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Ho-Oh February 25th, 2012 5:29 PM

Storyline Speculation!
 
Okay so now we know that there are new games coming out, and that they'll most likely differ from Black and White, yeah? How do you think they'll differ in storyline? What sorts of storylines do you think are possible in a sequel, rather than just another version? Discuss!

blue February 25th, 2012 5:34 PM

Well I think there will be new and exclusive areas to explore, I think the Shadow Triad will have a larger part in the storyline and I think N will take you on in a double battle with "Black Kyurem & White Kyurem" however it's kinda hard to call right now.

Railgun February 25th, 2012 6:07 PM

If its years after BW maybe Alder is dead or retired and Cheren or Bianca is Champion.

blue February 25th, 2012 6:17 PM

I'd love for Bianca to be champ, I love her.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2012 6:18 PM

I think that the game will focus on restoring the balance that was offset by Hilbert/Hilda's battle with N. Also they're proably be a new champ like in Emerald.

Bluerang1 February 25th, 2012 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7062315)
I'd love for Bianca to be champ, I love her.

Ooh this! Remember the rumors about it? haha

Railgun February 25th, 2012 6:23 PM

I think its 5 years alter so there like 20 or so and Ghetis wants to rebuild Plasma so he connects with Aqua while Giovanna is in Hoenn and teams with Magma. So you go between Unova and Hoenn to face them. Idk. But like the idea of two regions Toss in trainer rematches to level up and it sounds good

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2012 6:28 PM

I doubt that he'll team up with two teams long since disolved. Though maybe Cyrus return's and helps Ghetsis...maybe Kyurem's forme's were unnaturaly put back together using Galactic's technology...
Also Bianca might be the proffesor as that was her dream...

JakeG February 25th, 2012 6:29 PM

I'm so excited! I could easily see Cheren or Bianca being champion.

blue February 25th, 2012 6:33 PM

Bianca deserves to be champion, Alder has had his spot in the limelight! In all seriousness though these games could be anything now, its just a waiting game but I'd love to have seen Unova on the 3DS. I can definitely see more stuff involving Ghetsis, N, Shadow Triad & The other six sages.

Bluerang1 February 25th, 2012 6:35 PM

Those who say this will be set in the future, does this mean we'll be getting brand new Gym Leaders? I can see Iris taking over what's his name. The rest are young enough, Lenora might be old. Oh and Marshall might be Champion now and Cheren, one of the Elite 4.

Railgun February 25th, 2012 6:37 PM

I do home the shadow triad and the two ladies who raised N are explained. God I feel like drawing the new heros even though I have no clue what they look like

Cello February 25th, 2012 6:47 PM

Does anybody remember what Cynthia said in B/W?
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"Once every few years, the Champions of each region gather and compete to see who is the strongest! An interesting idea, don't you agree?"
I want to see this put into action...

blue February 25th, 2012 6:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cello (Post 7062377)
Does anybody remember what Cynthia said in B/W?


I want to see this put into action...

Never heard that before... interesting!

Railgun February 25th, 2012 6:55 PM

But whos the Hoenn champion Wallace of Stone?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2012 6:56 PM

Yes, I want to see that, maybe it'll take place in Union tower or in an entirely new place...
By the way here's a plot twist that would make B2W2 the mother of all plot twists: N is champ and replaces Alder...

Cello February 25th, 2012 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7062381)


Never heard that before... interesting!

She says it when you beat her in the villa, though she apparently says different things for different seasons. According to Bulbapedia it's during the summer.

Jarred0809 February 25th, 2012 7:00 PM

I think it might be what GSC was to Red and Blue. My theory goes like this:
-New player characters
-A few years after BW, N returns from Hoenn to Unova
-Black/White is the Champion
-They work together to find Ghetsis
-Kyurem is up to no good
-he starts causing trouble in our neighborhood
-old Plasma members start worshiping him
-Cheren becomes kinda like Steven in Emerald, wandering around the region and training
-He turns out to be one of the gym leaders later on
-Kyurem's plot unfolds after you have 7 badges
-Everyone works together to beat him and you can catch him
-There's 2 new items like the Griseous Orb that puts Kyurem into his forms
-Obvious hints at 3D RS remakes throughout the game

blue February 25th, 2012 7:00 PM

I think you can only battle her during the Summer. Theres so much new stuff that could go into these games, any of these ideas would be great.

Railgun February 25th, 2012 7:04 PM

If its Touya and Touko though how will they explain you have no pokemon?

gunnerpow7 February 25th, 2012 7:09 PM

For me, there was many firsts in Gen V like returning back to its roots, a crossover spin-off, and a sequel pair than just one version. By judging from the new forms of Kyurem or Zekrom and Reshiram? (don't know how to call it) Maybe, the storyline would take a dramatic turn and a more diverse storyline that just plain old travelling, getting badges, being a champion.. etc... The storyline for me would be like... Unova's balance was been thrown out of whack and the protagonist must restore balance to the world or something like that... I don't know, Just my opinion... =)

Cello February 25th, 2012 7:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarred0809 (Post 7062402)
-Black/White is the Champion

That would be kind of cool, if it's what I think you're saying.
It would be a couple years after B/W, and the trainer you play as in the first installment of B/W is the champion. That way you can be a new trainer and battle them in the same way that you battled Red in G/S/C.

blue February 25th, 2012 7:12 PM

Yeah, seeing Black/White actually in the storyline would be good.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2012 7:13 PM

If it's a sequel than I expect that it'll be new charcter's...if it's the same one's then...points at the memory stealing alien pokemon...

shengar February 25th, 2012 7:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cello (Post 7062377)
Does anybody remember what Cynthia said in B/W?


