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Between Leafeon and Glaceon, I think Glaceon is the better of the two. :P |
Why all the hate for Probopass?
Who am I kidding? Looking back at the list of all Gen IV pokemon, I realized that probopass is certainly my least favorite of the bunch. Horrid design, failure of a mustache, SUPER MARIO RIP-OFF, no movepool. Yeah, sucks to be him really. |
Miaa I couldn't agree with you more, the Lopunny/Buneary family is the best! x] I think Dawn having one kind of helps though x]
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My least favorite gen IV pokemon???
RE-GI-GI-GAS It's so.... fat and ugly. I don't like any of the Regi's... but thats just me. At least Pyrobopass had a nose! |
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Ugggh.. I hate you Arceus. I hate hate hate hate you. Your a goat that's stuck in a hoop, and you stole Mews job as god. http://papashome.com/mods/smileys/images/snotted.gif %#^{}[#{€£~¥
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I too, am kind of upset with it stealing Mews thunder. |
I honestly felt like it stole Mewtwo's fame more than any other's, as Mewtwo was famous for being the strongest, most powerful Pokémon in all of the world, though suddenly the Pokémon world recieves a god and he loses all his fame. Mew was never really any type of god, more an extinct Pokémon which of there were only a few left, yet the fact that it was so rare was what made it earn that reputation, so I honestly picture it as a little god myself.
I also hated the design of Arceus. It's design is just so plain ugly and I can't seem to find out whether it was a lack of creativity or just a bad designer who came up with that idea, 'cause it doesn't look like a god at all imo. |
Arceus. He does not look like a god either. he looks like a horse, about to take a dump. i mean, its design sucks. I LIEK MEWTWO WAY BETTER.
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Yes, Mewtwo over Arceus anyday. Arceus is just.....overrated with its stats. 120 in all of them? It needs to give some to Phione so we have more Pokemon with 100's other than the extinct ones that we already have xD Kidding..but seriously. Arceus doesn't really bother me. I would just NOT use it at all if it bugged me. Storyline for the Anime is overrated anyway, they don't keep things lined up properly. Mew/Mewtwo is my Pokemon God :) |
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Arceus is really overrated, that goat/horse/something else. Yeah, he definitely is an Uber pokemon considering the 120/120/120/120/120/120 stat, but yeah. what else can it accomplish? |
For me Arceus is god because it looks like god and Mewtwo is just strong Mew clone.
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@Xeberos I honestly don't see what it is that makes Arceus look like a god. There's not really anything that makes it stand out from any other legendary Pokémon, except for the uncreative design. Mewtwo seems closer to a god than any other Pokémon, even though it isn't a legit Pokémon. This also leads to a new topic, so here goes. Do you think Arceus deserves the title of Pokémon God? Please include reasons to why he should/shouldn't and if not, which other Pokémon do you think should've been a God? |
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That's exactly it, neither Arceus or Mewtwo looks like a god, though I just see Mewtwo as more of a god because it was the original strongest Pokémon, though Arceus ruined its fame, so I don't like Arceus that much. As for Arceus design, you're right, it's not downright uncreative, though isn't exactly creative either. When they're making a Pokémon that's supposed to be the god of the world, they should at least put a lot of time into making its design. I find it hard to believe that that much time has been spent on Arceus' design. :I
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Name: BZW Golem
Partner Pokemon: Linu the Shinx Reason for Joining: Generation IV is not ma favourite one.. but It has a bunch of awesome pokemon :D And It was the first one with WiFi, so the first one that got me into "OMG, online playing!!". So I have some sentiment for It because of that XD About Arceus... I really don't like the idea of a "Pokemon God". Mostly because after they made a god I was sure that It was the end of pokemon, that nothing more could be made O,o After they have made a next gen, I felt like this god was not "absolute" enough :< |
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No matter how much we complain (I mean, I complain) how crappy he looks, how Mewtwo is the far better legendary, and how overrated he is, we cannot deny the fact that he created the world. Time, Spacem anti-matter, emotions, knowledge, willpower; everything can be traced back to him. We cannot deny that, no matter how we criticize him. We could, should, at least give him credit for all that, so I think he deserves it. But Mewtwo is still the better legendary. If only he has all this mystic lore behind him, then the Pokemon World will be a better place. |
NO, ARCEUS DOES NOT DESERVE IT!!!
I swear the world has gone crazy. They think that this thing is actually a good Pokemon. Mew is the rightful god of Pokemon. The only reason people disagree with this is because of all the folklore that Arceus has behind him, like Miltank said. The reason why Mew and Mewtwo dont have that is because Gen 1 was so simple. That's what makes it so special. Today we're stuck with Pokemon that are so overcomplicated that they don't even make sense, like Yamask and Musharna. What are they?! In Gen 1, it was so basic. Ekans was a snake, Geodude was a rock and Arcanine was a dog. Since it was so simple they didnt need folklore for Mew. It just made sense. |
Well I personally don't think he deserves the title at all, no matter what his background is, because of course Gamefreak decided that they wanted a God and gave him a story and stuff, though he was introduced 4 generations in. If they ever wanted to make a Pokémon God, they should've done it if they chose to end the series of games. Now it'll be harder to make up legendaries who stand up to his level, which will just result in getting desperate results of legendaries. I know B/W did pretty well, but we can't expect that to hold up, which is why I don't think he deserves the title of god.
