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Masqueraine July 4th, 2011 6:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Penatrait (Post 6725193)
You know what grinds my gears? The fact that gays think they're right about the subject simply because they are gay.

Well, despite it grinding your gears, I don't think it's too crazy for multiple gay people to tell you that they can't change this aspect about themselves and that it's not a choice, in a topic dealing with, um, homosexuality.

And if it bothers you that much then you can respond to this post that does no such thing. :) right down there VVVV

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To expand on my earlier post, I don't think anybody can say for sure whether somebody is born gay or straight. That being said I strongly consider it. In the womb it has been proven in studies that the male fetus is viewed as an 'outsider' and so the body reacts to it with estrogen, which is why second born and so on sons have a higher chance of being gay, because as we have seen demonstrated through vaccines once a body is introduced to a foreign substance it has an easier time fighting it off. In the case of a human fetus it instills more feminine tendencies, such as homosexuality in males.

The idea that choosing to be a sexuality is like choosing your favorite color is a bit far fetched. Sexuality is an animalistic trait. You cannot mentally choose to change what makes your blood flow faster. Things like your favorite movie, color, and so on have to do with our higher intellectual capability. Animals don't see a color and prefer it the way we do, and they don't watch television and understand what's going on. Our intellectual capacity is always expanding and with it the things we like or prefer, due to these changes that take place.

So I'll have to disagree completely with Penetrait. People don't choose their sexuality, and if we could, I wouldn't be a lesbian. I'm trying to prove your theory right now but so far I still like a pretty lady.
So yeah, now you don't have to be grinded or whatevs.

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Originally Posted by Penetrait
If that's true, you'd have to also be straight to be right about being straight. But one defines the other. Problem?

Wut. Lol

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Originally Posted by Penetrait
I chose to be straight when I realized the two aspects of sexual attraction: Physical attraction, and emotional attraction. I can recognize good-looking boys, so that's half the problem solved there. Emotional attraction is no less harder to find, either. But I do not want to be emotionally attracted to any man, and therefore choose to be straight.

Good for you, maybe you're part of the exception. You're really not giving me enough to work with here to actually make a valid argument.

I can recognize good looking people regardless of gender as well, unfortunately I don't see what this does for your argument that sexuality is a choice. And your just being very technical and arbitrary about what making a choice really is, you said that you don't want to be emotionally attracted to a man, so you "choose" not to be with them. But anybody else would look at that as you not liking men. Unless you're bisexual, and are just choosing to prefer one out of two things that you already like, then it's most likely that you're just straight. You didn't choose that, bro.. and if you did were you gay first?

And when you say that you've "chosen" not to be emotionally attached to a man, does that mean you're physically attracted to them? If so then it sounds more to me like you're gay but don't accept that part of yourself, which would make sense with your statement that you won't allow yourself to be emotionally attached to a guy.

And I don't think he's part of the exception, looking at this thread he seems to be a part of the vast majority. XD

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Originally Posted by Drew (Post 6725263)


You have a point. xD

But still.. people going against the fact that being gay is a choice, when plenty of people who are gay are stressing that it's not a choice.. >_>

You can't really know the complete truth, nor what it's like unless you are gay.
You can't totally know what it's like be transgender, unless you are.
You can't fully know what it's like to ride in an airplane, unless you have before.

People who are heterosexual can learn, and sympathize, and study, and befriend, and guess, explore their own orientations, but unless they really are fully homosexual.. they can't be completely certain enough about it to judge it 100 percent. They can't fully know what goes on inside the minds of people in the LGBT group to know it's not a choice, just like people in said group can't know exactly what it's like to be straight.


This is a good post imo. :)

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Originally Posted by Zet (Post 6726734)
Just think about it for a second, if people can "choose" to be homosexual, then that means people can also "choose" to be heterosexual.

You can only choose to be something when you're something else to begin with. If you grew up heterosexual you never chose to be heterosexual, because you were never gay to begin with. Likewise with gay people, as demonstrated by everybody in this thread.

Azonic July 4th, 2011 9:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Penatrait (Post 6719226)
I chose to be straight when I realized the two aspects of sexual attraction: Physical attraction, and emotional attraction. I can recognize good-looking boys, so that's half the problem solved there.

It's true that physical and emotional attraction differ. There are many people who are sexually interested in one gender, romantically interested in another (homo/heteromantic / homo/heterosexual).

