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Shining Raichu November 10th, 2011 6:14 AM

What would you change?
 
The only thing better than a perfect game is a game that is perfect except for a few tiny flaws that we get to pick at!

If you were in charge of creating Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver, what would you have done differently? Would you have tried to remain more true to the originals? Would you have added in any features that the developers didn't think of? Perhaps you would have used the DS's capabilities differently? Anything you can think of.

Yingxue November 10th, 2011 8:11 AM

1) The leveling system.

2) I'd let you put decorations in your room again. I miss that :(

Snivy063 November 11th, 2011 2:41 AM

I think I have nothing to change at all, they implemented majority of what I wanted for a Gold/Silver remake, so I'm pretty much okay with it. :) .. The only thing that bothered me is Lyra, wanted Kris instead. :x

Plazamanu November 11th, 2011 4:10 AM

hmm, maybe getting the gb sounds right from the start since it was meant to give that nostalgic feeling to older players. obtaining it in kanto almost defeats the purpose.

don't get me wrong though, i'm still thankful the developers even bothered to add that feature.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ November 11th, 2011 5:41 AM

Well, the first thing I would change would be the disappointing final "boss" battle (and I hesitate to even call Red a "boss" as he is pretty pathetic as far as trainers go). I'm not gonna go as far to say that Red completely ruined my Soul Silver experience, but he certainly did bring my level of enjoyment down a few notches. The issue with Red I have is twofold: First, he doesn't have his Pokemon all fully evolved (and the one he doesn't just happens to be among the weakest and stupidest-looking of all Pokemon known to man) which is a big no-no; it left a huge opening in his defenses and made him absurdly simple to annihilate. Second is that he kept my favorite trainer (who should have been given her shot at appearing in the game) a complete no-show. There was absolutely no excuse for Leaf's absence aside from the developers either being lazy or playing favorites.

My preferred solution would be to simply replace Red with Leaf and give her a team of diverse (read, no overlapping types) Pokemon all in their final evolutionary stages. Unlike Red, she wouldn't be a complete pushover. Barring that, the DS dual slot could have been used to determine who you face in Mount Silver and what team they'll have, depending your character and party in your GBA game (with a default boss in case you can't use the dual slot). At the very least, the final boss should have been someone who has the intelligence to fully evolve their Pokemon so they pose some semblance of a challenge. As he stands, Red embarrasses and brings shame upon the otherwise solid game called Pokemon HG/SS.

Well, with the worst part of HG/SS out of the way, let's move on to other niggling problems.

*Rock Climb was a stupid addition. Did it really need to be included?

*The Safari Zone. No matter how much you try to sugarcoat it, the basic Rock/Bait formula for Pokemon capturing simply doesn't work. I preferred not having a Safari Zone in the originals.

*Please, let us delete Pokegear phone numbers. If you accidentially get Joey's number there's no way to rid yourself of it and you'll be regretting it for life.

*You should be able to select one Pokemon in your party to follow you around regardless of whether it's first on your list. With me changing the order of my Pokemon constantly, that feature lost a bit of its appeal as a different Pokemon would be there after every battle.

*Dear Mom: Stop embezzling my money to buy worthless berries and then pestering me over the phone whenever you do. That system worked a lot better in the originals because her purchases weren't nearly as frequent back then. Need I remind her that embezzlement is a felony?

*I want to acquire real estate and decorate it lavishly, like the Villa in Platinum. The beach west of Olivine would make for a nice setting.

*The Celebi event battle with Giovanni? Yeah, he should have been tougher.

*Did the female protaginist need to look like Mario with a balloon hat? In fact, why can't we have customized characters? And yes, I'm going to ask that of every Pokemon game from here on out.

Mr Cat Dog November 11th, 2011 11:30 AM

Honestly, SoulSilver is probably my favourite Pokemon game to play. The only thing I can think of in terms of improvement is that it is very, very similar to the original Gen II games. For most people, that's exactly what they wanted... but I guess I imagined a slightly new 'twist' on the game? That being said, what Game Freak did was still very good. Huzzah to them and all that.

