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Ho-Oh January 20th, 2012 7:36 PM

Black/White 2 & Mascots discussion
 
Continuing on with the new threads, what do you guys think the name and the mascot will be?

Discuss as many different points as you can to "prove" why it'll be the name and/or mascot of your choosing!

Don't discuss the potential storylines here though, because we have a whole storyline thread for that!

Eucliffe January 20th, 2012 7:53 PM

Gray/Grey and a complete Kyurem.

First off, the first two are Black and White so why not go in between? Though I guess if they wanna be creative they could always do "Chrome", but Gray/Grey would fit the color scheme better.

As for Kyurem, remember how in Platinum Giratina was given its "Original Forme"? Well, Kyurem doesn't look "fully complete" so it's likely it'll be the star of this game. Not to mention it's the only other Dragon legendary and is sort of typed like Reshiram and Zekrom; only difference is that it only has one signature move.

rocky505 January 20th, 2012 9:08 PM

Obviously Grey/Gray and Kyurem. Every Gen(Except first) has had the third version mascot in the 2nd movie of that gen.

Johto: Suicune in 4ever
Hoenn: Rayquaza in Destiny Deoxys
Sinnoh: Giratina in Sky Warrior
Unova: Kyurem in Movie 15(along with Keldeo who is obviously being revealed next month)

Iceshadow3317 January 20th, 2012 10:20 PM

Like I have said,there are 4 possibilites that have been said,one in which I came up with.

Chrome- This is just a random color that game to my head before this thread. I don't know why it just seems to match Kyreum

YinYang- This is what B/W were ment to represent. If you ask me this would be a pretty could name to bring Black and White togeather.

Grey- The is what color is made when you mix white and black,plus Kyreum is grey. And also when I think of ice I think of grey.

Checkered- another mix between black and white,but just doesn't seem right.


Ask for mascots,most likly it will be Kyreum,but it could be Coballion kinda like Crystal had Suicune.

Mercurybro January 20th, 2012 10:39 PM

Since one of the differences between the two versions is a high tech, futuristic region (for Black) and a low-tech, more natural region (for White), I imagine the third game, if there ever will be one, will be called Pokemon Brown, based on the ongoing development of a natural area into a city center, with more emphasis on suburban areas and other areas under construction. And the mascot of the game would be a Ground/Dragon form of Kyurem or a Volcarona.

Axiom January 21st, 2012 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by littlebrother (Post 7016873)
Since one of the differences between the two versions is a high tech, futuristic region (for Black) and a low-tech, more natural region (for White), I imagine the third game, if there ever will be one, will be called Pokemon Brown, based on the ongoing development of a natural area into a city center, with more emphasis on suburban areas and other areas under construction. And the mascot of the game would be a Ground/Dragon form of Kyurem or a Volcarona.

I hadn't thought about that but you make a very good point. However, I still think it would be called Gray, because the legendaries are all about yin and yang and Kyurem represents Wuji, whihc is an absence of the two (don't quote me on that, though) and as it's painfully obvious it's the third member of the trio, it would only make sense to have a Kyurem, which is cool... It's about time we had an Ice mascot.

Amu January 21st, 2012 12:46 AM

Though Grey/Gray seems likely, I doubt they're going to use it. Before Platinum was revealed, everyone speculated that the third game will be called Pokemon Opal. I think the third game of B/W is going to be Chrome

wombateiro January 21st, 2012 1:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Amu (Post 7016984)
Though Grey/Gray seems likely, I doubt they're going to use it. Before Platinum was revealed, everyone speculated that the third game will be called Pokemon Opal. I think the third game of B/W is going to be Chrome

Platinum's name was difficult to predict because there was a lot of minerals for a good name. Also 4 gen games' names didn't have obvious color pattern.
Grey is a good name because 5 gen names returned to basic colors just like gen 1.
I think Kyurem's name is related to "gure" (it means "grey" in Japanese). (K(y)ure-m).
"Shiro" means "white" (Re-shira-m). "Kuro" means "black" (Ze-k(u)ro-m).

PlatinumDude January 21st, 2012 6:47 AM

As everyone else said, the third version may be named "Gray/Grey" and have Kyurem as its mascot (an alt. form, perhaps?). Considering that the third members of past legendary trios (Rayquaza and Giratina) were mascots for their third versions, Kyurem may as well be one too.

