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Cordelia January 8th, 2012 8:04 PM

I wouldn't bother trading if there wasn't cloning, honestly. I don't want to lose my hard work. I have my mons as non-redis to avoid them popping up like wildfire everywhere... but to each his own.

~Mac... out

sanshroo January 8th, 2012 8:08 PM

Yeah, I think I'm going to start a list of trainers I trade with and a short description of each to prevent people from cloning mine. I don't mind if people redistribute though.

Cordelia January 8th, 2012 8:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanshroo (Post 7002234)
Yeah, I think I'm going to start a list of trainers I trade with and a short description of each to prevent people from cloning mine. I don't mind if people redistribute though.

I wouldn't redistribute, because then I'd lose the 'mon in a world without cloning.

Raichupacabra January 8th, 2012 8:38 PM

I feel like such a noob when I come on. All you guys know each other and talk about RNG (which I suck at :P) and I'm like "what?"

Also since I have school starting tomorrow I only could be on during weekends. Maybe weekdays if I get my homework done early.

~Selene~ January 8th, 2012 8:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raichupacabra (Post 7002254)
I feel like such a noob when I come on. All you guys know each other and talk about RNG (which I suck at :P) and I'm like "what?"

Also since I have school starting tomorrow I only could be on during weekends. Maybe weekdays if I get my homework done early.

Don't feel like a noob look on the bright side your bound to know more people here than me :3 *waves* Also you should join the chatroom :3

As for RNG I'm still learning myself so keep at it ^.^ Good luck at school.

I officially cannot capture RNG I have tried for 6 hours straight :(

Keiran January 8th, 2012 10:38 PM

Mewtwo cloned Pokemon first. The Pokemon Company *must* be okay with it!

sanshroo January 8th, 2012 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keiran777 (Post 7002325)
Mewtwo cloned Pokemon first. The Pokemon Company *must* be okay with it!

Mewtwo was also the bad guy...

:unsure:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7002241)
I wouldn't redistribute, because then I'd lose the 'mon in a world without cloning.

Right, but if the prize you were receiving was equally valuable, then surely the trade must go on, right?

PokéSwimmer January 8th, 2012 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanshroo (Post 7002353)
Mewtwo was also the bad guy...

:unsure:


Right, but if the prize you were receiving was equally valuable, then surely the trade must go on, right?

Another way to look at it is that cloning provides "insurance" against scamming, so in the event you do get scammed (which likely has happened to pretty much everyone who has traded for long enough), you don't lose a Pokémon that you worked hard to breed, catch, or trade for.

johnny18 January 8th, 2012 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanshroo (Post 7002353)
Right, but if the prize you were receiving was equally valuable, then surely the trade must go on, right?

I try to stay out of this but I guess I cannot
The trade cannot go on as there is no way a trader and collector like us can keep it. Think about it, if I am a collector and have a shiny Ho-Oh, you have a mewtwo, I want your mewtwo and you want my shiny Ho-Oh and I want to keep the shiny Ho-Oh but also trade it to get your mewtwo, what should I do? I have to clone it because there is no point in losing my shiny Ho-Oh just to have your Mewtwo. That is just not how collecting pokemon works. what you said may be true but it can only apply to those who only want to finish their pokedex, not collecting pokemons. I hope it makes sense to you.

sanshroo January 9th, 2012 12:20 AM

Ugh >.>

Did you guys not watch pokemon 2000?

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0808/lawrence-iii-demotivational-poster-1218872672.jpg

You guys are like what happens when lawrence and mewtwo sit down for a cup of tea.

Mewtwo:
"Oh, what's that? You've got a zapdos? Nice trophy, there."

Lawrence:
"Yes, quite. It cost many... Other people their lives and homes to get it!"

Mewtwo:
"Is that so? Here, let me throw it into my blob machine, I'll make you a dozen!"

Lawrence:
"You don't say! Gladly, go right ahead!"

Then Lawrence promptly replaces all the propellers on his flying fortress with tethered zapdos clones. Fun times.

Perriechu January 9th, 2012 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanshroo (Post 7002430)

Because Pokemon 2000 has any influence on our decision of cloning Pokemon? :x We're going to continue cloning our Pokemon like it or not.

sanshroo January 9th, 2012 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonomega (Post 7002436)


Because Pokemon 2000 has any influence on our decision of cloning Pokemon? :x We're going to continue cloning our Pokemon like it or not.

Well yeah, actually. The creator of a franchise has a certain amount of influence on it's fan base.

I think you guys just aren't hardcore enough.

Keiran January 9th, 2012 1:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanshroo (Post 7002430)
Ugh >.>

Mewtwo:
"Oh, what's that? You've got a zapdos? Nice trophy, there."

What do you think event Pokemon are? Do you think Nintendo or other companies catch a single Pokemon over and over? That must be why it's taking them over 2 months to release Arceus! :p

And what's the point of us rnging the same Pokemon over and over? The end result is the same thing. Also, that would make it impossible for me, for example, to distribute one-time event Pokemon like DW starters because they cannot be bred.

I understand where you're coming from, though, but each Pokemon is nothing more than values in a .pkm file. While I wish each individual Pokemon was unique it's just not so, even their "personality" is determined by a number.

sanshroo January 9th, 2012 2:23 AM

[Rant mode]=ON

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keiran777 (Post 7002474)
What do you think event Pokemon are? Do you think Nintendo or other companies catch a single Pokemon over and over? That must be why it's taking them over 2 months to release Arceus! :p

That's different. Those are officially licensed Nintendo products. They made the game, you're just some punk with a $15 third party device. You know the "nintendo seal of quality" thing? Well I'm sure it could easily be forged, but what does that make you? Just some guy with too much time and some arts and crafts skills.

