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More than just Unova?
The inevitable question, yeaaah! Since we noticed this discussion was occuring a lot in the announcement thread, we figured having a specific thread for it would be a good idea.
So! As a result, a few questions to base your discussion on: 1. Do you think we'll travel to another region in B2/W2? Why or why not? 2. If so, how do you think you will travel to this other region? Aaand anything else relevant. :) Oh yeah, and of course, mention the region too! Either way, discuss! Hopefully we see some interesting ideas as to how it may come up that you'll have to travel to another region after Unova, or if you even think you'll be spending time at all in Unova. |
First of all, I think we would be visiting a small region with only a handful of routes and settlements, and I hope its either by Pokemon, air vehicles or ships. Or even a GSC/HGSS way of travelling between Johto and Kanto.
After some thinking, it would be nice if they extended Unova by having a route-al system at Anville Town and >that< would be the new 'region' |
I doubt it, but I also would like it, and can see it happening, but seeing as this is the first direct sequel game since generation two, anything could happen...
Probably boat if you could travel anywhere, like with the SS Aqua, or whatever it was called. Hoenn or Sinnoh would be nice to see, Hoenn being unused for two generations now, and I liked Sinnoh over all. |
I don't think we gonna get another region there is just not enough memory on the cartridge.
And Unova have no connection to any of the other regions. Butt I think we could get something like the sevii uslands in FR/LG I liked them. |
Maybe you arrive at Hoenn in the back of a truck This has been the main question on my mind regarding these games, the fact that there's two games is already a difference so I'm pretty sure considering they are sequels we will be visiting a new, undiscovered area where a further storyline unfolds, there's many reasons why I don't think it will be Hoenn but I won't explain them as it's not the right thread but in general, I see us going to a new location that is smaller than unova but explains the mystery behind all the lose ends left in Black & White. Also, for those who are saying the Red & Blue hint to Hoenn being in the game, I'm pretty sure the red represents Reshirams fire as the red is on the White Logo and the blue represents Zekroms Electricity with it being on black. |
I'd like a new region.
Maybe that black boat will take you somewhere. And the Pier the black boat is at occasionally is called Prime Pier I think. Prime Islands? |
I think we will have a new region or travel to a previous region like in SS/HG.
Remember that N took off with his respective dragon to some region....I think the fact that he has the dragon means he'll still be involved with the plot and I think where ever he disappeared off to, we as the player may go there also. |
Well, I've previously stated this I'm sure but it may just be set in Unova but with more areas to explore because look at the Map, there's many open and explorable places heck if it's set into the future new cities and buildings may have been constructed and the construction site on Route 4 may be finished which can connect to different routes etc. The only reason why GSC had kanto because if you look on the regional map, Johto & Kanto border onto each other.
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a good guess i thought of fo this is there will be a new region that consists of 3 islands one for fire, one for ice, and one for electric dont get me wrong but its a good idea^^ |
I would love a new region. I think it would be cool to be able to travel to Hoenn or Sinnoh. :)
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Anyway, it would surprise me if B2 and W2 saw another region. |
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Same region but with add-ons (like Emerald etc)
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I had an idea!
Anyone remember the Sevii Islands? I think those should be accessible in B2/W2. :) |
UPSTATE NEW YORK! Your trainer could explore towns based on delightful communities like Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, and Albany!*
If there is anything besides the main Unova region, I would like to see something small as opposed to a full-on region with eight badges and all that. As mentioned before something akin to the Sevii Islands would be good... a place where extra events would take place but wouldn't have to be spread thin like Kanto was in the GSC series. *Disclaimer: My family is from Rochester, NY. |
Well instead of being predictable they could take us to a new (close to Unova) location that is based in the U.S rather than in Japan.. it would link to Unova still.
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While honestly at this point there's no telling, I think it would be in Gamefreak's best interest to take us to another region IF this is a sequel.
We've already been through Unova, so it wouldn't make sense to go right back through it, unless we're someone else. They could always pull a "Oh, you beat B/W? We forgot to tell you, that was only HALF of Unova" hahaha. :P Maybe we'll hop on one of.... -insert Flying type gym leaders name-'s planes and head off elsewhere, be it a new or old region. OH BOY, I hope we have a sky diving game at the beginning of the game like the majority of games on the mainstream market today. |
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Skydiving ftw. That would be awesome. |
Skylas planes are out of the picture. They are cargo planes not human transportation ones.
