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Netto Azure March 26th, 2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIFORCE89 (Post 7099939)
I don't think it'll get shot down. I think enough judges will pull for it.

Forgive my non-American understanding... but if it doesn't mesh well with that sacred piece of paper why not just ammend it like has been done many times over?

Well amending the sacred piece of paper (And yes, we Americans like to venerate it as closely as a holy document u_u) requires a 3/4 vote in the affirmative of the amendment in the House of Representatives and US Senate or the States in convention. Which in turn either a 3/4 supermajority of State Legislatures vote in approving it or a 3/4 supermajority of the states in a convention approve of it.

And considering that the political landscape as it is barely gets a majority of the US Congress to pass funding bills and other essential legislation such as the Debt Ceiling, I doubt an amendment would actually pass on such a hyper-partisan piece of legislation.

Livewire April 11th, 2012 7:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TRIFORCE89 (Post 7099939)
I don't think it'll get shot down. I think enough judges will pull for it.

Forgive my non-American understanding... but if it doesn't mesh well with that sacred piece of paper why not just ammend it like has been done many times over?

Given how polarized American Politics has become, a Constitutional Amendment would be damn near impossible as of right now. The feasible way would be once President Obama is re-elected, and if the Democrats re-take the House of Representatives with a large majority. Same with the Senate.

Netto Azure April 11th, 2012 9:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 7126208)


Given how polarized American Politics has become, a Constitutional Amendment would be damn near impossible as of right now. The feasible way would be once President Obama is re-elected, and if the Democrats re-take the House of Representatives with a large majority. Same with the Senate.

I highly doubt that even with the 2009-2010 Democrat Supermajority any constitutional amendment would pass. I still remember how close the votes on PPACA were back then, 219-212 in the House IIRC, and the 60-39 in the Senate. That's not enough for an amendment. :/

TRIFORCE89 April 11th, 2012 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Netto Azure (Post 7126294)


I highly doubt that even with the 2009-2010 Democrat Supermajority any constitutional amendment would pass. I still remember how close the votes on PPACA were back then, 219-212 in the House IIRC, and the 60-39 in the Senate. That's not enough for an amendment. :/

Agreed. Even with a supermajority back then, the democrats conceded a lot.

Obamacare is a step in the right direction. But what you need is a universal health care or national insurance system. But, even with a supermajority there was no chance of that happening. Constitutional amendment or not.

Netto Azure April 11th, 2012 9:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIFORCE89 (Post 7126563)

Agreed. Even with a supermajority back then, the democrats conceded a lot.

Obamacare is a step in the right direction. But what you need is a universal health care or national insurance system. But, even with a supermajority there was no chance of that happening. Constitutional amendment or not.

I still remember thoroughly criticizing the various proposals being floated back then. (Except for HR 676 of course) Remember this?

http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=189588

and

http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=197741

But after experiencing actually having insurance myself and seeing how other college students are benefiting from various provisions in the Law, I've realized that this is way better than what we had before. The US as it is can only accept these modest forms of reform due to entrenched interests, but that is life.

Yet sadly the issue is being used as a political football with some very unfounded fears being peddled around.


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