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Purpose of Member Fan Clubs
I realize everybody's use to Visitor Messaging by now, but I wish to point out some problems...
As an older member, it's not that fun to just butt into kiddy convos on the forum. There's just too much conflict of interests, it just doesn't work. Hence what's left of PC for people like me is the likes of Visitor Messaging. It's painstakingly hard to find an actual thread to post in. Nothing wrong with Visitor Messaging, but it's not a forum discussion that's going on. Other people can't naturally join in, our themes can't contribute to the discussion environment... it's just not posting as it should be. I'm asking for the sake of older members who still want to have fun actually posting to bring back Member Fan Clubs to PC. Doesn't hurt to bring back that forum does it? I want it be left open for people who want to use it to use it, now and in the future of PC when there'll be bigger and bigger generation gaps. |
Wasn't the reason for it being taken down was that people were feeling left out/unpopular if they didn't get one? Or was it just because it was considered fairly spammy with the increasing popularity of VMs idk.
But I'd like 'em back tbh. Didn't really get around to enjoying them while they existed, which is a sad thing. They seemed fun. |
Member fanclubs were becoming inactive and only about 2-3 were posted in often enough before they were closed. Even so, only six were posted in during the last month of its existence and unless there was lots of interest shown now I don't see them returning. Yes, there are other forums which are more inactive, but there's also the fact that the vm system really does cover that as mentioned, whereas other forums don't really have a whole system for activity to locate to.
But yeah, to be honest, with the amount of DCC's in every section (back in the past there weren't nearly as many DCCs, now I think there's at least 6 or so), that also makes up for this too, imo. Since even OC's allows anyone to jump in the conversation at any time, and it doesn't necessarily have to be "how was your day?" because you can discover that from the actual vms. You've also got OVP/C&M/etc for the non-Pokemon discussions, too, so I see it pretty much completely covered. Really in the past there were a lot less discussion threads too in general from what I noticed, whereas now they are a lot more common. I'm by no means against member fanclubs, though, they just seem somewhat redundant when you compare how the forum has changed from when they were around to now. |
Yes it became unpopular, but it doesn't hurt leaving it as an option for those who still want to use it. The fact is VMing isn't the same as forum discussion after all.
We have a long history with Member Fan Clubs, it shouldn't be bad to give it more credit and leave it available. |
I wasn't around when Member Fanclubs were a happy-funtime place, but I don't like the reasons for bringing them back. It's essentially talking off-topic in a club which you may be friends with a person and find new friends because of a mutual interest or whatever. The biggest thing which I don't like is that it can bring in some form of sucking up to other members which may be more likeable than others. It may not seem like a well-reasoned argument but yeah I really don't know what I'm talking about. I'm not really for bringing them back, since they would be off-topic chats about nothing, which really does belong in the Daily Chit Chat thread.
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They always seemed somewhat spammy in nature as well as cliquey. I wouldn't be for them coming back at all. They're not the same as VMing, no, but the basic point of talking to the member is still there and forums move on with such additions after al. Always going to be things added (like blogs) and dropped (like that section and social groups). |
I'm going to throw in my support for them as well. Granted, I wasn't around for them, I think they were long before my time, but I've heard a lot about them and I think they sounded like a lot of fun. I think if there was a reason for something to exist once, there's reason for it to exist again.
If it fails it fails, but how will we know unless we try? |
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There's just no point in having a section with 2 or 3 active threads for the purpose of being a fan club. That's about it.
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Btw, in view conversation mode you can't see the pretty profiles, only small avatars. Don't you think that minimizes the experience? On the other hand, viewing a thread conversation everything is there. Quote:
Member Fan Clubs deserves more credit than PC gives to it right now. With new members everyday, who knows what will happen ? Let them have a choice whether to use Member Fan Clubs or not. |
I'll be honest, those are the points which I feel means they don't need it. They really were a spamfest back in the day. There'd still be the rules about spamming whatever if it's not relevant to the thread though, like if A fanclub about me was made, and we were talking about how much I like Boldore and that doesn't interest you, you wouldn't be allowed to waltz in and change the topic either.
As for your posting thing, I do feel like it's a nice way to make friends and stuff through a mutual friendship; I've even done it with people in the past. I'd also have no problem with this coming back either, so long as post count was banned there. I still don't totally agree with the idea, but I wouldn't turn a blind eye to it. |
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To put it into some kind of perspective, the entire h-staff agreed (which doesn't happen often!) with removing member fan clubs for all the reasons stated, so even if one of us were to humor the idea, it'd probably be turned down nearly immediately. The three major reasons being: the section was pretty dead and there were only eight active threads there for months, VMs, and they weren't what they used to be. They became huge spam pits and personal admiration threads for pretty much everyone.