I want to see this put into action...

This is interesting indeed. I have for this for so long.

A battle between Champions and their Elite Fours will epic.
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Originally Posted by AshleyKetchum (Post 7062391)
But whos the Hoenn champion Wallace of Stone?

Possibly Mikuri, since Daigo too captivated and obsessed by stone lol.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2012 7:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunnerpow7 (Post 7062419)
For me, there was many firsts in Gen V like returning back to its roots, a crossover spin-off, and a sequel pair than just one version. By judging from the new forms of Kyurem or Zekrom and Reshiram? (don't know how to call it) Maybe, the storyline would take a dramatic turn and a more diverse storyline that just plain old travelling, getting badges, being a champion.. etc... The storyline for me would be like... Unova's balance was been thrown out of whack and the protagonist must restore balance to the world or something like that... I don't know, Just my opinion... =)

I think it'll be similar to Emerald in that regard only two legends aren't in the middle of battle. Though there will proably be badges involved and being champ.

KingDrapion February 25th, 2012 7:36 PM

Does anyone think that the Kyurem movie will give us hints in the story line of B2/W2.
Also Since the Muskateers play an important role in the movie, Im guessing that they will also play an important role in B2 and W2? Anyways im also curious about what type they will be. In B2 im guessing Ice and Electric and in W2 Ice and Fire and the names Kyuram and Kyurom. But what will be of Reshiram and Zekrom??

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2012 7:49 PM

They're proably gone, my guess is that Hilda/Hilbert still have their mascot and N released his which then fused with Kyurem and can somehow split back into two (ohh, two legends in one capture?!)

gunnerpow7 February 25th, 2012 7:56 PM

It would be a surprise if the forms would be 3 types than just 2 but it is highly unlikely but we should consider it as a possibility.

KingDrapion February 25th, 2012 8:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnerpow7 (Post 7062469)
It would be a surprise if the forms would be 3 types than just 2 but it is highly unlikely but we should consider it as a possibility.

Yeh, the New formes look like a combination of Dragon, Ice and Fire/Electric. They could possibly give them 3 types, but that just wouldn't work and many people would dislike it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2012 8:51 PM

Well most are guessing that they're Ice/Electric and Ice/Fire...a triple type would bust the Meta game...

何贤豪 February 25th, 2012 9:04 PM

I'm thinking that the new games would have improvements similar to Platinum, so that there will be more post-story stuff (and also stuff in Generation 4 that was taken away in Generation 5)...and some story improvements. Maybe even put a prologue (the opposite of a post-story, which is an epilogue), maybe?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2012 9:08 PM

Maybe the intro shows where N went... also I can see the storynline focusing even more on the mascot than the previous games did. Who knows, maybe Kyurem is the antagonist...

RGRDB February 25th, 2012 11:34 PM

If these games are in fact sequels to B/W and not just a third game done in a new way.... then I'm thinking they will HAVE to include brand new player characters, otherwise they will not make any sense at all. How would they explain the character starting off with no Pokemon?

Ho-Oh February 26th, 2012 12:24 AM

Bianca as a champion would be... weird @ posts back.

What I do want is for an ice age type thing. From the sounds of it being a sequel, after the events of Black and White, I'd say it could be possible more than ever, and the fact that Kyurem is the mascot for both, yeaah... GOD AN ICE-AGE UNOVA WOULD BE AWESOME AND THEN IT SLOWLY DEFROSTING AS YOU GO FORWARD IN TIME OMFG. AND AND AND PLASMA OR ANOTHER EVIL TEAM COMES OUT AND TRIES TO HARNESS KYUREM'S POWERS SO THEY HAVE CONTROL TO FREEZE EVERYONE!

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ February 26th, 2012 12:27 AM

New player characters, hopefully with better fashion sense. I also want to see another female Champion, preferably Bianca if it's not somebody totally new. Alder creeped me out. And maybe for once the protagonist's hometown won't be some small town in the middle of nowhere.

I really don't want another legendary-based plotline, but considering that two forms of that ice dragon thingy were introduced along with the names of these games, that wish is gonna be another pipe dream. At least maybe the evil team is back to the classic "steal Pokemon for profit and power" scheme and the plot involving the legendary is separate.

I'd also like to see a truly nasty rival this time. Maybe he joins the evil team. Maybe he moves through the ranks and becomes LEADER of the evil team.

I'd also like to track down both Ghetsis and N and bring them to justice, Yes, N too, he was an accomplice in the whole Plasma scheme.

wombateiro February 26th, 2012 2:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7062339)
I doubt that he'll team up with two teams long since disolved. Though maybe Cyrus return's and helps Ghetsis...maybe Kyurem's forme's were unnaturaly put back together using Galactic's technology...

