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Cordelia February 26th, 2012 7:20 AM

New Prefix in BW forum
 
It's B2/W2 ... this is very ugly in my opinion and it would be much better suited to just be B/W2. Since much of the discussion (understandably) right now is about B/W2... if we changed the prefix to this it might cause less of an eyesore. Is anyone with me on this or am I just acting alone?

Thanks!

Zelda February 26th, 2012 7:26 AM

I agree 100%. Funny enough, as a mod of that forum I barely got told that there was going to be a new prefix and it was to be B2/W2. I don't even like the name of the prefix, but when it came to two other people and Forever, they decided upon themselves that this should be the prefix.

Anyway point is, I agree and if anything I would like it to be changed to [B/W2].

Ho-Oh February 26th, 2012 7:33 AM

It's a prefix. It's not like it matters if it looks ugly or whatever as long as you can tell the difference between Black and White threads and Black 2 and White 2 threads. B2/W2 is the official prefix for the games (which Jake was fine with and said people should start calling the games that), and thus we're following that.

It's Black 2 and White 2, not Black White 2, so it actually makes sense, either way.

Besides, apparently B2/W2 helps PC in Google's listings (or something along those lines, I can't remember what exactly Jake said), where B/W2 wouldn't.

Yoshikko February 26th, 2012 7:49 AM

Oh but I agree too, it looks out of place and I think the point is not so much the prefix, but also the fact that it was decided without having Kaori involved in it at all, while she is a partner moderator of BW. Even if B2/W2 is the official and the most convenient name, thinks like this should still be discussed with Kaori as well. Even if administrators already approve of something it should still be told her as well, not just do it and expect her to just be alright with it. She might as well not mod this place fgs if dicisions are going to be behind her back and not involve her. I know this is something minor but it's about the principal of the matter etc.

Zelda February 26th, 2012 7:53 AM

I understand where Jake is coming from, but just because he says one thing, doesn't mean everyone is going to follow what he says nor do they have to. It's far more complicated for members to say Pokémon Black 2 and Pokémon White 2 compared to having to simply say Pokémon Black and White 2 (which a majority of members are already saying anyway). They both mean the same thing, however the latter is a far more simpler term and easier for members to use. Which is why I think [B/W2] is a much more suitable prefix to use in our forum.

seeker February 26th, 2012 7:56 AM

[B&W2]
Both previous suggestions are unclean and messy to me. I recommend this. I also don't think we need more google advertising, we're already top when you search for Pokemon forums.

Yoshikko February 26th, 2012 8:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7063168)
I understand where Jake is coming from, but just because he says one thing, doesn't mean everyone is going to follow what he says nor do they have to. It's far more complicated for members to say Pokémon Black 2 and Pokémon White 2 compared to having to simply say Pokémon Black and White 2 (which a majority of members are already saying anyway). They both mean the same thing, however the latter is a far more simpler term and easier for members to use. Which is why I think [B/W2] is a much more suitable prefix to use in our forum.

In addition to that it's not pronounced 'Black White 2' but 'Black- and White 2', which makes more sense than 'Black 2 and White 2'. You don't say that irl either, you say B&W2, because you're not talking about seperate games but about both of them together.


WHAT GAVIN SAID OK

Cordelia February 26th, 2012 8:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnegation (Post 7063171)
[B&W2]
Both previous suggestions are unclean and messy to me. I recommend this. I also don't think we need more google advertising, we're already top when you search for Pokemon forums.

I agree with this, [B&W2] is quite clean and nice :D

Ho-Oh February 26th, 2012 8:02 AM

@Yoshi: Kaori was told of the decision, it actually occurred while she was there and Jake explained everything.

People can still call it Black and White 2 but the fact of the matter is that it's the official name. Why go for an unofficial name just because it looks better?

The games are officially called Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. And thus we should be following that. People can call it what they want but it's the improper way.

You're buying Black 2 or White 2. You're not buying Black or White 2.

Nick February 26th, 2012 8:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7063180)
@Yoshi: Kaori was told of the decision, it actually occurred while she was there and Jake explained everything.