Quote:

Also, that would make it impossible for me, for example, to distribute one-time event Pokemon like DW starters because they cannot be bred.
But an event's rarity is what makes it valuable. Fair trade states that when an exchange occurs an item of equal or greater value must be given up. When you duplicate an item it's value is cut in half. Do this enough and any mathematician will tell you that the value of the item in question is essentially 0, so when you trade a cloned pokemon you are the one scamming them. When you trade cloned pokemon for cloned pokemon, you're basically wasting your time in my opinion.

Quote:

And what's the point of us rnging the same Pokemon over and over? The end result is the same thing.
When you RNG do you do it on the same day, hour, minute, second, and with the same exact frame, and seed? No. Even two pokemon that are the same species and basically the same setup will have different PIDs. It's all about the process.

Quote:

I understand where you're coming from, though, but each Pokemon is nothing more than values in a .pkm file. While I wish each individual Pokemon was unique it's just not so, even their "personality" is determined by a number.
This one I had to think about. I've been thinking mostly about this one part, in fact. See, Nintendo is a company. In case you haven't been following along with the times companies are basically ruining the human race.

Now, in that air of competitiveness and this environment of fast paced child centered marketing nintendo still finds time to include moral building, family oriented gameplay into their games, especially pokemon.

Do you think that they make money by doing this? Do you think that's efficient? Hell no. But you know what? It teaches kids that bad guys steal, friends are more valuable than power, and that animal abuse isn't cool. Meanwhile, you and people like you are telling kids that get on the internet that cheating is fun, value is nonexistant, and that animals don't have souls. That's right, animals don't feel. They are after all the real life equivalent of pokemon. That might sound silly to you, but for a kid they are one in the same.

I swear to you that I wouldn't be the person I am today without nintendo. They seeded my creativity at a young age. They taught me that fungi are cool, and sometimes dangerous. They taught me the meaning of value in a low income household where my meals depended on how lucky my parents got at the local casino. My brother dabbles in the black market. My sister is a stay-at-home housewife. My other brother doesn't know the meaning of meta cognition and my little sister is your stereotypical brainwashed "Buy me this" daughter. The difference between me and them? I got a SNES and Super mario world 3 for my 7th birthday.

When you hate on nintendo's code, it becomes personal, so don't give me that ".pkm" bull.

/IMHO
/rant

johnny18 January 9th, 2012 3:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanshroo (Post 7002508)
[Rant mode]=ON


That's different. Those are officially licensed Nintendo products. They made the game, you're just some punk with a $15 third party device. You know the "nintendo seal of quality" thing? Well I'm sure it could easily be forged, but what does that make you? A loser with no life and some arts and crafts skills.

But an event's rarity is what makes it valuable. Fair trade states that when an exchange occurs an item of equal or greater value must be given up. When you duplicate an item it's value is cut in half. Do this enough and any mathematician will tell you that the value of the item in question is essentially 0, so when you trade a cloned pokemon you are the one scamming them. When you trade cloned pokemon for cloned pokemon, you're basically wasting your time.

When you RNG do you do it on the same day, hour, minute, second, and with the same exact frame, and seed? No. Even two pokemon that are the same species and basically the same setup will have different PIDs. If you understood and appreciated the process then you'd understand that.

This one I had to think about. I've been thinking mostly about this one part, in fact. See, Nintendo is a company. In case you haven't been following along with the times companies are basically ruining the human race.

Now, in that air of competitiveness and this environment of fast paced child centered marketing nintendo still finds time to include moral building, family oriented gameplay into their games, especially pokemon.

Do you think that they make money by doing this? Do you think that's efficient? Hell no. But you know what? It teaches kids that bad guys steal, friends are more valuable than power, and that animal abuse isn't cool. Meanwhile, you and people like you are telling kids that get on the internet that cheating is fun, value is nonexistant, and that animals don't have souls. That's right, animals don't feel. They are after all the real life equivalent of pokemon. That might sound silly to you, but for a kid they are one in the same.

I swear to you that I wouldn't be the person I am today without nintendo. They seeded my creativity at a young age. They taught me that fungi are cool, and sometimes dangerous. They taught me the meaning of value in a low income household where my meals depended on how lucky my parents got at the local casino. My brother dabbles in the black market. My sister is a stay-at-home housewife. My other brother doesn't know the meaning of meta cognition and my little sister is your stereotypical brainwashed "Buy me this" daughter. The difference between me and them? I got a SNES and Super mario world 3 for my 7th birthday.

When you hate on nintendo's code, it becomes personal, so don't give me that ".pkm" bull.

/rant

Sanshroo, I could not find any reason to continue this discussion. If you think cloning is hacking, just avoid trading with people who do clone their pokemons, okay?

Question: I need someone to teach me how to RNG in Entralink please ;)

Gonzo January 9th, 2012 3:12 AM

JOhnny, Entralink abuse is basically the same as IV Gen abuse. Check Sephirona's guide on Smogon for information about the differences. Good luck with that!

vaporeon7 January 9th, 2012 3:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanshroo (Post 7002508)
When you RNG do you do it on the same day, hour, minute, second, and with the same exact frame, and seed? No. Even two pokemon that are the same species and basically the same setup will have different PIDs. It's all about the process.

That is exactly what you do when you RNG Pokémon. It is pointless if you find the perfect frame, time, etc and then do it once and then go find another to do it again to find the exact same Pokémon.

