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Yoshikko February 26th, 2012 11:13 AM

I don't see a problem with changing it if the other BW mod and lots of other members agree with how the other option ([B&W2] or whatever if you wanna be correct) just looks better and more convenient.

It doesn't even matter in the end when or how it was decided, the point is imo that Kaori feels like she was partially left out of the decision and this is not the first time she feels like she has almost no input on what happens in the BW section, while being a mod there.

seeker February 26th, 2012 11:15 AM

The point is, b/w2 just looks untidy, despite the fact that people know what it is. Thus, adding what I suggested being [B&W2] is more readable, and less confusing when you're flicking through new posts or the B&W forum. Since the less numbers and symbols you have in a prefix, the better. Who cares what everyone else is doing, if the members prefer [B&W2], then do it.

Oryx February 26th, 2012 11:31 AM

Maybe make a poll in the B/W section to see which one wins out? Then the opinions of the B/W regulars that aren't also CQF regulars could be gauged and whichever one wins, wins.

Yoshikko February 26th, 2012 11:52 AM

Well I agree with the poll I guess, would it be possible to like transfer this and add a poll to it then, so that members can read what was previously suggested and the arguments and all that or idk how it works lol.

Sheep February 26th, 2012 12:07 PM

[B2/W2] isn't that appealing of a prefix imho; I'd much more prefer Abnegation's [B&W2] alternative. The combination of those double 2's and the slash make it a little rough on my eyes.

Cordelia February 26th, 2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoshikkko (Post 7063484)
Well I agree with the poll I guess, would it be possible to like transfer this and add a poll to it then, so that members can read what was previously suggested and the arguments and all that or idk how it works lol.

If this is done let's crop out some posts please!

kuzronk February 26th, 2012 12:53 PM

I think it should be a sub forum so people who just want to talk about B/W 1 can talk about them without going though pages of B2/W2 threads

donavannj February 26th, 2012 1:15 PM

My biggest issue with a B&W2 prefix is that it may confuse people on what to Google to get info about the games, as there is already a game out there by another studio called Black & White 2: http://lionhead.com/Games/BW2/Default.aspx

That and I actually think B&W2 is a hideous and grossly inaccurate prefix that makes me think of the game I mentioned above, not of any Pokemon games.

Ivysaur February 26th, 2012 2:42 PM

I personally prefer B2&W2 (or B2/W2 for consistency) because it's the actual name of the games and it's much easier to tell apart from B/W than B/W2 at a single glance.

My two cents.

Victini February 26th, 2012 2:44 PM

I like B2/W2 better. ;w;

If I am scrolling by fast like I usually am, B/W2 looks just like B/W... and it creates the idea that the title for the "game" is Black & White 2...

B2/W2 specifies it's two separate games, and they both have 2 at the end...

Logiedan February 26th, 2012 9:51 PM

Pretty sure this has been said before, but prefixes shouldn't be made to look appealing and/or tidy. The prefix should be simple and something anyone can recognize quickly, therefore i'm for [B2/W2] or [B2&W2]. Although, [B&W2] is convenient, the first two work just as well, and it helps with consistency.

Kano Shuuya February 26th, 2012 11:19 PM

So when the games release, and people want to make a thread taking about one certain version, will there be split prefixes? [B2] [W2]?

Or will people just have to slosh through threads, and hope that one of them covers the version they're wanting?

If that's a thing.. then, it kinda makes sense to have the prefix as [B2&W2] (or / ), until that point.

Just sayin'.


I still think that B&W2 looks the best, but really, it's a prefix and it doesn't need to be a huge deal. No one's going to march off and leave PC if they dislike the way a thread prefix looks.

Ho-Oh February 26th, 2012 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EntwinedSilence (Post 7064303)
So when the games release, and people want to make a thread taking about one certain version, will there be split prefixes? [B2] [W2]?

Or will people just have to slosh through threads, and hope that one of them covers the version they're wanting?

If that's a thing.. then, it kinda makes sense to have the prefix as [B2&W2] (or / ), until that point.

Skipping the rest just to answer this.

Doubt anybody will be making a thread on just one version unless they majorly differ, since for Black and White and other gaming forums at the release, they've made a thread to cover both. For example, Opelucid City (they are designed differently and have different music, so purely aesthetic), Black City/White Forest (the major difference? one = you could battle trainers, other = you could catch Pokemon, same concept but different results), etc. Besides if they're -too- different, then another forum will probably be made rather than actually just having prefixes. Black and White was meant to be the game with the major differences anyway, and considering they didn't have that many, I think it's safe to say that a thread covering the specific version difference instead of the specific version would lead to a lot more discussion. And really, unless Black 2 has a completely different storyline to White 2, then I doubt there's much that could differ enough to need that.

The Author February 27th, 2012 8:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7063133)
It's a prefix. It's not like it matters if it looks ugly or whatever as long as you can tell the difference between Black and White threads and Black 2 and White 2 threads. B2/W2 is the official prefix for the games (which Jake was fine with and said people should start calling the games that), and thus we're following that.

It's Black 2 and White 2, not Black White 2, so it actually makes sense, either way.

Besides, apparently B2/W2 helps PC in Google's listings (or something along those lines, I can't remember what exactly Jake said), where B/W2 wouldn't.

Yes, I have to agree.

But, are we seriously concerned about our Google listing at this point? :P

Oryx February 27th, 2012 8:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Author (Post 7064746)


Yes, I have to agree.

But, are we seriously concerned about our Google listing at this point? :P

If you search "Black 2 and White 2", we don't come up. So yes, we should be worried about our Google listing in relation to these games.

seeker February 27th, 2012 9:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7064760)


If you search "Black 2 and White 2", we don't come up. So yes, we should be worried about our Google listing in relation to these games.