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I like the idea of the construction site buildings being completed for the sequel - AND for those buildings to have a special event there to make you care that the buildings are done. They could be a Con-Hotel were Gym Leaders from around the world visit for Re-Matches. Also, the north edge of the map could be expanded on for new locations. Or, we could start North and go to Old Unova Post-game.
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Speaking about the Sevii islands, maybe those seven make a come back...I mean there were several mysteries that were never solved such as the grass patch...
We could have an event in which we try to connect far off Unova to the other regions trade network (as a major hint to remakes)... I also like the idea of adding routes connected Anville town (which could be the new players home town...) |
I personally think that with the games being direct sequels and all, Game Freak is hinting at us that they won't be mere third entries in the series like before. Having that said, I see the possibility of travelling to a new region very likely given the circumstances of the ending in the first two games, and especially since Looker mentioned that N was spotted in a distant land. As for what region exactly, I can't say I'm too sure. Hoenn is definitely a possibility, though I somehow doubt it will happen yet. Perhaps it will be a brand new region, or even just an additional section of Unova?
My guess as for how we will travel to this region is that the opening cinematic will explain the exact whereabouts of N and the game will start off in Castelia City with the protagonist boarding the cruise to find him. |
Seven Islands - Seven Sages... just a thought but I'd love to re-explore the sevii Islands, they had so much to offer and they could easily be fitted into BW2 considering they are relatively small in size collectively. Also, like MRAS they could also link to Red & Blue the originals as well as having four games like they did with the first gen but again, just speculation.
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I'm surprised so many people liked the Sevii Islands. I felt like they were content filler, and didn't really have anything significant to them. I'm not gonna complain though, mainly because I always like being able to re-explore areas from other games in later installments. As for people who think it will take place in Hoenn, I kinda hope not, as i'd like to see R/S/E get their own remakes. D: |
For some reason when you guys mention traveling on one of Skyla's planes, I remembered that episode a long time ago where the gang traveled on a blimp lol and then it got stuck by lighting, and burned lol
Something super climactic like that, that's how what I want in a Pokémon game Just thinking aloud, sorry lol I would love a second region, and I almost think they should be doing something like that, or just as drastic, if their adding a '2' to this. |
@ Suicune. Maybe the Seven Sage fled to the islands after escaping from butter fingered Looker...and Ghetsis is located new in island seven, maybe in the Unoun chambers and discovers the God Stone and then returns back to Unova before you capture him...
Anyways more on a new area. I'll like to see what lies north of the Pokemon league...maybe in the new map they can remove those clouds in the art work and reveal entirely new places. Maybe something happens that causes the gyms to move north to the new areas of Unova ^_^ |
No. It will just be Unova and the few Islands around it. I highly, highly doubt we'll head to any other regions.
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The NPC that says we can't fly on the planes because we have Pokemon is a jerk. I can almost hear him say that line in a condescending tone. Besides IIRC, flying on my Archeops didn't allow me overhead storage or in-flight snacks. And the turbulence was awful.
I'd much rather that they focus on tying up the loose ends in Unova before throwing another region at us. Caves can be expanded on, they have a whole bunch of high-rises in Castelia where you can only visit a few floors, and the whole Route 4 construction area which could become anything once completed, really. Leaving the home region isn't necessary to enrich the story and throw new plot elements at us to explore. |
Maybe not a completely new region, but some new land in Unova. More areas based on NYC and some based on NY upstate.
Of course not all land drawn here but some of this: Spoiler:
Map source: http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&global=1&q=unova+new+york#/d4kqsns |
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Awesome map man I think that is possible with something like the boats in FR/LG to connect to the citys. |
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I don't think we'll get to travel to another region, mainly because Unova is so far away from the others, and I don't know, but to me it seems unlikely. If we do travel somewhere though, maybe it'll be to some kind of island? If so, I think we'll get there by plane or boat.