And as Golem said, I don't think the Pokémon world should have a God, as it just kind of ruins the concept of all the other legendaries, making them seem much more worthless :< |
Should Arceus been seen as the Pokemon God? In my opinion, no. In all honesty I don't know the stories behind it, but one thing I do know is that they'll create something better and more important in the future. It does seem weird that the God Pokemon was introduced in Gen IV like Olli said, but I suppose there are valid reasons for that. For example its temple is in Sinnoh (iirc?) so I don't see how it would've been found in earlier regions :3 Although there certainly should've been references to him in the old games (or even Gen V!) if he really was the Pokemon God. I can't even think of any references to him in the Gen IV games, let alone the rest of the series!
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Name: Halcyon
Partner Pokemon: Radar 2000 the Magnezone Reason for Joining: I do feel that Generation IV is the most underrated generation out of the bunch. I think it deserves some love! That being said, the designs (especially new evolutions and pre-evolutions) this generation are really creative and interesting in my opinion. :D |
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You're right about Gen IV being too underrated than it should have been, 'cause even though it's not my favourite generation, I don't think it should get so much hate either. I don't know how it'll be in the future, but both DPPt and BW has gotten a lot of hate because of Pokémon designs and other new stuff from people who are too affected by nostalgia to realise that some of the designs, features etc. are actually pretty good. Anyways, the topic about Arceus is still open for discussion, but I'm starting a new topic anyways. 'What was your thoughts on Cyrus' intentions for Team Galactic?' Closing an eye for all the insanity of the plan, how did you like the intentions of Cyrus' plan? Do you think a world without emotions would possibly be a better place? (making it relative to Pokémon, so like there would be no abuse of Pokémon, but no bonding with them either) |
I guess it could be alright. But like Cynthia says, without joy there is no sorrow and vice versa. It would be so boring, but there would be no conflict.
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We wouldn't exactly be zombies. Taking away our emotions doesn't make us mindless, we just aren't emotionally affected by things. Like beating someone in battle wouldn't make us feel any kind of joy or happiness and we wouldn't feel any sadness when losing anything important, though we're still able to feel pain, since we haven't lost our senses and intelligence, thus making us care if we were to be attacked by Pokémon.
But yes, I agree, Alex. I guess Cyrus' intentions were kinda like the villain of the Vicini movie's. Cyrus probably believe that the world would be better off without emotions, though he apparently couldn't see the insanity in it. He probably only saw the positive effects of a world without emotion and were to caught into that image, that he didn't even consider all the negative effects. Like in the animé where he ends up leaving into his "perfect" world alone, thinking about it, he was probably lead to misery, not only due to the negative sides of the world, but also due to realising the negative effects :I You're right, this is getting philosophical >_< |
@Cosmotone: (too lazy to quote. sorry) I mean, if its power we are talking about, there are several other legendaries that could match Arceus.
on the topic: Cyrus certainly has something to say; he just failed to make it through. I am an absolute Cyrus fan. But, I am not biased. I agree with you on us being zombie-like entities, crawling in the pokemon world, feeding off things and such. But think. Without emotions, yes, there would be no happiness. No joy, no sense of fulfillment. But look, free anesthesia no pain! No sorrow. The world would exist as a neutral entity, possessing individuals with neither love nor hate. It will be a new world, but wouldn't it be beneficial to all? Petty disputes over pokemon, brother against brother to gain a badge, and who is getting hurt? Ash does. The Pokemon. We forcefully capture them when they are low in health, and forced them to battle for us. to win our battles. to settle our disputes. what would you feel if you are being used? Therefore, I agree to some extent with cyrus' plan. his plan of eradicating all emotions is partially a good thing. except you can never experience the joy of eating a pizza again. Pokemon would be living wild, untouched, and free. And so do people. |
Again, I disagree with the fact that you make it out like the lack of emotions will zombify us. Our intelligence and senses are still intact, thus making us feel and think like most humans would normally do, we just wouldn't be emotionally effected by anything. Even though I agree that a life would seem better without the negative emotions that affect our decisions and actions and make us do horrible things, though a life without emotions seems empty. You mentioned that the Pokémon are being used by the trainers, though what we've come to learn from the animé series at least, is that the Pokémon are willingly going into battle, whether it's to satisfy their owner, or if they possibly get some satisfaction out of battling themselves. So all in all, few Pokémon are actually getting used, though there still are the nasty kind of trainers and those people who only use Pokémon for research, or those who use them for their evil plans, they are the ones who shouldn't have those negative emotions.