It's possible that Hoenn games are set to take place at similar time as Unova games, in B/W there are rumors about Team Rocket and Galactic being dissolved, but nothing about Aqua/Magma. So it's possible in B2/W2 there might be some storyline connections with Aqua/Magma and later those connections might be expanded in R/S remakes.

Steven February 26th, 2012 3:07 AM

There are four possible scenarios here regarding the general story:
  • Locker said in B/W that N was spotted with a dragon Pokemon in a land far away. This could be foreshadowing to a new region/old region being accessible in the game. Please note that a new region does not need new Pokemon.
  • N comes back from the far away land and the story remains in Unova.
  • N never comes back, and that will remain a plot hole.
  • The story from B/W is used again but changed slightly

Let's hope for the first one.

Railgun February 26th, 2012 3:11 AM

I'm going with a cross region adventure in Unova and Hoenn where instead of gyms you battle the sages and do other things.

Steven February 26th, 2012 3:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AshleyKetchum (Post 7062893)
I'm going with a cross region adventure in Unova and Hoenn where instead of gyms you battle the sages and do other things.

Assuming the story takes place after Black and White, all the sages have been captured by Locker already.

Railgun February 26th, 2012 3:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Landorus (Post 7062894)
Assuming the story takes place after Black and White, all the sages have been captured by Locker already.

They could always be set free by Ghetis for all we no. The Pokemon police force is not the most clever as we all know.

Raichupacabra February 26th, 2012 4:16 AM

- Drastic changes to Unova or a different neighboring region. I don't feel like playing through the same game again.
- Old Pokemon are brought back
- Bianca should end up being the new Professor of the region due to that being her dream.
- Cheren should end up being a Champion of the region and appear around the game like Cynthia and Lance.
- Hilbert should end up like Red and you can fight him after beating the main game.
- More behind the origins of Ghetsis's motives
- The Shadow Triad and the Six Sages get more backstory
- N comes back

blue February 26th, 2012 5:13 AM

They certainly know how to surprise us I'll give them that, it could (unlikely) be a whole new region though, with obviously all the main characters and some new ones from Black & White.

miltankRancher February 26th, 2012 5:36 AM

I guess we will see more of N, and his backstory. That is a good thing, because I want to know the person that is N.

prime456 February 26th, 2012 5:56 AM

maybe drayden will become a elite four and leave the gym up to iris alone or he and drake from hoenn have some sort of connection

Ivysaur February 26th, 2012 7:21 AM

The Shadow triad clearly were Wasted Characters, I hope they serve some sort of purpose in the sequels. Maybe trying to help Ghetsis rebuild his plans?

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ February 26th, 2012 7:41 AM

If Ghetsis were to re-emerge, I don't think he could use his whole "liberation of Pokemon" front for Team Plasma since of course that ploy has already been exposed. Heck, I don't think the group can call itself "Team Plasma" without people becoming very suspicious.

Then again, Ghetsis may not care if people are suspicious of his new Team Plasma this time around... He might be finished trying to disguise his true intentions.

Treecko February 26th, 2012 7:52 AM

The story of N will be expanded on somehow. Either he returns to Unova, it takes place in a whole new region, or it's just an enhanced version of the Black and White story where Alder steps down as Champion and Bianca or Cheren or some new person takes his place.

Cello February 26th, 2012 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 7063336)
So Castelia City will be bigger, that area behind would have been built by then.

Oh hey, you might be right if this story takes place far enough into the future. That would be kinda cool to see.

Hopefully there not going to pull another Machop thing, stomping out the ground of that house in Vermilion until the end of time.

Tachikaze February 26th, 2012 10:31 AM

If anything, I think the plot will be Ghetsis's attempt to re-unify Plasma, but I think N will be a bit of a loose cannon.

They'll probably finish up the story with N and Ghetsis that involved some climactic battle with these Kyurem forms and whatnot.

Mew~ February 26th, 2012 10:56 AM

I want this to be very, very, very, very, very, very dark. Okay, well maybe just dark. I'd love to see a weird 3D scene with Kyurem fusing with a Reshiram or Zekrom, they could make it look really creepy.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2012 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7062872)
It's possible that Hoenn games are set to take place at similar time as Unova games, in B/W there are rumors about Team Rocket and Galactic being dissolved, but nothing about Aqua/Magma. So it's possible in B2/W2 there might be some storyline connections with Aqua/Magma and later those connections might be expanded in R/S remakes.

I used to think the same but one day while I was playing Pt I would out otherwise; a girl in the tower mentioned how there was a similar tower in Hoenn. The tower was made during the player's journey in Emerald meaning Hoenn takes place before GSCDPPtBWB2W2...

Anyways, I think the ice age theory might not work for the Resh-Kyurem as it looks part fire...unless they do drought in one place and blizzard in another...

Xander Olivieri February 26th, 2012 11:27 AM

Friend and I just started talking about Kyurem and its origins as of Black and White as well as potential stuff from the movie.

Kyurem fell to the PokeEarth in a meteor. Said meteor broke into three portions when it entered the atmosphere and each fell into a different area and each carried with them something inside.

If they are New Pokemon as Masuda says they are, then story will be some time after the events of Black and White with the Key trainer having Reshiram in Black and Zekrom in White (The big Boss trainer you could probably battle after you've beaten the Elite Four.