Melinda January 9th, 2012 4:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanshroo (Post 7002508)

When you RNG do you do it on the same day, hour, minute, second, and with the same exact frame, and seed? No. Even two pokemon that are the same species and basically the same setup will have different PIDs. It's all about the process.

Sounds to me like you don't know what RNG actually is. It doesn't matter what the species is the Pokemon can still have the same PID by reuse of the same seed. I.E. same date, hour, minute, second, and frame.

If you don't like cloning so much why don't you go somewhere else where there is no cloning. Instead of whining about it to us.

Musica January 9th, 2012 5:31 AM

I tried RNG abuse again and sucked. Must be because I stopped playing Pokemon. I loved HG/SS, and disliked B/W. I guess B/W made me stop trading/battling/training my 'mons.

Cordelia January 9th, 2012 6:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musica (Post 7002631)
I tried RNG abuse again and sucked. Must be because I stopped playing Pokemon. I loved HG/SS, and disliked B/W. I guess B/W made me stop trading/battling/training my 'mons.

Have you tried using Blade's guide? Also, is this for 4th or 5th gen abuse?

Gonzo January 9th, 2012 6:42 AM

Mac, Musica was RNGing before you knew what RNG is XD

Musica, fingers crossed! I hope you'll be back soon. I miss our epic battles :)

Melinda January 9th, 2012 6:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musica (Post 7002631)
I tried RNG abuse again and sucked. Must be because I stopped playing Pokemon. I loved HG/SS, and disliked B/W. I guess B/W made me stop trading/battling/training my 'mons.

Yay! I hope you come back! :D
I miss your 'mons. BD

SS01 January 9th, 2012 1:05 PM

Hey, this is probably gonna sound noobish, but is there
a way to clear overworld weather effects in gen 5?
because i want to rng myself a good iv'd ditto, but sweet scent fails
because of the fog.

Cordelia January 9th, 2012 1:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShinySearcher01 (Post 7003045)
Hey, this is probably gonna sound noobish, but is there
a way to clear overworld weather effects in gen 5?
because i want to rng myself a good iv'd ditto, but sweet scent fails
because of the fog.

Change to a month ahead on your DS, fight a battle... then save. Change back to the right month for your seed and start game... no weather. Have to do this on each try.

SS01 January 9th, 2012 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7003051)
Change to a month ahead on your DS, fight a battle... then save. Change back to the right month for your seed and start game... no weather. Have to do this on each try.

Okay, Thanks. Also means i'll be able to do them on route 4 to get
sandile, krookodile being one of my favorite shinies. Once i learn how to
RNG shinies, that is.

TwilightBlade January 9th, 2012 1:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twistedpuppy (Post 7002213)
I'm sorry you feel the way do sanshroo. Here in Trade Corner we in by no means encourage hacking. We have many rules in place to prevent it and offer hack checking to help traders weed hacks out themselves. As for your beliefs about cloning, I fully understand them, but we do not consider it to be hacking. If you would like to know what we consider hacking or not, I suggest you read our FAQ in the Trade Corner Rules. It'll provide you with the necessary information as to what we consider here to be legal and illegal.

Now let's keep this place civil everyone.

Just quoting to reiterate Trade Corner staff's position on this. ^-^

We know there are many gray areas in the realm of Pokemon trading. We strive to enforce rules that the majority will be okay with. We do listen and try to find common ground with those who do not feel equally represented. For example, traders are free to place restrictions (e.g. no cloned Pokemon, do not re-trade or clone Pokemon, etc) and we'll do our best to back up those rights. We punish those who intentionally do not agree to and/or not fulfill the terms of the trade.

The trade rules also asks that traders mention if they're using cloning, AR codes, flash cart, etc. If one don't agree with the shop's practices, one shouldn't make trades there.

If you have issues or concerns about our regulations, you can always contact Trade Corner staff or try contacting higher staff. If you're not getting the same interpretation as we meant when we typed the rules, ask us to clarify.

One may discuss one's own views on various elements of trading here. However, global rules mandate that no one can insult other members. Insults will weaken any argument.

This section is for discussing Pokemon Wi-Fi trading only. Implications about the procedures here do not extend to outer society / child rearing.

Late, but this applies to everyone (even those still lurking!). Have fun and ease up, guys and gals. Happy trading.

Melinda January 9th, 2012 4:38 PM

Woooooooooooooooooo!
Back from Jury Duty and ready to RNG some Pokémon!
:P Selene suggested Chimecho so I'll probably do that first.
What else should I breed/capture?

~Selene~ January 9th, 2012 8:43 PM

Huge thank you to everyone in the TC IRC for helping me <3 Especially Mac for walking me through what I was doing wrong. Here is the result <3

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/187.gif
#187 Hoppip
OT: Lunar | ID No.: 07206 | Gender:
Nature: Timid | Ability: Leaf Guard | Type: Grass|Flying
Hatch Location: Skyarrow Bridge | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: Splash
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31

johnny18 January 9th, 2012 9:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Selene~ (Post 7003475)
Huge thank you to everyone in the TC IRC for helping me <3 Especially Mac for walking me through what I was doing wrong. Here is the result <3

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/187.gif
#187 Hoppip
OT: Lunar | ID No.: 07206 | Gender:
Nature: Timid | Ability: Leaf Guard | Type: Grass|Flying
Hatch Location: Skyarrow Bridge | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: Splash
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31

Congrats. I hope it will be a normal one though :P

Melinda January 9th, 2012 9:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Selene~ (Post 7003475)
Huge thank you to everyone in the TC IRC for helping me <3 Especially Mac for walking me through what I was doing wrong. Here is the result <3