People can still call it Black and White 2 but the fact of the matter is that it's the official name. Why go for an unofficial name just because it looks better?

The games are officially called Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. And thus we should be following that. People can call it what they want but it's the improper way.

You're buying Black 2 or White 2. You're not buying Black or White 2.

This is what was going through my mind reading this thread. The games are called Black 2 and White 2, so I think the prefix should stay as-is. Using & instead of / would be nice, but every other game prefix uses a / instead of & as it is (HG/SS, P/P/Pt), so that wouldn't make much sense.

seeker February 26th, 2012 8:09 AM

Every other game didn't have a 2 at the end of it.

Nick February 26th, 2012 8:10 AM

That... doesn't change the fact that it should be uniform. O_o

Zelda February 26th, 2012 8:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7063180)
@Yoshi: Kaori was told of the decision, it actually occurred while she was there and Jake explained everything.

People can still call it Black and White 2 but the fact of the matter is that it's the official name. Why go for an unofficial name just because it looks better?

The games are officially called Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. And thus we should be following that. People can call it what they want but it's the improper way.

You're buying Black 2 or White 2. You're not buying Black or White 2.

Actually, I was away from the computer at the time of the discussion. I came back after it was pretty much decided, voiced my opinion, but the prefix was already made.

Also, we're not talking about what looks better, but the fact that it's far more proficient and easier to say "Black and White 2" than having to say "Black 2 and White 2" which means the exact same thing, except the former is a much simpler way of saying it. So, neither of them is improper as you say.

That being said, I wouldn't mind Gavin's prefix suggestion.

Yoshikko February 26th, 2012 8:17 AM

It's the same as saying the 'on- and off button', you don't say 'the on-button and the off-button'.There is a way of saying that if you are speaking of two things that both end in the same, and it's no different with these games. Seperately you say them like Black 2, and the other game White 2. When you speak of them together it's 'Black and White 2'. It's just the correct way of saying those sort of things lol.

STOP NINJAING KAOR!!

Guy February 26th, 2012 8:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikkko (Post 7063205)
It's the same as saying the 'on- and off button', you don't say 'the on-button and the off-button'.There is a way of saying that if you are speaking of two things that both end in the same, and it's no different with these games. Seperately you say them like Black 2, and the other game White 2. When you speak of them together it's 'Black and White 2'. It's just the correct way of saying those sort of things lol.

STOP NINJAING KAOR!!

...and that my darlings is how the English language works.

I don't think anyone has said it better than Yoshikkko's post right here. Since this prefix is suppose to specify the discussion of both games and not just one in particular, then the proper prefix to use is [B&W2] as Gavin proposed earlier. There really isn't much else to say other than that in my opinion.

Oryx February 26th, 2012 9:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7063199)

Actually, I was away from the computer at the time of the discussion. I came back after it was pretty much decided, voiced my opinion, but the prefix was already made.

Also, we're not talking about what looks better, but the fact that it's far more proficient and easier to say "Black and White 2" than having to say "Black 2 and White 2" which means the exact same thing, except the former is a much simpler way of saying it. So, neither of them is improper as you say.

That being said, I wouldn't mind Gavin's prefix suggestion.

Looking back on the logs, you were there, just not actually expressing your opinion (you spoke in the middle of the conversation, but only to say you weren't there/didn't exist instead of actually contributing to the conversation).

[22:01] <@Forever> OH BTW SOTOMURA
[22:01] <@Forever> CAN WE HAVE PREFIXES
[22:01] <@Forever> EVETUALLY
[22:01] <@Forever> FOR BW2 AND BW
[22:02] <@Forever> or now even
[22:02] <~Sotomura> I was thinking of a B2/W2 prefix
...
[22:04] <%foreverleftoutmod> why cant we
[22:04] <%foreverleftoutmod> ask kaori too
...
[22:06] <~Sotomura> There
[22:06] <~Sotomura> It's a special prefix
[22:06] <%foreverleftoutmod> oh i forgot to say
[22:06] * NatesterTheSecond is now known as Natester
[22:06] <%foreverleftoutmod> I DONT EXIST

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So you were there, but instead of taking the initiative to state your opinion as Nica did up there requesting the prefix, you chose to not say anything unless you were directly asked your opinion, so you ended up not saying anything at all.