Not completely convinced by your story though. I mean, recognizing good-looking boys doesn't mean that you get the same sexual stimulation from them. Gay men can recognize a beautiful or hot girl, but they won't get the same sexual stimulation from looking at a hot guy.

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Emotional attraction is no less harder to find, either. But I do not want to be emotionally attracted to any man, and therefore choose to be straight.
I'm just not convinced it works like that. What you want to like is not always what you actually DO like. For all we know, you very well could be capable of being emotionally attracted to a man but just avoid that circumstance. I think if you're capable of being emotionally attracted to the same sex in a sexual way, then it does make you bi/homosexual (or at least -romantic)

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My colour analogy works just fine. Colour and who you love are the exact same thing when you break it down to what it is, and for that, I redirect you back to my original post.
I dunno. I love the color blue but I don't get boners from looking at it.

I do think sexuality is fluid to some extent. Many people, like bisexuals, report having occasional gay days or straight days in which they just lean towards one gender more than usual. It's limited, not like you can go from Kinsey 6 to Kinsey 0.

Anyways I doubt you can choose what things you like. Perhaps it changes slightly over time, who knows, but I definitely don't think its a conscious decision. If it was, then I could shove bird poop down my throat and say that it was my favorite taste ever.

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Nick July 4th, 2011 11:19 AM

As I said earlier, I believe the only choice someone has on their sexuality is whether they accept being gay or not.

But regarding the opinions mattering and whatnot argument that's going on with a few other people... think of it this way. You have been having chronic headaches for the past few months that come and go every other day. You don't know what the cause is for them, but you want to find out. Who are you going to go to and trust what they're telling you? You're going to go to your doctor. If you're worried, you're going to ask people you know what they think is causing it, but you won't know for certain what the cause is until you go to a doctor.

Relating this example to our discussion, you can ask what other people think where homosexuality comes from (born this way vs choice, in this case), and you can gather their opinions, but the only people who will be able to tell you for certain are people who have experience in this. The only people who truly have experience in this argument are gay people. I say that simply because I know of a lot of girls (specifically) that "go gay" because the men that they've been with have all done them wrong in the past. Does that make them gay? No. They're still going to find men sexually attractive compared to women. They're opening themselves up to another sex. Not because of the sexual orientation, but because of the emotional attachment that they could get with a woman that they never had the ability to find with a man. People think that this automatically changes their sexual orientation, but it doesn't. "Going gay" doesn't affect someone's sexual orientation.

As someone who believes that anyone has the ability to fall in love with anyone, regardless of sexual orientation, I can't change the fact that I find legs to be the most appealing aspect when compared to breasts or butts on a woman just as I can't change the fact that I find a toned stomach (not necessarily abs) to be something that are really attractive on anyone. Suggesting that someone's sexuality is a choice is like suggesting that you can make the choice of trying an exotic food of being good or bad. You taste it, and you like it or you don't. You don't decide whether you like it. As such, if you don't actually like it, you can't make the choice to suddenly like it then have another taste and find it the be the most delicious thing you've ever eaten.

I don't think the people who are saying "I'm gay. I'm telling you that this isn't a choice." are trying to disprove your ability to formulate and express your opinion. They're just telling you that this is how it is as someone who's experienced what it's like to actually be gay. They're a lot more qualified to be able to give you a straight, sure-fire educated answer than someone who hasn't experienced it. Anyone can have an opinion. An opinion is "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge." You can have your opinion, and believe what you want to believe, but the only people who know the answer are people who have experienced it. Obviously, the only people who can experience actually being gay are gay people. A straight woman can experiment with women all she'd like. She may like it, she may not. But she can't change their sexuality from being straight to gay by just being intimate with a woman. She's still going to find the men sexually appealing. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but arguing that opinion as fact against people who have experienced being gay and know that it isn't a choice isn't exactly progressive.

You can make the choice to limit yourself to the sex that you're sexually attracted to. You can make the choice of whether or not you want to be with someone, whether you find them sexually desirable or not. You can make the choice to experiment. But when it comes to sexuality in itself, you can't make the choice of being attracted to the same sex or the opposite sex. If you could, then all you would have to do is decide that you are now going to like the same sex sexually, and then suddenly you like them. That isn't how it works. Have any of you that are saying that it's a choice actually have sat there one day and have tried to make the choice of the sex you find sexually appealing? Sure, you may believe that, but have you experienced the moment of making the choice to find men or women (or both) sexually appealing? Did you look at a woman/man and decided "I'm really turned on by her/him!!" There's just a natural reaction in your body that gets you hot when you see someone sexually gratifying. You don't decide it.