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/187.gif
#187 Hoppip
OT: Lunar | ID No.: 07206 | Gender:
Nature: Timid | Ability: Leaf Guard | Type: Grass|Flying
Hatch Location: Skyarrow Bridge | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: Splash
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31

Congrats Selene! <33333333
I love Hoppip!! ^_^

~Selene~ January 9th, 2012 9:10 PM

Johnny I will RNG a normal one just for you <3
thanks Mia <333333333333333333 shiny jumpluff is just soo adorable :3

Gonzo January 10th, 2012 12:43 AM

Selene, Awesome breed! I hope you'll get more good mons!
Miakalina, you should get a nice, shiny Stunfisk :3

johnny18 January 10th, 2012 2:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Selene~ (Post 7003498)
Johnny I will RNG a normal one just for you <3

Thanks for a thousand years ;)

SS01 January 10th, 2012 4:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Selene~ (Post 7003475)

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/187.gif
#187 Hoppip
OT: Lunar | ID No.: 07206 | Gender:
Nature: Timid | Ability: Leaf Guard | Type: Grass|Flying
Hatch Location: Skyarrow Bridge | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: Splash
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31

Very late congrats Selene!

Now i just need someone to teach me how to do that...

Musica January 10th, 2012 4:57 AM

@Shiny, you really should have tried 4th Gen RNG abuse first. It was a bit more complicated than what you can do now on 5th Gen. However, 4th Gen results tend to be MORE ACCURATE and PRECISE than what you can get on 5th gen.

@mia and gonzo
Yep, I'll be back when I have a lot of time. Graduating this year and it's a hassle -______________________-

Gonzo January 10th, 2012 6:00 AM

IV Gen RNG > V Gen RNG. I wish DW abilities were in DPPtHGSS TT_TT

and great news, Musica! I hope you'll pass finals very well!

Cordelia January 10th, 2012 6:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musica (Post 7003735)
@Shiny, you really should have tried 4th Gen RNG abuse first. It was a bit more complicated than what you can do now on 5th Gen. However, 4th Gen results tend to be MORE ACCURATE and PRECISE than what you can get on 5th gen.

@mia and gonzo
Yep, I'll be back when I have a lot of time. Graduating this year and it's a hassle -______________________-

I do agree that 4th gen results do tend to be more accurate because you know when you've hit your seed exactly. You don't have timer0 being an annoying troll. ^^

miakalina January 10th, 2012 10:29 AM

Gen 4 is fun because it was challenging. Gen 5 is fun because its faster. :3
I love all the gens. :D

Perriechu January 10th, 2012 11:17 AM

So, like yesterday my Mum brought in Pokemon White Version from work. :P RNG'ING ON THAT GAME IS SO MUCH EASIER THAN BLACK OMG DON'T ASK HOW IT JUST IS OK. I finally got my shiny Volcarona. :D OPENING MY SHOP IN THE NEXT 2 DAYS OR SO.

greg0915 January 10th, 2012 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonomega (Post 7003969)
So, like yesterday my Mum brought in Pokemon White Version from work. :P RNG'ING ON THAT GAME IS SO MUCH EASIER THAN BLACK OMG DON'T ASK HOW IT JUST IS OK. I finally got my shiny Volcarona. :D OPENING MY SHOP IN THE NEXT 2 DAYS OR SO.

That's great to hear!!! I know what you mean. I'm looking forward to seeing your stock :)

miakalina January 10th, 2012 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonomega (Post 7003969)
So, like yesterday my Mum brought in Pokemon White Version from work. :P RNG'ING ON THAT GAME IS SO MUCH EASIER THAN BLACK OMG DON'T ASK HOW IT JUST IS OK. I finally got my shiny Volcarona. :D OPENING MY SHOP IN THE NEXT 2 DAYS OR SO.

Awesome! :D
It is flawless or HP something?

Perriechu January 10th, 2012 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 072806082508092507 (Post 7003981)

Awesome! :D
It is flawless or HP something?

:D
Hidden Power Rock :3 So, the spread for that, which Idr. :x

Gonzo January 10th, 2012 1:25 PM

@ Dragonomega - kewl! Glad to hear that

I got my French Diamond and I'm RNGing ID/SID for shiniez
Code:

  ability    HP    ATK    DEF    SATK    SDEF    SPD    Hidden Powah
BOLD        1        31        4        31        30        31        30        Fire 68
MODEST        0        31        17        30        30        31        31        Grass 68
TIMID        1        31        4        31        30        31        30        Fire 68
TIMID        0        31        17        30        30        31        31        Grass 68


Can't wait to see Cress and Heatran <3

Jolteon* January 10th, 2012 2:28 PM

Finally got coballion. I feel like suck a n00b for using master ball, but it depleted my stock of 8 luxury balls, 4 heal balls, 1 poke ball, 2 great balls, 4 ultra balls, and i was on my last pokemon (lv 22 chatot) and i was on the way to school and didnt have the patience to wait till i got home to reset, so i got beasted by it and used a master ball

Melinda January 10th, 2012 2:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolteon* (Post 7004183)
Finally got coballion. I feel like suck a n00b for using master ball, but it depleted my stock of 8 luxury balls, 4 heal balls, 1 poke ball, 2 great balls, 4 ultra balls, and i was on my last pokemon (lv 22 chatot) and i was on the way to school and didnt have the patience to wait till i got home to reset, so i got beasted by it and used a master ball

Grats! ^_^
I'm lagging on my Chimecho. x\

Jolteon* January 10th, 2012 2:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miakalina (Post 7004194)

Grats! ^_^
I'm lagging on my Chimecho. x\

Thanks. :D What chimecho?