Our New character, while trying to thwart the revival of Team Plasma stumbles into one of the areas with the new Kyurems and releases it or Team Plasma is after it to revive it and use it to take over Unova. There the normal everyday Pokemon Story plot takes place.

This or while through the course of the game, there is an event that triggers a Meteor shower, one falls to PokeEarth in Unova and it is carrying Version Mascot Kyurem. This one goes into a rage and starts attacking everything and you as the trainer have to catch it before Version Game's bad guys appear to do the same thing.

jakrodriguez February 26th, 2012 12:09 PM

kyurem looks broken right? so i think his broken body parts came into contact with reshiram and zekrom and they fused you then loo for kyurem then he goes to black/white kyurem to claim his lost parts. The rest you can figure out

bwburke94 February 26th, 2012 12:13 PM

Listen, we're seeing a bunch of these kinds of theories. Most of them neglect to include the God Stone, which is most likely Kyurem itself...

Tachikaze February 26th, 2012 12:16 PM

The forms just complicate things further. Kyurem, Reshiram, and Zekrom were one dragon, this was stated in BW. I don't get why we have two more versions of the three of them. Unless, the God Stone Unifies the three of them together in one version.

Like, in W2, the God Stone takes the Reshiram form, and combines it with Zekrom or something to create the perfect form. And the inverse happens in B2. It brings all three together someway, and this is Ghetsis's trump card, the one he didn't have in BW. Ghetsis will try to control the beast and it will backfire big time.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2012 12:24 PM

Is it possible that the new evil team is actually two? One of the could want the mascot and the other tries to stop them (like in RS) but later they discover Ghetsis was using both of them, one to lure the hero/heroine in and the other to capture the legendary pokemon.

Zelda February 26th, 2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tachikaze (Post 7063531)
The forms just complicate things further. Kyurem, Reshiram, and Zekrom were one dragon, this was stated in BW. I don't get why we have two more versions of the three of them. Unless, the God Stone Unifies the three of them together in one version.

Like, in W2, the God Stone takes the Reshiram form, and combines it with Zekrom or something to create the perfect form. And the inverse happens in B2. It brings all three together someway, and this is Ghetsis's trump card, the one he didn't have in BW. Ghetsis will try to control the beast and it will backfire big time.

Could it be possible that Ghetsis tries to control one of the mascots but instead something massive happens and creates another forme (the other mascot - depending on which game you have)? Or am I just thinking too deep here?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2012 12:29 PM

Maybe Kyurem's essense was ripped into two and the halfs took control of the two new dragons (maybe explaining why they're "new pocket monsters")
The BW starter town could be where one meet's the old player and battle's them?!

Tachikaze February 26th, 2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7063541)

Could it be possible that Ghetsis tries to control one of the mascots but instead something massive happens and creates another forme (the other mascot - depending on which game you have)? Or am I just thinking too deep here?

It could be similar to RSE where Archie and Maxie's meddling created the giant castastrophe in Sootopolis with all three legends present. I think Ghetsis will probably end up doing the same thing, and whther intentionally or unintentionally, he'll bring about Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem's giant battle and unification or whatnot.

But now that I think about it some more, I think it might be simpler than that. Have Reshiram and Zekrom in your party and use the God Stone on Kyurem = Perfect form. I don't even know now. XD

blue February 26th, 2012 12:36 PM

Well that would be a hint at remakes but, like I say there is too many ways this story could spin out, I think we need some more information.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2012 12:36 PM

Maybe Ghetsis at the start of the game somehow get's a hold of the trio and tries to combine them but it goes terribly wrong and they flee. Then he might try to recapture them and try again.

PaxAmericana February 26th, 2012 1:32 PM

What if a new main character could be the younger sibling of the main character?

Boarbeque February 26th, 2012 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Reshiram Man (Post 7063638)
What if a new main character could be the younger sibling of the main character?

I have a feeling that BW2 are BW in about 30 years or so. Ghetsis and N return, Unova is expanded, and you are the son of the previous hero. Could even be the grandson, but that would mean about 60 years later. Who knows.

chaos11011 February 26th, 2012 1:40 PM

WALL OF TEXT COMING UP!

My guess is that instead of Elesa bringing down the drawbridge to fight Clay after you beat her (assuming we have the same Leaders), you go towards Black City/White Forest and fight a new Gym Leader there (My guess that it's a Steel reason, for reason's you will see later on). Then you go to Undella Town to fight the 6th Gym over there (Rock Gym) and then going towards Laconosa(?) Town, next to the Giant Chasm, the N catching Kyurem event will activate ( Dragon Spiral Tower event) and then you fight the Poison Leader (who uses Zoroark) then you go to the league as normal.

Now, wait, how did N get his Champion Team? He liberated the Pokemon from two of our new Gym Leaders! Steel Leader's Klink, Rock Leader's two Fossil Pokemon. The reason why the Poison Leader is using a Zoroark as he is secretely intertwined with Team Plasma, and uses Zoroark + Kyurem Night Time Myth to prevent the people of Lacunosa Town from interfeering with N's capture.