Sexuality relates to sexual feelings. And just as you don't decide on the emotion you're feeling, you don't decide your sexuality. That being said, I believe that you can make the choice of whether or not to be open to having a relationship with someone, regardless of your sexuality. But that choice doesn't mean that you're making the choice of being gay or being straight, or even being bi. Relating this, you can make the choice of wanting to be happy, but wanting to be happy doesn't make you happy. A gay person can make the choice of wanting to be straight, but wanting to be straight doesn't make you straight.

Who's Kiyo? July 5th, 2011 6:16 AM

It's not a choice.

In fact, if we didn't put some much attention on it and accepted it right from the start into society and treated it as a perfectly natural part of human life,

we wouldn't be having this conversation and everyone's lives would be easier.

"Coversion therapy? What's that?"
"Another name for it is gay therapy."
"....Gay therapy? is that- is that like when a guy gives another guy a massage or something?"
"No, it's when someone who is gay goes to a therapist to become straight."
"...."
"What?"
"I don't get it."

deoxys121 July 5th, 2011 11:18 AM

My beliefs in this case: Your sexual orientation is not a choice. You are born that way and it is just a matter of discovering your sexual orientation. In today's generally homophobic society, I can understand why homosexuals would not discover it for several years because of fear of not being accepted, so they try to "convince" themselves to act straight. I am fully accepting of anyone, despite their sexual orientation. I think if the rest of us were like that, the whole world would be a much better place. I think homosexual couples should be allowed to get married and have every right that heterosexual couples have.

Margot July 5th, 2011 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Masqueraine (Post 6727632)


Well, despite it grinding your gears, I don't think it's too crazy for multiple gay people to tell you that they can't change this aspect about themselves and that it's not a choice, in a topic dealing with, um, homosexuality.

And if it bothers you that much then you can respond to this post that does no such thing. :) right down there VVVV



So yeah, now you don't have to be grinded or whatevs.



Wut. Lol



I can recognize good looking people regardless of gender as well, unfortunately I don't see what this does for your argument that sexuality is a choice. And your just being very technical and arbitrary about what making a choice really is, you said that you don't want to be emotionally attracted to a man, so you "choose" not to be with them. But anybody else would look at that as you not liking men. Unless you're bisexual, and are just choosing to prefer one out of two things that you already like, then it's most likely that you're just straight. You didn't choose that, bro.. and if you did were you gay first?

And when you say that you've "chosen" not to be emotionally attached to a man, does that mean you're physically attracted to them? If so then it sounds more to me like you're gay but don't accept that part of yourself, which would make sense with your statement that you won't allow yourself to be emotionally attached to a guy.

And I don't think he's part of the exception, looking at this thread he seems to be a part of the vast majority. XD


This is a good post imo. :)



You can only choose to be something when you're something else to begin with. If you grew up heterosexual you never chose to be heterosexual, because you were never gay to begin with. Likewise with gay people, as demonstrated by everybody in this thread.

I agree with a lot of this. I think a lot of people are saying "I chose to be straight because I don't want to be with a guy/girl of my gender" are mixing it up with just plain unattraction. If you're choosing to be straight, then you had to understand what it was to be homosexual since you're choosing against it.

And I also fully think that gays have the right to speak about this topic like they know it well because they do. They are gay, they know what it's like, they experience it everyday, they would know if they chose it or not. Saying they can't be experts on it is like saying just because you're straight doesn't mean you know anything about it. If someone came up to me and told me I chose to be straight and live a straight lifestyle, I'd be confused and offended. I never sat down as a five year-old and thought to myself "now....do I want to chase the boys around the playground or the girls? which lifestyle do I want for myself" No, I just like guys. Plain and simple. And I feel I can talk like I know a thing or two about being straight because I am, just like gay people can talk about being gay.

Count July 5th, 2011 12:27 PM

One thing I don't understand is people who see it as a choice and then clarify it as sexuality being formed by experiences and environment in life. If your sexuality would be formed like that it would not be a choice. Those are two different things; before you say something is a choice please make sure you know what a choice is.