SS01 January 10th, 2012 2:52 PM

My first decent (well sorta) RNG:


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/247.gif
Rash|31|31|30|10|30|14|HP Fighting 70
Thrash|Dark Pulse|Payback|Crunch
http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/015.png

Melinda January 10th, 2012 3:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolteon* (Post 7004200)
Thanks. :D What chimecho?

I'm breeding Chimecho.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShinySearcher01 (Post 7004209)
My first decent (well sorta) RNG:


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/247.gif
Rash|31|31|30|10|30|14|HP Fighting 70
Thrash|Dark Pulse|Payback|Crunch
http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/015.png

Try flawless captures. :P

greg0915 January 10th, 2012 3:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolteon* (Post 7004183)
Finally got coballion. I feel like suck a n00b for using master ball, but it depleted my stock of 8 luxury balls, 4 heal balls, 1 poke ball, 2 great balls, 4 ultra balls, and i was on my last pokemon (lv 22 chatot) and i was on the way to school and didnt have the patience to wait till i got home to reset, so i got beasted by it and used a master ball

Congratz! I was after a shiny HP Ice Cobalion but i got bored of searching for seeds so went for Jolly =P

Jolteon* January 10th, 2012 4:51 PM

And another more hassle-free one! :D (btw every one of my rngs is for trade in my trade thread!)

Gonzo January 10th, 2012 4:55 PM

I successfully abused my ID/SID in French Diamond!
Say hello to my new character,
Càmilla
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/33/DP_Dawn.png
ID: 30703
and spreads,
Code:

  ability    HP    ATK    DEF    SATK    SDEF    SPD    Hidden Powah
BOLD        1        31        4        31        30        31        30        Fire 68
MODEST        0        31        17        30        30        31        31        Grass 68
TIMID        1        31        4        31        30        31        30        Fire 68
TIMID        0        31        17        30        30        31        31        Grass 68



Melinda January 10th, 2012 5:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonz0 (Post 7004341)
I successfully abused my ID/SID in French Diamond!
Say hello to my new character,
Càmilla
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/33/DP_Dawn.png
ID: 30703
and spreads,
Code:

  ability    HP    ATK    DEF    SATK    SDEF    SPD    Hidden Powah
BOLD        1        31        4        31        30        31        30        Fire 68
MODEST        0        31        17        30        30        31        31        Grass 68
TIMID        1        31        4        31        30        31        30        Fire 68
TIMID        0        31        17        30        30        31        31        Grass 68



Grats!!! :D
I have a question.
Is the delay for ID/SID abuse on DPPt the same as the delay we get for calibrating or is it completely different like HGSS?
And how do you find seed spreads? o-o

Jolteon* January 10th, 2012 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miakalina (Post 7004232)


I'm breeding Chimecho.


Cool, I've never used one. Are they any good?

Melinda January 10th, 2012 8:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolteon* (Post 7004373)
Cool, I've never used one. Are they any good?

I have no idea. :P
I don't have one though. That's why I'm breeding it. xD

Musica January 11th, 2012 7:43 AM

Yay! I finally got back to RNG abuse >=D

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bw/494.png
National Pokédex Number: 494| Species: Victini
Nickname: Victini | Gender: Genderless
OT: Movie14 | ID: 12031
Nature: Jolly | Characteristic: Capable of Taking Hits | Ability: Victory Star
Individual Values: HP-30 / Atk-30 / Def-31 / Sp. Atk-23 / Sp. Def-31 / Spe-31
Effort Values: 0
Hidden Power Type and Base Power: Dragon 70
Moveset: V-Create / Fusion Flare / Fusion Bolt / Searing Shot

Using this template is so nostalgic...

PS. I suck at using my DS Lite so I decided to use my XL which is EASIER for me. (I have big hands, I press 2-3 buttons at the same time using Lite.. -__-)

Gonzo January 11th, 2012 8:09 AM

Nice RNG, Musica! :D Do moar, moar! :D

greg0915 January 11th, 2012 10:00 AM

My latest RNG and possible my favourite!



http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/healball.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/640.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/healball.png
Virizon Lv.42
OT: George | ID: 22798
Timid | Justified
31/30/30/31/31/31 [HP|Ice]
Helping Hand | Retaliate | Giga Drain | Sacred Sword
Rumination Field | ???-Redis

I'm still unsure on the Redistribution rights, got any ideas?

johnny18 January 11th, 2012 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg0915 (Post 7005074)
My latest RNG and possible my favourite!



http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/healball.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/640.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/healball.png
Virizon Lv.42
OT: George | ID: 22798
Timid | Justified
31/30/30/31/31/31 [HP|Ice]
Helping Hand | Retaliate | Giga Drain | Sacred Sword
Rumination Field | ???-Redis

I'm still unsure on the Redistribution rights, got any ideas?

Non-Redis as everything about this is just perfect ;)

miakalina January 11th, 2012 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg0915 (Post 7005074)
My latest RNG and possible my favourite!



http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/healball.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/640.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/healball.png
Virizon Lv.42
OT: George | ID: 22798
Timid | Justified
31/30/30/31/31/31 [HP|Ice]
Helping Hand | Retaliate | Giga Drain | Sacred Sword
Rumination Field | ???-Redis

I'm still unsure on the Redistribution rights, got any ideas?

I agree. Non-redis.

