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New Prefix in BW forum
It's B2/W2 ... this is very ugly in my opinion and it would be much better suited to just be B/W2. Since much of the discussion (understandably) right now is about B/W2... if we changed the prefix to this it might cause less of an eyesore. Is anyone with me on this or am I just acting alone?
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I agree 100%. Funny enough, as a mod of that forum I barely got told that there was going to be a new prefix and it was to be B2/W2. I don't even like the name of the prefix, but when it came to two other people and Forever, they decided upon themselves that this should be the prefix.
Anyway point is, I agree and if anything I would like it to be changed to [B/W2]. |
It's a prefix. It's not like it matters if it looks ugly or whatever as long as you can tell the difference between Black and White threads and Black 2 and White 2 threads. B2/W2 is the official prefix for the games (which Jake was fine with and said people should start calling the games that), and thus we're following that.
It's Black 2 and White 2, not Black White 2, so it actually makes sense, either way. Besides, apparently B2/W2 helps PC in Google's listings (or something along those lines, I can't remember what exactly Jake said), where B/W2 wouldn't. |
Oh but I agree too, it looks out of place and I think the point is not so much the prefix, but also the fact that it was decided without having Kaori involved in it at all, while she is a partner moderator of BW. Even if B2/W2 is the official and the most convenient name, thinks like this should still be discussed with Kaori as well. Even if administrators already approve of something it should still be told her as well, not just do it and expect her to just be alright with it. She might as well not mod this place fgs if dicisions are going to be behind her back and not involve her. I know this is something minor but it's about the principal of the matter etc.
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I understand where Jake is coming from, but just because he says one thing, doesn't mean everyone is going to follow what he says nor do they have to. It's far more complicated for members to say Pokémon Black 2 and Pokémon White 2 compared to having to simply say Pokémon Black and White 2 (which a majority of members are already saying anyway). They both mean the same thing, however the latter is a far more simpler term and easier for members to use. Which is why I think [B/W2] is a much more suitable prefix to use in our forum.
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[B&W2]
Both previous suggestions are unclean and messy to me. I recommend this. I also don't think we need more google advertising, we're already top when you search for Pokemon forums. |
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WHAT GAVIN SAID OK |
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@Yoshi: Kaori was told of the decision, it actually occurred while she was there and Jake explained everything.
People can still call it Black and White 2 but the fact of the matter is that it's the official name. Why go for an unofficial name just because it looks better? The games are officially called Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. And thus we should be following that. People can call it what they want but it's the improper way. You're buying Black 2 or White 2. You're not buying Black or White 2. |
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Every other game didn't have a 2 at the end of it.
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That... doesn't change the fact that it should be uniform. O_o
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Also, we're not talking about what looks better, but the fact that it's far more proficient and easier to say "Black and White 2" than having to say "Black 2 and White 2" which means the exact same thing, except the former is a much simpler way of saying it. So, neither of them is improper as you say. That being said, I wouldn't mind Gavin's prefix suggestion. |
It's the same as saying the 'on- and off button', you don't say 'the on-button and the off-button'.There is a way of saying that if you are speaking of two things that both end in the same, and it's no different with these games. Seperately you say them like Black 2, and the other game White 2. When you speak of them together it's 'Black and White 2'. It's just the correct way of saying those sort of things lol.