Of course, the routes leading to the new gyms will be longer. But wait, where does the new Kyurem Form come into play? Champion Hilda/Hilbert will come to the rescue with Reshiram (White2/Hilda) and Zekerom (Black2/Hilbert) depending on your version. They will battle N, stalling him long enough for you to get one of the Legendary Muskeeters to assist you in battle (Serperior/Cobalion) (Emboar/Terrakion) (Samurott/Virizion). Unfortunately, the battle between the Champion and N backfired, and caused Kyurem to fuse because of the climax of the battle. The Pokemon League is now destroyed, so you meet back in Nimbasa City with the gang.

Then, the Champ, Professor Juniper with her new assistant Bianca and Cheren come to talk to you. They talk about how the God Stone is the only way to restore balance, and since the route to Opelucid -> Dragon Spiral Tower is now destroyed, you are forced to take the Drawbridge. You go fight Clay, Skyla and Brycen and get the God Stone, though, not before having a battle and catching Reshiram/Zekerom first (The one Hilbert/Hilda didn't have) you catch him, return to the League and fight N. You must KO his Black/White Kyurem to activate the cutscene that the God Stone reverts his Kyurem to normal (N will now have a Team of 6 and you must defeat him in a double battle with Kyurem + Legend leading off) After the battle, post game you can rechallenge the league and go to the Battle Amusement Park (Cheren is now a Amusement Park Brain), find Kyurem if you want and fuse him with your Legendary Tao Dragon.

Oh noticed something? With your 10 (Cillan/Chilli/Cress) Gym Leaders, 3 new Leaders and the Elite Four, you now have all of the Elemental Types covered in Boss Fights!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2012 1:52 PM

^That sounds good but maybe someone else takes N's place, maybe Ghetsis calls upon the triad to take up N's role and capture the three dragon's (reclaim the one Hilda/Hilbert had and the one N took and Kyurem) but only suceed in getting two of the three. They fuse the two to create our mascot which attacks team Plasma and flees causing Chaos in Unova.

Mista T February 26th, 2012 2:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Reshiram Man (Post 7063638)
What if a new main character could be the younger sibling of the main character?

Nah, the protagonists of Black and White are 16 with no announced sibling. Even if the sibling was born right after Black and White (and there doesn't seem to be a dad around) 16 years is quite the gap in age. However, I'm being a tad hypocritical, as my sister's age and mine also differ by sixteen years.

wombateiro February 26th, 2012 2:20 PM

It could be something like this:
After B/W events Zekrom and Reshiram have been released by B/W protagonist and N.
During the game new protagonist will learn about new legend saying that when Zekrom and Reshiram are both at the same time close to God Stone they will fuse into perfect Kyurem form. Ghetsis will know that too...
During the game player will catch Zekrom or Reshiram (depending on version) while Ghetsis will catch the other dragon. Ghetsis will also obtain God Stone. He will want to steal Zekrom or Reshiram from player in order to create perfect Kyurem. There will be battle between player and Ghetsis. After Ghetsis is beaten he will flee, leaving God Stone near to player and player's dragon. Because of that player's dragon will fuse with God Stone into it's new form, making God Stone impossible to fuse with other dragon.

Moral of the story - perfection (perfect Kyurem's form) will never be created when people are fighting, trying to get as much they can only for their side - Ghetsis and player divided dragons between each other, making them unable to fuse into perfect Kyurem.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2012 2:29 PM

^ I think that the old Player character might still have have her/his dragon which will explain why they aren't complete.
Maybe they can have an event in which if the player transfer's their dragon to B2 for example (you need Reshiram from Black) it'll trigger the complete form...or maybe by transfering the one from the event since event pokemon triggered things in BW why not in B2W2?

Also a child of the player seems odd...I'll much rather have a new player character who later changes the old character like with Red in GS.

bwburke94 February 26th, 2012 2:51 PM

All I know is that the God Stone exists for a reason. We have to come up with the rest on our own for now...

blue February 26th, 2012 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 7063751)
All I know is that the God Stone exists for a reason. We have to come up with the rest on our own for now...

Yeah, I'm sure the God Stone will have some sort of purpose in these games which will be linked to Kyurem.

Tachikaze February 26th, 2012 3:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7063770)


Yeah, I'm sure the God Stone will have some sort of purpose in these games which will be linked to Kyurem.

And I think the God Stone being used to unify the beasts makes the most sense.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2012 4:16 PM

We really need more info, I want to see a scan of the unova region to see if they changed anything (aka if this really is a sequel). And if we got new player characters...and if we did where do you think the old ones went to?

scprepschool February 26th, 2012 4:41 PM

My theory?
Depending on what game you pick it will focus on what dragon N flew away on. Which means that if you pick white 2 than you get black kyurem seeing as how N took reshi in white version... How would you get this fused dragon. Kyurem being somewhat of a bully recognizes that reshirams/zekroms energy has disapeared to somewhere far far away and so it sets out to devour the remaining dragon, seeing as how it could handel one but not 2 in combat. You the protagonist arrive in iccarus to seee about the trouble at the dragon spiral ruins. You delve down deep into the maze of tunnels made by golet amd excadrill in the years passed since the towers collapse, only two find zekrom in a brutal fight with kyurem, N feels that the only way he can pay back unova is to finally disgard the name harmonia amd meddle with natural balance so he arrives with reshi/ zek. The combined fusion attacks leave two forms of kyu, by only taking half of zek and resh. Leaving the yin yamg dragon amd the two black and white kyus, the complete reshizek wreaks havoc s uou and N take one form of kyu a peice and GO TO stop it, where you meet alder at his brothers grave beneath the statue at the pokemon league you and N double batttle the ying yang reshizek and then the storyline contiues with resi and zek splittting again leaving you with 3 forms of kyu and reshi and zek back to their respectivr single forma