Now for my opinion, I am convinced it is not a choice. You can choose to date men or women, but you don't choose whether you're attracted to men or women.
I am unsure however of how sexuality is formed. I don't know whether I was born this way. There definitely is a difference between emotional attraction and sexual attraction though. I can have a crush on guys as well as girls so I consider myself bisexual. I know that I can be emotionally attracted to both genders. But sexually, I definitely have a preference. Whether I follow that preference, THAT is a choice. But the preference is there. It's part of me.

Azonic July 5th, 2011 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Count (Post 6729754)
[SIZE="2"]One thing I don't understand is people who see it as a choice and then clarify it as sexuality being formed by experiences and environment in life. If your sexuality would be formed like that it would not be a choice. Those are two different things; before you say something is a choice please make sure you know what a choice is.



Its just unconscious choice vs. conscious choice. It's definitely not a conscious choice, and an unconscious choice would be doing something that leads to homosexuality without knowing.

At least they acknowledge that you can't just wake up one day and say I'm Straight hhaah

Townes July 7th, 2011 9:00 AM

Whether or not you can choose to be gay or not, it's not something to be mocked, because it is, very bluntly and probably slightly incorrectly, not being attracted to (in the case of men) boobs and the southern necessities.

tehGDS July 15th, 2011 11:03 AM

..these posts about how it's a choice is just making me sad.. it's like how inferno said.. it's like choosing to have autism or aspherger's syndrome, you can't choose it.. if I can choose to be straight well can't I choose already? I have been mocked at many times, and also my ex had made me hate giving guys a chance, but that still didn't make me straight, I was not aroused by girls even after that horrible break up. I really don't think it's a choice.. I only say I'm going to turn straight when it's a joke, geez take it as a joke.. >_> lol but um, it's not a choice I really don't think it's a mental disorder either, either you're born with it or not, that is all thank you 8D

Aorio July 15th, 2011 1:32 PM

Being gay is absolutely not a choice. I get so tired of hearing this. Think of it this way: I could never imagine liking or being attracted to or being in a relationship with another girl. The thought just does not appeal to me whatsoever. Well, that's how it is for someone who is gay, just with the opposite gender. I think it's terrible how someone can be shunned just for loving who they want to love. All the Disney movies I watched growing up taught me to love whoever I want to love. Why is the world trying to tell someone who is gay differently now?

pastelspectre July 16th, 2011 5:55 AM

I personally think you're born with it. You can't choose it. You don't really realize it, though, until you get to the stage of puberty. I think you're born with it.
But, as for the user who said it is a disorder... what the heck. No, just no. Homosexuality is NOT a disorder. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. And for people who do think it's wrong, people beside the user who said it's a disorder, is just... I'm disappointed in them. Being gay, there's nothing wrong with it. You're just born with it, and you don't realize it until puberty.
There's nothing wrong with being gay. It's natural. I'm just speaking my thoughts here.

twocows July 16th, 2011 7:49 AM

I don't think the question matters unless you're trying to understand human sexuality from a scientific perspective. Whether they are born as such or become such through their experiences, the cause doesn't matter. I don't see homosexuality as a problem, so I don't really care. There are more important things to think about and real problems to deal with.

Eruption July 16th, 2011 2:03 PM

I'm not sure about being born with it. It could be born with it or your surroundings or a mixture of the two.

Either way, it's certainly not a choice.

And I think Atomico's post would surprisingly back up that argument despite it's actual intentions.

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Originally Posted by AtomicoExploda (Post 6717009)
In my opinion it's a mental disorder at birth, but I can't be sure about that since I never really do research on it. Either way, being homosexual is not right, there's definitely something wrong there.

Why would you choose to be gay if people think you have a mental disorder because of it?

blue July 16th, 2011 2:22 PM

Born that way, you can't choose your sexuallity.

Ultraviolence July 19th, 2011 8:04 PM

It's suprised me how many bigots there are here; it's no way a disorder! I am gay, I didn't choose it, nor was I born it, I believe it came around because of life experiences.

All of my remaining family members when I was born were female; I never had any male influences til I was around 4/5. I believe this contributed to my homosexuality; and I also believe the fact my mum is in a civil relationship made me realise my orientation.