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I don't think anyone has said it better than Yoshikkko's post right here. Since this prefix is suppose to specify the discussion of both games and not just one in particular, then the proper prefix to use is [B&W2] as Gavin proposed earlier. There really isn't much else to say other than that in my opinion. |
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[22:01] <@Forever> OH BTW SOTOMURA [22:01] <@Forever> CAN WE HAVE PREFIXES [22:01] <@Forever> EVETUALLY [22:01] <@Forever> FOR BW2 AND BW [22:02] <@Forever> or now even [22:02] <~Sotomura> I was thinking of a B2/W2 prefix ... [22:04] <%foreverleftoutmod> why cant we [22:04] <%foreverleftoutmod> ask kaori too ... [22:06] <~Sotomura> There [22:06] <~Sotomura> It's a special prefix [22:06] <%foreverleftoutmod> oh i forgot to say [22:06] * NatesterTheSecond is now known as Natester [22:06] <%foreverleftoutmod> I DONT EXIST ---- So you were there, but instead of taking the initiative to state your opinion as Nica did up there requesting the prefix, you chose to not say anything unless you were directly asked your opinion, so you ended up not saying anything at all. As far as the prefix, I don't think it really matters one way or the other. I personally think B2/W2 looks nicer, so it's just a matter of taste. I feel like B/W2 is unbalanced and asymmetrical, haha. Both are usable and grammatically correct in their own way. But out of the people that matter in making the prefix, one mod like B2/W2, the other likes B/W2 or B&W2 (not sure which you're advocating), and the admin that made it likes B2/W2, so it tips it in favor of that one. @Pagerank: We don't have anything about Black 2 and White 2 yet so having them there written out does add to our Pagerank and helps us get higher when those terms are searched for. We already rank high in terms like "Pokemon forum" but we have nothing that makes us rank high in "Black 2 White 2", so our rank in another set of search terms is irrelevant. |
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It's same thing if you say Pokemon Black and White. The same argument (and logic tbh) can be presented here, the fact is, both Black and White have Pokemon in their names. But you still call them Pokemon Black and White, no? Not Pokemon Black and Pokemon White (at least, most people near me use the former, and not the latter. I'm assuming others do the same as well). So yeah I like the [B&W2] Prefix more. |
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Anyway I agree with DeepImpact, Yoshiko's post pretty much sums things up and it would be nice to have the prefix be [B&W2]. |
First I was like "Meh, it's just one prefix." but then I realized how interesting this topic is when I scrolled all the way down. Personally I like [B/W2] more than [B2/W2] because it sounds so good compared to [B2/W2]. Like Yoshi said, you don't say Black 2 and White 2, it sounds horrible. [B2/W2] might be the official but what about then when other members wants the other prefix? Post comments came back because members wanted them to come back. Members are also viewing this forum, not just a staff, so in this case [B2/W2] would be much better. It's just my opinion.
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[22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> i want B/W & B2/W2 [22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> because like [22:07] <@Forever> yeah I want BW too [22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> i just want b/w for weekly polls [22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> i hate the 2 geez i dont even want b2w2 lol [22:07] <@Forever> okay yeah B/W [22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> thats so annoying [22:07] <@Forever> wow jake [22:07] <@Forever> that doesnt look pretty [22:07] <@Forever> ;; [22:08] <@Forever> WHY CANT WE JUST HAVE B2/W2 ;; [22:08] <@Forever> if so you could just go [22:08] <%foreverleftoutmod> why cant we just have bw ... [22:08] <@Forever> OH [22:08] <@Forever> HE DID IT [22:08] <@Forever> YES [22:08] <%foreverleftoutmod> what are we doing [22:08] <@Forever> 10/10 FOR YOU [22:08] <%foreverleftoutmod> lol [22:09] * Usagi-Chan , THE GREAT MOON PRINCESS CRYSTAL TOKYO QUEEN WHO IS A GUY HAS SPOKEN! AND SO IT IS LAW! [22:09] <%Toujours> he did what [22:09] <Usagi-Chan> I thought B2/W2 looked nice [22:09] <@Forever> HE DID B2/W2 [22:09] <@Forever> :333 [22:09] <%foreverleftoutmod> I LIKE HOW I DONT EXIST [22:09] <@Forever> kaori you suggested ... [22:10] <%foreverleftoutmod> i suggested and everyone ignored duh [22:10] <%foreverleftoutmod> the word compromise doesnt exist anymore ... [22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> this is worse [22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> there's more 2's [22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> yay for messing with my mind [22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> why not just BW2 ---- Five minutes after the actual discussion and what was actually done, after saying