MetalMario November 11th, 2011 12:51 PM

The PC system is terrible! All the needless mode switching makes it take twice as long to get anything done as in Platinum. They also removed the multiselection introduced in FRLG for no apparent reason.
Even B/W's box isn't as good as Platinum.

Agree @ using Kris for the female player and giving Leaf some sort of cameo.

Harmonie November 11th, 2011 1:17 PM

The only thing I would have changed was in some way having the user be able to choose Leaf being in the place of Red.

It still bothers me to this day. I don't understand why they didn't do that. HeartGold/SoulSilver should be considered more a sequel to FireRed/LeafGreen than they should be to Red/Blue/Yellow. Red was not the only trainer you could choose in FR/LG. I don't want to scream "Sexism!", but it is flat out wrong and inexcusable.

They were great remakes, but between replacing Kris and having Leaf be completely absent from the game they rubbed me in the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by Elite Overlord LeSabre™ (Post 6925105)
*You should be able to select one Pokemon in your party to follow you around regardless of whether it's first on your list. With me changing the order of my Pokemon constantly, that feature lost a bit of its appeal as a different Pokemon would be there after every battle.

^This, too. I am really bothered by that, I always want to have Cubone behind me since Cubone is my favorite, but I don't because I want to use other Pokemon to battle. I don't understand why they set it up that way.

miltankRancher November 11th, 2011 5:08 PM

The absence of the stuffed toys in your room. I miss my Snorlax

blue November 11th, 2011 5:15 PM

The levels, as fun as it was I still found the game incredibly easy! They could have improved from GSC by increasing the levels especially decreasing in some cases with Whitney's Level 19 Miltank. This was an issue with some people who played GSC so they could have made it slightly more difficult, apart from that I love HGSS.

Ciax November 11th, 2011 7:53 PM

I too would change the levels. It seems like the all the trainers in the region have underleveled pokemon. And then the gym leaders and elite four have much higher leveled pokemon. Then when you get to the Elite Four you're team is around 40-43 and you have to fight level 50 Dragonites. I always have to grind alot before the Elite four in these games.

bobandbill November 12th, 2011 3:56 AM

A touch higher levels would be good, true, although I didn't mind it much (I don't find the E4 too hard with that level gap after doing a grass and bug-only run of it. =p And at least it is not too easy).

Let's see... I don't think the pseudo rival was necessary tbh (although I do like their theme music). Besides, the lack of mr no-face showing how to catch Pokemon was saddening.

Optional phone numbers would have been nice although I don't mind it too much. The amount of times mum would buy berries and tell me about it though I do mind... and I like her saving my money too. D= Lack of Odd Egg is something I missedand downsize of Mt Moon still feels a bit off to me. And the lack of decorations in my room I also agree was saddening. =(

Maybe there's some other small things that do not come to mind atm but all in all I liked the heck out of HGSS anyways. =)

BryGuy Shinigami November 13th, 2011 8:42 AM

I personally liked Lyra a lot, she is my favorite of the female protagonists. As a Sabrina fanboy, I preferred her old look in the previous games better. I wasn't a big fan of her new look. But SoulSilver is my ALL TIME favorite video game, Pokemon or not, I even like it better than Black and White.

Dratinichick November 18th, 2011 2:05 PM

I honestly would have preferred your "childhood friend" to be more involved in the game. Like if they had made your friend your rival too. Instead of two different people. Thats my only issue with HG/SS otherwise it's a perfect game and an awsome re-make =D

Khall November 18th, 2011 2:47 PM

I would have liked to receive the baby Pokemon egg from the Daycare Man like you get in Crystal Version. I was disappointed when I found out that you don't get one in HG/SS.