As far as the prefix, I don't think it really matters one way or the other. I personally think B2/W2 looks nicer, so it's just a matter of taste. I feel like B/W2 is unbalanced and asymmetrical, haha. Both are usable and grammatically correct in their own way. But out of the people that matter in making the prefix, one mod like B2/W2, the other likes B/W2 or B&W2 (not sure which you're advocating), and the admin that made it likes B2/W2, so it tips it in favor of that one.

@Pagerank: We don't have anything about Black 2 and White 2 yet so having them there written out does add to our Pagerank and helps us get higher when those terms are searched for. We already rank high in terms like "Pokemon forum" but we have nothing that makes us rank high in "Black 2 White 2", so our rank in another set of search terms is irrelevant.

Karma Police February 26th, 2012 9:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikkko (Post 7063205)
It's the same as saying the 'on- and off button', you don't say 'the on-button and the off-button'.There is a way of saying that if you are speaking of two things that both end in the same, and it's no different with these games. Seperately you say them like Black 2, and the other game White 2. When you speak of them together it's 'Black and White 2'. It's just the correct way of saying those sort of things lol.

STOP NINJAING KAOR!!

THIS. This simply summed up everything lol. Usually when you are saying things like this you simply use the common word only once.

It's same thing if you say Pokemon Black and White. The same argument (and logic tbh) can be presented here, the fact is, both Black and White have Pokemon in their names. But you still call them Pokemon Black and White, no? Not Pokemon Black and Pokemon White (at least, most people near me use the former, and not the latter. I'm assuming others do the same as well).

So yeah I like the [B&W2] Prefix more.

Zelda February 26th, 2012 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7063313)
tldr stuff

Why leave out the part where I said "I actually like [B/W2] better"? Instead of discussing it out more, Jake proceeded to go ahead and do what you guys already discussed, I only came in too late.

Anyway I agree with DeepImpact, Yoshiko's post pretty much sums things up and it would be nice to have the prefix be [B&W2].

Blizz February 26th, 2012 10:37 AM

First I was like "Meh, it's just one prefix." but then I realized how interesting this topic is when I scrolled all the way down. Personally I like [B/W2] more than [B2/W2] because it sounds so good compared to [B2/W2]. Like Yoshi said, you don't say Black 2 and White 2, it sounds horrible. [B2/W2] might be the official but what about then when other members wants the other prefix? Post comments came back because members wanted them to come back. Members are also viewing this forum, not just a staff, so in this case [B2/W2] would be much better. It's just my opinion.

Oryx February 26th, 2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7063327)

Why leave out the part where I said "I actually like [B/W2] better"? Instead of discussing it out more, Jake proceeded to go ahead and do what you guys already discussed, I only came in too late.

Anyway I agree with DeepImpact, Yoshiko's post pretty much sums things up and it would be nice to have the prefix be [B&W2].

You didn't say that when the discussion was happening. In fact, these are all the things you said afterwards, in order:

[22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> i want B/W & B2/W2
[22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> because like
[22:07] <@Forever> yeah I want BW too
[22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> i just want b/w for weekly polls
[22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> i hate the 2 geez i dont even want b2w2 lol
[22:07] <@Forever> okay yeah B/W
[22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> thats so annoying
[22:07] <@Forever> wow jake
[22:07] <@Forever> that doesnt look pretty
[22:07] <@Forever> ;;
[22:08] <@Forever> WHY CANT WE JUST HAVE B2/W2 ;;
[22:08] <@Forever> if so you could just go
[22:08] <%foreverleftoutmod> why cant we just have bw

...