Grats to you and Musica! :D

Jolteon* January 11th, 2012 2:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg0915 (Post 7005074)
My latest RNG and possible my favourite!



http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/healball.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/640.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/healball.png
Virizon Lv.42
OT: George | ID: 22798
Timid | Justified
31/30/30/31/31/31 [HP|Ice]
Helping Hand | Retaliate | Giga Drain | Sacred Sword
Rumination Field | ???-Redis

I'm still unsure on the Redistribution rights, got any ideas?

Thats odd, i just rngd this one

http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/diveball.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/640.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/diveball.png
Virizon
Timid | 30/30/30/31/31/31 [HP|Ice]
EVs: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0
Helping Hand, Retaliate, Giga Drain, Sacred Sword
Justified
Nathan | 08484

greg0915 January 11th, 2012 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolteon* (Post 7005316)
Thats odd, i just rngd this one

http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/diveball.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/640.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/diveball.png
Virizon
Timid | 30/30/30/31/31/31 [HP|Ice]
EVs: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0
Helping Hand, Retaliate, Giga Drain, Sacred Sword
Justified
Nathan | 08484

lol mines got 1 better HP >:)

Jolteon* January 11th, 2012 3:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg0915 (Post 7005319)
lol mines got 1 better HP >:)

Well mines got 1 less hp :P

twistedpuppy January 11th, 2012 3:18 PM

Pink Virizons? I'm in heaven. Breed me moar pink mons!

Pokemon Game Fan January 11th, 2012 4:15 PM

I hatched my first RNG! After two and a half freakin' weeks of learning to RNG, first 4th Gen ended up being a fail, so I went on to 5th gen, and after 4-5 days learning and trying, I FINALLY hatched my first RNG! :)

Say hello to:

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/633.gif

Deino Lv. 1 http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png
Nature: Modest
Ability: Hustle
Move set: Tackle | Dragon Rage | Dark Pulse
Stats: 12 | 5 | 6 | 6| 6 | 6
IVs: 31 | 24 | 31 | 31 | 31 | 31
EVs: 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0
OT: Adam | ID: 04978

TwilightBlade January 11th, 2012 4:42 PM

Challenge: Breed/Catch Pink Pokémon

Welcome and congrats to all new RNG abusers! Nice new breeds and captures!
Now, who wants to take on the challenge? :D

Cordelia January 11th, 2012 5:22 PM

Blade, I accept your challenge.

Squirrel January 11th, 2012 5:32 PM

Challenge accepted. Challenge won. Caught a non-shiny Clefairy from that stupid icy Giant Chasm place with flawless IVs, Modest nature... I don't know what else people normally include here, but yay! Oh, and heal ball to add to the pinkness <3

(I wasn't actually aware of this challenge, but hooray for coincidences!)

Jolteon* January 11th, 2012 5:36 PM

Was gonna accept challenge...realized my chatot is in my black version :'(
...


and then i took an arrow to the knee BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH LOŁ

miakalina January 11th, 2012 7:34 PM

Challenge accepted! 8D


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/572.gifhttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/014.png
Minccino ♀ Lv. 32 [Aubrey | 53357]
Adamant | Cute Charm | 31 31 31 0 30 31
Sing, Tail Whip, Charm, Wake-Up Slap

Cordelia January 11th, 2012 10:11 PM

Challenge defeated! ;)

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bw/173.png
Cleffa ♀ Lv. 1
OT: Mac | ID: 36152
Nature: Calm
Ability: Magic Guard
IVs: 31, 31, 31, 31, 31, 31
Moves: Present, Wish, Trick, Gravity
Non-Redis

Melinda January 11th, 2012 11:35 PM

Since I'm done with the pink challenge I went and finally got my Oshawott starter. :P

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/pks/501.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/93/Bag_Pok%C3%A9_Ball_Sprite.png
Venus ♀ Lv. 5 [Kaylan | 11407]
Mild || Torrent || 31, 31, 31, 31, 31, 31
Tackle, Tail Whip
NON-REDIS

Keiran January 11th, 2012 11:58 PM

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/102.gifhttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/576.png
Exeggcute/Bold/♀/Harvest
31/30/30/31/31/31 HP Ice 70
Uproar/Hypnosis/Synthesis/Reflect

Musica January 12th, 2012 12:13 AM

Thanks. I'm thinking of restarting my game (White) and catch all legendary 'mons in their shiny form (those that are only ones that can be caught..) However, I'll lose all the ones I have now. I just love the Pink Virizion... Anyone want to give meh a Pokemon Black? D:

Melinda January 12th, 2012 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musica (Post 7005851)
Thanks. I'm thinking of restarting my game (White) and catch all legendary 'mons in their shiny form (those that are only ones that can be caught..) However, I'll lose all the ones I have now. I just love the Pink Virizion... Anyone want to give meh a Pokemon Black? D:

You could always get someone you trust to hold them for you?

Musica January 12th, 2012 1:21 AM

I know I could do that since I have 2 DS's and could just borrow another game, I just have like more than 200 of 'em and it's boring to catch fillers for trade and trade a lot of stuff. >_< I ought to buy Black.

I can now breed, yay!

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bws/577.png
31/31/31/31/31/0
Quiet - Magic Guard

edit:
It has something pink too!

Melinda January 12th, 2012 2:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musica (Post 7005898)
I know I could do that since I have 2 DS's and could just borrow another game, I just have like more than 200 of 'em and it's boring to catch fillers for trade and trade a lot of stuff. >_< I ought to buy Black.

I can now breed, yay!