you wanted B2/W2, then you suggested it. And it wasn't because you weren't there, that was an outright lie from you, because I just proved you were there. You can ask anyone with logs, these are exact quotes and times from them. It didn't take you five minutes to type out the line "why not just BW2", you just chose not to express your opinion until after it had already been decided. You weren't talked over and ignored, you chose to not say anything consciously until it had already been created. Like I said, in the end the opinions that matter are the two moderators of the section and the admin that made the prefix, and if you take only those opinions into account it's 2/3 B2/W2, 1/3 B&W2. If the two moderators don't agree on something, isn't the automatic result to take it to a higher staff member to see what they agree with? You guys were discussing with a higher staff member at the time and he expressed his opinion, therefore breaking the tie. I see no reason beyond your own personal preference for someone to go change it again, which is in all honesty a really silly reason to change it, because some people think it looks ugly. It's not incorrect language, it's not offensive, there's really no reason to change it other than "I think it looks ugly". Also @Black and White: The site doesn't even say "Pokemon Black and White" anywhere, just Black and White. So that's completely irrelevant, since it's not mentioned on the forums at all ever. |
Only at PC can a massive debate break out over some as small as a prefix, haha. :D
I'm stuck between [B/W2] and [B&W2]. I like them both! :< |
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When I came back I was pretty much confused. I was like "Are they putting B2/W2 as a prefix and getting rid of the BW prefix, what??". That's why I stated but I want both! Then I started thinking "Wait what, what's B2W2 for?". Jake had already made it by the time I knew what in the world was going on. Which is then why I said but B/W2 is better and I'd like that instead. Honestly the whole thing could have been thought out more. :\ I just want the new prefix to be [B&W2]. Nothing wrong with changing it, especially if members are agreeing with me here. |
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Also: You said (direct quote) "I came back after it was pretty much decided". Except you were there. You spoke in the middle of the conversation, immediately after the conversation, 1 minute after, 2 minutes after, 3 minutes after, 4 minutes after, and then 5 minutes after when you finally decided to say something. That's a fact, look at the logs. If you're speaking once a minute, you're not away from the computer. You were there and reading. |
[B&W2] makes sense and looks more appealing than [B2/W2]. Not that hard.
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Honestly, [B&W2] looks the best, and yeah the games are called Black 2 and White 2, but also - everyone knows that. The prefix doesn't have to be completely perfect, because people will get the idea, and it's obvious that's two games, and they're each the second version. In threads people can separate their names B2 / W2, but for the prefix, IMO it just looks better to keep it B&W2 even if it's somewhat incorrect. People get the basic idea.
/my two cents Edit: Also, guys, looking over this entire thread - please don't turn this into an argument. A thread prefix isn't worth getting upset over, okay? :/ I don't want to have to close the thread. |
I don't see a problem with changing it if the other BW mod and lots of other members agree with how the other option ([B&W2] or whatever if you wanna be correct) just looks better and more convenient.
It doesn't even matter in the end when or how it was decided, the point is imo that Kaori feels like she was partially left out of the decision and this is not the first time she feels like she has almost no input on what happens in the BW section, while being a mod there. |
The point is, b/w2 just looks untidy, despite the fact that people know what it is. Thus, adding what I suggested being [B&W2] is more readable, and less confusing when you're flicking through new posts or the B&W forum. Since the less numbers and symbols you have in a prefix, the better. Who cares what everyone else is doing, if the members prefer [B&W2], then do it.
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Maybe make a poll in the B/W section to see which one wins out? Then the opinions of the B/W regulars that aren't also CQF regulars could be gauged and whichever one wins, wins.
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Well I agree with the poll I guess, would it be possible to like transfer this and add a poll to it then, so that members can read what was previously suggested and the arguments and all that or idk how it works lol.
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[B2/W2] isn't that appealing of a prefix imho; I'd much more prefer Abnegation's [B&W2] alternative. The combination of those double 2's and the slash make it a little rough on my eyes.