But, unlike many gay people, I can accept that some people simply don't like the lifestyle, and that's fine, until it results in hate crime. I know discrimination is bad, but to be quite honest, I've accepted that many minorities (Muslims, black people, Jews) have discrimination on many degrees.

I also think that countries and US states have the right to ban homosexuality or gay marriage. It's all to do with their common beliefs and if people are gay in those states or counties, then they should seek refuge in a different country/state to avert this. The death penalty however, is a stroke too far.

Gothitelle. July 20th, 2011 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Penatrait (Post 6718482)
It's interesting to me the number of people who think sexual orientation is genetic. I honestly think that it varies from case to case. There is no one answer, just like most things in life.

I believe that for certain people, such events have happened in their lives that cause sexual orientation to be a choice. And I prefer to think of it as a choice, myself. Everyone makes such a big deal out of sexual orientation, probably because everyone makes a huge deal out of romance itself. But who says you have to be attracted to one specific gender all your life? If there weren't such taboos and prejudices linked to homosexuality, if it was as much an accepted part of our lives as doing the groceries once a week, I am convinced that many more people would be open to the idea of relations with those of the same sex, and would routinely switch between the two genders, just for kicks. Essentially, if it were not tabooed, a large sum of the population would be bisexual. And then you'd always have a small percentage that obviously don't follow the trends and stick to a specific gender for whatever reason.

I prefer to think of it like this: All your life, have you liked one single colour only? Has one colour been your favourite colour since you can remember? Some of you, sure, maybe, and cool for you. But not me, and I'm willing to bet not most of you either. Why did that change? Red used to be your favourite colour, but now it's second-best to green. You can't explain it, you just prefer the shade, you like what it reminds you of, how it makes you feel. Liking a colour, liking anything, is an attraction. Now you see where I'm going with this. Sexual orientation is an attraction and it can change. Not overnight, definitely not, but it can change. And the only reason why it can change is because everyone assumes their child is straight from birth.

However, there are always and always will be cases that disprove my view. You can all promote the notion that sexual orientation is genetic, and I won't disagree (completely) because I used to think that way too. But I've thought about it and this is the conclusion I've come to.




tl;dr it's a choice.


I have to say I agree with this. I found your color analogy kinda strange, but I can kinda see where you are going.

Like you said, sexual orientation of a choice as to who are you attracted to. Tastes do change. There have people gay people who have gone straight or decided they were bisexual. And from a quote that I've been taught in the bible along time ago, it was kinda hinting that one can change their sexuality if they choose to.

But like you, I'd would probably be jumped for this. :-/

Myles July 20th, 2011 5:30 PM

Even though favourite colours and tastes and stuff change, you can't consciously change them yourself. Is red your favourite colour because you chose it to be? If it is, then it's not really your favourite colour, it's just what you tell people is.

Alice July 20th, 2011 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Starstruck★ (Post 6757232)
It's suprised me how many bigots there are here; it's no way a disorder! I am gay, I didn't choose it, nor was I born it, I believe it came around because of life experiences.

I've been saying that for a long time, glad someone who is actually Gay finally brought it up too.
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Originally Posted by Starstruck★ (Post 6757232)
I also think that countries and US states have the right to ban homosexuality or gay marriage. It's all to do with their common beliefs and if people are gay in those states or counties, then they should seek refuge in a different country/state to avert this. The death penalty however, is a stroke too far.

I can't quite agree with you there. The US is built upon freedom and equality, meaning that everyone, regardless of race/gender/sexuality should be treated equal. That's obviously not actually the case, but that doesn't mean you should stop fighting to make it happen.

.Fenris July 20th, 2011 9:37 PM

Do people get to choose eye/hair colour at birth? No? Same with sexuality.

-ty- July 20th, 2011 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by QuilavaKing (Post 6758880)
I've been saying that for a long time, glad someone who is actually Gay finally brought it up too.

I can't quite agree with you there. The US is built upon freedom and equality, meaning that everyone, regardless of race/gender/sexuality should be treated equal. That's obviously not actually the case, but that doesn't mean you should stop fighting to make it happen.