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bws/577.png
31/31/31/31/31/0
Quiet - Magic Guard

edit:
It has something pink too!

In that case, just get Black. XD
I have a lot too and I wouldn't want to transfer them all. :P

Musica January 12th, 2012 5:58 AM

I'm still thinking of buying a guitar... I hope I get enough cash to buy Black. >_>

Moar RNG breeding.. I love breeding!

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bws/60.png
Bold - Swift Swim
31/22/31/31/31/30

Breed something (that's going to be) PINK!
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bws/186.png

Credits to: Eleken for his DWf Poliwag

Musica January 12th, 2012 7:41 AM

Lol on first try to capture troll-bros

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bw/642.png
Timid - 30/31/30/31/31/31

Melinda January 12th, 2012 8:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musica (Post 7006198)
Lol on first try to capture troll-bros

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bw/642.png
Timid - 30/31/30/31/31/31

Sweet~
How do we get people to post here more? xD
We should have more challenges. They're fun. :D
*hint hint* Blade/Twisted

Cordelia January 12th, 2012 9:43 AM

Just got this:

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bws/575.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f2/Bag_Dive_Ball_Sprite.png
Gothorita ♀ Lv. 33 NN: Sable
OT: Ginny | ID: 51120
Nature: Quiet
Ability: Frisk
IVs: 31, 9, 31, 31, 31, 0
Moves: Psyshock, Flatter, Future Sight, Heal Block
NFT

Melinda January 12th, 2012 9:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7006333)
Just got this:

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bws/575.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f2/Bag_Dive_Ball_Sprite.png
Gothorita ♀ Lv. 33 NN: Sable
OT: Ginny | ID: 51120
Nature: Quiet
Ability: Frisk
IVs: 31, 9, 31, 31, 31, 0
Moves: Psyshock, Flatter, Future Sight, Heal Block
NFT

Yay! I love Goth. :D
<3333333333333

Gonzo January 12th, 2012 9:45 AM

nice one, Mac! Bro, I know you'll give me one, so don't say it's NFT :3

~Selene~ January 12th, 2012 10:45 AM

Challenge Accepted!

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/17/Bag_Heal_Ball_Sprite.pnghttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/anim/035.gifhttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/17/Bag_Heal_Ball_Sprite.png
#035 Clefairy Lv.52
OT: Lunar | ID No.: 07206 | Gender:
Nature: Hasty | Ability: Cute Charm | Type: Normal
Met Location: Giant Chasm | Hidden Power: Psychic 70
Moves: Stored Power|Light Screen|Healing Wish|After You
IVs: 31/31/30/31/31/30


greg0915 January 12th, 2012 10:50 AM

This is my first breed of 2012 :O She also has a special egg move combo that can only be obtained through 4 Gen

http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon/629.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Vullaby ♀ Lv.1
OT: George | ID: 08012
Careful | Overcoat
31, 31, 31, 31, 31, 31
Leer, Roost, Steel Wing, Mean Look
Victory Road | Fully Redis

Cordelia January 12th, 2012 1:22 PM

Decided to go a little unique on my Cobalion:

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bw/638.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f2/Bag_Dive_Ball_Sprite.png
Cobalion Lv. 42
OT: Ginny | ID: 51120
Nature: Naive
Ability: Justified
IVs: 31, 31, 30, 31, 30, 31 HP Ghost
Moves: Helping Hand, Retaliate, Iron Head, Sacred Sword
Non-Redis

Jolteon* January 12th, 2012 2:22 PM

Are there any icelandic pokemon events?

EmbC January 12th, 2012 4:44 PM

New EmbC's RNG :D

Joltik Shiny
NN: Purple|Female|Unnerve
Nature: Timid
Iv's: 30/30/30/31/31/31 [HP Ice 70]
Characteristic: Alert to Sounds

Do ya like it?
Btw, I accepted and completed the challenge ;)

Cordelia January 12th, 2012 9:57 PM

Just RNG'd this awesome dude:

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bws/637.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/41/Bag_Quick_Ball_Sprite.png
Volcarona ♂ Lv. 70
OT: Ginny | ID: 51120
Nature: Timid
Ability: Flame Body
IVs: 30, 30, 31, 31, 30, 30 HP Rock
Moves: Silver Wind, Quiver Dance, Heat Wave, Bug Buzz
Non-Redis

Also...

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bws/640.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/17/Bag_Heal_Ball_Sprite.png
Virizion Lv. 42
OT: Ginny | ID: 51120
Nature: Timid
Ability: Justified
IVs: 30, 30, 31, 30, 31, 30 HP Fire
Moves: Helping Hand, Retaliate, Giga Drain, Sacred Sword
Non-Redis

And the last one for the night...

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bws/639.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/87/Bag_Luxury_Ball_Sprite.png
Terrakion Lv. 42
OT: Ginny | ID: 51120
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Justified
IVs: 31, 31, 31, 30, 31, 31 HP Electric
Moves: Helping Hand, Retaliate, Rock Slide, Sacred Sword
Non-Redis

Aaron40 January 12th, 2012 10:08 PM

I RNG'ed my first shiny, it was a shiny Kyreum

Melinda January 13th, 2012 4:19 AM

Twisted! I finally finished your CP! This mother took me 2 hrs. OMFG. IT WAS HELL. XD

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/012.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/538.gifhttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/012.png
Mars ♂ Lv. 49 [Amelia | 13101]
Careful | Guts | 31 31 31 13 31 31
Circle Throw, Endure, Wide Guard, Superpower
@Route 15