On another note, I'd like to see Gym Leader rematches in the games as well. Possibly even battles against the sages, even though that does go against them, since they want to free Pokémon etc. |
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I definitely think we'll see a new land mass, whether it be a massive extension to Unova or a brand new region. I'm leaning towards this new area being directly connected to Unova, much like how Kanto and Johto are. It just wouldn't make sense to release these 'sequels' and not have something as big as this in the games. There's no way it's just the added stuff we see in regular 3rd versions. |
good to see that there is no theory saying Hoenn is going to be in this game. There were some people in Serebii saying that hoenn is going to be in this game some how.
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They will probably just add new few areas in Unova.
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Yeah about that...
Personally, I have nothing to lose if they add another region siding with Unova, I would actually LOVE it, but, with no certain reason, I doubt it would happen. What I can think of is some additional locations such as Islands or probably PART of a previous region. Just small new locations and such. If we are to travel to a different region, most likely I believe we will be using Skyla's Jets. I think I recall her speaking of how easy is a trip from Unova to Sinnoh is didn't she? Well...I would love to see that happen... Basically, why add different regions if they are irrelevant. We would love it, but the dev might not. |
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This looks like how the battle of Kyogre, Groudon & Rayquaza took place http://pokebeach.com/news/0212/movie-15-trailer-2.jpg Also, I was thinking about it and originally... Unova had NOTHING to do with Hoenn whatsoever, so to suddenly mix Hoenn with Unova would kind of mess things up wouldn't it? |
I really don't want to see Hoenn (isn't that place 96.42087% water anyway?) I'm not buying R/S remakes, and I really don't want to buy B/W 2 only to have Hoenn forced down my throat anyway.
IIRC, Unova is supposed to be very far away from the other regions, so any new regions would more than likely have to be created especially for these games. And I'm going to reiterate, I don't want to see something like the watered down Kanto that was in G/S/C. GF either needs to make it a smaller region or make sure there's enough content in the other region so it doesn't seem bare. |
What about the Johto-equivalent being based off New England instead of New Jersey? Would that be a better idea?
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This is a mixed topic theory (Unova expansion + gameplay wish-list): If I recall, Cynthia mentions something about a gathering of champions where they collect to do battle. What if we were introduced to a new area (similar to the Sevii isles perhaps, a mini region if you will) where this takes place. You have one central town where this takes place with a half a dozen towns scattered about. This could be a tournament. And to get in the tournament you have earn a sort of commendation. (kinda like a post-game gym mixed with the battle frontier) And you have to earn a new set of commendations to enter the tournament each time (ie. rematches with increasing difficulty) This new region (I'd love to see the area immediately right of the above New York/Unova map) adds way for plot advancement as well as a way to add to the post game experience.
Oh and the tournament pulls a random assortment of contenders from various gyms, E4, league champs, heroes, former villains(?), and other bad-asses through out the generations. And when you've defeated every competitor ever and won the final tournament, you get a cut scene of fire-works and a parade. Then the game acknowledges your excellence and arbitrarily resets your game knowing it has no more challenges for you and there is nothing more you can accomplish. :P (jk) |
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I agree about references to Hoenn, but it would be better for Hoenn to be in separated remakes, not in B2/W2, because of having it's own storyline. If Hoenn would appear in B2/W2 it would be just a minor region and that would really bad... it would decrease chances for R/S remakes because Game Freak wouldn't make Hoenn remake after putting it in B2/W2. |
I am against putting Hoenn in v2. I mean, its Black and white still, not a remake. And also not a minor region. The story would focus on Unova and what role would Hoenn play. Also, Hoenn geographically is too far from Unova.
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I dont see Game Freak putting Hoenn in when they could give it its own remake and make so much more money. Although with people who say it's too far... there is an airport in Unova that could take them anywhere pretty much so you can't really rule anything out.
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If they put Hoenn in B2W2 generally, they will make much LESS money than they could potentially make with remakes which would be a foolish move on Gamefreaks part and when it comes to money, they want the most they can possibly get. Just realised it's Pokémon Smash tomorrow and I'm sure we'll get at least one video or screenshot... it's been one week and they did a similar thing with HGSS. Looking forward to it because we're bound to hear something on the related topic.
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What would the three legendary Dragons, that created the Unova Region, be doing in Hoenn? The only one that would have an excuse is N's, because he bailed. The other two should still be in Unova.
