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Gonzo March 4th, 2012 8:40 AM

♠ The Art of RNG ♠ | RNG Guides [OLD]
 

♠ The Art of RNG ♠


Welcome to the Art of RNG! Here we will discuss RNG abuse, post our most recent RNG abuses, and complete challenges and then show off our results. If you need actual help with RNG abuse, please review the RNG Guides and feel free to ask any questions here. We would like to encourage you to try on your own first, though, but don't be afraid to ask for help if you are just plain lost. We're here to help and spread the joy of RNG abuse to anyone interested.

Rules
~ If you're asking for help,
- Provide which version of RNG Reporter (or PPRNG for Macs) you're using.
- Provide which version Pokemon game you're playing.
- What are you trying to capture or hatch? What were your results? Explain what you're doing.
- What is your target seed and frame? How are you verifying your seed or frame? If you can provide screenshots of what you're seeing/doing in RNG Reporter, please do so.
- Please don't get frustrated if you're continuously failing. Your first RNG attempts may take several hours or even days. Be polite to those trying to help you.

~ If you're commenting on others' RNG abuses,
- Please don't say "I'll trade ya for that!" or whatever. :(

~ If you're posting your own RNG abuses (not for the challenges),
- Add to the conversation. Don't just post your new Pokemon and nothing else.

RNG Guides
Trade Corner's Black/White RNG Guide
Everstone's DPPt/HGSS RNG Guide


Notable RNG Abusers

Mac: Owner & Founder Sent to therapy for hitting delay and abusing the RNG
Gonz0: Co-Owner Ace of Spades of RNG Abuse
TwilightBlade: Co-Owner
Rednael: Nub who completed ten challenges
Vaporeon7
Sydian: Hero of Time

Current Discussion Topic

How did you discover RNG? Did someone introduce it to you, did you find it by accident (more or less), or was there some other way? Share your experience!


Chosen by deku: I like a lot about how this Pokemon helped TheGr8 snatch victory from the jaws of defeat at VGC. I love how on the first team you used it on it wasn't much help, but you gave it a second chance on your new team and it managed to save you in a lot of battles. I like how you RNG abused it's IV's to still make it a viable Pokemon even when confused or in a Trick Room. I especially like how you chose for it to be female due to the use of Captivate and Attract by other players. Overall, I really like how every aspect of this Pokemon helped you win when you were stuck in a corner at the VGC.

Current Challenge

Challenge #24: Favoritism! RNG a Pokemon that is based on your favorite character from any media! (Video Game, Book, Movie, TV Series, Manga, etc...)


Completed by: Mac (Golett)

Expires: July 16, 2012 11:59 PM.

All challenges expire at 11:59 PM (UTC-4) of the fifth day.

Past Challenges

Past challenge winners are marked in bold red. Past challenge descriptions can be found when placing your mouse cursor over 'Challenge #'.

Spoiler:

Challenge #1: johnny18 (Clefairy), Mac (Pikachu), earth boy (Bouffalant), Rednael (Lileep), LegendaryFSK (Growlithe), AlexOzzyCake (Drifblim), greg0915 (Tentacool), loucas (Frillish), miakalina (Pearl ID), Gonzo (Tynamo)

Challenge #2: johnny18 (Arbok), Mac (Yanma), earth boy (Yamask), Rednael (Cacnea), loucas (Mewtwo), RingoH (Porygon), miakalina (Lickitung)

Challenge #3: Mac (Zubat), AlexOzzyCake (Sneasel), Rednael (Mantyke), TwilightBlade (Chansey), Keiran777 (Duskull), loucas (Golbat), twistedpuppy (Horsea), LegendaryFSK (Snorlax), RingoH (Pichu)

Challenge #4: Rednael (Flareon), twistedpuppy (Houndour), LegendaryFSK (Chimchar), Mac (Torchic), TwilightBlade (Volcarona), Keiran777 (Ponyta), AlexOzzyCake (Chimchar), Gonz0 (Darumaka), Vaporeon7 (Slugma), RingoH (Ponyta), loucas (Victini)

Challenge #5: LegendaryFSK (Teddiursa), Vaporeon7 (Poliwag), Rednael (Poliwag), Keiran777 (Spinda), RingoH (Slakoth), Mac (Bulbasaur), Gonz0 (Poliwhirl), Rainy Garden of Fire (Zubat), loucas (Pichu), Sydian (Mienfoo), twistedpuppy (Oddish)

Challenge #6: LegendaryFSK (Squirtle), AlexOzzyCake (Lillipup), Rainy Garden of Fire (Piplup), Rednael (Dwebble), Mac (Chinchou), Vaporeon7 (Mareep), Gonz0 (Musharna), Sydian (Eevee), TwilightBlade (Shaymin)

Challenge #7: Rainy Garden of Fire (Starly), Rednael (Natu), Mac (Articuno), Sydian (Swablu), loucas (Archen), Feralize (Murkrow), LegendaryFSK (Rufflet), Vaporeon7 (Wingull), Gonz0 (Doduo), TwilightBlade (Tranquil)

Challenge #8:: Mac (Thundurus), Rednael (Volbeat/Illumise), LegendaryFSK (Cottonee), Vaporeon7 (Electrike), Gonz0 (Furret), TwilightBlade (Darkrai), Sydian (Cottonee)

Challenge #9:: Mac (Vulpix), Vaporeon7 (Shellder), Sydian (Bibarel), TwilightBlade (Azelf), Rednael (Gastrodon), CrazyMrHans (Magikarp), Gonz0 (Scyther)

Challenge #10: Mac (Munchlax), Rednael (Aron), AlexOzzyCake (Scolipede), Gonz0 (Heatran), Vaporeon7 (Solrock), CrazyMrHans (Onix), BZW Golem (Munchlax), Sydian (Steelix)

Challenge #11: CrazyMrHans (Gyarados), Sydian (Umbreon), Vaporeon7 (Vaporeon), Rednael (Chinchou), Mac (Porygon2), LegendaryFSK (Gastly), Gonz0 (Chansey), Loucas (Venonat), TheGr8 (Growlithe)

Challenge #12: Rednael (Absol), LegendaryFSK (Volcarona), Keiran777 (Seel), Mac (Mareep), Vaporeon7 (Spheal), CrazyMrHans (Litwick), Gonz0 (Swablu), Archiebald (Whimsicott), Sydian (Ninetales), Luvdisc (TheGr8)

Challenge #13: Keiran777 (Skorupi), Rednael (Spinarak), Vaporeon7 (Shellos), Mac (Aron), TheGr8 (Crawdaunt), Archiebald (Relicanth), Sydian (Ducklett), Gonzo (Tangela)

Challenge #14: Rednael (Rotom), TwilightBlade (Maractus), Mac (Politoed), Vaporeon7 (Swablu), Archiebald (Lilligant), Sydian (Politoed), Keiran777 (Volbeat), Gonz0 (Panpour) TheGr8 (Cherrim), johnny18 (Gothita)

Challenge #15: Sydian (Ludicolo), Jolteon* (Pidgeot), Mac (Buizel), Vaporeon7 (Meowth), Keiran777 (Shuckle), Gonz0 (Lilligant), LegendaryFSK (Scraggy), Rednael (Rotom)

Challenge #16: Rednael (Togekiss), Mac (Zapdos), Sydian (Zebstrika), Vaporeon7 (Dunsparce), Gonz0 (Spiritomb), TwilightBlade (Stunfisk), AlexOzzyCake (Amoonguss)

Challenge #17: Rednael (Nidoqueen), Sydian (Arcanine), Luke (Kangaskhan), LittleSky (Blissey), Vaporeon7 (Alomomola), Mac (Marowak), TwilightBlade (Vespiquen)

Challenge #18: LegendaryFSK (Cryogonal), LittleSky (Lucario), Mac (Suicune), Gonz0 (Platinum ID, OT: ♠ゴンゾ♠), Willio (Uxie), Sydian (Ditto), Vaporeon7 (Castform), TwilightBlade (Gardevoir)

Challenge #19: LittleSky (Tropius), Luke (Carracosta), AngelZodiac (Manaphy), Vaporeon7 (Honchkrow), TwilightBlade (Wingull), Mac (Garbodor), Gonz0 (Articuno), twistedpuppy (Politoed)

Challenge #20: LittleSky (Petilil), evo21 (Eevee), Mac (Honchkrow), Gonz0 (Drilbur/Excadrill team), Rednael (Ninetales)

Challenge #21 jerichob10 (Pichu), LittleSky (Blastoise), Mac (Marill), Crescend (Mareep), Vaporeon7 (Tangela)

Challenge #22: Crescend (Lucario), Iloveeevee (Larvitar), deku (Gallade), TwilightBlade (Sandshrew), Mac (Thundurus), The Shiny Umbreon in the Corner (Riolu), Gonz0 (Woobat)

Challenge #23: NavySealGR (Garchomp), Mac (Latios), Gonz0 (Feebas -> Milotic), TheGr8 (Ludicolo), TwilightBlade (Riolu -> Lucario), vaporeon7 (Clamperl -> Gorebyss)



TwilightBlade March 4th, 2012 8:47 AM


Pokémon Black/White RNG Guide

Introduction

It is said that every Pokémon you encounter along your journey of ~epic proportions~ is unique. Your starter Pokémon is "randomly" adamant, female, and likes to run. As it turns out, these events are determined by pseudo random number generators, or the output of a class of mathematical formulas. The word pseudo implies that your game is not really random; the randomness is fake, an illusion. In fact, a very particular pattern exists. With proper knowledge and execution, one can predict when and where shiny, flawless, and other desirable Pokémon exist. This guide will help you learn how to abuse your game's pseudo RNG.

Pre-requisites for Standard Seed Abuse

— Pokémon Black or Pokémon White
— RNG Reporter (download latest version 9.95 here)
— Nintendo DS Original or Lite is recommended. DSi/3DS will work but have some key differences (click here to read these differences)
— IV Calculator (click to use Metalkid's IV Calculator)
— Your Secret ID (SID), if you desire shiny Pokémon. You can find your SID by using Pokécheck.
— Do NOT use Action Replay, flashcart, or emulator. This guide will not discuss how to RNG abuse while using these devices. You will get weird results.
— MAC Address
— Open Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection Settings from either the Main Menu or through the C-Gear.
— Click the orange box, Options. Click the pink box, System Information.
— Copy the entire MAC Address (ignore the hyphens). Write it down and/or store it somewhere easily accessible (e.g. notepad, word, forum post).
Click for image of how to obtain MAC Address from Nintendo Wi-Fi Settings
— Helpful Pokémon
— Chattering Chatot: Obtain a Chatot (not found in Black/White, but can be obtained in Dream World's Windswept Sky, in 4th Gen, or over Wi-Fi). Teach Chatot the move Chatter. Click on Chatter as if it were an HM. Teach Chatot any custom cry by using your DS microphone. Keep Chatot in your party; if you deposit it, it will forget its custom chatter, so you will have to customize its cry again. *Tip* Get 2 Chatot. You can quickly advance the frame by flipping back and forth between two Chatot.
— Sweet Scenter: Obtain any Pokémon knowing the move Sweet Scent (Foongus level 25; Maractus level 3).
— Synchronizer: Obtain Pokémon with desirable natures (Timid, Jolly, etc) having the ability Synchronize (Munna, Elgyem).
— Quick Egg Hatcher: Obtain a Pokémon with ability Flame Body (Magby, Slugma, Litwick, Larvesta). When in your party, it reduces the amount of steps required to hatch an egg.
— Flier: Obtain any Pokémon knowing HM Fly (Volcarona has Flame Body and can Fly).
— Flawless Parents: Obtain any Ditto and/or parent Pokémon with 30-31 IVs in desirable stats.


General Summary of Information


This section will become more useful after you attempt RNG abuse, so you may skip it for now but refer back to it later. Also, if you get confused by certain terminology when doing the Steps, refer back to this general section too!