Also, I would have liked to have the decoration feature for your room. It would actually give me a reason to let my mom save my money :C

PlatinumDude November 18th, 2011 3:44 PM

As mentioned before, I think the NPC Pokemon could have higher levels. I also would have liked it if some of the gym leaders gave the TMs of Gen IV, like Jasmine giving out Flash Cannon rather than Iron Tail and Pryce giving Avalanche rather than Hail.

flubbateios November 19th, 2011 1:16 AM

lol, I would make the Indigo & the Kanto league MUCH MUCH stronger, when I played it through the league never challenged me, I always found it easy gym by gym and so on.

bobandbill November 19th, 2011 3:47 AM

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Originally Posted by flubbateios (Post 6935023)
lol, I would make the Indigo & the Kanto league MUCH MUCH stronger, when I played it through the league never challenged me, I always found it easy gym by gym and so on.

To be honest they're always easy in any Pokemon game (which isn't surprising given Game Freak like going for the same formula that worked since rby, and the game is primarily aimed at kids!), but that depends on your team. If I want a challenging playthrough of a Pokemon game I go for a monotype run or the like. The league is far tougher with only grass types in your party, I can attest to that. =p

Hikamaru November 21st, 2011 3:20 AM

The post-game wild Pokemon in Kanto just aren't strong enough meaning you'll have to battle Trainers for grinding.

But overall, a great game.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ November 21st, 2011 7:47 AM

Lets start with the most annoying one, your mother calling you at least 60,000 times a day. I would also like to change the Pokemon Battle Frontier there, at least put new facilities instead of the same five from Pokemon Platinum.


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TheGr8 November 22nd, 2011 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ (Post 6937602)
Lets start with the most annoying one, your mother calling you at least 60,000 times a day. I would also like to change the Pokemon Battle Frontier there, at least put new facilities instead of the same five from Pokemon Platinum.


:t354:TG

Yeah I second this. It got really annoying when she kept calling me when I was trying to do things in the game. I also agree with the under leveled pokemon in Johto. Whitney was too easy and she should have been tougher anyway.

Yoshikko November 22nd, 2011 11:43 AM

I never really played HG/SS - I have a beated save file and I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING DONE THAT (and it was in 23 hours too) - but one thing that I'd change is the menu, the buttons, the style of them, everything. It's way too cubical and childish imo, not only the shape but the colours as well.



Just all in all looks extremely childish and overdone to me, but I love the gen.

Trance and Moss November 22nd, 2011 7:08 PM

The only thing I can think of is a better Dowser...you know the device that tells you where hidden items are. The dowser in Black is much easier to use. However SSHG has many features which B/W lacks, such as Pokewalker, Pokemon walking behind you, and the running button on the touch screen that lets you run without holding "b".

Deliciousfruit233 November 22nd, 2011 11:42 PM

1. Remove the opposite gender player NPC. They do nothing but annoy you throughout the entire game, and they don't add anything to the plot. I swear, whenever Lyra calls me with some useless chatter, I feel like I wanna slash her head open with a giant knife just to get her to shut up.

2. Let me delete phone numbers. You could do that in the original GSC, so why not here?

3. Change Falkner's and Morty's lineups by giving them different pokemon rather than just stacking the same evolutionary line. Fearow, Dodrio, and Misdreavus exist for a reason.

4. I agree that Leaf should've appeared SOMEWHERE. I mean, if they can put Cynthia in some random house in Undella Town for no apparent reason, then why can't they make Leaf some sort of bonus boss?

5. The PC box system sucks. It wasn't broken in DPPt, so why "fix" it here?

6. Bring back Kris. Lyra looks like a 5 year old trying to look like Mario.

7. Your mom using your money to buy stuff. TBH, it's not as bad as in the originals (where the stuff she bought was completely useless), but it's still annoying.

8. Why do the Team Rocket admins still suck so much? Couldn't they at least give them decent teams for the final battles against them? They did it with Cyrus, so why not here?

lacella November 22nd, 2011 11:48 PM

oh god, the useless phone calls.

I HATE YOU, JOEY. I HATE YOU AND YOUR RATTATA.

)';

waiting for the safari zone items etc. - i don't know, the whole safari zone thing is kind of annoying.

no other complaints though, overall an awesome game so far!


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