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That's just what I think. :) |
one things for sure, pokemon ruby and sapphire are the only versions that havent been remade yet, so itll definitly be remade, and with the new b/w sequels coming up, theyd definitly add new features and other stuf for a whole new feel to the game so that players can enjoy it n of course itll talk about what happened to N too, its the sequel after all. but im still not sure about ruby n sapphire region being in the new b/w 2 versions, since alot of people think so cuz of the colors of the numbers on the black and white 2 pictures, but adding another region to it would be nice, i'd like that. just a few more months til we know for sure. can't wait.
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I honestly do not think Hoenn is going to be in this game as much as I love that place. Reason being apart from many 'hits' about hoenn and hints that there N might be in " some reigion far far away" there isn't any direct link between unova and Hoenn. I also would like my pokemon region to be complete as possible and to have hoenn in this game leads me to fear that it might not be complete as it would be if Hoenn is in its stand-alone remake ( remember how Kanto was half-assed in G/S/C I fear something similer might happen in this game if Hoenn was to be in it.)
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When it says N has fled to a distant land.. it equally could be any land, there's no indication that Hoenn is the most likely to be it.
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If Unova is generally based on New York, maybe N fled to another place based on US? For example Miami - in B2/W2 they could add island based on Miami, giving player ability to travel there by boat or Skyla's plane. Miami has similar environment to Hoenn - both places are in the most tropical areas of US and Japan. I picked Miami because they could introduce tropical environment to 5 gen - cities on islands, tropical forests, swamps and maybe hurricanes. Later they could copy those things to R/S remakes.
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Although I think it's highly unlikely, I sure hope so. Black and White has gotten very old for me for a while now and if it's just a 'remake' with hardly any differences then I'll be sad D:
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of course i want Hoenn Remakes, but putting them in the games won't affect sales by a large margin at all, thats like saying that putting Kanto in GSC affected sales for FR/LG, which isn't the case its possible for for them to want every region put on the DS, every other one was on it, why should Hoenn be different? although, it is possible that more parts will be explorable which seems more likely. |
Hoenn's definitely not being tossed into the mix because, like the four other main regions, it's based on a region in Japan, therefore it's far away from Unova. It would be completely irrelevant to the game, and I think most people would prefer Hoenn to have its own story not mixing with others.
But it might share some sort of connection, like how Platinum hinted several things about Johto, like Red Gyarados. Maybe B2/W2's story might be happening at the same time as R/S/E's story, like a newscast on television saying how Hoenn is being drenched by a downpour, or suffering from a drought. But sticking to the topic, no, I don't think there will be a new region. B2/W2, in my speculation, takes place after B/W, so since Unova is so advanced in construction and building, there can be a lot of new routes and buildings to explore. Maybe even extra landmasses, like mountains and caves; caves might have been dug deeper by explorers or archaeologists, etc. We might get a set of (undiscovered?) islands to explore, maybe with new Pokémon (a small batch from Generation VI), or new branch evolutions (since there were none in B/W), or variations to existing Pokémon (like how the Orange Islands' Pokémon had different designs or colours on their bodies). I'm really hoping for new evolutions. After all, this game might not be the fifth generation, it might be the fifth and a half. :D |
Hoenn? I see no way that Hoenn could be part of either of these games. xD; Not only would I not want it to be, because I want Hoenn to get it's own games again, but like others have said, it's far away from Unova. You'd have to have the characters fly there, and I'd rather some new area anyway. I'm not sure how they're going to manage making B&W more awesome than they already were, because that seems hard to do, but I'd like to see maybe some smaller extra map, where you could catch Pokemon from older regions. That's really all I'm hoping for. xD;
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I, personally, can definitely see Hoenn being a major part of Black and White 2, but would much rather them have their own games.
As for where the games will take place, I really can't see it being anywhere else than somewhere new. The games are sequels and not mere third entries, so it wouldn't make very much sense if we went through all of the same areas from the originals. Now I'm not saying some of them (i.e. Castelia City) won't be accessible, but I just see an additional section of Unova being the most likely. |
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I think they should focus on increasing Unova's size ( and it's story. Unova needs more of it's own land that can be exporable. |
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^ Yes they should definitely put more dive areas...this time they should add seaweed where we can find Pokemon like in RSE. Also they should put more water...to me it felt even more lacking in water than even Sinnoh was, at least add one major water route (and make it so that the Super rod is obtained earlier.)