Definitions

Seed: The number which is fed to the random number generator when the game starts. This number is created by a combination of the time and date the game started, the MAC Address, Keypress, and other Encryption Variables.
IV: This is a Pokémon's individual values created when one first encounters or receives a Pokémon. The IVs are responsible for determining a Pokémon's characteristic, Hidden Power, and variation of stats. IVs range from 0 to 31, where IVs of 30 and 31 are most desired. Flawless Pokémon usually have 5 or 6 stats with IVs of 31. Abusing the IVs is known as Mersenne Twister RNG.
PID: This is a Pokémon's personality value created when one first encounters or receives a Pokémon. The PID is responsible for determining a Pokémon's gender, ability, and shininess. The PID is also responsible for determining Spinda's spots, Unown's letter, and whether Wurmple evolves into a Beautifly or Dustox. Abusing the PID is known as PIDRNG.
Target Time: A date and time you are trying to hit in order to get your desired result. This is the current date and time of your DS system. The target time has nothing to do with your save file's gameplay time.
Target Date: A date you are trying to hit in order to get your desired result. No month or year is "better" or "luckier" than others but it doesn't hurt to search for shiny flawless spreads in multiple months throughout many years.
Initial / Starting Frame: This is the initial PIDRNG Frame for a particular seed. Every seed has its own initial frame. The initial frame ranges from 38 to 60. You use RNG Reporter's 'Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame' button to find your seed's initial frame.
Target Frame: A frame number you are trying to hit in order to get a desired result. This usually refers to the PIDRNG Frame.
Shifted Frame: This is the initial PIDRNG Frame for a particular seed PLUS whatever PID Frame advancements wandering (moving) trainers have done. Not every area has a Shifted Frame. Areas with no wandering trainers (e.g. Lostlorn Forest) and areas with trainers moving in a looping pattern (e.g. Route 9) will not give you a Shifted Frame. If your Shifted Frame is greater than your Target Frame, either re-save and try to get a lower Shifted Frame or don't use the Seed.
NPCs: Non-player character; also known as wandering trainers. *Tip* When you enter a new route/town, you reset the NPCs. For example, from Striaton City, bike quickly into Route 3 and then save right in front of the Daycare Man holding the egg. Then, power off and do your Egg abusing. This gives you a better chance of the NPCs not moving as you get to the game to collect the egg.
Encounter Slots: Encounter Slots are values that determine what Pokémon will appear depending on the PIDRNG frame on which you encounter it. Encounter Slots range from 0 to 11. They are different for each area. Certain Pokémon appear on certain Encounter Slots. For example, Joltik appears on Slot 0. This information is available under RNG Reporter's 5th Gen tools tab. Click to see: White | Black

Different Pokémon to RNG abuse listed from least difficult to most difficult to do

— Stationary Pokémon (Zekrom, Reshiram, Kyurem, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Volcarona)
— Gift Pokémon (Starters, Fossils, Magikarp, Dreamyard Monkey Trio; Larvesta Egg too but it has its own method)
— Wondercard Pokémon (Victini)
— Wild Pokémon in areas without moving NPCs using Encounter Slots
— Wild Pokémon in areas with moving NPCs using Encounter Slots
— Egg Abuse
— Swirling Dust / Bubbling Water Spot (Surf/Fish)
— White Forest Abuse (nonshiny and Synchronize)
— Roamer IV and Nature Abuse (nonshiny)
— C-Gear abuse for Entralink Pokémon from the Dream World
— Roamer IV/Nature Shiny Abuse in Snow or Rain

RNG Knowledge

— Standard Seed Abuse: This method of RNG abuse requires precision down to the second. These seeds are determined the second you start your game from the DS menu. They are very easy to hit.
Initial Frame for IVs
— For wild and stationary Pokémon, the initial frame will be 1.
— For hatched Pokémon, the initial frame will be 8.
— For roaming Pokémon, the initial frame will be 1 but slightly different. The speed IV will be put before the SpAtk IV, shifting them to the right.
— RNG Reporter takes into account these changes, so you don't have to worry much about this.
Advancing the IV Frame
— Moving 128 steps with # Pokémon in your party will advance the frame by # Pokémon
— Moving a Pokémon to your party from the PC Box (Withdraw/Move) will advance the frame by 7.
— Entering a battle will advance the frame by approximately 120 frames per second. Not recommended on your DS.
Initial Frame for PID
— The PID, or Personality Value, is responsible for a Pokémon's nature, ability, shiny color, and so on. Click for more details.
— This will vary between 38 to 60 from seed to seed. Always use RNG Reporter to calculate the Initial PID Frame for you.
— Advancing the PID Frame
— Chattering Chatot: After teaching Chatot a recorded Chatter by using your DS microphone, every time you view its summary screen, its custom cry will advance the frame by 1.
— Saving the game will advance the frame by 1.
— Walking in areas with wild Pokémon will advance the frame by 2.
— Turning in areas with wild Pokémon will advance the frame by 2.
— Wandering NPCs will randomly advance the frame.
— Breeding Information
— Do NOT use Power Items. They are not supported and will give you weird results.
— Ditto is considered as the opposite gender of the other Pokémon.
— Ditto is considered as the female when breeding a genderless Pokémon.
— Nidoran and Illumise/Volbeat species are not determined by Gender Ratios listed. They will be listed separately.



Finding Your DS Parameters
Click on the thumbnails on the right for additional guidance!
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Step 1
— Obtain a Sweet Scenter. Have it in your party.
— Have a party of 5 or less Pokémon.
— Save your game in Victory Road. You will be catching a wild Pokémon very soon.
— Download and open the RNG Reporter.
— Click the DS Parameters Search button.
Step 2
— Enter your game's version and language. Select the DS Type as DS Original/DS Lite (or DSi / 3DS if applicable).
— Enter your entire DS MAC Address (ignore the hyphens).
— Ensure that the Held Buttons are set to None.
— The remaining Seed Encryption variable ranges are the default.
Step 3
— The Date and Time is based on the DS's internal clock. For DS Original/Lite, use the clock shown on the menu to hit a time. For DSi/3DS, use an external clock (click for info).
— Choose any Target Date, Hour, Minute, but use 25 Seconds for simplicity reasons.
— In this example, my Target Time is July 20th, 6:13:25. I set my DS clock to July 20th, 6:13:00. Save DS options. Power off. Power on.
— From the DS Main Menu, at the moment the seconds hand clearly hits 25 seconds, click the A button to launch the Pokémon game.
Step 4
— Do NOT press any buttons until the white "Pokémon Company, Nintendo" message disappears. You can click A the moment you see the Gamefreak logo and opening cutscene. Load your save file.
— Do NOT launch the C-Gear. Use Sweet Scent immediately to enter a Pokémon battle. Catch that Pokémon.
— Use an IV Calculator to find the Pokémon's IV ranges.
— Input its IV ranges into RNG Reporter.
Step 5
— Click the Search button. You should have 1 result. For DS Original/Lite and DSi, the Actual Second should be +1 the second you hit. For 3DS, the Actual Second should be +8 the second you hit.
— If you get 2 or more results, examine the Actual Seconds column. In this example, I clicked A at 25 seconds. I look at the result with 26 seconds. I ignore the second result of 33 seconds.
— Write down your Timer0 value. In this example, my Timer0 value is C7C
Step 6
— You will be repeating the process of catching a Pokémon again. Turn off the DS. Turn on the DS.
— While on the DS Main Menu, note the Date/Time. Aim to hit another Target Time.
— In this example, I want to hit a Target Time of July 20th, 6:17:25. Update this new Target Time in RNG Reporter. Erase the IV ranges.
Step 7
— Hit that Target Time. Load the game. Sweet Scent a Pokémon. Catch it. Calculate IV Ranges. Enter the IV Ranges. Click Search.
— Note the Actual Second and Timer0 value again. Repeat this capture process 1-5 more tries until you find your most common Timer0 value.
— In this example, on my second try, I get Actual Seconds 26 and Timer0 Value C7C. On my third try, I get a Timer0 value of C7D. I'll be using C7C as it is my more common Timer0 Value. You CANNOT control your Timer0 Value.


What the heck does all of this mean, blade???


— The basic 5th Generation RNG process is: By using your DS's unique parameters, the RNG Reporter will find suitable shiny/IV Target Spreads. You will attempt to hit the Target Time of this Target Spread.
— "Unique?" You MUST use the exact DS system, game file, and its parameters when you are searching for shiny/IV spreads. Changing your DS system or Pokémon version will give you errors. If you have multiple DS systems, they will have different parameters. However, you do not have to find your parameters again if you do a new game.
— "My DS Parameters...." Keep your MAC Address and Timer0 values stored safely either in RNG Reporter, notepad/word, or a forum post/message.
— "Timer0 Values" They should be adjacent, or nearby. DS Original/Lite average Timer0 values in order: C7A, C7B, C7C, C7D, C7E, C7F, C80, C81, C82 and so on.
— "Held Buttons?" Known as Keypresses. More keypresses = More results = more time searching for spreads. You will have the option of searching target spreads with no held buttons and target spreads requiring 1, 2, and up to 3 button combinations. I like to search 1 or 2 Keypresses.
"Target Time..?" Notice the differential of 1 second? When I had hit a Target Second of 25, I got an Actual Second of 26. This means that when you are attempting to hit Target Times, you will click the A button 1 second before your Target Time to make up for this 1 second delay (for 3DS, this will be 8 seconds).
— For example, some flawless spread is at October 12th, 15:26:58. I set my DS clock to 15:26:00 and will click A at 15:26:57. This allows me to hit 15:26:58.

I am not getting any results...


— Make sure that you are hitting the correct military time.
— Make sure that you are not holding any buttons when loading the Pokémon game. After clicking A, allow the white screen and Pokémon Company, Nintendo message to play. You may begin pressing any buttons as soon as the shooting stars / Gamefreak logo plays.
— You do not have to button mash and you should not be. Just hit the target time and normally enter the game world.
— Make sure that you are not turning on the C-Gear or activating Wi-Fi.
— Make sure that you were saved in an area with wild Pokémon (e.g. Victory Road).
— Make sure that you were saved with a prepared party (e.g. Sweet Scenter). Do NOT withdraw party members.
— Make sure you are not walking around. Use Sweet Scent ASAP.
— Make sure you are not attempting RNG abuse while charging the DS.
— Make sure you are using the same DS and Pokémon version you used to obtain your MAC address and DS Parameters.
— Check everything entered in RNG Reporter. The Pokémon version, the language, the MAC address.
— Widen your parameter search range and/or redo your parameter search.
— If all else fails, explain your procedure and problems.

I am using a DSi (XL) / 3DS...


— This guide is made where I use the original DS system. If you're using a DSi/3DS, you will find different parameters than those in the the Finding Your DS Parameters steps. Despite this change, the overall RNG abusing procedure is the same for any DS system. Be aware of this as you move on to the Capturing and Hatching steps below.
Unlike the DS Original/Lite, the DSi and 3DS do NOT have a clear seconds reading. You will have to synchronize your system's clock with an external clock with a clear seconds reading (e.g. your computer's clock). *Tip* Change DSi/3DS time when your computer clock hits :00 seconds. Then, follow your computer clock. This is an easy way to synchronize clocks but also not mess up your computer's time by much.
— Here are average parameters to help you better judge if you are on the right path. Remember, use the parameters YOU find. Big thanks to chiizu for this research.
— Actual Second
— DSi: takes 1 second to load. Therefore, you need to start 1 second ahead of your target time. Note that some may find actual seconds of 2 or 3. Find your own actual second.
— DSi XL: When the external clock is 00 Seconds and you hit SET, the clock doesn't actually SET it for 1-2 seconds. You should leave an extra minute to observe the 00 rollover on the DSi XL to make sure you hit the seed properly.
— 3DS: takes 8 seconds to load. Therefore, you need to start 8 seconds ahead of your target time.
— Parameters
— JP Black on JP DSi: Timer0: 1237, 1238 || VCount: 8C || VFrame: 9
— JP White on JP DSi and JP 3DS: Timer0: 1232, 1233, 1234 || VCount: 8C || VFrame: 9
— EN White on JP DSi: Timer0: 125F, 1260 || VCount: 8D || VFrame: 8
— EN White on US DSi: Timer0: 12BB || VCount: 90 || VFrame: 8
— EN White (different cartridge) on EU 3DS: Timer0: 12BB || VCount: 90 || VFrame: 8
— EN Black on US DSi: Timer0: 123C || VCount: 8C || VFrame: 8