ZeroHeart January 21st, 2012 8:36 AM

It's gotta be Gray/Grey version, right? It fits so well, plus Kyurem is definitely related to Reshiram and Zekrom in some way. And the guy is gray colored.....

Mercurybro January 21st, 2012 9:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Axiom (Post 7016954)
I hadn't thought about that but you make a very good point. However, I still think it would be called Gray, because the legendaries are all about yin and yang and Kyurem represents Wuji, whihc is an absence of the two (don't quote me on that, though) and as it's painfully obvious it's the third member of the trio, it would only make sense to have a Kyurem, which is cool... It's about time we had an Ice mascot.

Wuji means "limitless" and also "ultimate nothingness", apparently..

I've heard people say Pokemon Prism because it's very hard to give a color/shade to something that represents both black and white, (since black is the absence of color and white includes itself and all colors) and includes all the other colors as well. I almost wish Arceus would have been withheld till this generation; it would make a perfect mascot for the third game since it represents all types.

mikey January 21st, 2012 11:04 AM

The mascot is obviously going to be Kyurem. No brainer there.

The name could possibly be Grey, but I think that may be too obvious so idk.

Abomasnowman January 21st, 2012 11:06 AM

Yeah, Kyurem seems to be a given, but I hope they don't call it Gray Version. It makes sense and all, but that's such a bland name.

Nick January 21st, 2012 6:45 PM

I can see why people think Kyurem is a given, because there are a lot of things to suggest it (the name, the typing, etc), but there are other possible options for how to take it. It's really anything-goes for choosing the mascot. I mean, look what they did with GSC. They could have chose Celebi, but they chose a legendary dog.

What I'm hoping (and expecting, honestly) is that they'll expand on the Plasma storyline, especially N and his relationship with his father. It's pretty extensive as it is, though, but expanding it more would be nice. I can't think of any ways how, but adding Genesect to the main story line and making it a mascot for the new version is indeed a possibility when looking at what they did with GSC! It'd be a nice twist to what we all expect, and add something interesting to the new game.

I'd also like if they chose Meloetta. That would be an interesting choice, albeit random. But maybe that's just because I'm a little bias towards it because I like it's design.

The name of the game will be determined by what they choose as the mascot, in my belief.

wombateiro January 22nd, 2012 1:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 7018192)
I can see why people think Kyurem is a given, because there are a lot of things to suggest it (the name, the typing, etc), but there are other possible options for how to take it. It's really anything-goes for choosing the mascot. I mean, look what they did with GSC. They could have chose Celebi, but they chose a legendary dog.

The reason why Suicune was chosen is because Lugia and Ho-oh don't have third Pokemon related to them. Celebi was out of option because it was an event Pokemon. Event Pokemon never have been mascots and most likely any of them won't be in upcoming third game.

It looks like third member of the trio as the third game mascot became standard since R/S/E. And this time everything looks like third member will be mascot as well.

Nick January 22nd, 2012 8:31 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7018604)
The reason why Suicune was chosen is because Lugia and Ho-oh don't have third Pokemon related to them. Celebi was out of option because it was an event Pokemon. Event Pokemon never have been mascots and most likely any of them won't be in upcoming third game.

Just wondering, since that could be a very legitimate reason, but is there any source to that, or is that just your own observation based on their choices thus far?

wombateiro January 22nd, 2012 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 7019132)
Just wondering, since that could be a very legitimate reason, but is there any source to that, or is that just your own observation based on their choices thus far?

My own observation, it's not really that hard to notice things like this.

Nick January 22nd, 2012 10:42 AM

Could also be mere coincidences, so it's easy to overlook them and not give them much thought.