I'll also like it if we could explore the large two mountains in Unova more... |
They should possibly do this in Hoenn or so, because that many fans wanted a Ruby and Sapphire remake, so that N might arrive to Hoenn. Or that they might continue in Unova, at a new exciting place or so.
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I do think that they will take advantage of the fact that Unova is far away and connected to a larger peice of land. I think we might see a Johto-like expansion on Unova without new Pokemon, and they will call it East Unova or some crap like that. Or Hoenn. I'd like Hoenn. |
I don't think any other regions are going to play a part in this game, I hope we travel to an 'unexplored' area of Unova or travel through islands like in FR/LG. I hope its the latter though.
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I think it's most likely going to be a new region, these games are unpredictable and to see a fresh, new area would be great.
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^ I agree, we need something new added into these games to make them different.
Also for all we know N could've gone to Kanto, Johto, or Sinnoh (and the first won always seems to appear each gen...plus it'll tie the series back to where it began, Kanto 4+ years into the future. I think the new area will likely be Northern Unova rather than Eastern Unova, but the east could work seeing how it's Kyurem's side of Unova (West is Reshiram/Zekrom). |
I hope to God that Hoenn isn't included in this. For one, it's probably too far away from Unova, and for two, I'd rather Hoenn get full attention and have RS remakes. But anyway, I don't doubt that there will be a new place, or places, added in B2W2. Maybe something Sevii Islands-esque? But saying that makes me think of FRLG, which in turn makes me shudder. Brrr.
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That being said Hoenn will definitely be in B2/W2! (sorry couldn't resist a troll) |
Oh yeah, Dive! It would be really neat if Dive could be put into the game, since it would easily hint at the R/S/E remakes, and would give a great way to add more explorable areas into Unova. Unova was so large, but the massive size seemed underused, even if a lot of it was used.
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Yeah, I really hope we get to dive more in Black and White 2, but at the same time I hope Game Freak doesn't overdue it with the amount of water routes, because for me, that's what makes the third generation games the worst.
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I personally think they'll just throw in a battle frontier, a few routes, maybe a town, flesh out the giant chasm to fit with the new story. Add a bit of story post-B/W and that'll be about it. The fact that there will be two doesn't change the fact it'll be a standard '3rd' game. That's my thinking anyway..
Oh, and those who think they'd pass up the chance to repackage and resell Hoenn are being silly, at the end of the day Nintendo are not doing well and they will not pass up a chance to flesh out and remake what they know will sell. |
I really hope Hoen in this game and can see it happening unfortunatly It will be unlikly as Hoen is far away from Unova. They would have to tie it in with N and Skyla's plane to make sense. As for adding new areas such as an eastern Unove type thing I dont think they can if they want it to be accessable with BW. I was talking to one my friends and he said something about BW not having the Data for new cities. For example just say theres an eastern Unova and a city in there called Yellow Town (original I know). If you caught a pokemon from there and transfered it to BW what would it say in the met tab, ???? most likely. Buts that just what I was told and could be completly wrong.
Thats why I can see them doing Hoen or another region and i dont believe that adding Hoen will kill the remakes, i know for one ill buy them even if Hoen is in BW2. The sevii islands is very possible as well since BW would have the data. Anyway thats just my 5 cents worth and it will probably be set in Unova 5 years from the event. As long as they have a good battle frontier and move tutors ill be happy. |
There was a lot of construction going on in Unnova, that's how i kinda figured a sequel, and i was right :D
back to my point, if another region isn't in the games, i think they would open up these areas for example, there was an unexplored cave by the cold storage (I believe) and the desert path |
Eh, I never saw the appeal of using Dive. Logically speaking, it would be impossible to breathe and your clothes would be soaked for hours after you got out, unless you magically put on scuba gear before you use the move. Not to mention that hypothermia would set in and possibly kill you off. But then again, when have the Pokemon games ever been concerned with "logic?"