[22:08] <@Forever> OH
[22:08] <@Forever> HE DID IT
[22:08] <@Forever> YES
[22:08] <%foreverleftoutmod> what are we doing
[22:08] <@Forever> 10/10 FOR YOU
[22:08] <%foreverleftoutmod> lol
[22:09] * Usagi-Chan , THE GREAT MOON PRINCESS CRYSTAL TOKYO QUEEN WHO IS A GUY HAS SPOKEN! AND SO IT IS LAW!
[22:09] <%Toujours> he did what
[22:09] <Usagi-Chan> I thought B2/W2 looked nice
[22:09] <@Forever> HE DID B2/W2
[22:09] <@Forever> :333
[22:09] <%foreverleftoutmod> I LIKE HOW I DONT EXIST
[22:09] <@Forever> kaori you suggested

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[22:10] <%foreverleftoutmod> i suggested and everyone ignored duh
[22:10] <%foreverleftoutmod> the word compromise doesnt exist anymore

...

[22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> this is worse
[22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> there's more 2's
[22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> yay for messing with my mind
[22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> why not just BW2

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Five minutes after the actual discussion and what was actually done, after saying you wanted B2/W2, then you suggested it. And it wasn't because you weren't there, that was an outright lie from you, because I just proved you were there. You can ask anyone with logs, these are exact quotes and times from them. It didn't take you five minutes to type out the line "why not just BW2", you just chose not to express your opinion until after it had already been decided. You weren't talked over and ignored, you chose to not say anything consciously until it had already been created.

Like I said, in the end the opinions that matter are the two moderators of the section and the admin that made the prefix, and if you take only those opinions into account it's 2/3 B2/W2, 1/3 B&W2. If the two moderators don't agree on something, isn't the automatic result to take it to a higher staff member to see what they agree with? You guys were discussing with a higher staff member at the time and he expressed his opinion, therefore breaking the tie. I see no reason beyond your own personal preference for someone to go change it again, which is in all honesty a really silly reason to change it, because some people think it looks ugly. It's not incorrect language, it's not offensive, there's really no reason to change it other than "I think it looks ugly".

Also @Black and White: The site doesn't even say "Pokemon Black and White" anywhere, just Black and White. So that's completely irrelevant, since it's not mentioned on the forums at all ever.

Cello February 26th, 2012 10:42 AM

Only at PC can a massive debate break out over some as small as a prefix, haha. :D

I'm stuck between [B/W2] and [B&W2]. I like them both! :<

Zelda February 26th, 2012 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7063365)
more tldr stuff

I was away, because I was getting coke! Don't tell me I'm a liar. n___n

When I came back I was pretty much confused. I was like "Are they putting B2/W2 as a prefix and getting rid of the BW prefix, what??". That's why I stated but I want both! Then I started thinking "Wait what, what's B2W2 for?". Jake had already made it by the time I knew what in the world was going on. Which is then why I said but B/W2 is better and I'd like that instead. Honestly the whole thing could have been thought out more. :\

I just want the new prefix to be [B&W2]. Nothing wrong with changing it, especially if members are agreeing with me here.

Oryx February 26th, 2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7063383)


I was away, because I was getting coke! Don't tell me I'm a liar. n___n

When I came back I was pretty much confused. I was like "Are they putting B2/W2 as a prefix and getting rid of the BW prefix, what??". That's why I stated but I want both! Then I started thinking "Wait what, what's B2W2 for?". Jake had already made it by the time I knew what in the world was going on. Which is then why I said but B/W2 is better and I'd like that instead. Honestly the whole thing could have been thought out more. :\

I just want the new prefix to be [B&W2]. Nothing wrong with changing it, especially if members are agreeing with me here.

Except you don't have a legitimate sample of the opinion of members from a thread such as this. Post comments was a different situation because it didn't hurt the members that didn't like post comments to bring them back, they still had the ability to pretend they weren't there and such. But for the members that do like B2/W2, they lose that for B&W2 so there should be a more representative sample polled if you really want to go by member opinion. The only people that will come here will be people that are just active everywhere or people that have a problem with it. People that don't visit CQF but don't have a problem with it aren't going to come post here, why would they? Thinking posts in CQF are representative of the entire memberbase is like thinking the calls into Customer Support of a company is representative of every customer - they only call when they need help, so by that logic every single customer ever has a problem because you're only judging it based on people that have one. Haven't you noticed that some of the biggest posters in B/W, the people most affected by it, haven't posted here at all? This slice of the memberbase is far from representative of the people that visit your section.