Xander Olivieri February 26th, 2012 6:34 PM

Well, no they don't HAVE to use the God Stone. They are well known for leaving in items next generation over just to keep the code in, Nearly all the Special Trade Items from Gold and Silver were removed. (Talkin about Brick Piece, Gold Leaf, Silver Leaf) I believe Beserk Gene was removed in Generation 2. Apricorns were removed until Generation 4, and partially removed again in Generation 5. I believe their code still exists in the games but you cannot do anything with them as there is no place to use them anymore. There is also Shoal Salt and Shoal Shells which make a new appearance as Sellable Items only. They were in Gen 4 as useless items.

God Stone can be the original design for Dark and Light Stones, it just wasn't removed after being made into two separate items. It may not exist in the new games.

blue February 26th, 2012 6:40 PM

I bet when the first screen is leaked it will be, again something very unexpected.. I really can't see how they're going to work this right now.

Railgun February 26th, 2012 8:27 PM

I wonder if Bianca is champion in one game and Cheren is champ in the other.

I also wonder if this will be the bridge that forms 3DS Pokemon games. Maybe they wanted to change the style from what it is to something like the Dragon Quest Ds games where there is more of an open world and large character models.

Raichupacabra February 27th, 2012 12:04 AM

I came up with the most wizard plot ever, well in my opinion it is.

So you start off as an ordinary kid living in Mistralton City. One day, Professor Bianca Lilac (?) comes to town to visit her close friends, your dad Hilbert, who was the protagonist of the first game. She happens to bring some of her Pokemon, which happen to be Snivy, Tepig, and Oshawott. She asks you if you want to start on your very own Pokemon journey. You pick your starter when the TV starts reporting that a mysterious man with green hair is terrorizing another region with a Dragon Pokemon. Your dad instantly remembers who this but can't do anything due to not having Pokemon anymore. Your dad, being as wizard as he is, lets you fly to the neighboring region (an all new one but with mixed generations of Pokemon). So since this is in the future, there are now passenger planes along with the cargo plane. When you arrive you instantly meet a man in skinny jeans and glasses. He tells you some vague stuff about his own past and how he always wanted power. He then leaves and you finally start on your journey. Soon, you are ambushed by Professor Lilac's son, who happened to get the starter who was strong against you. Apparently he was sent there with you to make sure nothing bad happened. After you beat him, he heads off. After this we get the usual - Gyms, Rival Battles, a villainous team named Team Plasma whose goal is to find their master. About Team Plasma; you actually fight the Admins, because 6 of the Sages are either in jail or dead. The Admins are Anthea, Concordia, and the mysterious Shadow Triad. Sometime around the fifth badge you find old green hair and discover his plot, to put people in another dimension, so the world is inhabited by Pokemon only. You discover his backstory and what traumatized him when he was young. More game stuff along with appearances from Cheren. Soon you discover that earlier, Team Plasma found a monster somewhere in east Unova. They tried to alter it but failed leaving it for dead. Green hair soon tested out his dimensional portal with his Dragon BFF right by him and fused them into an even more hideous monster on accident. You battle the monster and when you defeat it, it splits back into two. N releases his Dragon leaving you to fight the monster, Kyurem. You catch it and you get to fight the Elite 4 where surprise, surprise - Cheren is the champion. You beat him and then you could go back to Unova where you do post-game stuff. You also get to fight your Dragon here. You can go to Nacrene City to get the Dark Stone / Light Stone so you can change Kyurem's form. There are improved gym leaders from BW and instead of an Elite Four there is a Champion League where all the Champions (including you) battle one another. I think Cynthia mentioned this? So yeah we get Lance, Wallace, Cynthia, and Alder.

I enjoyed writing this. If only I knew how to ROM Hack.

blue February 27th, 2012 6:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Raichupacabra (Post 7064338)
I came up with the most wizard plot ever, well in my opinion it is.