I also did this one

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/009.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/240.gifhttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/009.png
Magby ♂ Lv. 5 [Amelia | 13101]
Adamant | Flame Body | 31 31 31 31 31 31
Smog, Leer
@White Forest

Cordelia January 13th, 2012 8:39 AM

Now I present you... TROLLNADUS! I'd like to thank Musica for luck! I only had to try twice to get this =D

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bw/641.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/41/Bag_Quick_Ball_Sprite.png
Tornadus ♂ Lv. 40
OT: Ginny | ID: 51120
Nature: Timid
Ability: Prankster
IVs: 31, 30, 30, 31, 31, 31 HP Ice
Moves: Revenge, Air Cutter, Extrasensory, Agility
Non-Redis

Melinda January 13th, 2012 9:07 AM

Grats Mac! ^_^

I'm having fun in White Forest. :P Still trying to get Timid Surskit. D:


Jolteon* January 13th, 2012 12:18 PM

I know I am a few days late but:

I was gonna breed this bad boy anyways but it is PINK so it fits :D !

twistedpuppy January 13th, 2012 1:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miakalina (Post 7007324)
Twisted! I finally finished your CP! This mother took me 2 hrs. OMFG. IT WAS HELL. XD

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/012.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/538.gifhttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/012.png
Mars ♂ Lv. 49 [Amelia | 13101]
Careful | Guts | 31 31 31 13 31 31
Circle Throw, Endure, Wide Guard, Superpower
@Route 15

I also did this one

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/009.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/240.gifhttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/009.png
Magby ♂ Lv. 5 [Amelia | 13101]
Adamant | Flame Body | 31 31 31 31 31 31
Smog, Leer
@White Forest

Omg, they're so pretty! Ty Mia! <3

Quote:

Originally Posted by miakalina (Post 7007581)
Grats Mac! ^_^

I'm having fun in White Forest. :P Still trying to get Timid Surskit. D:

If you get Timid, do it in a Premier Ball. Masquerain will look so purdy.

Melinda January 13th, 2012 6:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwilightBlade (Post 7005483)
Challenge: Breed/Catch Pink Pokémon

Welcome and congrats to all new RNG abusers! Nice new breeds and captures!
Now, who wants to take on the challenge? :D

New challenge guys! Go!

Challenge: Breed/Catch Green Pokémon

Pokemon Game Fan January 13th, 2012 10:31 PM

Not sure if this counts for the challenge, but I did this one yesterday lol.

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/633.gif

Deino Lv. 1 http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png
Nature: Modest
Ability: Hustle
Move set: Tackle | Dragon Rage | Dark Pulse
Stats: 12 | 5 | 6 | 6| 6 | 6
IVs: 31 | 24 | 31 | 31 | 31 | 31
EVs: 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0
OT: Adam | ID: 04978

Oh, and newest RNGs!

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/116.gif

Horsea Lv. 1 http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png
Nature: Modest
Ability: Swift Swim
Move set: Bubble
Stats: 11 | 5 | 6 | 6| 5 | 6
IVs: 31 | 24 | 31 | 31 | 31 | 31
EVs: 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0
OT: Adam | ID: 04978
Semi Redis

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/116.gif

Horsea Lv. 1 http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png
Nature: Rash
Ability: Swift Swim
Move set: Bubble
Stats: 11 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 4 | 6
IVs: 31 | 31 | 24 | 22 | 31 | 31
EVs: 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0
OT: Adam | ID: 04978
Semi Redis

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/349.gif

Feebas Lv. 1 http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png
Nature: Bold
Ability: Swift Swim
Move set: Splash
Stats: 11 | 4 | 5 | 5 | 6 | 6
IVs: 31 | 24 | 31 | 31 | 31 | 31
EVs: 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0
OT: Adam | ID: 04978
Semi Redis

Fluffee January 14th, 2012 5:41 AM

Hi Miaa! I recently RNG'd these guys =3 (Green)

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/shiny/633.png
Deino
Nature: Modest
IV's: 31/x/31/31/31/31
Egg Moves: Dragon Pulse (Inherit)/ Dark Pulse/ Ice Fang
OT: Tigey ID# 18109

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/shiny/633.png
Deino
Nature: Timid
IV's: 31/x/31/31/31/31
Egg Moves: Dragon Pulse (Inherit)/ Dark Pulse/ Ice Fang
OT: Tigey ID# 18109

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/shiny/551.png
Sandile
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Moxie
IV's: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Egg Moves: Pursuit, Fire Fang, Thunder Fang, Double Edge
OT: Tigey ID# 18109

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/shiny/551.png
Sandile
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Moxie
IV's: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Egg Moves: Pursuit, Fire Fang, Thunder Fang, Double Edge
OT: Tigey ID# 18109

Do you guys think that I should RNG flawless or keep doing 1 X? All of my Fav pokes I already RNG'd have 1 X.

Musica January 14th, 2012 6:29 AM

If the stat isn't really needed, just go for quint-flawless stats. It's not gonna do anything anyway.

Jolteon* January 14th, 2012 6:53 AM

SUP GUYS: This guy should be green, but hes goldish or brownish (i cant tell im sort of color blind) so its not really good for the challenge
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/93/Bag_Pok%C3%A9_Ball_Sprite.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/back/shiny/204.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/93/Bag_Pok%C3%A9_Ball_Sprite.png
Pinecohttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/39/ShinyBWStar.png
Relaxed | 31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 0
EVs: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0
Tackle, Protect
Sturdy
Brobee | 59398

Musica January 14th, 2012 6:55 AM

That reminds me, I wanted to do that one too. >_<


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