Now a possible way out of all this, would probably be if it was possible to only remove all the negative emotions, like sadness, anger, etc. from the world, yet still keep the positive ones, so that everything would remain positive, which would obviously be a better world, though that seems more like a dream wish, one which would be even more impossible than simply removing emotions. |
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I honestly do not remember a much about the Sinnoh storyline though. Been a long time since I completed the storyline.. He isn't as cool as N though! |
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Time for what I think about Cyrus :3
Yea, Team Galactic was not really different form Team Rocket. The both wanted power, the only thing that made them a bit different is that TG was more into space and time domination, and TR cared more for money. Cyrus wanted to destroy and then create.. but IMO he was just a psychopath who had a sad childhood and just couldn't accept the world as It is. To be honest.. N was probably the first antagonist in pokemon that was not "just a psyho wanting power to do something" xD |
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Petty disputes over pokemon, brother against brother to gain a badge, and who is getting hurt? Ash does. The Pokemon. We forcefully capture them when they are low in health, and forced them to battle for us. to win our battles. to settle our disputes. what would you feel if you are being used? This sounds more like Ghetsis to me than Cyrus, with the liberation and being forced. Oh and a sidenote, N has always confused me. |
Alright, it has been a great discussion and you're free to continue it, though it's quite the time for a new topic too.
Which was your favourite town in Sinnoh? Remember that you can base your answers on both the games and the anime and what else comes to mind, just so you don't limit it to stuff in the games only ;) And as a little side topic which I'm probably gonna add from time to time. Which Pokémon do you think should be the next featured Pokémon of the club? It would be great if you could provide some pictures, so that it'd be easier to choose ^^ |
Sunyshore. Sunyshor is the only city in Sinnoh that actually appealed to me. I love the tower, and I love Volkner. He is so cool, too bad that he quickly fall to EQ's. :\
Bibarel please! http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/085/c/1/Bibarel_by_Xous54.png The very best HM slave the games had produced! |
My favorite town in Sinnoh was definately be Floraroma Town. It's just beautiful. I love flowers, and the music for it isn't to shabby. :D
It's been so long since I've played D/P/P, I had to literally fly everywhere in Platinum just to see where the heck I was talking about. XD |
My fave town/city in Sinnoh is Hearthome City due to Amity Square and the Contest Hall.
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I like Amity Square in Pt, rather than in DP. In Dp we have really limited amount of choices of Pokemon. IN Pt however, the evolved formes of starters are included. :)
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Favorite town? Gimme a sec. *checks map of Sinnoh*
I'd have to say Canalave. I love the Piano for its music and the port and library. Very well assembled! |
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Not going far from the current topic, I never really found a distinct difference of agenda between Giovanni and Cyrus. -_-" ------------------------------ sorry for the long post, been inactive for some reasons. and for the favorite city -----> Celestic Town well its not even a city... :| but i kinda liked the radiance there. so serene and traditional. but city-wise, its Snowpoint City. the mild aura of the winter. |
Celestic Town is where you get surf right. it's too boring for my taste. I mean, i had no reason to go back there.
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Yeah, I agree with the others who chose Hearthome. I felt like there was much going on in the city, and it shared like the big city status with Jubilife, so it's also one of the more notable cities. All the stuff they included in the city also gave you a bunch of stuff to do while you were in the city.
Of the smaller towns I'd probably have to say Floaroma Town. Even though it's a really small town, all the beautiful flowers just give it such a peaceful feeling, which was kinda ruined by Team Galactic being there, but other than that, it was pretty nice. ^^ New topic! 'Which was the most entertaining event in the games in your opinion?' |
Most entertaining thing? Flint's hair Probably going inside mount Coronet just before facing Dialga
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Though this event is optional, I enjoyed training in Iron Island with Riley. I mean, powerful Pokemon, powerful partner, tons of XP! |
That was cool but boring to me. Riley was awesome and all, but I just didn't think that it was that entertaining.
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well it was for me. And after we kicked some Galactic's butt, I come home with a newly acquired Riolu egg! Also, my Pokemon grows a lot in there, preparing me for Byron.
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I guess, one the most entertaining events that I remember, was those that happened on the way to Heatran. At the time I didn't know Heatran even was in that mountain, and when I finally reached that empty room I was so greatly annoyed because of all the time I spent, fighting my way to nothing. Though after the events with Buck stealing the 'treasure' and that, and after I returned to the room, I was so glad to see Heatran there. So I guess it wasn't that entertaining in itself, untill the reward was shown, though I don't really remember that many of the other events in the games, so I'm just gonna go with this one >_<
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New topic! Who do you think would win in a brawl, Dialga or Palkia?
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I think it would end in tie. None of them has an advantage to the other one, and they are like brothers. Nobody wins I guess. |
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