Capturing Flawless Shiny Pokémon
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Step 1
— If you just found your DS Parameters, you can click on the "Use Result in Time Finder" button. If not, retrieve your DS Parameters from wherever you saved them.
— Enter your entire MAC Address, Version+language, and DS Type. Don't check Soft Reset.
— Choose your preference for the Keypresses. Click the bubble if your L/R buttons don't work.
— If you found one Timer0 value, input that in twice.
— If you found two Timer0 values, input your Timer0 Minimum and Timer0 Maximum.
— The other settings should be the default, which vary from person to person.
— Use the DS parameters YOU found. Don't necessarily use mine.
Step 2
— Go to Capture tab. Customize Year and Month. Make Min/Max Frame as 1.
— Change Method to Gen 5 IVs (Standard Seed) and Encounter Type as Wild Pokémon. Leave Encounter Slot as Any.
— Customize IV ranges.
— Note: If you are attempting to catch a shiny flawless Stationary legend (Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Kyurem, Volcarona), you should use Encounter Type Stationary Pokémon instead of Wild Pokémon.
Step 3
— If your desired Pokémon can have 2 abilities, specify Ability. Use RNG Reporter's built in Pokédex (on a tab on the main menu) to determine if an Ability is 0 or 1.
— You may specify Nature. Do use a Synchronized Nature of some sort. Synchonizing a nature will greatly improve your odds of finding a good nature shiny. You may check this box: Synchronize Frames Only. Based on my experiences, the Any / Synch / Only setup will net me plenty of available shiny spreads.
— Enter ID/SID. Check the box Search for Nearby Shiny Frame. Enter 300 as Max Shiny Offset. Check the box Use True Minimum Frame.
Step 4
— Click Generate. You may have to wait several moments until RNG Reporter finds results. If you are very specific, this search can last for several hours
— Examine the Nearby Shiny column. The higher the nearby shiny frame, the more time it will take to advance to it. I prefer shiny frames under 150, but I am willing to go up to 300.
— Examine the Encounter Slot column. Certain shiny spreads will only have you encounter certain Pokémon. To determine what Pokémon appears on what Encounter Slot, click to see the tables, which are also available from RNG Reporter's main window in the 5th Gen Tools tab: Pokémon White Encounter Slots | Black Encounter Slots.
Step 5
— Examine the Date/Time Column. A good second is between 15 to 59. Any second between 0-14 is possible to hit, but time consuming (you have to adjust your DS clock to a whole minute before the Target Time, wait for it to roll over a minute, and then press A 1 second before your Target Second).
— Examine the Keypress column. If you searched for 1, 2, or 3 Keypresses, remember to simultaneously press and hold ALL these buttons properly. Although using No Keypress is easier, you will find fewer available spreads.
— Pick a good seed you can work with. Highlight its row, right click, and click Copy Seed to Clipboard.
Step 6
— Minimize the Time Finder window. Return to the main window of RNG Reporter.
— From the dropdown menu, change Method to Gen 5 PIDRNG. Change Encounter Type to Wild Pokémon. Enter your Synch Nature. Enter your ID and SID
— Change Max Results to 300. Copy Paste your Full Seed into Seed(Hex).
— If your Tornadus/Thundurus is roaming the Unova region, check the box. Click Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame. It will update the Starting Frame box.
Step 7
— Click Generate. You can scroll down the generated table until you see and verify that your shiny frame is on this seed (a !!! indicates shiny).
— Save in the location of your desired target with a prepared party of 5 Pokémon or less: Synchronizer in the front, Chattering Chatot, Sweet Scenter, and ideally something to easily capture the target with (e.g. False Swipe or Sleep inducing moves).
— Get your Seed's Date, Time, and any Keypresses (if you have any). These next steps will be a lot like finding your DS Parameters. Do click on the image for this step to see how I've gathered everything from Time Finder (steps 4 and 5) for the Seed I picked, HP Fire.
Step 8
— In this example, my Target Date is Dec. 4th, 2011. My Target Time is 13:55:14. I have Keypresses Select and Left.
— Change the DS Clock to Seed's Target Date /Time. In this example, I change the date to Dec. 2 and 13:55:00
— In this example, my Target Second is 14. If you recall how we found a differential of 1 second, I will be pressing A at the DS main menu at this moment: 13:55:13, or the moment the DS clock's second hand hits 13 seconds. You do a similar process.
— As soon as you press A, press and hold all of your Keypress buttons, if your seed requires them. Hold them until you get completely past the until the white "Pokémon Company, Nintendo" message. If you don't have Keypresses, press nothing until after this white message. Continue your file. Do NOT launch C-Gear.
Step 9
— Upon entering the game world, immediately press X to pause and access the menu. Open your party. Use Sweet Scent. Catch that Pokémon. Check its IVs with an IV Calculator. If the IVs match that of your Target Frame (in this example, mine should match HP Fire), look for a match on the table.
— Consider looking at the Pokémon's nature, gender, ability, and species (encounter slots). The Pokémon should be 1-10 frames within your Starting Frame.
— If the Pokémon's IVs did not match, reset and retry hitting your Target Time.
— Do NOT save during this process.
Step 10
— If you find a match, note what frame number it is on. This is the Shifted Frame. Wandering trainers on the route have slightly shifted your PID Frame.
— Note: If you were in an area where there were no trainers, such as Lostlorn Forest, then you will not have a Shifted Frame. Your match would be the Starting Frame, assuming you hit your Seed / got your desired IVs.
Target Frame minus Shifted Frame. In this example, I caught a Quirky Pokémon, which is Frame 47. I need to advance to Frame 225. Frame 225 - Frame 47 = 178 Chatter Advancements.
Step 11
— Turn off your DS. Turn it back on. Change the DS clock back to your Target Time. In this example, I change it back again to 17:22:00. Press A 1 second before your Target Second. In this example, I again hit A at 13 seconds. I do my 2 Keypresses (Select and Left) at this moment until the white message clears.
— You're basically doing step 8 and 9 again. Continue file; don't activate C-Gear. However, instead of immediately using Sweet Scent, immediately press X to pause and open your party. Go the the Chatot. View its summary. Every time you hear Chatot's custom Chatter, the PIDRNG Frame is advanced by 1.
— Do your calculated Chatter advancements now. In this example, I calculated that I must listen to its cry 178 times. Once you're finished with your Chatter advancements, then use Sweet Scent.
— The wild Pokémon should be shiny with your desired IVs. If not, turn off the DS and attempt to hit your Target Time again.


Hatching Flawless Shiny Pokémon
Click on the thumbnails on the right for additional guidance!
Images
Colors match!
Step 1
— Gather good/flawless daycare parents and an Everstone. Know IVs of parents.
— Give Everstone to the parent with a desirable natue. Do NOT give Power Items to the parents. Deposit them into the Daycare and ride around on your bike until they produce an egg.
— Have a party of 5 or less Pokémon, including helpful Pokémon: Chattering Chatot, Quick Egg Hatcher, Flier. Optional: Sweet Scenter.
— Save your game directly in front of the Day-Care Old Man.
— Open the RNG Reporter.
— Click the Time Finder button.
Step 2
— Enter your entire MAC Address, Version+language, and DS Type. Don't check Soft Reset.
— Choose your preference for the Keypresses. Click the Skip L\R Buttons box if your L\R buttons don't work.
— If you found one Timer0 value, input that in twice.
— If you found two Timer0 values, input your Timer0 Minimum and Timer0 Maximum.
— The other settings should be the default, which vary from person to person.
— Use the DS parameters YOU found. Don't necessarily use mine.
Step 3
— Go to the 4th/5th Gen Shiny Egg tab.
— Change Breeding Type to Black/White. Change Everstone into desirable nature. If you're using international parents, then select BW (international). Using international parents will increase your shiny odds.
— Customize Year and Month. Enter Min/Max Frame as 45 to 250. Don't check Use True Minimum Frame.
— Update other checkboxes (if Ditto is a parent, Show offspring's inheritance, or shiny only) as desired.
— Check Shiny Only box if you are going for Shiny Pokémon.
Step 4
— Customize Nature, Ability, and Gender Ratio. Use Serebii.net to look up a Pokémon's Gender Ratio. Check Dream World Ability Only if desired. To pass Dream World abilities, the female must have the DW ability and neither parent can be Ditto. Enter your game's ID and SID.
— Use RNG Reporter's built-in Pokedex-IV Checker to check what ability is 0 and 1 for Pokémon with 2 abilities. For example, Solosis's Magic Guard is ability 1.
— Enter IVs of the Parent Pokémon.
— Ditto acts as the opposite gender of the other parent or if genderless breeding, Ditto acts as the female parent.
— Customize IV ranges.
Step 5
— Click Generate. You may have to wait several moments until RNG Reporter finds results.
— Examine the Frame column. A good frame number is between 55-100. Anything between 40-55 and 100-250 may be difficult or tedious to hit. Anything under 40 is impossible to hit. I made the criteria 45-250 so you are better aware of this.
— Examine the Date/Time Column. A good second is between 15 to 59. Any second between 0-14 is possible to hit, but time consuming (you have to adjust your DS clock to a whole minute before the Target Time, wait for it to roll over a minute, and then press A).
— Examine the Keypress column. If you searched for 1, 2, or 3 Keypresses, remember to press and hold these buttons properly. Although using No Keypress is easier, you may find fewer available spreads.
Step 6
— Pick a good seed you can work with. Highlight its row, right click, and Copy Seed to Clipboard.
— Minimize the Time Finder window. Return to the main window of RNG Reporter.
— From the dropdown menu, change Method to Breeding (BW). If you're using international breeding, just change Method to Breeding (BW, International).
— Change Max Results to 250. Copy Paste your Full Seed into Seed(Hex).
— If your Tornadus/Thundurus is roaming the Unova region, check the box. Click Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame. It will update the Starting Frame box.
— Enter your ID and SID.
Step 7
— Click Generate. Highlight any row, right click, click Display Parents in Search.
— Enter IVs of Female Parent & Male Parent. Click the Get IVs from IVRNG (Frame 8).
— If done correctly, RNG Reporter will show the IVs and Characteristic of the baby Pokémon.
— Scroll down on the table and verify your shiny frame is on this seed (a !!! indicates shiny). In this example, hitting Frame 78 will give us a shiny Timid flawless.
Step 8
— Get your Seed's Date, Time, and any Keypresses (as shown in step 5). In this example, I use Seed 0EB92FB3CBE49287, which has Target Date of Dec. 3rd, 2011 and Target Time 13:43:33. I have no Keypresses.
— Change the DS Clock to Seed's Target Date /Time. In this example, I change the date to Dec. 3rd and 13:43:00.
— In this example, my Target Second is 33. If you recall how we found a differential of 1 second, I will be pressing A at the DS main menu at this moment: 13:43:32, or the moment the DS clock's second hand hits 32 seconds.
— As soon as you click A, if applicable, press and hold your Keypress combination if you need to. Hold them until you get completely past the until the white "Pokémon Company, Nintendo" message. If you don't have Keypresses, press nothing until after this white message. Continue your file. Do NOT launch C-Gear.
Step 9
— Immediately interact with the Daycare Man and collect the egg. You should have been saved in front of the Daycare Man with your prepared party (of 5 or less Pokémon). Hatch the egg. Do not save during this process.
— Take note of the baby's nature, gender, ability, and characteristics. Take it to the IV judge in the Battle Subway to check its IVs (available after you beat the game).
— Match the baby's nature, gender, ability, and characteristic on the table. If you find a match, note what frame number it is on. This is the Shifted Frame. Wandering trainers on Route 3 have slightly shifted your PID Frame.
Target Frame minus Shifted Frame. In this example, I had hatched a Relaxed Pokémon, which is Frame 50. I need to advance to Frame 78. Frame 78 - Frame 50 = 28 Chatter Advancements.
— If you did not find a match on the table, reset and repeat hitting your Target Time until you find a match.
Step 10
— Turn off your DS. Turn it back on. Change the DS clock back to your Target Time. In this example, I change it back again to 13:43:00. Press A 1 second before your Target Second. In this example, I again hit A at 32 seconds. I do no Keypresses at this moment.
— You're basically doing step 8 and 9 again. Continue file; don't activate C-Gear. However, instead of immediately collecting the egg from the Daycare Man, immediately press X to pause and open your party. Go the the Chatot. View its summary. Every time you hear Chatot's custom Chatter, the PIDRNG Frame is advanced by 1.
— Do your calculated Chatter advancements now. In this example, I calculated that I must listen to its cry 20 times. Exit party and immediately collect the egg.
— Hatch the egg. It should hatch into a Shiny. If it did not, reset and try again.
Step 11: Optional Shortcut
— Let's say that you have a really troublesome Pokémon to hatch, like Dratini or Larvesta. Upon completing your Chatter advancements, immediately collect the egg. Fly to the Pokémon League. Go to Victory Road and immediately enter a wild Pokémon battle (either by using Sweet Scent or turning your character in place). Catch it and find its approximate IVs.
— Go back to RNG Reporter's Main Menu. From the dropdown menu, change Method to Gen 5 IVs (Standard Seed). Change Starting Frame to 1. Click Generate.
— Look at Frames 14-20. If the caught Pokémon has roughly matching IVs on the table, you have successfully hit your seed. If there is no match, your egg will not be shiny flawless, but this saves you from hatching the wrong one.











Special Thanks ❤

AlexOzzyCake, Gonz0, greg0915, johnny18, Kirozane, Mac of York, miakalina, and twistedpuppy for helping me finish and polish this guide. Danmad1, EmbC, Fluffee, Jolteon*, SCV058, and Sevrah for testing the guide in its early stages. Smogon for the RNG research and original guide.

Cordelia March 4th, 2012 8:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmbC (Post 7072310)
May I join Mac? plz
I hope I'll edit t later with the RNG

Of course you may join! Just post a new post so it'll be easier for me to find. I can't wait to see it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake (Post 7072312)
Challenge #1 is interesting, I'll hit that up soon! I think my target is going to be a Sandshrew. Despite it being my favourite Pokemon, it's also the first one I ever caught; maybe the two are linked! The most recent RNG I did was quite some time ago back when Trade Corner was trying to cheer up Twisted with pink RNGs, but that was a flawless Clefairy <3 Timer0 was kind, it only took one try. But the lack of NPCs in the giant chasm place was useful!

I can't wait to see your Sandshrew! Timer0 is almost never kind to me lately, but neither is delay. The lack of NPCs is quite useful, but I hate having to clear the weather. :(

---

My newest RNG for my lovely Auntie K!

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Aipom ♀ Lv. 1 http://www.pokecheck.org/i/notshiny.png
OT: Mac | ID: 36152
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Run Away
IVs: 31, 31, 31, 31, 31, 31
EVs: Untrained
Moves: Low Kick, Fake Out, U-turn, Double Hit
Non-Redis

johnny18 March 4th, 2012 9:40 AM

Count me in for this club
Challenge completed :D. Clefairy reminds me of the fun pokemon manga in which Red had a clefairy that clefairy knew how to talk <3. I miss that manga so much.
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OT:Tevin l ID:28568 l NN: Pandora
IVs: 31-2-31-31-31-31
Nature: Calm l Ability: Magic Guard
Caught at Mt. Moon

Cordelia March 4th, 2012 10:15 AM

Congratulations, johnny! Clefairy was almost made for the love ball ^^ You were the first one to complete a challenge, yay!

Luckily, I'm not too far behind... challenge completed!

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Pikachu ♀ Lv. 4 http://www.pokecheck.org/i/notshiny.png
OT: Luna | ID: 04440
Nature: Timid
Ability: Static
IVs: 31, 7, 31, 31, 31, 31
EVs: Untrained
Moves: ThunderShock, Growl
Non-Redis

Pikachu was always one of my favorites since I first saw the mouse Pokemon in the anime and with Pokemon Yellow! I just love this little mouse and I'd die for a plushie of it, but my wife would never let me live that down! I would have done Charmander, since that's obviously my absolute favorite, but you can't catch him anywhere. :(

Gonzo March 4th, 2012 2:25 PM

Bro, make me co-owner before I go on hiatus :D

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/602.gif
31/30/30/31/31/31 Modest, Nest Ball (and yeah, it's shiny)
my very first 5th gen love

edit: since now, on hiatus ^^

Melinda March 4th, 2012 2:27 PM

Woot RNG abuse club. I haven't RNG'd anything in the last few days. I'll try and figure something out for the challenge tonight. Most likely it will be 4th gen though.

Cordelia March 4th, 2012 2:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonz0 (Post 7072506)
Bro, make me co-owner before I go on hiatus :D

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/602.gif
31/30/30/31/31/31 Modest, Nest Ball (and yeah, it's shiny)
my very first 5th gen love

edit: since now, on hiatus ^^

Maybe when you get back ;) Right now I need active help. ^^

Quote:

Originally Posted by miakalina (Post 7072510)
Woot RNG abuse club. I haven't RNG'd anything in the last few days. I'll try and figure something out for the challenge tonight. Most likely it will be 4th gen though.