HyperXhydra January 22nd, 2012 12:16 PM

Pokemon Grey or Chrome, the mascot is Kyurem obviously.

seeker January 22nd, 2012 12:34 PM

I do not think we're in for a shock here. For all games previous in which have had a corresponding third legendary (except for GSC which lacked one), it has been the mascot for the third game. Emerald had Rayquaza and Platinum had Giratina, the names were also pretty close to the cuff. So I imagine chrome would be out of the question, not to mention it has that marketing factor to avoid since Chrome has become a well known household browser recently enough and the operating system being released. I would imagine GAMEFREAK will be keeping with the idea of Grey, or something close to it. The only issue I see with that title is the spelling differences in the US. Therefore, Grey & Kyurem seems to be pretty obvious. I'd be surprised if they were to go elsewhere with it. However, I am sure it will be the additional features and changes which will be the big difference.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 22nd, 2012 12:57 PM

The third game will be Grey or chrome (but the legal issue posted above makes this less likely...) with an alternate forme Kyurem in the center.

bobandbill January 22nd, 2012 5:51 PM

Re the Silver mascot thing, I'm inclined to think it's not so much coincidence. Crystal has been the exception thus far which doesn't mean that much (patterns get broken, only two other 'third games' as well), but I feel it's quite possible that Crystal hadn't been originally planned when GS were made too (and there is the claim that GS were intended as the final games as well which fits that). I'll also agree with the event-Pokemon-not-being-it thoughts. They're basically event Pokemon to be given in wifi events or link in with shop promotions (toys r us, eb games/gamestop, etc), the latter which nets them free advertising for their games, as well as give customers small things every so often to keep them interested in the games after they bought them. It's be weird for them to remove one of those now for the third version.

So hence I'm going with Kyurem being the near-certain mascot for a third game if it happens, personally.

I'll also note that iirc there is data for Kyurem to know extra moves that it cannot currently learn in BW in Freeze Shock and Ice Burn (notice the names and effects and think about Zekrom and Reshiram's typing). In fact, those two moves are currently not learn-able by anything. New moves cannot be easily added to games within the same generation because that can cause compatibility issues (for trading/battles, and why for instance TMs remained the same between 3rd and 4th gen games... and although they changed in 5th gen, guess what's not transferable between 4th gen and 5th gen? That's right, any items including TMs). Interesting data for BW to already have in place then, no?

As for the name of the game if it happens? Not placing my bet on anything. Why? I need to look no further than the fanname for Platinum (in Opal) being so strongly believed in that when the name Platinum was revealed a lot of people firmly believed it must be fake. So much for that!

scprepschool January 27th, 2012 9:28 PM

Okay so I was doing a run through of charge stone cave on my most recet restart of white and I noticed a likely hint to the 3rd game.
Before battling N he sais something like : a mixture of all these different ideals turn the world gray!
.. Thats impossible. My goal is to seperate people from pokemon.... Into a world of black and white

Now thats not a direct qoute but its real close

Now he mentions black and white in reference to a world ( titles )
& he mentions gray in reference to a world... Hmmm
Plus the latest anime episode pics on serebii show charge stone as place where zekrom dwelled long ago

Rivin January 27th, 2012 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Toshiro. (Post 7017656)
The mascot is obviously going to be Kyurem. No brainer there.

The name could possibly be Grey, but I think that may be too obvious so idk.

Agreed. I am certain it will be Kyurem, but the color name i'm not so sure of.

The obvious choice would be Grey/Gray, and I've no problem with that, but it there are alternative possibilities like Slate (my favorite choice!), Charcoal, Iron, Timberwolf, Glaucous, Sere, Taupe, Puce, Cenereous, etc...

(I personally think if they go for the less obvious shades of gray, they will use one of the more easily pronounced/kid-friendly choices [ie. Slate/Charcoal/Timberwolf])

My bet would be for either Gray/Grey; Slate; or Charcoal.

wombateiro January 30th, 2012 8:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scprepschool (Post 7026279)
Before battling N he sais something like : a mixture of all these different ideals turn the world gray!
.. Thats impossible. My goal is to seperate people from pokemon.... Into a world of black and white

Now thats not a direct qoute but its real close

Now he mentions black and white in reference to a world ( titles )
& he mentions gray in reference to a world...

Before that he says this: "Cheren is pursuing the ideal of strength. Poor Bianca has faced the sad truth that not everyone can become stronger. And you are not swayed either way-more of a neutral presence.Which is apparently a good thing."

Ideal and truth may be references to Zekrom and Reshiram. Also Cheren's and Bianca's names translated to English mean Black and White.
Neutral presence may be reference to Kyurem and the color of gray because they are perfect balance between colors of black and white.


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