So you start off as an ordinary kid living in Mistralton City. One day, Professor Bianca Lilac (?) comes to town to visit her close friends, your dad Hilbert, who was the protagonist of the first game. She happens to bring some of her Pokemon, which happen to be Snivy, Tepig, and Oshawott. She asks you if you want to start on your very own Pokemon journey. You pick your starter when the TV starts reporting that a mysterious man with green hair is terrorizing another region with a Dragon Pokemon. Your dad instantly remembers who this but can't do anything due to not having Pokemon anymore. Your dad, being as wizard as he is, lets you fly to the neighboring region (an all new one but with mixed generations of Pokemon). So since this is in the future, there are now passenger planes along with the cargo plane. When you arrive you instantly meet a man in skinny jeans and glasses. He tells you some vague stuff about his own past and how he always wanted power. He then leaves and you finally start on your journey. Soon, you are ambushed by Professor Lilac's son, who happened to get the starter who was strong against you. Apparently he was sent there with you to make sure nothing bad happened. After you beat him, he heads off. After this we get the usual - Gyms, Rival Battles, a villainous team named Team Plasma whose goal is to find their master. About Team Plasma; you actually fight the Admins, because 6 of the Sages are either in jail or dead. The Admins are Anthea, Concordia, and the mysterious Shadow Triad. Sometime around the fifth badge you find old green hair and discover his plot, to put people in another dimension, so the world is inhabited by Pokemon only. You discover his backstory and what traumatized him when he was young. More game stuff along with appearances from Cheren. Soon you discover that earlier, Team Plasma found a monster somewhere in east Unova. They tried to alter it but failed leaving it for dead. Green hair soon tested out his dimensional portal with his Dragon BFF right by him and fused them into an even more hideous monster on accident. You battle the monster and when you defeat it, it splits back into two. N releases his Dragon leaving you to fight the monster, Kyurem. You catch it and you get to fight the Elite 4 where surprise, surprise - Cheren is the champion. You beat him and then you could go back to Unova where you do post-game stuff. You also get to fight your Dragon here. You can go to Nacrene City to get the Dark Stone / Light Stone so you can change Kyurem's form. There are improved gym leaders from BW and instead of an Elite Four there is a Champion League where all the Champions (including you) battle one another. I think Cynthia mentioned this? So yeah we get Lance, Wallace, Cynthia, and Alder.

I enjoyed writing this. If only I knew how to ROM Hack.

That's very interesting and detailed... it would make a good hack too. They may want to refer N to his new name considering it was revealed by Masuda several months back (Natural Harmonia Gropius) I mean... they revealed it for a reason right?


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Originally Posted by AshleyKetchum (Post 7064140)
I wonder if Bianca is champion in one game and Cheren is champ in the other.

I also wonder if this will be the bridge that forms 3DS Pokemon games. Maybe they wanted to change the style from what it is to something like the Dragon Quest Ds games where there is more of an open world and large character models.

I've already said this once but I'd love Bianca to be champ, I remember there was a whole rumor that she was infact the Champion in Black & White.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ February 27th, 2012 7:59 AM

I'd throw in my support for the "Bianca as Champion" campaign. She'd be better than 3-Bug-Type Alder, that's for sure.

I'd really like it if we could return top having our girl characters wear cute outfits instead of revealing ones :P

The Author February 27th, 2012 9:22 AM

I hope that they do something with Harmonia being a protagonist. I thought it'd be awesome if they made Harmonia a rival. ♥

blue February 27th, 2012 9:42 AM

Well it could still be set in Unova but following the leave of N i.e what happened with Team Plasma and the Sages or it could go before all this, either way.. it's going to be interesting.

Esper February 27th, 2012 9:52 AM

The story ought to begin with a recap of what happened in BW, but one in which the you, the player, as a resident of Unova, were present to so it's all from your memory. Something about it inspired you and that's what starts you off on your own adventure.

The player would have some kind of connection to the original plot - possibly a relative to one of the characters, or maybe just that they knew someone from the BW games but they know something that wasn't revealed. Like, they could be Alder's grandchild and know what happened to Alder's old partner.

I'd like it if the story had something altogether new. It would be great if they did a followup on N and Ghetsis, but I'd prefer if that was saved for the post-game with only a few clues here and there. The player ought to have their own story, something to do with healing people's hurt feelings or something like that. I imagine one of the plot points to be some event or Team Evil is causing friction between old friends and allies and you gotta help people get along again for The Greater Good.

I would like for Team Plasma to be the good guys this time, or at least some of the named characters to be there to help you. Of course this only works if you go with a whole plot around reconciliation and helping each other, etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by AshleyKetchum (Post 7064140)
I wonder if Bianca is champion in one game and Cheren is champ in the other.

I like this idea. Maybe not exactly these two as champions because I think they had goals that would lead them elsewhere, but if there were a lot more differences in the games, including different champions, that would be a lot of fun.

The Author February 27th, 2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7064809)
Well it could still be set in Unova but following the leave of N i.e what happened with Team Plasma and the Sages or it could go before all this, either way.. it's going to be interesting.

I could see "The Revenge of Ghetsis" being a key point in the plot. The sages seemed kind of innocent, though. (most of them, anyway)

skyluigi2 February 27th, 2012 10:32 AM

Lacunosa Town
 
So, anyone remember Lacunosa Town? It's the small town just to the right of Opelucid City. Now if recall, Lacunosa Town didn't have much to offer. It had a Pokemon Center, and of course the cool feature of the villagers returning to their homes at night because of the 'monster' (Kyurem). Now as I'm sure you all know by now, Kyurem is the star of Black 2 and White 2.

So what do you think? Will Lacunosa Town see a bigger role in the story now that Kyurem is the main legendary? Personally, it was my favourite town, so I'd like to see it play a more significant role.

blue February 27th, 2012 10:47 AM

I'm sure someone else has speculated this but maybe you take the opposite route from using the Drawbridge and instead go through the Lacunosa Town, it's a possible outcome.

skyluigi2 February 27th, 2012 10:53 AM

That sounds like an interesting idea. So instead of turning left from Nimbasa, you'd go right?
It'd certainly make for a different game. I wonder what order you'd beat the gyms in?