Also: You said (direct quote) "I came back after it was pretty much decided". Except you were there. You spoke in the middle of the conversation, immediately after the conversation, 1 minute after, 2 minutes after, 3 minutes after, 4 minutes after, and then 5 minutes after when you finally decided to say something. That's a fact, look at the logs. If you're speaking once a minute, you're not away from the computer. You were there and reading.

Tachikaze February 26th, 2012 11:02 AM

[B&W2] makes sense and looks more appealing than [B2/W2]. Not that hard.

Kano Shuuya February 26th, 2012 11:07 AM

Honestly, [B&W2] looks the best, and yeah the games are called Black 2 and White 2, but also - everyone knows that. The prefix doesn't have to be completely perfect, because people will get the idea, and it's obvious that's two games, and they're each the second version. In threads people can separate their names B2 / W2, but for the prefix, IMO it just looks better to keep it B&W2 even if it's somewhat incorrect. People get the basic idea.

/my two cents


Edit: Also, guys, looking over this entire thread - please don't turn this into an argument.
A thread prefix isn't worth getting upset over, okay? :/
I don't want to have to close the thread.

Yoshikko February 26th, 2012 11:13 AM

I don't see a problem with changing it if the other BW mod and lots of other members agree with how the other option ([B&W2] or whatever if you wanna be correct) just looks better and more convenient.

It doesn't even matter in the end when or how it was decided, the point is imo that Kaori feels like she was partially left out of the decision and this is not the first time she feels like she has almost no input on what happens in the BW section, while being a mod there.

seeker February 26th, 2012 11:15 AM

The point is, b/w2 just looks untidy, despite the fact that people know what it is. Thus, adding what I suggested being [B&W2] is more readable, and less confusing when you're flicking through new posts or the B&W forum. Since the less numbers and symbols you have in a prefix, the better. Who cares what everyone else is doing, if the members prefer [B&W2], then do it.

Oryx February 26th, 2012 11:31 AM

Maybe make a poll in the B/W section to see which one wins out? Then the opinions of the B/W regulars that aren't also CQF regulars could be gauged and whichever one wins, wins.

Yoshikko February 26th, 2012 11:52 AM

Well I agree with the poll I guess, would it be possible to like transfer this and add a poll to it then, so that members can read what was previously suggested and the arguments and all that or idk how it works lol.

Sheep February 26th, 2012 12:07 PM

[B2/W2] isn't that appealing of a prefix imho; I'd much more prefer Abnegation's [B&W2] alternative. The combination of those double 2's and the slash make it a little rough on my eyes.

Cordelia February 26th, 2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoshikkko (Post 7063484)
Well I agree with the poll I guess, would it be possible to like transfer this and add a poll to it then, so that members can read what was previously suggested and the arguments and all that or idk how it works lol.

If this is done let's crop out some posts please!

kuzronk February 26th, 2012 12:53 PM

I think it should be a sub forum so people who just want to talk about B/W 1 can talk about them without going though pages of B2/W2 threads

donavannj February 26th, 2012 1:15 PM

My biggest issue with a B&W2 prefix is that it may confuse people on what to Google to get info about the games, as there is already a game out there by another studio called Black & White 2: http://lionhead.com/Games/BW2/Default.aspx

That and I actually think B&W2 is a hideous and grossly inaccurate prefix that makes me think of the game I mentioned above, not of any Pokemon games.

Ivysaur February 26th, 2012 2:42 PM

I personally prefer B2&W2 (or B2/W2 for consistency) because it's the actual name of the games and it's much easier to tell apart from B/W than B/W2 at a single glance.

My two cents.

Victini February 26th, 2012 2:44 PM

I like B2/W2 better. ;w;

If I am scrolling by fast like I usually am, B/W2 looks just like B/W... and it creates the idea that the title for the "game" is Black & White 2...

B2/W2 specifies it's two separate games, and they both have 2 at the end...

Logiedan February 26th, 2012 9:51 PM

Pretty sure this has been said before, but prefixes shouldn't be made to look appealing and/or tidy. The prefix should be simple and something anyone can recognize quickly, therefore i'm for [B2/W2] or [B2&W2]. Although, [B&W2] is convenient, the first two work just as well, and it helps with consistency.