I can't wait to see you come up with, sweet pair! I'm sure it'll be as amazing as you are ;)

EB March 4th, 2012 6:00 PM

I think I just found my new clubhouse. ;o

=

Pretty sure I've completed this challenge...

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anim/626.gif

31/31/31/22/31/31 - Adamant, Ultra Ball (shiny [no Chatot yet...])

Bouffalant is Tauros reincarnated, which happened to be my all-time favorite G1 Pokémon. (I mean, seriously; what's more bada** than a Tauros with an afro??) The one and only Mac of York guided me through this capture when I needed help--it having been my first time and all--and was very patient in answering all of my questions. Thanks again, dude! <3

Cordelia March 4th, 2012 6:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7072718)
I think I just found my new clubhouse. ;o

=

Pretty sure I've completed this challenge...

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anim/626.gif

31/31/31/22/31/31 - Adamant, Ultra Ball (shiny [no Chatot yet...])

Bouffalant is Tauros reincarnated, which happened to be my all-time favorite G1 Pokémon. (I mean, seriously; what's more bada** than a Tauros with an afro??) The one and only Mac of York guided me through this capture when I needed help--it having been my first time and all--and was very patient in answering all of my questions. Thanks again, dude! <3

Ha, a newbie to RNG and he already completes the challenge! Glad I could help you! The first RNG is usually one of the most painful, I've found out. Timer0 and your fingers seem to betray you the most at first.

oocyst March 5th, 2012 12:58 AM

I'm gonna go ahead and join this <3
Ugh can't RNG right now gtg to school! I'll do it after.

Cordelia March 5th, 2012 8:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rednael (Post 7073100)
I'm gonna go ahead and join this <3
Ugh can't RNG right now gtg to school! I'll do it after.

You can RNG now! Get to work ;) Hahaha... I can't wait to see what you come up with.

Anyway, I'd like to open the floor to suggestions for future challenges... if I have a list of them it'd be a lot easier than me just thinking them up.

What would you like to see as a challenge? Post and discuss!

SS01 March 5th, 2012 9:47 AM

Hey Mac! I'll join this, just promise not to laugh at my RNG's!
I'll post with my challenge entry (Chikorita) later. For further challenges, hmm.. A seasonal thing, maybe?

Cordelia March 5th, 2012 9:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShinySearcher01 (Post 7073540)
Hey Mac! I'll join this, just promise not to laugh at my RNG's!
I'll post with my challenge entry (Chikorita) later. For further challenges, hmm.. A seasonal thing, maybe?

I don't laugh at any RNGs :P A seasonal thing? Like... RNG your favorite winter-like Pokemon... so basically any ice types or winter Deerling... or something.

EB March 5th, 2012 10:09 AM

Ratatat - Billar
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7073462)
What would you like to see as a challenge? Post and discuss!

(1) I think something fun would be seeing how many RNGs we could come up with within a set time period. You could possibly segregate these by type as well. ^.^

(2) Assigning people RNGs they haven't already collected is another slightly less original idea.

(3) Trying to find your seed on the first attempt? (no set time limit; long-standing)

I have a few more ideas, but I'm thinking that most of these challenges would have to be made available for over four days, if not unlimited. Making a checklist of specific accomplishments seems more reasonable for RNGing, imo.

Cordelia March 5th, 2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7073568)
(1) I think something fun would be seeing how many RNGs we could come up with within a set time period. You could possibly segregate these by type as well. ^.^

(2) Assigning people RNGs they haven't already collected is another slightly less original idea.

(3) Trying to find your seed on the first attempt? (no set time limit; long-standing)

I have a few more ideas, but I'm thinking that most of these challenges would have to be made available for over four days, if not unlimited. Making a checklist of specific accomplishments seems more reasonable for RNGing, imo.

1) That is something we could do as another assignment/challenge thing... but it would be a different category. Honestly though, that sounds insane xD

2) Assigning RNGs? Hmm... honestly I don't want to assign people anything, but I want them to RNG what they want. I am worried that assigning might take away the fun.

3) Now this would only apply for 5th generation, right? You have to find your shifted frame first and all... not sure.

I was mainly thinking of challenges as you are thinking of assignments "RNG a Pokemon that is your least favorite!" or something. I'm not sure at all though.

oocyst March 5th, 2012 11:56 AM

I did the challenge!
I have been looking for a favourite pokemon for a long time, I like a lot of pokemon but I never really loved any, until I met Cradily. That's why I RNGd a shiny lileep. I don't really like shiny Cradily though, so I'm gonna do a regular one too, just because I can!

http://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/345.png
Lileep
Suction Cups|Careful
31|31|31|3|31|31
Curse|Recover|Toxic|Rock Slide
Hatched in Relic Castle

LegendaryFSK March 5th, 2012 12:22 PM

I would like to join!

I chose to RNG breed a Growlithe to complete this challenge because he was my very first favorite Pokémon and will always remain one of my favorites.

Also, would like to say, I'm very proud of this RNG abuse. After a bunch of failed attempts at trying to breed using RNG, this is my first successful abuse while breeding!

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Growlithe http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png | Level 1
Jay Jay | 37261 | Black
Jolly | Intimidate | 31 31 31 00 31 31
Flare Blitz | Close Combat | Wild Charge | Bite

Cordelia March 5th, 2012 1:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rednael (Post 7073673)
I did the challenge!
I have been looking for a favourite pokemon for a long time, I like a lot of pokemon but I never really loved any, until I met Cradily. That's why I RNGd a shiny lileep. I don't really like shiny Cradily though, so I'm gonna do a regular one too, just because I can!

http://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/345.png
Lileep
Suction Cups|Careful
31|31|31|3|31|31
Curse|Recover|Toxic|Rock Slide
Hatched in Relic Castle

Very nice abuse and great work with completing the challenge! When someone asked me to breed a Lileep one time, I had to look up to see what in the heck it was! xD

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryFSK (Post 7073688)
I would like to join!

I chose to RNG breed a Growlithe to complete this challenge because he was my very first favorite Pokémon and will always remain one of my favorites.

Also, would like to say, I'm very proud of this RNG abuse. After a bunch of failed attempts at trying to breed using RNG, this is my first successful abuse while breeding!

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/058.gifhttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.png
Growlithe http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png | Level 1
Jay Jay | 37261 | Black
Jolly | Intimidate | 31 31 31 00 31 31
Flare Blitz | Close Combat | Wild Charge | Bite

Ahh, Growlithe! A very nice choice and an excellent shiny sprite, if I may say so myself. Welcome to the Club and congratulations on completing the challenge!

EB March 5th, 2012 3:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7073672)
I was mainly thinking of challenges as you are thinking of assignments "RNG a Pokemon that is your least favorite!" or something. I'm not sure at all though.

  1. RNG your favorite Pokémon of the "_____" type!
  2. Prepare for trouble... RNG a Pokémon used by Team Rocket!
  3. Get out of your comfort zone: RNG a Pokémon you've never used before.
  4. Who's your parallel? RNG a Pokémon that matches your personality and explain why you chose said 'mon.
  5. The trusty talisman: RNG a Pokémon you've always relied upon. What about that Pokémon motivates you to where it never seems to leave your side?

Might come up with some more later. But this is more along the lines of what you were looking for, right? =3

Melinda March 5th, 2012 3:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7073847)
  1. RNG your favorite Pokémon of the "_____" type!
  2. Prepare for trouble... RNG a Pokémon used by Team Rocket!
  3. Get out of your comfort zone: RNG a Pokémon you've never used before.
  4. Who's your parallel? RNG a Pokémon that matches your personality and explain why you chose said 'mon.
  5. The trusty talisman: RNG a Pokémon you've always relied upon. What about that Pokémon motivates you to where it never seems to leave your side?

Might come up with some more later. But this is more along the lines of what you were looking for, right? =3

I like this one, "Get out of your comfort zone: RNG a Pokémon you've never used before." Although I don't use 80% of what I RNG anyway. x3

EB March 5th, 2012 3:26 PM

Yeah, that one was definitely the most credible. Just kind of thinking out loud... you can use all or none of what you find. =p

Cordelia March 5th, 2012 3:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7073847)
  1. RNG your favorite Pokémon of the "_____" type!
  2. Prepare for trouble... RNG a Pokémon used by Team Rocket!
  3. Get out of your comfort zone: RNG a Pokémon you've never used before.
  4. Who's your parallel? RNG a Pokémon that matches your personality and explain why you chose said 'mon.
  5. The trusty talisman: RNG a Pokémon you've always relied upon. What about that Pokémon motivates you to where it never seems to leave your side?

Might come up with some more later. But this is more along the lines of what you were looking for, right? =3

Hot damn! Those were definitely along the lines of things I was looking for! I happen to like every one of them :3 *scribbles them down*

LegendaryFSK March 5th, 2012 8:52 PM

Thought I'd get a little more practice in today. (Getting ready to go to the midnight release for Mass Effect 3 and that game will be my life for at least a week.) Anyway, here are the Pokémon that I decided to RNG after that Growlithe.

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Phanpy http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png http://www.pokecheck.org/i/female.png | Level 1
Jay Jay | 37261 | Black
Impish | Pick Up | 31 31 31 01 31 31
Earthquake | Body Slam | Defense Curl | Growl


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Slowpoke http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png http://www.pokecheck.org/i/female.png | Level 1
Jay Jay | 37261 | Black
Modest | Regenerator | 31 02 31 31 31 31
Scald | Ice Beam | Toxic | Grass Knot


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Spoink http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png http://www.pokecheck.org/i/female.png | Level 1
Jay Jay | 37261 | Black
Calm | Thick Fat | 31 30 31 31 31 31
Psychic | Substitute | Splash

oocyst March 6th, 2012 2:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7073847)
  1. RNG your favorite Pokémon of the "_____" type!
  2. Prepare for trouble... RNG a Pokémon used by Team Rocket!
  3. Get out of your comfort zone: RNG a Pokémon you've never used before.
  4. Who's your parallel? RNG a Pokémon that matches your personality and explain why you chose said 'mon.
  5. The trusty talisman: RNG a Pokémon you've always relied upon. What about that Pokémon motivates you to where it never seems to leave your side?

Might come up with some more later. But this is more along the lines of what you were looking for, right? =3

I love these, and now I'm getting all excited about them! I want to do more challenges!

何贤豪 March 6th, 2012 3:08 AM

Hello!
Well, may I join this club? Firstly, I just need help and I also like RNG abuse. It allows you to get very good Pokemon/shiny Pokemon. Well, I always have problems with hitting my delay...I think I'll have to recalibrate. I may be able to hit a certain number of seconds, but delays are a different thing. I guess that they keep changing every time.
I'll be posting my very first HGSS RNG abuse (I only have HeartGold) after I can get rid of my problems with hitting my delay. Timers don't really help me.
I'll be following the challenges when I can finish my first project.
Thanks!

Cordelia March 6th, 2012 7:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryFSK (Post 7074243)
Thought I'd get a little more practice in today. (Getting ready to go to the midnight release for Mass Effect 3 and that game will be my life for at least a week.) Anyway, here are the Pokémon that I decided to RNG after that Growlithe.

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/231.gifhttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.png
Phanpy http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png http://www.pokecheck.org/i/female.png | Level 1
Jay Jay | 37261 | Black
Impish | Pick Up | 31 31 31 01 31 31
Earthquake | Body Slam | Defense Curl | Growl


http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/079.gifhttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.png
Slowpoke http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png http://www.pokecheck.org/i/female.png | Level 1
Jay Jay | 37261 | Black
Modest | Regenerator | 31 02 31 31 31 31
Scald | Ice Beam | Toxic | Grass Knot


http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/325.gifhttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.png
Spoink http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png http://www.pokecheck.org/i/female.png | Level 1
Jay Jay | 37261 | Black
Calm | Thick Fat | 31 30 31 31 31 31
Psychic | Substitute | Splash

Hot damn, someone's on a roll. Keep up the great work :D I can't wait to see what else you come up with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7074470)
Hello!
Well, may I join this club? Firstly, I just need help and I also like RNG abuse. It allows you to get very good Pokemon/shiny Pokemon. Well, I always have problems with hitting my delay...I think I'll have to recalibrate. I may be able to hit a certain number of seconds, but delays are a different thing. I guess that they keep changing every time.
I'll be posting my very first HGSS RNG abuse (I only have HeartGold) after I can get rid of my problems with hitting my delay. Timers don't really help me.
I'll be following the challenges when I can finish my first project.
Thanks!

Of course you may join this club, RGF! Well, timers should help you, so you need to keep working with it. How far off are you? Is it like 2-6ms or like 50ms? Or even maybe the seconds? Let me know.

RingoH March 6th, 2012 8:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7074631)
, RGF! Well, timers should help you, so you need to keep working with it. How far off are you? Is it like 2-6ms or like 50ms? Or even maybe the seconds? Let me know.

FYI: for those in need of a timer the one I use that helps is a JavaScript one which I can use on my phone. I tried two others which did not help me and I was trying to rely on just a clock. The JavaScript timer really opened my RnG experience a lot.
http://prng.infos.cx/timer.html

Mac:
Thanks for starting this group. I think this is a way cool way to share out collective RNG experiences. I'm so on board!!

Current challenge.... Hmmm... Most of my favorites I have recently bred and I don't want to repeat so soon... I think something from the trophy garden as a wild encounter... Partially because I happen to like Cute Pokemon, and partially I have never done a wild RNG and I want to finally try.