It's tough deciding as you say what is going "too far". Of course the death penalty is, as you stated. But, what about marriage? If that is not too far, then the right to vote could be acceptable as well. For example, in a Missouri Republican straw poll in 2010, the data showed that more people believed that biracial marriage should be illegal, than those who believed it should be legal. If the state had a proposition, and favored to illegalize biracial marriage, would that be going to far? Just because a people share a common belief, does if make it right? I think that is the reason why groups that have been oppressed, especially in the past, like women, black people, disabled people, gay people, and so on and so forth, never stop advocating rights, even when they are approaching equity. The reason being, they do not want to slide back and say, "well they can take away our right to vote, or marriage, because the public believes that." Once you start giving rights to people, they end up getting more and more right, like a domino effect until they become more equitable. The same could be true for taking away right. Once you take one away, it becomes more acceptable to keep taking and taking. So long story short, maybe being complacent with what rights you have, knowing that you still are not treated as an equal, could lead to complacency of more rights being taken away.

But I definitely agree that in MOST cases, the majority belief should be taken into account.

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I have to say I agree with this. I found your color analogy kinda strange, but I can kinda see where you are going.

Like you said, sexual orientation of a choice as to who are you attracted to. Tastes do change. There have people gay people who have gone straight or decided they were bisexual. And from a quote that I've been taught in the bible along time ago, it was kinda hinting that one can change their sexuality if they choose to.

But like you, I'd would probably be jumped for this. :-/

I can see how you see sexuality as a choice, since you are not GBLT. But try to look at it from a different perspective. What if being straight was called an "abomination" in the bible, and it was not a social norm. If someone asked you to change your sexuality and become gay, do you think a straight person could do that?

If the world really was like that, and gay was the norm. I think that it is POSSIBLE that I would come to the conclusion that sexuality is a choice.

I really want to know what your thoughts are; don't worry I will respect your opinion this time.

U.Flame July 20th, 2011 10:53 PM

woI think some people are more flexible than others. Some people are what they are and can't change it. Others might be able to choose who they like physically. But emotional love is something no one can choose or control. I think you have to fall in love to find out for sure. I'm pretty sure you're born the way you are too. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality either. It's not a disease nor is it anything to be ashamed of. I like women but I'm not uncomfortable with the idea of falling in love with a man. I just have to wait to fall in love to find out. And there's definitely a difference between opinion and bigotry. "Homosexuality isn't wrong" isn't just an opinion, it's a fact. Anyone who thinks there's something wrong with it, that's not an opinion, that's prejudice. It shouldn't be used as an insult either.

On a side note, I think saying "gay" when complaining about something isn't as wrong as it seems. I know quite a few people who are tolerant of homosexuals, but still use "gay" when complaining. They don't actually think gay is bad, it's just something they say as a completely different definition. Although I can see how it can be offensive, it just depends on how they use it and what you think of it. I just don't think it's a 100% offensive.

Also, I've been wondering, has there ever been any game with a homosexual main character? One of the three main characters in my hack is a homosexual, and while it's not the focus of the game, it's something I hope people can learn to tolerate. And NOT just because she's a female. I hate it when people are okay with lesbians but not gay men.

Emolga July 21st, 2011 4:19 PM

To be honest, I hope if I have a son one day that he is gay. haha. I am like Will's crazy ex-wife from Glee!

Don't worry I am joking; I would love my son if he was straight too! The truth is that gay, straight, lesbian, transgender, bisexual, poly-amorous, and everyone else in between do not choose to have their brains release certain response stimuli in accordance to sexual orientation. I think for some people, chemicals send mixed signals, and they kind of have to "experiment" with sexuality and love.

Gothitelle. July 21st, 2011 4:44 PM

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Originally Posted by -ty- (Post 6759188)
I can see how you see sexuality as a choice, since you are not GBLT. But try to look at it from a different perspective. What if being straight was called an "abomination" in the bible, and it was not a social norm. If someone asked you to change your sexuality and become gay, do you think a straight person could do that?

If the world really was like that, and gay was the norm. I think that it is POSSIBLE that I would come to the conclusion that sexuality is a choice.

I really want to know what your thoughts are; don't worry I will respect your opinion this time.


If the bible said that being straight was wrong and being gay was the way to the pearly white gates, then I'd have to chose to be gay because I don't want to to go to the inferno. Plus, it would be another thing for people to point fingers and laugh at me about.

If I was asked to change me sexuality however, that would be hard for me because I can't see myself being into girls. I can't see myself living that lifestyle.


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