The Author February 27th, 2012 10:53 AM

It will obviously have a bit more importance, but I don't think that Lacunosa Town will be too important, it'll just have a bit more reasoning.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ February 27th, 2012 11:00 AM

I think I mentioned this in another thread, but I don't think Ghetsis can use the "Team Plasma" persona for his comeback... Plasma's already been exposed for what it is.

Therefore, I find it interesting to see what his new organization will be like... what it'll be called, what their purported goal will be, and which of the Triad/Sages will return to his side.

And if the different games have different champions, I'm going after the one with Bianca as champ.

Count February 27th, 2012 4:19 PM

Man they really get us going with our speculations, giving us such little info.

Though unexpected (because pokemon games normally don't have a part 2), I think it makes sense that BW does have a part 2 because the story of BW is very detailed, not to mention the open ending. I mean these new games could have so much in it, showing how things and characters have developed.. Even if it only features Unova, which I think is what we should assume.

I am not going to speculate about the story though. There are too many possibilities right now. I do hope Nintendo uses those possibilities to make something good. I'm pretty excited.

blue February 27th, 2012 4:30 PM

As much as I don't want it to happen I'm kind of supporting the idea of visiting Hoenn.. after all N did fly off to a distant land and that could be it unless it's Kanto or some new (small) area which may not have taken long to develop. For example you may have to team up with N to stop Team Magma & Aqua and I wouldn't really like that but there are many other outcomes, we definitely need more information yet.

Count February 27th, 2012 4:54 PM

I see your point, and I like the idea of a different region playing a role in these games. But it would make no sense.
I'm saying it would make no sense because if it is Hoenn, which is what many people including me would want to see, I doubt there will be an RS remake and the long anticipated RS remakes are inevitable in my opinion.
Now if it isn't Hoenn but a different region it would still confuse me. Though I love the idea it just feels wrong if you think of the usual pattern of the main games and such. I guess it could be some kind of all new yet small region but meh...

UNLESS they are just ditching the whole pattern thing, which is what the 'part 2' games are implying (I mean Gen V would have *at least* 4 games, which is a first). It could be a possibility, seeing as BW was a new start and stuff.

I really have no clue though.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 27th, 2012 5:22 PM

I doubt Hoenn's teams would appear seeing how Bw and B2W2 (if a sequel) take place after they broke up (RSE took place sometime before gen 4's time) if the region were to appear.
I can see a neo Plasma like GS had neo Rocket. Maybe Ghetsis free's the Sages and this time they play more of a role and battle the Player. Maybe they drop more hints about N along the way. Also maybe we see Charon once more (seeing how he was arrested in Pt, he might every well have been in Jail with the Sages)

Tachikaze February 27th, 2012 5:31 PM

N, Ghetsis + Shadow Triad/Sages, as well as the player and the Gym leaders will all collide in a climactic, final battle somewhere in Unova, probably at Dragonspiral Tower. Things will go down, to say the least.

Ultimo1991 February 27th, 2012 5:40 PM

i think that the sages will get rand new sprites as they will battle you the player and also the shadow triad will become admin's under ghestis's command of course. quite possible a battle frontier area where you face all people that have been champions in all of the games so far. and the god stone will have a totally new legend to it that has to do with the new movie^^

Zelda February 27th, 2012 6:00 PM

Really liking Raichupacabra's thinking! However maybe instead of the idea of having Hilbert not have any of his Pokémon anymore, because he's now old and has had his days of a very interesting journey, he would let his son or daughter (you, the protagonist) go out on their very own adventure to try and solve this as well as experience the great Pokémon world!

It would give us a chance to have different protagonists and the games would definitely be considered sequels. Though think how old N/Ghetsis would be by then, if Hilbert were to be a dad or Hilda as the mom. D8 Oh, and so would the Gym Leaders/E4 Members, and a lot of characters would just be old.

Raichupacabra February 27th, 2012 6:17 PM

Thanks. I also have an idea that the Shadow Triad is Cilan, Chili, and Cress.

Ultimo1991 February 27th, 2012 6:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Raichupacabra (Post 7065562)
Thanks. I also have an idea that the Shadow Triad is Cilan, Chili, and Cress.

thats a really great idea as they never come to help and are no where to be seen or heard of while the shadow triad are there

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 27th, 2012 6:59 PM

Gym leader's being villains, fusing pokemon,someone manipulating people , people who want to free pokemon from humans...is it me or does Gen V's plot sound a lot like the Pokespe RGB and Y arcs?

Anyways I don't want to see the previous character's be parents just yet...N's plot has to be explored this generation, possibly by different characters. The character's as mentioned before coule come from a diffrent small town...maybe even Lacusta (or however you spell it) town...imagine a protagonist who lives right across from the main legend but doesn't know it yet...

Keyaki February 27th, 2012 8:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cello (Post 7062377)
Does anybody remember what Cynthia said in B/W?


I want to see this put into action...

That! is what i would like to see. I'd love to see Cynthia against Lance.

As for me, I really don't care I just wanna play already!


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