You missed his point. The forum doesn't exactly need the advertising, we have around 300,000 members. Second of all, everyone has a different search result. When I search "Black and White 2" I get a game developed by Lionhead. If I search Pokemon Black & White 2, I don't even get a forum on the first page. All you're going to get at this stage is news sites.

Furthermore, searching "Black and White 2" has no relevance to this prefix, since we're not changing it to that. So to finish my point, no, google stats aren't going to matter in choosing a prefix. Because if I search [b/w2] I get a result for Chinese Wholesale. So that whole google result issue is nonsensical.

fenyx4 February 27th, 2012 9:07 AM

Whoa...so much discussion over a prefix... :<

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7063180)
People can still call it Black and White 2 but the fact of the matter is that it's the official name. Why go for an unofficial name just because it looks better?

The games are officially called Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. And thus we should be following that. People can call it what they want but it's the improper way.

You're buying Black 2 or White 2. You're not buying Black or White 2.

Hit the nail on the head right here. Although I kind of have issues on calling things by their official names sometimes (namely, Power Rangers Samurai), both games individually have "2"s at the end of them. I personally prefer the prefix B2/W2 - it maintains consistency and indicates that each game is a sequel.

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Originally Posted by Yoshikkko (Post 7063205)
It's the same as saying the 'on- and off button', you don't say 'the on-button and the off-button'.There is a way of saying that if you are speaking of two things that both end in the same, and it's no different with these games. Seperately you say them like Black 2, and the other game White 2. When you speak of them together it's 'Black and White 2'. It's just the correct way of saying those sort of things lol.

STOP NINJAING KAOR!!

Hmm...I think I see your point here. Not sure if the following example works here, but I tend to hear paired versions referred to as variants of Pokemon Red and Blue Versions, rather than Pokemon Red Version and Pokemon Blue Version. However, in this case, I think there needs to be additional clarity when writing things out and being gramatically correct, as opposed to just writing how they're said aloud...

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7063447)
Maybe make a poll in the B/W section to see which one wins out? Then the opinions of the B/W regulars that aren't also CQF regulars could be gauged and whichever one wins, wins.

Good idea. :cer_nod:

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 7063976)
Piggybacking: B2 and W2 are also the official abbreviations.

(Incidentally, LG/FR are the official ones for FireRed and LeafGreen. I get that we never used that term here.)

I was wondering whether any official abbreviations had been used already in Japan... If B2 and W2 are official, then it's all the more reason for B2/W2 to be used. Although B/W2 or B&W2 isn't necessarily incorrect based on the pronunciations of the two BW sequel versions as a singular entity, B/W2 may make it seem like only White Version is getting a sequel, or that the sequel in question is a singular game/entity titled Black and White 2, making no clear distinction about there being sequel versions.

Didn't know about the "LG/FR" notation being the official abbreviations for FireRed and LeafGreen... Weird; nearly every FR/LG media I've seen has positioned "FireRed/FR" in front of "LeafGreen/LG" in notation. :x

Additionally, I know that Diamond/Pearl/Platinum are usually abbreviated as DPPt, but I've seen some places like the Pokemon TCG opting for DPt instead, omitting the second "P". (IIRC, DPPt is just as official as DPt, so that doesn't really make a difference...)

Aesthetically (which really shouldn't come into play IMO, but is a factor nonetheless), I feel that B2/W2 looks more straightforward and more "symmetrical" than B/W2. I don't think the ampersand should be used, or else it will look inconsistent with the other subforums' prefixes.

Oryx February 27th, 2012 9:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnegation (Post 7064774)
You missed his point. The forum doesn't exactly need the advertising, we have around 300,000 members. Second of all, everyone has a different search result. When I search "Black and White 2" I get a game developed by Lionhead. If I search Pokemon Black & White 2, I don't even get a forum on the first page. All you're going to get at this stage is news sites.

Furthermore, searching "Black and White 2" has no relevance to this prefix, since we're not changing it to that. So to finish my point, no, google stats aren't going to matter in choosing a prefix. Because if I search [b/w2] I get a result for Chinese Wholesale. So that whole google result issue is nonsensical.

If you looked at the threads, when you click them the prefix expands into Black 2/White 2. In the future, someone is going to search something like "Black 2 ___(insert question here)___" and get to PC because we have a thread on it and the Black 2 was set off by the prefix. A lot of people get here from Google.

I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't just give up on Google rankings because we want an aesthetic change.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 7064775)
I was wondering whether any official abbreviations had been used already in Japan... If B2 and W2 are official, then it's all the more reason for B2/W2 to be used. Although B/W2 or B&W2 isn't necessarily incorrect based on the pronunciations of the two BW sequel versions as a singular entity, B/W2 may make it seem like only White Version is getting a sequel, or that the sequel in question is a singular game/entity titled Black and White 2, making no clear distinction about there being sequel versions.

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/

The Japanese site uses it as the official abbreviation in their URL. The US just has "pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2", although you can tell they're being official, with the version and "pokemon" next to both.

Edit: Fun fact, if you search "b2w2 Pokemon", PC is the first-second result. We don't show up on bw2 at all. If we switch it then most likely we'd lose that ranking for b2w2, the official acronym...for aesthetics.

Nick February 27th, 2012 10:01 AM

I'm going to close this. Toujours pretty much summed it all up, especially with linking to the official site that uses the acronyms that we're using now for the prefix. This thread is going to follow the same suit that it's been in since it's been opened - senseless debating.

The prefix isn't going to be getting changed, sorry.


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