Kano Shuuya February 26th, 2012 11:19 PM

So when the games release, and people want to make a thread taking about one certain version, will there be split prefixes? [B2] [W2]?

Or will people just have to slosh through threads, and hope that one of them covers the version they're wanting?

If that's a thing.. then, it kinda makes sense to have the prefix as [B2&W2] (or / ), until that point.

Just sayin'.


I still think that B&W2 looks the best, but really, it's a prefix and it doesn't need to be a huge deal. No one's going to march off and leave PC if they dislike the way a thread prefix looks.

Ho-Oh February 26th, 2012 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EntwinedSilence (Post 7064303)
So when the games release, and people want to make a thread taking about one certain version, will there be split prefixes? [B2] [W2]?

Or will people just have to slosh through threads, and hope that one of them covers the version they're wanting?

If that's a thing.. then, it kinda makes sense to have the prefix as [B2&W2] (or / ), until that point.

Skipping the rest just to answer this.

Doubt anybody will be making a thread on just one version unless they majorly differ, since for Black and White and other gaming forums at the release, they've made a thread to cover both. For example, Opelucid City (they are designed differently and have different music, so purely aesthetic), Black City/White Forest (the major difference? one = you could battle trainers, other = you could catch Pokemon, same concept but different results), etc. Besides if they're -too- different, then another forum will probably be made rather than actually just having prefixes. Black and White was meant to be the game with the major differences anyway, and considering they didn't have that many, I think it's safe to say that a thread covering the specific version difference instead of the specific version would lead to a lot more discussion. And really, unless Black 2 has a completely different storyline to White 2, then I doubt there's much that could differ enough to need that.

The Author February 27th, 2012 8:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7063133)
It's a prefix. It's not like it matters if it looks ugly or whatever as long as you can tell the difference between Black and White threads and Black 2 and White 2 threads. B2/W2 is the official prefix for the games (which Jake was fine with and said people should start calling the games that), and thus we're following that.

It's Black 2 and White 2, not Black White 2, so it actually makes sense, either way.

Besides, apparently B2/W2 helps PC in Google's listings (or something along those lines, I can't remember what exactly Jake said), where B/W2 wouldn't.

Yes, I have to agree.

But, are we seriously concerned about our Google listing at this point? :P

Oryx February 27th, 2012 8:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Author (Post 7064746)


Yes, I have to agree.

But, are we seriously concerned about our Google listing at this point? :P

If you search "Black 2 and White 2", we don't come up. So yes, we should be worried about our Google listing in relation to these games.

seeker February 27th, 2012 9:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7064760)


If you search "Black 2 and White 2", we don't come up. So yes, we should be worried about our Google listing in relation to these games.

You missed his point. The forum doesn't exactly need the advertising, we have around 300,000 members. Second of all, everyone has a different search result. When I search "Black and White 2" I get a game developed by Lionhead. If I search Pokemon Black & White 2, I don't even get a forum on the first page. All you're going to get at this stage is news sites.

Furthermore, searching "Black and White 2" has no relevance to this prefix, since we're not changing it to that. So to finish my point, no, google stats aren't going to matter in choosing a prefix. Because if I search [b/w2] I get a result for Chinese Wholesale. So that whole google result issue is nonsensical.

fenyx4 February 27th, 2012 9:07 AM

Whoa...so much discussion over a prefix... :<

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7063180)
People can still call it Black and White 2 but the fact of the matter is that it's the official name. Why go for an unofficial name just because it looks better?

The games are officially called Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. And thus we should be following that. People can call it what they want but it's the improper way.

You're buying Black 2 or White 2. You're not buying Black or White 2.

Hit the nail on the head right here. Although I kind of have issues on calling things by their official names sometimes (namely, Power Rangers Samurai), both games individually have "2"s at the end of them. I personally prefer the prefix B2/W2 - it maintains consistency and indicates that each game is a sequel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikkko (Post 7063205)
It's the same as saying the 'on- and off button', you don't say 'the on-button and the off-button'.There is a way of saying that if you are speaking of two things that both end in the same, and it's no different with these games. Seperately you say them like Black 2, and the other game White 2. When you speak of them together it's 'Black and White 2'. It's just the correct way of saying those sort of things lol.

