the floodgates (in a good way) for new players.
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I'ma butt in and say that the Synergy tool Vrai found is amazing! :D
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What synergy tool? And what's this thing about max defense Excadrill? xD
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Oh I see. Well, I should put that into good use when the time comes. That is, when I think of what team I should build.
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I think I need to build a new team, I've just seen Pokedra's SmashPass team, I remember I had one of them but I didn't put enough effort into it to use it effectively, I may start building a SmashPass team.
I'm gonna use Huntail! <3 Gorebyss can suck it. Huntail's base stats; 55 | 104 | 105 | 94 | 75 | 52 Gorebyss' base stats; 55 | 84 | 105 | 114 | 75 | 52 Gorebyss is superior, but I always find trouble getting a Physical Pokemon onto a SmashPass team. Huntail needs some lovin' |
Gorebyss is just the superior Smashpasser because it has the higher singular stat to attack with if need be. Huntail would need to go mixed to abuse his stats and that detracts from its bulk. :(
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Both are no match for Amooonguss, so I mean, what's the point? Huntail just dies faster. ;]
Also, have any of you actually tried Amoonguss in the current metagame? It's surprisingly good and it seems a lot of people just overlook it (most likely because of Ferrothorn for grass), but his fighting resistance is extremely handy and he can survive a lot of things most people wouldn't expect (I think he survives Specs D-Meteor from Latios, but I dunno if that actually happened or was a dream). Just a little tip for future team building: "Worried about losing to smash pass? Use Amoonguss." I put him on my team specifically for that, but to be honest, he does much more. I'm thoroughly surprised by his performance. |
Just for fun I threw a team together with both Gorebyss and Huntail. I'd just pass the Shell Smash to the next one while both screens were still up, then do it again. Although it seems to be glitched (Sometimes my special attack would still end up +2, or my defenses would both still end up -1 even with the White Herb on both of them), when it worked, it was an easy 5-0 (Because my Uxie always uses Memento). Also, Dragonite > Garchomp as SmashPass recipient.
Btw I tried the no luck server, and honestly, I don't think it made enough of a difference to be that fun really. Although I only battled two people and didn't build another team for it, just used a previous one. And yeah Aero, I use it on a full stall team I made, Chansey / Ferrothorn / Jellicent / Torkoal / Amoonguss / Bronzong. He's definitely a great team member, although I don't really ever do anything with him besides take hits. |
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