Future Challenge Ideas:
I was at Genericon all weekend and a Pokemon fan there said he wanted a Shiny Bidoof because it was his favorite really bad poke. My idea: breed or catch a shiny of a less than favorable Pokemon with a bad nature, and low IV's... But bonus points if it has a high hidden power(even more bonus points if it's a hidden power that is 70 but would not normally be a good choice for that species). I think it could be a very, very creative challenge...

Cordelia March 6th, 2012 8:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RingoH (Post 7074670)
FYI: for those in need of a timer the one I use that helps is a JavaScript one which I can use on my phone. I tried two others which did not help me and I was trying to rely on just a clock. The JavaScript timer really opened my RnG experience a lot.
http://prng.infos.cx/timer.html

Mac:
Thanks for starting this group. I think this is a way cool way to share out collective RNG experiences. I'm so on board!!

Current challenge.... Hmmm... Most of my favorites I have recently bred and I don't want to repeat so soon... I think something from the trophy garden as a wild encounter... Partially because I happen to like Cute Pokemon, and partially I have never done a wild RNG and I want to finally try.

Future Challenge Ideas:
I was at Genericon all weekend and a Pokemon fan there said he wanted a Shiny Bidoof because it was his favorite really bad poke. My idea: breed or catch a shiny of a less than favorable Pokemon with a bad nature, and low IV's... But bonus points if it has a high hidden power(even more bonus points if it's a hidden power that is 70 but would not normally be a good choice for that species). I think it could be a very, very creative challenge...

I recommend EonTimer -- that's what I use and it really helps. That JavaScript Timer I've really had issues with, never been able to figure it out. Welcome, though! An interesting idea, reminds me of my lulzfisk I did XD

RingoH March 6th, 2012 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7074690)
I recommend EonTimer -- that's what I use and it really helps. That JavaScript Timer I've really had issues with, never been able to figure it out. Welcome, though! An interesting idea, reminds me of my lulzfisk I did XD

I tried PikaTimer when I first started to RNG with bad luck, then Eon Timer... In both cases I found I was having to manually change the delay by a lot to get even close. I find that the time from when I hit A on the DS to when I hit A on the continue screen is four seconds longer than my calculated delay would indicate. I just find it easier since I know that, to do my own math and calculate the time needed. I also like the added bonus of using it on my iPhone. I find that I more accurately start the timer and the game at the same time using the phone than the computer. I felt even when using the space bar to start that a timer on the computer felt like it had an unpredictable delay and fail to sync.

BZW Golem March 6th, 2012 1:02 PM

May I join?

I'm an RNG n00b, I only know 5 gen and I only RNGed natures and IV's..
because I was always too lazy to learn more (and because I don't like 90% of the shinies so i don't have much motivation >.>).

Maybe being here will motivate me to do more xD

I will try to do the challenge tomorrow, firstly I have to make RNG Reporter work on my computer..
new Linux, still no WINE, so no .net, and I bet that this little things will give me some trouble today >.>

Cordelia March 6th, 2012 1:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RingoH (Post 7074893)
I tried PikaTimer when I first started to RNG with bad luck, then Eon Timer... In both cases I found I was having to manually change the delay by a lot to get even close. I find that the time from when I hit A on the DS to when I hit A on the continue screen is four seconds longer than my calculated delay would indicate. I just find it easier since I know that, to do my own math and calculate the time needed. I also like the added bonus of using it on my iPhone. I find that I more accurately start the timer and the game at the same time using the phone than the computer. I felt even when using the space bar to start that a timer on the computer felt like it had an unpredictable delay and fail to sync.

Oh, alright. Well, honestly just use whatever works for you. That's cool though since I could never figure out how to use that damned javascript timer... lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BZW Golem (Post 7074921)
May I join?

I'm an RNG n00b, I only know 5 gen and I only RNGed natures and IV's..
because I was always too lazy to learn more (and because I don't like 90% of the shinies so i don't have much motivation >.>).

Maybe being here will motivate me to do more xD

I will try to do the challenge tomorrow, firstly I have to make RNG Reporter work on my computer..
new Linux, still no WINE, so no .net, and I bet that this little things will give me some trouble today >.>

Sure, you can join, but I will warn you that trying to get RNG Reporter to run under Linux is a huge pain. I could never get it working so I used a ...free... copy of Windows to run it in VirtualBox.

EB March 6th, 2012 1:40 PM

I've been Googling and I think I've gone through at least three different guides by now, trying to find out how RNGing actually works. All the guides I've read only seem to talk about what the individual needs to do to get their proper Pokémon; they never seem to explain how they game processes the information we feed it to give us the results we're looking for.

I think that if we did more to elaborate this, more people would be able to grasp the entire picture, maybe even without other forms of communication outside of text. Without this information, they'll just dive in, mess things up, and start bombarding others with noob questions about why they didn't get their flawless shiny legendary. (And we all know we've been guilty of similar issues.) By giving examples of mistakes and how the game responds in patterns during such mistakes, we could also help explain to people how the game spat out the results it did--ultimately narrowing down the possible things the person messed up on.

This way they don't have to restart, praying they get every single little detail on the bulls-eye, without even really knowing what went wrong. They'll be able to pinpoint the human error and eliminate it within the first few tries, knowing full well that none of the other elements were the issue. All this is really offering is just the proper means of practice; if the individual was without a clue as to what went wrong, if they're smart they'll end up looking for the thing that caused their problem: they'll try to control all but one function and fluctuate that one while the others remain fixed. If that wasn't it, they'll do so with another function, ultimately leading to a ridiculously grueling process of trial and error.

If you get what I'm saying, does anyone else agree with this? Or have I simply been looking in the wrong places, where the game's processing hasn't been addressed?

BZW Golem March 6th, 2012 1:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7074931)
Sure, you can join, but I will warn you that trying to get RNG Reporter to run under Linux is a huge pain. I could never get it working so I used a ...free... copy of Windows to run it in VirtualBox.

Hm?
I made it work previously on Ubuntu 10.04 and Fedora 15..
I can't say that it "worked just fine" but it worked "fine enough" xD

It calculated everything right.. things like "invisible checkboxes" were annoying but not impossible to deal with :3

@earth boy

Well, to be frank.. people are stupid.

RNG guides are already long and complicated for a newbie.. but are written in a way that gives everyone an equal chance to RNG, without much knowledge about programming, algorithms etc.

To explain not only how to do it, but also how it works.. that would be much longer and complicated.
I don't think anyone has enough patience to do that.
Especially since there are really little people who want to know "how it works", most just want to "get the perfect pokemon".

I would love to understand completely everything about RNG, but I don't believe that anyone will be so kind end explain me something this complicated..
the only choice is to become good with hacking myself XD

Or for nintendo to give the source code of their games to the public, but that is just a stupid dream *.*

EB March 6th, 2012 2:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BZW Golem (Post 7074961)
RNG guides are already long and complicated for a newbie.. but are written in a way that gives everyone an equal chance to RNG, without much knowledge about programming, algorithms etc.

To explain not only how to do it, but also how it works.. that would be much longer and complicated.
I don't think anyone has enough patience to do that.
Especially since there are really little people who want to know "how it works", most just want to "get the perfect pokemon".

I would love to understand completely everything about RNG, but I don't believe that anyone will be so kind end explain me something this complicated..

When I posted, I didn't mean specifically all the algorithms and numbers associated with how the game works, just specific patterns that the game goes through that give just the right amount of evidence we need to say, "Oh, you forgot to do [x]" or "this was off by [x] amount," etc.

I completely agree that going through the game coding would be ridiculously tiresome and very few people would have the patience to read such a document to begin with. But if we can categorize specific mistakes, noobs like myself will have the evidence in front of them they need, informing them what specifically went wrong--even if they're still overwhelmed.

RingoH March 6th, 2012 5:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BZW Golem (Post 7074921)
May I join?

I'm an RNG n00b, I only know 5 gen and I only RNGed natures and IV's..
because I was always too lazy to learn more (and because I don't like 90% of the shinies so i don't have much motivation >.>).

Maybe being here will motivate me to do more xD

I will try to do the challenge tomorrow, firstly I have to make RNG Reporter work on my computer..
new Linux, still no WINE, so no .net, and I bet that this little things will give me some trouble today >.>

Yeah, you pretty much have to like the look of the shiny to want to put the effort in... But sometimes the final evolution will look awsome so that's what I go by. I've been working on my collection of shinies based on which ones I personally like, either because I like the Poke or because I like the coloration on that particular one.... But in my case there are less than half I dont like... So I'm pretty much working on collecting all eventually.

EB March 6th, 2012 7:47 PM

Might as well put this here... The other RNG Mac helped me out with a while ago:

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t433/earth_boy/498.gif
Tepig | Level 5
eb | 46682 | White
Adamant | Blaze | 31 31 31 05 31 31
Tackle | Tail Whip | - | - |

Props to Legendary FSK for being first to show me the layout. =]

何贤豪 March 6th, 2012 8:11 PM

Well, my seconds might be messed up. It's random every time. I tried calibrating yesterday and got 11 seconds for each of my calibration attempts (I did it twice).
There was one time I calibrated and I got 14 seconds. My delay rate is 497-513.
Weirdly, how could the seconds rate change? And using timers is a bit hard...it runs pretty fast. Should I use it with speakers? My first calibration was a Moltres capture in Mt. Silver and my second and third calibrations were a Zapdos capture in the Power Plant. Maybe that will help clear things up?
And also...a bit off-topic, but I'm wondering if someone can help me check the IVs of my newest but still unavailable RNG abuse project later on... I use HeartGold to RNG, which is a pain due to delays. Black and White RNG abuse is less of a pain, but I use a flash cart. (So much for getting Nobunaga's Rayquaza...and so much for getting Zekrom)

Feralize March 6th, 2012 8:29 PM

I'll join too, I know 5th gen standard, egg, and a little cgear abuse...

I'm struggling with both Entralink RNG and TID/SID abuse in 4th gen.
For my Entralink RNG, I'm consistently hitting within 5 frames of my target delay (5225, if anyone is curious) but I can never exactly hit my frame. It's frustrating, to say the least, and I've spent close to 5 hours trying to get it right. Anyone have any hints?

That and I just don't understand ID RNG in Plainum. At all.

何贤豪 March 6th, 2012 8:43 PM

Well, maybe I know something? ID RNG should be RNG abusing your TID/SID for a Shiny Pokemon, right?
I know that one in Platinum. I've done that for about three times (these are the times when I succeeded).
It's pretty simple. Should I explain here? And I'm talking about RNG abusing to get Shiny Pokemon by hatching eggs, not catching Shiny Pokemon.

johnny18 March 6th, 2012 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feralize (Post 7075300)
I'll join too, I know 5th gen standard, egg, and a little cgear abuse...

I'm struggling with both Entralink RNG and TID/SID abuse in 4th gen.
For my Entralink RNG, I'm consistently hitting within 5 frames of my target delay (5225, if anyone is curious) but I can never exactly hit my frame. It's frustrating, to say the least, and I've spent close to 5 hours trying to get it right. Anyone have any hints?

That and I just don't understand ID RNG in Plainum. At all.

what part of ID RNG in platinum that you do not understand? Recap what you did and I may be able to help you with that

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7075314)
Well, maybe I know something? ID RNG should be RNG abusing your TID/SID for a Shiny Pokemon, right?
I know that one in Platinum. I've done that for about three times (these are the times when I succeeded).
It's pretty simple. Should I explain here? And I'm talking about RNG abusing to get Shiny Pokemon by hatching eggs, not catching Shiny Pokemon.

huh? You're confusing me. ID/SID RNG is probably for shiny wild pokemons (mostly legendaries). If it is about eggs, there is no need for ID/AID abuse at all.

何贤豪 March 7th, 2012 1:35 AM

Erm, you need your ID and SID for Shiny Pokemon from eggs. All Shiny Pokemon (excluding Wonder Card Shiny Pokemon) need your TID/SID. The combination of your TID and SID are used to create PIDs. And the value of a Pokemon's PID determines shininess and more things (excluding IVs, I guess).

johnny18 March 7th, 2012 5:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7075536)
Erm, you need your ID and SID for Shiny Pokemon from eggs. All Shiny Pokemon (excluding Wonder Card Shiny Pokemon) need your TID/SID.

Yes, it is true but for shiny eggs, any combination of ID and SID will work just fine. ID/SID RNG is only used to get a nice ID and in 4th gen, to catch a shiny wild legendary (mostly) with good IVs.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7075536)
The combination of your TID and SID are used to create PIDs. And the value of a Pokemon's PID determines shininess and more things (excluding IVs, I guess).

This sounds like you are talking about 5th gen abuse but the topic is about 4th gen abuse. In 4th gen, the IVs are tied with shininess, PID, ability etc. That's why it is almost impossible for you to get a wild shiny pokemon with good IVs with a random ID/SID combination in 4th gen unless you get extremely lucky with your ID and that's why ID/SID RNG comes in handy.

何贤豪 March 7th, 2012 6:29 AM

Oh, sorry about that! Well, I'd also like to ID abuse and get a good ID and SID, but I have gone this far...how could I restart? Maybe I should...but still, the delays and all that? That's a big problem.

Cordelia March 7th, 2012 6:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7074960)
I've been Googling and I think I've gone through at least three different guides by now, trying to find out how RNGing actually works. All the guides I've read only seem to talk about what the individual needs to do to get their proper Pokémon; they never seem to explain how they game processes the information we feed it to give us the results we're looking for.

I think that if we did more to elaborate this, more people would be able to grasp the entire picture, maybe even without other forms of communication outside of text. Without this information, they'll just dive in, mess things up, and start bombarding others with noob questions about why they didn't get their flawless shiny legendary. (And we all know we've been guilty of similar issues.) By giving examples of mistakes and how the game responds in patterns during such mistakes, we could also help explain to people how the game spat out the results it did--ultimately narrowing down the possible things the person messed up on.