STOP NINJAING KAOR!!

Hmm...I think I see your point here. Not sure if the following example works here, but I tend to hear paired versions referred to as variants of Pokemon Red and Blue Versions, rather than Pokemon Red Version and Pokemon Blue Version. However, in this case, I think there needs to be additional clarity when writing things out and being gramatically correct, as opposed to just writing how they're said aloud...

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7063447)
Maybe make a poll in the B/W section to see which one wins out? Then the opinions of the B/W regulars that aren't also CQF regulars could be gauged and whichever one wins, wins.

Good idea. :cer_nod:

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 7063976)
Piggybacking: B2 and W2 are also the official abbreviations.

(Incidentally, LG/FR are the official ones for FireRed and LeafGreen. I get that we never used that term here.)

I was wondering whether any official abbreviations had been used already in Japan... If B2 and W2 are official, then it's all the more reason for B2/W2 to be used. Although B/W2 or B&W2 isn't necessarily incorrect based on the pronunciations of the two BW sequel versions as a singular entity, B/W2 may make it seem like only White Version is getting a sequel, or that the sequel in question is a singular game/entity titled Black and White 2, making no clear distinction about there being sequel versions.

Didn't know about the "LG/FR" notation being the official abbreviations for FireRed and LeafGreen... Weird; nearly every FR/LG media I've seen has positioned "FireRed/FR" in front of "LeafGreen/LG" in notation. :x

Additionally, I know that Diamond/Pearl/Platinum are usually abbreviated as DPPt, but I've seen some places like the Pokemon TCG opting for DPt instead, omitting the second "P". (IIRC, DPPt is just as official as DPt, so that doesn't really make a difference...)

Aesthetically (which really shouldn't come into play IMO, but is a factor nonetheless), I feel that B2/W2 looks more straightforward and more "symmetrical" than B/W2. I don't think the ampersand should be used, or else it will look inconsistent with the other subforums' prefixes.

Oryx February 27th, 2012 9:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Abnegation (Post 7064774)
You missed his point. The forum doesn't exactly need the advertising, we have around 300,000 members. Second of all, everyone has a different search result. When I search "Black and White 2" I get a game developed by Lionhead. If I search Pokemon Black & White 2, I don't even get a forum on the first page. All you're going to get at this stage is news sites.

Furthermore, searching "Black and White 2" has no relevance to this prefix, since we're not changing it to that. So to finish my point, no, google stats aren't going to matter in choosing a prefix. Because if I search [b/w2] I get a result for Chinese Wholesale. So that whole google result issue is nonsensical.

If you looked at the threads, when you click them the prefix expands into Black 2/White 2. In the future, someone is going to search something like "Black 2 ___(insert question here)___" and get to PC because we have a thread on it and the Black 2 was set off by the prefix. A lot of people get here from Google.

I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't just give up on Google rankings because we want an aesthetic change.

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 7064775)
I was wondering whether any official abbreviations had been used already in Japan... If B2 and W2 are official, then it's all the more reason for B2/W2 to be used. Although B/W2 or B&W2 isn't necessarily incorrect based on the pronunciations of the two BW sequel versions as a singular entity, B/W2 may make it seem like only White Version is getting a sequel, or that the sequel in question is a singular game/entity titled Black and White 2, making no clear distinction about there being sequel versions.

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/

The Japanese site uses it as the official abbreviation in their URL. The US just has "pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2", although you can tell they're being official, with the version and "pokemon" next to both.

Edit: Fun fact, if you search "b2w2 Pokemon", PC is the first-second result. We don't show up on bw2 at all. If we switch it then most likely we'd lose that ranking for b2w2, the official acronym...for aesthetics.

Nick February 27th, 2012 10:01 AM

I'm going to close this. Toujours pretty much summed it all up, especially with linking to the official site that uses the acronyms that we're using now for the prefix. This thread is going to follow the same suit that it's been in since it's been opened - senseless debating.

The prefix isn't going to be getting changed, sorry.


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