I can understand why you and some other longterm members would want them back, since they were very big back in the day, but we can't hold onto things and keep them around because they were big back in the day. There'd be no progression if we used that for making community decisions. VMs replaced them. It's really as simple as that. If you want to use what Member Fan Clubs was for, just host it all on their VMs. People post messages to each other expressing something about the person's VMs they're posting on all the time these days. Also, there's not enough need or interest in reinstating them enough for putting them back. We wouldn't create a forum in the first place unless those things were there, and they aren't. |
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That's not all! I wasn't just saying it was once big and wonderful. I am comparing VMing and posting - and I prefer posting, so I want more posting options. Well I'll agree with your last point... nobody still left on PC right now seems to really care but me. :P But it can't hurt to leave the option open can it? Try opening MFC again for a month or so, see if things change. It's not bad to experiment. |
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And I'm sorry, but a forum which only got 55 posts in a month (not even two a day, and most of them from the same small group of regulars) and had only seen one new thread created in 4 months is not really worth keeping. If a TV show was only being watched by 10,000 people, I know those few people would miss it, but the station would figure that it's not worth keeping at all. And that's what we did, I'm sorry. 99% of the posts made in those forums are just "Hey what's up", "Happy birthday!" or "Hey, what do you think about lettuce?" and that can effortlessly be asked on VM's- in fact, that's what everybody did once they were introduced, and that's the main reason for MF's downfall. And, in some way, VM's are more open for everybody and easier to use so I'll stay with them. |
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We're not going to be bringing back personal spam pits. Either deal with that, or I humbly direct you to the log-out button in the top-right hand corner of your screen. |
Normally I'd be open to bringing stuff back but the Member Fanclubs were just awful, awful things.
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At the same time, if PC still really truly interests you then I'd bet you could find other topics to post in. Hang around OVP more, or game areas, etc. If you get into it enough then some other aspects can make up for member fanclubs being gone. And I'm sorry if I ignored other posts / points in this thread, I'm about to leave for work. Rushed! D: |
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I know, and I totally get that. I do. But to bring back member fan clubs so many things need to happen other than you just preferring posting to VMs, which is what my last point was mainly about. There needs to be a demand and sufficient need for it other than just preferring one to the other. |
I agree with Nick and Jake here, the bottom line is PC can't simply open up sections for a tiny minority of members. The decision to abolish the section in the past was not based on a whim. It simply ran its course and no longer found a place on the forum; it simply became outdated and it became a section that was simply a haven to a few members.
I understand that you may feel hard done by, but you can't point fingers and say the section was taken down by carelessness. If we were to create a section for a very small base of members, then it would be quite subjective as it would mean sections would need to be created for any small group of members who decided they wanted one. Member Fan Clubs simply ran its course and became an inactive section in which became an inactive sub forum with very little activity. Bringing it back would only lead to the same end result. If you wish to find a place for all your friends to chat, well, it's the internet, your options are endless. You could even set up your own irc channel for your PC pals. But basically; a section cannot simply exist if it has little or no activity and a very small demand to actually exist. |
i thought this said "propose to a member" and i was like IM ALL OVER THAT. then i got let down.
I miss Member fanclubs solely because I had one that my friends could spam and we could have great fun in togetherness. But it was just that. Spam. Sooo, I'm not really upset at all that they were taken down. VMs are basically the same thing, if not more convenient. Yeah it's a bit harder to have a conversation with a lot of people, but having VMs defeats the purpose of a member fanclub. |
Mmmhmm.
I met my first friends here thanks to member fanclubs existing, because I had one, ran one, and participated in a few more. Though, it was organized chaos, and well.. spam, like Igiko said. The purpose of that area was to create a way to meet people, and chit-chat. These days the same can be done through VMs, and if you wanna talk to more than one person at time and group chat, that's why so many people go ahead and add PC friends on messenger clients.. |
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Oh, and to clarify again, logging out is what I'm trying to avoid hence why I made the effort of making this thread in the first place. Quote:
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Thing is most people who replied called MFC spam but I treated it differently. For example, take a glimsp the 2 most recent MFCs I took big part pf: http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=200120 http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=133478 ^ You can't actually call that spam right? I was earnest trying to get trying to make fun threads. Quote:
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o_O I'm talking out of concern for a more fun forum, private solutions IRC are besides the point. Quote:
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=200120 http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=133478 Quote:
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IRC is open to anyone that knows how to log on, by either clicking the chat button or going to Mibbit and logging on that way. You could even put it into your signature "If you're a fan of X member, join #IloveX" or whatever it is you want clubs back for. There are also 7 Chit-Chat threads (Trade Corner, Competitive Battling Center, Challenges, Pokemon General, Art Gallery, Culture & Media, and OC), and various other threads that aren't chit-chat but you can still meet people through based on your interests. If after all those options you still can't find one thing that interests you, I hate to say that it might not be a problem with the site. :x
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Just because you didn't treat them as spam parties, doesn't mean everyone else didn't either.
I know I did, lolz. |
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Yes I know what you mean, hence why my idea isn't popular ~_~ Quote:
Well MFC would be a nice option. |
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