I just hope the new additions don't include copious amounts of water. The last thing I need is another Hoenn to have to surf through while completely neglecting all Pokemon weak to Water attacks. And I don't care to see a tree house "city" in Unova either. |
It annoyed me you could explore all of Unova and not use HMs
Wait was the game confirmed to even be in Unova? I know its a sequel but sometimes sequels are in a different place. It could be an older region but N is like a teacher or Prof in that region. Not saying its not Unova but not sure it was every stated it is. |
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If you're going by "it's never been stated," then it also hasn't been stated that B2/W2 are fifth generation games, that we'll even get any Unova Pokémon, or even if they will be part of the main series at all. They could be spin-offs like Ranger and just feature Kyurem formes on the box art! But seriously, that would be a nightmare to all Pokémon fans. |
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As we travel through Unova for the second time, we expect to find a few new things along the way. The first game did not use HMs at all. What if ALL of the new areas of BW2 are right under our noses, but hidden by HM Moves. We didn't see them the first time around because we never used HMs. Example: When you surf under Village Bridge, there would be a Dive Point added. This Dive Point goes to a tunnel, which goes to a Brand New Cave to explore and enjoy - and to met rare and exotic Pokemon! |
Eh, but that would require HM slaves again (which I enjoyed not having to worry about in B/W). Now, if they introduced secret caves/buildings not in the original B/W that didn't require HM's to get access to, I wouldn't mind that. Maybe they can call it "development" or "new discoveries" that happened after the events of B/W.
I do like the idea of new areas within Unova itself... there's lots of room to add extra stuff. I'm not so keen about giving up a team slot for a slave or saddling my Pokemon with HMs that are less than adequate in combat. But, if they add a fifth "slot" for HM moves that can be used in the field but not in battle, then the whole HM thing could very well become viable again. |
The one thing that really annoyed me was Castelia City. Based on all the concept art, I thought it would be huge, but it's really not. At least in the scope of the original Black and White. A major expansion on Castelia and placing more importance on it than in B/W is the only thing I could hope for.
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^ And the rest of them are awful moves; hence why we will never be free of the shackles called HM's. The decent moves keep the HMs from being relegated to a minor role, while the bad moves keep holding the Pokemon back by not allowing them space for better moves.
Back on topic, I'd really like to see that interior part of Unova developed into something besides the bizarre Entralink. Having that big gaping hole that most of the cities surround is just... weird. Maybe make it into a sort of "Inner Unova" where super-strong trainers reside. |
There was some construction in Unova so maybe they are new bridges or tunnles going to a new area.
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Well .. i might not be surprised if there would be return to hoenn :) |
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well .. yea maybe they would make Ruby/Sapphire remakes a different game like they did to every other .... can't say
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well , now the 2 makes me think about Zekrom and Reshiram 's Signature moves ,that is , Fusion Bolt (BLUE) and Fusion Flare (RED) ... makes sense now
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I think people are looking too far into the colours of the number 2's, they're simply the type colours of the dragons kyurem is copying, Red for fire type, blue for electric type (remember, zekrom produces blue electricity, which is actually the proper colour of the stuff).
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Unova had a lot of un used land in on the map. I think we can see more islands that we can go to. However I do not think we will be going to another region. That would branch off to much into Gen 6. New islands yes. New region or old region. No. But if there is an old region we go to,I hope it is Hoenn.
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I think in this version you can gain the ability to go to Kanto. There are too many good reasons not to. First Skyla says she goes between the regions specifically Kanto and she says at the epilouge when you go back to her gym she would like to fly with you and she would take you somewhere. Two there is an unused OST in both games where it is labled Kanto Champion theme maybe you can battle Gary or Red from Kanto?
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To quote Bulbanews, Nintendo has promised that B2/W2 is going to be an "all new adventure." I think that this means that there will be a region other than Unova and they will cut Unova and the rest of the regions out of the game entirely.
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An all new adventure doesn't mean no Unova. It could still easily take place in Unova. Just with a new storyline, characters etc...
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What about a safarie zone? And I never thought of new islands like they did in Firered and leafgreen. I really hope there is a Safarie zone in Unova in Black/White 2. That pokemon types change with season,but mostly stay the same.
But why would there be 2 regions in 1 generation? Unless it is an older region. And why would we go back to Kanto if Kanto was just re realesed in HG and SS. Hoenn seems the best region. It is too early for the others. And I do not know if they can get all 5 regions on 1 card for a normal DS card and they are for DS,Lite,and I |
I think I found a weird hint that Hoenn is going to be in the next game. I was replaying Emerald, and in Rustburo, in that church looking building, there's a scientist that says he's working on trying to see pokemon dreams. Like what's her face is doing in Black and White. Coincidence? Old news?
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