This way they don't have to restart, praying they get every single little detail on the bulls-eye, without even really knowing what went wrong. They'll be able to pinpoint the human error and eliminate it within the first few tries, knowing full well that none of the other elements were the issue. All this is really offering is just the proper means of practice; if the individual was without a clue as to what went wrong, if they're smart they'll end up looking for the thing that caused their problem: they'll try to control all but one function and fluctuate that one while the others remain fixed. If that wasn't it, they'll do so with another function, ultimately leading to a ridiculously grueling process of trial and error.

If you get what I'm saying, does anyone else agree with this? Or have I simply been looking in the wrong places, where the game's processing hasn't been addressed?

Well, there are a lot of factors in RNG abuse that a lot of people don't understand it took me a while to understand. When you start the game at a certain time, the game generates a seed. You try to manipulate what the seed is by starting it at a particular hour, minute and second. You can also use keypresses to change which seed you hit. If you do a different keypress but same time, you will get a different seed. Also, there is a little annoyance called timer0, which is a seed encryption variable that is quite a bit more difficult to control. You will usually have two timer0s per game. It is speculated that timer0 is related to which part of the second you start the game in, with one being in the earlier part of the second and the other being in the latter. This is by no means confirmed, just speculation from experience.

With capture RNG, you first interact with the IVRNG, which determines the IVs (Individual Values) of your pokemon with a max of 31 per stat. So on this seed with capture RNG, every Pokemon you encounter will have the same IVs but a different PID (Pokemon Identification Number).

The PIDRNG (Pokemon Identification Number Random Number Generator) is what determines shininess, nature, gender, and ability of each Pokemon you encounter. The PIDRNG is separated by frames and each frame have a PID on it. You may find duplicate PIDs on the list, but usually each frame is different. Now, the game also does interesting things that advance the PIDRNG through each frame. Any time you walk through the grass or a cave with wild Pokemon in it, the game advances the PIDRNG by 1-2 frames per step. Also, by listening to a Chatot's customer chatter, it advances the PIDRNG by one frame each time. Also, each time an NPC that does random movement moves, it advances the PIDRNG. Battles advance the PIDRNG and IVRNG as well. Also, the C-Gear advances the PIDRNG by a frame every ~1.7 seconds. There are other ways to advance the PIDRNG, but these ways are usually the most common.

The whole point of RNG is to manipulate all of these factors to get the Pokemon that you want. If you want me to continue to elaborate, let me know... I could probably ramble on for a bit longer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BZW Golem (Post 7074961)
Hm?
I made it work previously on Ubuntu 10.04 and Fedora 15..
I can't say that it "worked just fine" but it worked "fine enough" xD

It calculated everything right.. things like "invisible checkboxes" were annoying but not impossible to deal with :3

Oh, very good! You got a lot farther with it than I ever did, of course I was running PCLinuxOS KDE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RingoH (Post 7075166)
Yeah, you pretty much have to like the look of the shiny to want to put the effort in... But sometimes the final evolution will look awsome so that's what I go by. I've been working on my collection of shinies based on which ones I personally like, either because I like the Poke or because I like the coloration on that particular one.... But in my case there are less than half I dont like... So I'm pretty much working on collecting all eventually.

I'm not a big fan of some shinies as well, usually if I'm breeding I'll decide which one to do by what I like more... but with capture I usually prefer non-shiny especially in 4th gen due to the whole abusing IDs and stuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7075269)
Might as well put this here... The other RNG Mac helped me out with a while ago:

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t433/earth_boy/498.gif
Tepig | Level 5
eb | 46682 | White
Adamant | Blaze | 31 31 31 05 31 31
Tackle | Tail Whip | - | - |

Props to Legendary FSK for being first to show me the layout. =]

Congrats again, eb ^^ I can't believe you abused your starter right off the bat xD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7075285)
Well, my seconds might be messed up. It's random every time. I tried calibrating yesterday and got 11 seconds for each of my calibration attempts (I did it twice).
There was one time I calibrated and I got 14 seconds. My delay rate is 497-513.
Weirdly, how could the seconds rate change? And using timers is a bit hard...it runs pretty fast. Should I use it with speakers? My first calibration was a Moltres capture in Mt. Silver and my second and third calibrations were a Zapdos capture in the Power Plant. Maybe that will help clear things up?
And also...a bit off-topic, but I'm wondering if someone can help me check the IVs of my newest but still unavailable RNG abuse project later on... I use HeartGold to RNG, which is a pain due to delays. Black and White RNG abuse is less of a pain, but I use a flash cart. (So much for getting Nobunaga's Rayquaza...and so much for getting Zekrom)

Are you getting different seconds each time you calibrate? If so, are you starting the game at the same second each time? For example, starting at 30 seconds and consistently getting 41 seconds means your calibrated second is 11. Or are you actually trying to RNG a pokemon? If this, you might have too wide of a search in Seed to Time. Try -100,+100 delay and -1,+1 second.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feralize (Post 7075300)
I'll join too, I know 5th gen standard, egg, and a little cgear abuse...

I'm struggling with both Entralink RNG and TID/SID abuse in 4th gen.
For my Entralink RNG, I'm consistently hitting within 5 frames of my target delay (5225, if anyone is curious) but I can never exactly hit my frame. It's frustrating, to say the least, and I've spent close to 5 hours trying to get it right. Anyone have any hints?

That and I just don't understand ID RNG in Plainum. At all.

Entralink abuse is all about hitting delay and then praying you get the right nature because right now it's rather difficult to control the PIDRNG with the C-gear on. Luckily, Smogon has been doing a lot of research on this topic.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4106028&postcount=12628

Now for Platinum ID abuse, you need to start your game at the end of the first timer, then hit A at the tv screen at the end of the second timer. I recommend a delay over 7000... it allows me enough time to go through and enter my name and everything and still have around 20 seconds to wait before I hit OK at the tv screen. When you first see the tv screen, it takes a few seconds before you can even hit A, so allowing more time is always good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7075314)
Well, maybe I know something? ID RNG should be RNG abusing your TID/SID for a Shiny Pokemon, right?
I know that one in Platinum. I've done that for about three times (these are the times when I succeeded).
It's pretty simple. Should I explain here? And I'm talking about RNG abusing to get Shiny Pokemon by hatching eggs, not catching Shiny Pokemon.

You need to know your TID/SID in order to get shiny Pokemon. You don't need to abuse your IDs to get these, though.

oocyst March 7th, 2012 6:42 AM

^Huge post tl;dr

Did two RNGs because I can :

http://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/592.png
http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/diveball.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/netball.pngFrillish
Water Absorb|lvl. 6|Bold
31|7|31|31|31|31
Bubble|Water Sport|Absorb
Semi-Redis


http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bw/646.png
http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/diveball.pngKyurem
Pressure|lvl. 75|Modest|HP Fire
31|26|31|30|31|30
Glaciate|Dragon Pulse|Imprison|Endeavour
Non Redis

Frillish is my second shiny capture ever! I'm getting better and better, next up is either the roamer or maybe entralink but I have no idea how to do those ;;

Kyurem was so hard to catch omg he kept killing me

何贤豪 March 7th, 2012 6:45 AM

I sometimes get different seconds when I calibrate.
Here's my seconds and delay information:

Seconds: 14, 11, 11, 13, 13, 13, 13 (Range: 11-14)
Delay: 489, 513 511, 501, 497, 495, 499 (Range: 489-513)

And I am also trying to RNG a Pokemon. Whenever I RNG abuse, I use these settings in Seed to Times:

Delays +10 -10 / Seconds +0 -0

And what do these settings actually do?

Cordelia March 7th, 2012 6:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rednael (Post 7075711)
^Huge post tl;dr

Did two RNGs because I can :

http://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/592.png
http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/diveball.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/netball.pngFrillish
Water Absorb|lvl. 6|Bold
31|7|31|31|31|31
Bubble|Water Sport|Absorb
Semi-Redis


http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bw/646.png
http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/diveball.pngKyurem
Pressure|lvl. 75|Modest|HP Fire
31|26|31|30|31|30
Glaciate|Dragon Pulse|Imprison|Endeavour
Non Redis

Frillish is my second shiny capture ever! I'm getting better and better, next up is either the roamer or maybe entralink but I have no idea how to do those ;;

Kyurem was so hard to catch omg he kept killing me

Ooh, congratulations, Rednael on your captures! They are excellent -- I really like Wingull's shiny sprite and Kyurem with HP Fire is <333 Entralink is a huge pain in the butt, but there is research going on on controlling the PIDRNG in there to make it less difficult.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7075713)
I sometimes get different seconds when I calibrate.
Here's my seconds and delay information:

Seconds: 14, 11, 11, 13, 13, 13, 13 (Range: 11-14)
Delay: 489, 513 511, 501, 497, 495, 499 (Range: 489-513)

And I am also trying to RNG a Pokemon. Whenever I RNG abuse, I use these settings in Seed to Times:

Delays +10 -10 / Seconds +0 -0

And what do these settings actually do?

I ask again, are you starting the game consistently on the same second and then spamming A to get to continue screen? Your seconds should never fluctuate really, especially if you hit A at 30 seconds every time.

Delays +10 -10 / Seconds +0 -0 - This is your delay and second range as shown in seed to time. By increasing delay to +50, -50, it will show 50 delay up from your target and 50 delay under. Seconds is the same thing, but it'll show seconds below and above your target delay.

Once you can get rid of your 'fluctuating' second, I'd recommend trying -25,+25 delay and stay with the -0,+0 second.

何贤豪 March 7th, 2012 6:56 AM

What do you mean by above and below? This is confusing.
And I do spam A to get to the Continue screen, but sometimes I just touch. I guess that's the problem. I have to stick to one type of getting into the game.

Cordelia March 7th, 2012 7:12 AM

By above I mean above your target second or delay, and by below I mean below your target second or delay. And I only spam A when I am calibrating. :3

johnny18 March 7th, 2012 7:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7075721)
What do you mean by above and below? This is confusing.
And I do spam A to get to the Continue screen, but sometimes I just touch. I guess that's the problem. I have to stick to one type of getting into the game.

What he means is this
if your target delay is 677 for example, by putting delays +10 -10, the RNG reporter will show you the possible range of delays you may hit from 677 - 10 to 677 + 10. This also applies to second. That's why we suggest you to put the second as seconds +0 -0 so that you do not have to worry about the second, just delays. Hope this make sense to you.

Squirrel March 7th, 2012 7:20 AM

I don't have time to lay out the challenge RNG in a fancy way, but I finally got round to doing it \o/ I RNGed Floony! <3 Capture RNG on Route 13 (I think... idr Unova) and it was a shiny female with 31/x/30/31/30/31 and Unburden. Not perfect, but it'll do me. Floony has been an extremely special Pokemon to me as anyone that knows me well will know, so yeah - can't wait for next time! As for future topics, I'd quite like one dedicated to cute Pokemon... I'm a big fan ;]

Cordelia March 7th, 2012 7:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake (Post 7075747)
I don't have time to lay out the challenge RNG in a fancy way, but I finally got round to doing it \o/ I RNGed Floony! <3 Capture RNG on Route 13 (I think... idr Unova) and it was a shiny female with 31/x/30/31/30/31 and Unburden. Not perfect, but it'll do me. Floony has been an extremely special Pokemon to me as anyone that knows me well will know, so yeah - can't wait for next time! As for future topics, I'd quite like one dedicated to cute Pokemon... I'm a big fan ;]

Very nice Floony! I updated the original post with your accomplishment.

Remember everyone, the challenge ends tonight at 11:59 PM EST so make sure you get your submissions in!

greg0915 March 7th, 2012 10:29 AM

How have I only just heard about this!?!?!?!? Well Mac I guess you beat me to it and created this place. I'd love to join!

My latest abuse (kinda)

Platinum
OT: George
ID: 27227

I was gonna abuse this but my taught my friend to do it instead however I will probably RNG'ing most of the pokes.

EDIT:
Challenge complete!
I've RNG'd this guy because I love Tentacruel and it was my 1st successful IV breed back in the days before RNG'ing =')

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/007.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon/072.pnghttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/007.png
Tentacool ♂ Lv.23
OT: George | ID: 17771
Timid | Liquid Ooze
31, 12, 31, 31, 31, 31
Acid, Toxic Spikes, BubbleBeam, Wrap
Valley Windworks | Fully Redis

Feralize March 7th, 2012 12:29 PM

Okay, I'm attempting to RNG my Id's again. I've hit my target delay fairly consistently, but I'm not getting the ID/SID combo I want.

What I did:
Started the first timer when I set the time.
Hit A to enter the game when my first timer went off.
Went through the opening of the game, entered my name, etc.
Hit A to dismiss the TV screen when my second timer went off, thus hitting my target delay (6524).

I was aiming for ID 63372 SID 10001 (makes two flawless spreads shiny!)
I got ID 28818 SID 45729 (doesn't work :/)

Any ideas?

johnny18 March 7th, 2012 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feralize (Post 7075946)
Okay, I'm attempting to RNG my Id's again. I've hit my target delay fairly consistently, but I'm not getting the ID/SID combo I want.

What I did:
Started the first timer when I set the time.
Hit A to enter the game when my first timer went off.
Went through the opening of the game, entered my name, etc.
Hit A to dismiss the TV screen when my second timer went off, thus hitting my target delay (6524).

I was aiming for ID 63372 SID 10001 (makes two flawless spreads shiny!)
I got ID 28818 SID 45729 (doesn't work :/)

Any ideas?

open your RNG reporter and look on the right hand. There should be a title "Seed Finder" to it. Put the day, month, year, hour, minute of the ID that you are trying to hit. The min/max delay area is min/max delay that you originally put on the place with the title "Shiny PID." On the "Trainer ID Obtained" box, put the ID that you get which is 28818. I wonder though, how do you know that you hit your delay?