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I think it should be a sub forum so people who just want to talk about B/W 1 can talk about them without going though pages of B2/W2 threads
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My biggest issue with a B&W2 prefix is that it may confuse people on what to Google to get info about the games, as there is already a game out there by another studio called Black & White 2: http://lionhead.com/Games/BW2/Default.aspx
That and I actually think B&W2 is a hideous and grossly inaccurate prefix that makes me think of the game I mentioned above, not of any Pokemon games. |
I personally prefer B2&W2 (or B2/W2 for consistency) because it's the actual name of the games and it's much easier to tell apart from B/W than B/W2 at a single glance.
My two cents. |
I like B2/W2 better. ;w;
If I am scrolling by fast like I usually am, B/W2 looks just like B/W... and it creates the idea that the title for the "game" is Black & White 2... B2/W2 specifies it's two separate games, and they both have 2 at the end... |
Pretty sure this has been said before, but prefixes shouldn't be made to look appealing and/or tidy. The prefix should be simple and something anyone can recognize quickly, therefore i'm for [B2/W2] or [B2&W2]. Although, [B&W2] is convenient, the first two work just as well, and it helps with consistency.
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So when the games release, and people want to make a thread taking about one certain version, will there be split prefixes? [B2] [W2]?
Or will people just have to slosh through threads, and hope that one of them covers the version they're wanting? If that's a thing.. then, it kinda makes sense to have the prefix as [B2&W2] (or / ), until that point. Just sayin'. I still think that B&W2 looks the best, but really, it's a prefix and it doesn't need to be a huge deal. No one's going to march off and leave PC if they dislike the way a thread prefix looks. |
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Doubt anybody will be making a thread on just one version unless they majorly differ, since for Black and White and other gaming forums at the release, they've made a thread to cover both. For example, Opelucid City (they are designed differently and have different music, so purely aesthetic), Black City/White Forest (the major difference? one = you could battle trainers, other = you could catch Pokemon, same concept but different results), etc. Besides if they're -too- different, then another forum will probably be made rather than actually just having prefixes. Black and White was meant to be the game with the major differences anyway, and considering they didn't have that many, I think it's safe to say that a thread covering the specific version difference instead of the specific version would lead to a lot more discussion. And really, unless Black 2 has a completely different storyline to White 2, then I doubt there's much that could differ enough to need that. |
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But, are we seriously concerned about our Google listing at this point? :P |
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Furthermore, searching "Black and White 2" has no relevance to this prefix, since we're not changing it to that. So to finish my point, no, google stats aren't going to matter in choosing a prefix. Because if I search [b/w2] I get a result for Chinese Wholesale. So that whole google result issue is nonsensical. |
Whoa...so much discussion over a prefix... :<
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Didn't know about the "LG/FR" notation being the official abbreviations for FireRed and LeafGreen... Weird; nearly every FR/LG media I've seen has positioned "FireRed/FR" in front of "LeafGreen/LG" in notation. :x Additionally, I know that Diamond/Pearl/Platinum are usually abbreviated as DPPt, but I've seen some places like the Pokemon TCG opting for DPt instead, omitting the second "P". (IIRC, DPPt is just as official as DPt, so that doesn't really make a difference...) Aesthetically (which really shouldn't come into play IMO, but is a factor nonetheless), I feel that B2/W2 looks more straightforward and more "symmetrical" than B/W2. I don't think the ampersand should be used, or else it will look inconsistent with the other subforums' prefixes. |
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The Japanese site uses it as the official abbreviation in their URL. The US just has "pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2", although you can tell they're being official, with the version and "pokemon" next to both. Edit: Fun fact, if you search "b2w2 Pokemon", PC is the first-second result. We don't show up on bw2 at all. If we switch it then most likely we'd lose that ranking for b2w2, the official acronym...for aesthetics. |
I'm going to close this. Toujours pretty much summed it all up, especially with linking to the official site that uses the acronyms that we're using now for the prefix. This thread is going to follow the same suit that it's been in since it's been opened - senseless debating.
The prefix isn't going to be getting changed, sorry. |
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