Feralize March 7th, 2012 12:56 PM

When I put my obtained ID into the right side of Pandora's Box, it says that I hit my delay even though I got the wrong ID.

johnny18 March 7th, 2012 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feralize (Post 7075978)
When I put my obtained ID into the right side of Pandora's Box, it says that I hit my delay even though I got the wrong ID.

look at the second you hit, it may be the cause. Sometimes RNG reporter gives me two seed, both with the same delay but different second.

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg0915 (Post 7075865)
How have I only just heard about this!?!?!?!? Well Mac I guess you beat me to it and created this place. I'd love to join!

My latest abuse (kinda)

Platinum
OT: George
ID: 27227

I was gonna abuse this but my taught my friend to do it instead however I will probably RNG'ing most of the pokes.

EDIT:
Challenge complete!
I've RNG'd this guy because I love Tentacruel and it was my 1st successful IV breed back in the days before RNG'ing =')

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/007.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon/072.pnghttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/007.png
Tentacool ♂ Lv.23
OT: George | ID: 17771
Timid | Liquid Ooze
31, 12, 31, 31, 31, 31
Acid, Toxic Spikes, BubbleBeam, Wrap
Valley Windworks | Fully Redis

How dare you to RNG his awesome mon before I do JK :D

loucas March 7th, 2012 5:21 PM

My Entry

:) mac said i should join this Club

so i Proudly Present

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bwf/592.png
Frillish
OT:Alexia ID:30012
Lv.21
Nature: Modest Ability: Water Absorb
on a Heal Ball
Driftveil City
somewhat vain

30/14/31/30/31/31 HP FIRE 70


i wanted a frillish coz it's like on of the cutest critter in GEN V
now where can i find a sprite for her?

alas, it works.

thanks a lot MAC :)

Cordelia March 7th, 2012 5:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loucas (Post 7076223)
My Entry

:) mac said i should join this Club

so i Proudly Present

Frillish
Lv.21
MODEST
on a Heal Ball
Driftveil City
somewhat vain

30/14/31/30/31/31 HP FIRE 70


now where can i find a sprite for her?

Congratulations! I'll add you to the list of folks that have completed the challenge. I answered you on IRC but others might be interested so...

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites.html

That's a good place to get sprites. :3

何贤豪 March 7th, 2012 7:59 PM

Ah, now I get it. Thanks! I'll be back with my newest project!

Cordelia March 7th, 2012 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7076358)
Ah, now I get it. Thanks! I'll be back with my newest project!

Woo! Great news -- good luck with your RNG and I can't wait to see it.

何贤豪 March 7th, 2012 11:05 PM

Does anyone know how to RNG abuse wild Pokemon for HGSS? Because I'm in a mixed-up situation... Instead of getting what I wanted, I got a Psyduck...it's because the Psyduck's female. So now, I have to get a Ditto. Well, if I'm going to be breeding a (Shiny) Flawless Pokemon, a Ditto can help! It can breed with any Pokemon! And also...does anyone think that most RNG abusers also RNG abuse their ID and SID?
Thanks!
Oh, and for the Ditto, here's the spreads I can use. I found these spreads by using PokeRNG:

Search for: HP: >= 31, Atk: >= 31, Def: >= 31, SpA: >= 31, SpD: >= 31, Spe: >= 31, Min. delay: 478, Max. delay: 638, Year: 2012, Encounter Slots (Method K): Land 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 11 (without synch)
PID: E9375A48 (Calm, ability 0), IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31, seed: 5D000242, delay: 566 (year: 2012), method 1: 163, K (synch): 10, K (no synch): 48, HP: Dark 70
PID: 6937DA48 (Modest, ability 0), IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31, seed: DD000242, delay: 566 (year: 2012), method 1: 163, K (synch): 22, K (no synch): 40, HP: Dark 70

greg0915 March 8th, 2012 5:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7076522)
Does anyone know how to RNG abuse wild Pokemon for HGSS? Because I'm in a mixed-up situation... Instead of getting what I wanted, I got a Psyduck...it's because the Psyduck's female. So now, I have to get a Ditto. Well, if I'm going to be breeding a (Shiny) Flawless Pokemon, a Ditto can help! It can breed with any Pokemon! And also...does anyone think that most RNG abusers also RNG abuse their ID and SID?
Thanks!
Oh, and for the Ditto, here's the spreads I can use. I found these spreads by using PokeRNG:

Search for: HP: >= 31, Atk: >= 31, Def: >= 31, SpA: >= 31, SpD: >= 31, Spe: >= 31, Min. delay: 478, Max. delay: 638, Year: 2012, Encounter Slots (Method K): Land 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 11 (without synch)
PID: E9375A48 (Calm, ability 0), IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31, seed: 5D000242, delay: 566 (year: 2012), method 1: 163, K (synch): 10, K (no synch): 48, HP: Dark 70
PID: 6937DA48 (Modest, ability 0), IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31, seed: DD000242, delay: 566 (year: 2012), method 1: 163, K (synch): 22, K (no synch): 40, HP: Dark 70

Although I haven't RNG'd on HG yet however A lot of RNG abusers do RNG their ID/SID for two reasons.

1. To obtain certain high IV shiny capture seeds (4 Gen mainly)

2. To obtain a desired ID/SID combo

johnny18 March 8th, 2012 5:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7076522)
Does anyone know how to RNG abuse wild Pokemon for HGSS? Because I'm in a mixed-up situation... Instead of getting what I wanted, I got a Psyduck...it's because the Psyduck's female. So now, I have to get a Ditto. Well, if I'm going to be breeding a (Shiny) Flawless Pokemon, a Ditto can help! It can breed with any Pokemon! And also...does anyone think that most RNG abusers also RNG abuse their ID and SID?
Thanks!
Oh, and for the Ditto, here's the spreads I can use. I found these spreads by using PokeRNG:

Search for: HP: >= 31, Atk: >= 31, Def: >= 31, SpA: >= 31, SpD: >= 31, Spe: >= 31, Min. delay: 478, Max. delay: 638, Year: 2012, Encounter Slots (Method K): Land 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 11 (without synch)
PID: E9375A48 (Calm, ability 0), IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31, seed: 5D000242, delay: 566 (year: 2012), method 1: 163, K (synch): 10, K (no synch): 48, HP: Dark 70
PID: 6937DA48 (Modest, ability 0), IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31, seed: DD000242, delay: 566 (year: 2012), method 1: 163, K (synch): 22, K (no synch): 40, HP: Dark 70

If you RNG in HGSS, you need to RNG when you are riding your bike. Do not let a pokemon following you when you RNG wild pokemon as it will mess up your frame. Also, when you use Sweet Scent, the frame advances about 1 to 3 depending on each game so you will have to hit your delay first, advances the frame, catch the pokemon and determine which frame you end up with.
For example, I ride my bike and go to area where I can catch a wild pokemon. I save the game and find the seed that I want to use. My target frame is 45. I hit my delay, advance the frame, catch the pokemon and I find out that my frame is 47 instead of 45. I know that my frame will advance 2 frames each time I use the sweet scent. I reset and do all the step again but this time I will advance 43 frames instead of 45 and bang, I get the pokemon I want.

SS01 March 8th, 2012 6:15 AM

Due to a series of unforeseen incidents, I may not be able to RNG anything for the next little while. I may or may not be able to complete the next challenge.

何贤豪 March 8th, 2012 6:36 AM

Okay then. But do 5th Gen RNG abusers also RNG their ID and SID? If that's so, maybe I'll do the same with B2/W2. And still...can someone help me with my Ditto problem? Thanks!
Oh yeah, I'm also planning to RNG abuse the Pokemon Ranger: Guardian Signs Deoxys. Can someone tell me how would you make RNG abusing a Wonder Card Pokemon work? (I'm a full novice on the whole IV RNG thing, I have only RNG abused for shininess and sometimes it won't work anyway)
And also...okay, thanks for that johnny18 but if I were to find out my Sweet Scent frame advance by your example, still...how would you find out that you're in frame 47? And not only that, you'd advance your frames by any kind of way that's possible and consistent (maybe by calling Prof. Elm/Joey), right? And you'd also have to do 10 Prof. Elm calls after changing the system's time and date (if required) and also after waiting a minute to find out what seed you're in, right? And also...how would this RNG abuse actually work? (What are the steps?)

greg0915 March 8th, 2012 6:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7076768)
Okay then. But do 5th Gen RNG abusers also RNG their ID and SID? If that's so, maybe I'll do the same with B2/W2. And still...can someone help me with my Ditto problem? Thanks!
Oh yeah, I'm also planning to RNG abuse the Pokemon Ranger: Guardian Signs Deoxys. Can someone tell me how would you make RNG abusing a Wonder Card Pokemon work? (I'm a full novice on the whole IV RNG thing, I have only RNG abused for shininess and sometimes it won't work anyway)

Yes, 5th Gen abusers do but there is less need to because high IV shiny seeds are obtainable anyway. But if you were looking for a specific spread or wanted to RNG your starter then you would have to abuse your ID/SID.


My first Honey Tree abuse!

http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/luxuryball.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/265.pnghttp://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/luxuryball.png
Wurmple ♀ Lv.11
OT: George | ID: 17771
Timid | Shield Dust
31, 31, 31, 31, 31, 31
Tackle, String Shot, Poison Sting
Floaroma Meadow | Fully Redis

Squirrel March 8th, 2012 7:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7075750)
Very nice Floony! I updated the original post with your accomplishment.

Floony is a Drifblim, not Drifloon x] But thanks!

I tried fishing RNG today on Black and it's not working at all for me... Any tips? I want my Staryu! It just keeps saying nothing is biting at the rod. I also did another capture today on a Sandslash :3 31/31/31/15/31/31 and male so I was pretty happy with it; now named Chilli! Not shiny though, couldn't be bothered with that today. x]

Cordelia March 8th, 2012 8:31 AM

http://www.mytinyphone.com/uploads/users/zombiekill1013/372333.jpg

Challenge #2: Prepare for Trouble! RNG a Pokemon used by Team Rocket!

greg0915 March 8th, 2012 8:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake (Post 7076823)


Floony is a Drifblim, not Drifloon x] But thanks!

I tried fishing RNG today on Black and it's not working at all for me... Any tips? I want my Staryu! It just keeps saying nothing is biting at the rod. I also did another capture today on a Sandslash :3 31/31/31/15/31/31 and male so I was pretty happy with it; now named Chilli! Not shiny though, couldn't be bothered with that today. x]

I find that when fishing, if you don't get a bite then move off of the square that your on. e.g. move 2 spaces Up

It works for me ^_^

RingoH March 8th, 2012 9:05 AM

Awsome! Cause I want a Shiny Meowth anyway.... Although I might go for a different one [Maybe a Porygon...].

I failed at the first challenge because I was attempting to do my first wild encounter, although I was doing this in the trophy garden [in Diamond] so I didn't have wandering NPC's to deal with. I'm a little confused about encounter slots, I looked at the list for Diamond on eggmove.com but can not find Porygon in the trophy garden. How do the special Pokemon that the butler stocks the garden with get listed when trying to calculate frames? I really wanted a Porygon [part of why I'm thinking the team rocket challenge may be a Porygon].

I reset until Mr.Backlot said their was a porygon, then I walked into the garden and saved. I had a lead Pokemon at Level 18, and a pokemon with sweet scent. I also had repels so that I could walk in the grass to advance my frame. I ended up with an encounter slot with Roselia iinstead of my Porygon I had hoped for. [Did all my frame advances correctly, the nature/IV's and shiny that I was aiming for]. What do I do next time to ensure I get the species I am looking for? I understand that a given frame will always give the same species, I just need to know in the trophy garden who can I garentee this for next time?

Squirrel March 8th, 2012 9:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg0915 (Post 7076867)
I find that when fishing, if you don't get a bite then move off of the square that your on. e.g. move 2 spaces Up

It works for me ^_^

Alright, I'll try that - thanks! As for the new challenge, I'm certainly RNGing a Koffing/Wheezing. It shall be non-shiny and be the perfect replica of James' <3 My favourite Pokemon from that serious!

greg0915 March 8th, 2012 9:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RingoH (Post 7076898)
Awsome! Cause I want a Shiny Meowth anyway.... Although I might go for a different one [Maybe a Porygon...].

I failed at the first challenge because I was attempting to do my first wild encounter, although I was doing this in the trophy garden [in Diamond] so I didn't have wandering NPC's to deal with. I'm a little confused about encounter slots, I looked at the list for Diamond on eggmove.com but can not find Porygon in the trophy garden. How do the special Pokemon that the butler stocks the garden with get listed when trying to calculate frames? I really wanted a Porygon [part of why I'm thinking the team rocket challenge may be a Porygon].

I reset until Mr.Backlot said their was a porygon, then I walked into the garden and saved. I had a lead Pokemon at Level 18, and a pokemon with sweet scent. I also had repels so that I could walk in the grass to advance my frame. I ended up with an encounter slot with Roselia iinstead of my Porygon I had hoped for. [Did all my frame advances correctly, the nature/IV's and shiny that I was aiming for]. What do I do next time to ensure I get the species I am looking for? I understand that a given frame will always give the same species, I just need to know in the trophy garden who can I garentee this for next time?

When RNG'ing in the Trophy Garden the current days pokemon (the one Mr.Backlot mentions) is always Encounter slot 6 and the previous days pokemon (the one Mr.Backlot mentioned the day before) is always Encounter slot 7.

RingoH March 8th, 2012 9:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg0915 (Post 7076914)
When RNG'ing in the Trophy Garden the current days pokemon (the one Mr.Backlot mentions) is always Encounter slot 6 and the previous days pokemon (the one Mr.Backlot mentioned the day before) is always Encounter slot 7.

Thanks! I'll look forward to trying again tonight!

EB March 8th, 2012 9:39 AM

Oh, you're actually planning to use my challenges? Sweet! B]

I'll start the challenge as soon as I can; it'll be a little easier after tomorrow when my spring break starts. :cer_boogie:


(I'll invent more challenges for you when I'm feeling inspired...)

EDIT:

That sounded slightly conceited; let's try "when I have enough time to brainstorm." =p)

johnny18 March 8th, 2012 4:22 PM

Challege completed
http://i32.*.com/21bhph.pnghttp://www.pokemonelite2000.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/24.pnghttp://i32.*.com/21bhph.png
OT:Tevin l ID:28568
IVs: 31-31-31-x-31-31
Nature: Impish l Ability: Intimidate
Caught at Route 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7076768)
And also...okay, thanks for that johnny18 but if I were to find out my Sweet Scent frame advance by your example, still...how would you find out that you're in frame 47? And not only that, you'd advance your frames by any kind of way that's possible and consistent (maybe by calling Prof. Elm/Joey), right? And you'd also have to do 10 Prof. Elm calls after changing the system's time and date (if required) and also after waiting a minute to find out what seed you're in, right? And also...how would this RNG abuse actually work? (What are the steps?)

I know my frame by using encounter slot and IVs of the pokemon I catch. I have the feeling that you actually do not understand what I say at all. There is currently no guide for RNG in HGSS so you may need to read this guide http://www.smogon.com/ingame/rng/dpp_rng_intro first before you ask anymore question. I know that this guide is for D/P/Pl but it applies to HGSS also no worries about it. If you have anymore questions after reading it, ask us either on here or trying to find a date so you can get on the chatroom ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7076923)
Oh, you're actually planning to use my challenges? Sweet! B]

I'll start the challenge as soon as I can; it'll be a little easier after tomorrow when my spring break starts. :cer_boogie:


(I'll invent more challenges for you when I'm feeling inspired...)

EDIT:

That sounded slightly conceited; let's try "when I have enough time to brainstorm." =p)

Spring Break, hehehe you can talk with us more <3

Cordelia March 8th, 2012 6:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7076923)
Oh, you're actually planning to use my challenges? Sweet! B]

I'll start the challenge as soon as I can; it'll be a little easier after tomorrow when my spring break starts. :cer_boogie:


(I'll invent more challenges for you when I'm feeling inspired...)

EDIT:

That sounded slightly conceited; let's try "when I have enough time to brainstorm." =p)

Well, I thought the Team Rocket thing was cool, you don't get to know what I think of all of them though! xD

Challenge completed!

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/aa/Jessie_Captures_Yanma.png

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/icon/193.pnghttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.png
Yanma ♀ Lv. 1
OT: Mac | ID: 36152
Nature: Timid
Ability: Speed Boost
IVs: 31, 2, 31, 30, 30, 31 Ground 70
EVs: Untrained
Moves: Tackle, AncientPower, Hidden Power, Protect
Non-Redis

I really like this 'mon as it's very useful in battle and it's Jessie's, my favorite member of Team Rocket. It only saddens me that there were not any capture seeds with the IVs I wanted!

何贤豪 March 9th, 2012 3:08 AM

So...you check the encounter slot of the Pokemon you caught that isn't the Pokemon you wanted to catch and put it into the RNG Reporter (maybe that's where you put it in) with the Pokemon's IVs to find what frame you landed on instead of the frame that you had to land on? (Sorry if I'm incorrect)
And also...about the current challenge. I can use Pokemon that Team Rocket temporarily had, right? Not just the ones that are currently with Team Rocket?

johnny18 March 9th, 2012 6:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7077805)
So...you check the encounter slot of the Pokemon you caught that isn't the Pokemon you wanted to catch and put it into the RNG Reporter (maybe that's where you put it in) with the Pokemon's IVs to find what frame you landed on instead of the frame that you had to land on? (Sorry if I'm incorrect)
And also...about the current challenge. I can use Pokemon that Team Rocket temporarily had, right? Not just the ones that are currently with Team Rocket?

Yes, that's what it is except that you only need to put your seed on the main reporter's box where it says "Seed (Hex)." It will show you all the frames that you may get starting from frame one. For the challenge, I think Mac may say yes so pick whatever mon you want to RNG as long as they are or used to be in Team Rocket. :)

Cordelia March 9th, 2012 6:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7077805)
So...you check the encounter slot of the Pokemon you caught that isn't the Pokemon you wanted to catch and put it into the RNG Reporter (maybe that's where you put it in) with the Pokemon's IVs to find what frame you landed on instead of the frame that you had to land on? (Sorry if I'm incorrect)
And also...about the current challenge. I can use Pokemon that Team Rocket temporarily had, right? Not just the ones that are currently with Team Rocket?

You check it against what RNG reporter says, yes that is correct. Usually you'll be right around your target and you just adjust your calls from there.

And yes, you may use a Pokemon that was temporarily used by Team Rocket. If you want, even include a picture like I did! Makes it more fun, I think. xD

johnny18 March 9th, 2012 6:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7077429)
Challenge completed!

http://pokemon.maxupdates.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/pokemon1128.jpg

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/icon/193.pnghttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.png
Yanma ♀ Lv. 1
OT: Mac | ID: 36152
Nature: Timid
Ability: Speed Boost
IVs: 31, 2, 31, 30, 30, 31 Ground 70
EVs: Untrained
Moves: Tackle, AncientPower, Hidden Power, Protect
Non-Redis


Jesse has a yanmega, not yanma. Wrong pic lol

Cordelia March 9th, 2012 6:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny18 (Post 7077912)
Jesse has a yanmega, not yanma. Wrong pic lol

That's what I get for being tired all the time! Thanks Johnny for pointing that out. I found a picture on Bulbapedia that had Jessie capturing Yanma (even though she's not pictured). So that'll do for now, I guess... even though I bred it D:

何贤豪 March 9th, 2012 6:32 AM

Okay...but still, where would you put the information (Encounter slot and IVs, like what I said above)?
And also...if you got a seed from PokeRNG, if you were to use that seed, you would just put the seed on the main screen (the one with the method options), choose how the Pokemon's generated (method 1 or any other method), click Generate, hit the delay and time that you have to hit, advance the frames and then find the Pokemon you like to catch...right?
Secondly, I kinda already asked this, but I'll just say this again. How do you RNG Wonder Card Pokemon? I guess it's like most other RNG abuses...just get the seed you'd like to hit, get the Wonder Card, go to the Poke Mart to get the Pokemon you'd like later on, save, turn off, change the time to your target time - 1 full minute - the seconds, hit the right target time & delay, advance the frames, collect the Pokemon, check whether you got the result you wanted and if you got what you wanted, you're done. I'm sure I'm wrong (a bit). And I have an idea for two challenges...how about...
1. RNG a Pokemon owned by Ash and his friends (the list: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash%27s_friends)
2. RNG a Pokemon that was temporarily owned by someone (anyone's fine)

Cordelia March 9th, 2012 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7077926)
Okay...but still, where would you put the information (Encounter slot and IVs, like what I said above)?
And also...if you got a seed from PokeRNG, if you were to use that seed, you would just put the seed on the main screen (the one with the method options), choose how the Pokemon's generated (method 1 or any other method), click Generate, hit the delay and time that you have to hit, advance the frames and then find the Pokemon you like to catch...right?
Secondly, I kinda already asked this, but I'll just say this again. How do you RNG Wonder Card Pokemon? I guess it's like most other RNG abuses...just get the seed you'd like to hit, get the Wonder Card, go to the Poke Mart to get the Pokemon you'd like later on, save, turn off, change the time to your target time - 1 full minute - the seconds, hit the right target time & delay, advance the frames, collect the Pokemon, check whether you got the result you wanted and if you got what you wanted, you're done. I'm sure I'm wrong (a bit). And I have an idea for two challenges...how about...
1. RNG a Pokemon owned by Ash and his friends (the list: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash%27s_friends)
2. RNG a Pokemon that was temporarily owned by someone (anyone's fine)

You really should read the guide Johnny posted a few times, it'll help you with a lot of the questions you're having. I've found it very useful myself. And I don't know how to RNG wondercards for 4th generation games.

Also, I like your ideas for challenges! Thanks a lot for submitting them.

Melinda March 9th, 2012 7:17 PM

I completed the challenge, but instead of a specific Pokémon I did my trainer ID/SID for Pearl to get a few flawless shiny seeds. Pearl is the first game I learned to RNG on and it was the game that got me back into Pokémon after Emerald.



Cordelia March 9th, 2012 8:12 PM

I'm going to admit that for the first challenge since I know for a fact that you did it before the deadline. Just next time make sure you post before it expires!

My two latest RNG abuses:

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Kanani (Oddish) ♀ Lv. 1 ★
OT: Mac | ID: 36152
Nature: Modest
Ability: Chlorophyll
IVs: 31, 2, 31, 30, 31, 30 Fire 70
EVs: Untrained
Moves: Absorb, Teeter Dance, Synthesis, Worry Seed
Non-Redis

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Ponyta ♂ Lv. 1 ★
OT: Mac | ID: 36152
Nature: Naive
Ability: Flash Fire
IVs: 30, 31, 31, 30, 31, 31 Grass 70
EVs: Untrained
Moves: Tackle, Horn Drill, Hypnosis, Morning Sun
Non-Redis

These were both BPs ^^ woot, I'm glad I got them both done today.

Melinda March 9th, 2012 8:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7078402)
I'm going to admit that for the first challenge since I know for a fact that you did it before the deadline. Just next time make sure you post before it expires!

My two latest RNG abuses:

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/sicon/43.pnghttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.png
Kanani (Oddish) ♀ Lv. 1 ★
OT: Mac | ID: 36152
Nature: Modest
Ability: Chlorophyll
IVs: 31, 2, 31, 30, 31, 30 Fire 70
EVs: Untrained
Moves: Absorb, Teeter Dance, Synthesis, Worry Seed
Non-Redis

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/sicon/77.pnghttp://www.pokecheck.org/i/itm/004.png
Ponyta ♂ Lv. 1 ★
OT: Mac | ID: 36152
Nature: Naive
Ability: Flash Fire
IVs: 30, 31, 31, 30, 31, 31 Grass 70
EVs: Untrained
Moves: Tackle, Horn Drill, Hypnosis, Morning Sun
Non-Redis

These were both BPs ^^ woot, I'm glad I got them both done today.

Tehehe. I will next time. x]

Nice RNGs. After I'm done with all my legends on all my 4th gen I'm going to move on to breeding/captures. xD I'm so behind right now. D:

Cordelia March 9th, 2012 8:44 PM

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Originally Posted by miakalina (Post 7078427)

Tehehe. I will next time. x]

Nice RNGs. After I'm done with all my legends on all my 4th gen I'm going to move on to breeding/captures. xD I'm so behind right now. D:

You better! You've got a lot to learn still, young lady. :3

Melinda March 9th, 2012 8:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac of York (Post 7078428)
You better! You've got a lot to learn still, young lady. :3

I already know how to do them so, no, not really.

Cordelia March 9th, 2012 8:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miakalina (Post 7078432)

I already know how to do them so, no, not really.

You know I was trolling ya ;) It'll be a lot easier now I bet!

何贤豪 March 9th, 2012 10:04 PM

Well, I think I should read the guide (which I have, but I still don't really understand)...but still, there are some differences from HGSS RNG abuse and DPPt RNG abuse...like the absence of the Journal, the absence of the Poketch...and I'd rather read small things rather than a big ton of stuff that I don't even understand.

Sorry if this would just bring more problems...but that's me.

johnny18 March 9th, 2012 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7078468)
Well, I think I should read the guide (which I have, but I still don't really understand)...but still, there are some differences from HGSS RNG abuse and DPPt RNG abuse...like the absence of the Journal, the absence of the Poketch...and I'd rather read small things rather than a big ton of stuff that I don't even understand.

Sorry if this would just bring more problems...but that's me.

Based on what you post so far, I think that the small things that you try to read are the things that you understand the most so I think you need to focus on the big stuffs that you do not understand. Trying to study the differences will be pointless if you do not understand similar comcept of RNG in HGSS and D/P/Pl. Not trying to be mean, just want to give you advice. :)

何贤豪 March 10th, 2012 1:41 AM

Okay, I think I'll take that in mind...
And I saw a page that made me understand about the whole Sweet Scent thing...and also gets me confused again.
It's this page: http://www.smogon.com/ingame/rng/appendix_sweetscent
I looked it up and what got me confused was on finding your frame based on what Pokemon you encountered and also on finding your Actual Frame. How do you find your Actual Frame and how would you find your frame based on what Pokemon you encountered (would this link to finding your Actual Frame?) This is confusing for me...and I guess you'll just ask me to look up the page again.

EB March 10th, 2012 8:43 AM

Finished the challenge! (Finally...)


Did my best to find a Unova Pokémon--seeing as I've only been RNGing in Gen5--and this was the one I had available. (Also ironically a contender for my party, as I restarted my game for Tepig.)

johnny18 March 10th, 2012 8:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainy Garden of Fire (Post 7078569)
Okay, I think I'll take that in mind...
And I saw a page that made me understand about the whole Sweet Scent thing...and also gets me confused again.
It's this page: http://www.smogon.com/ingame/rng/appendix_sweetscent
I looked it up and what got me confused was on finding your frame based on what Pokemon you encountered and also on finding your Actual Frame. How do you find your Actual Frame and how would you find your frame based on what Pokemon you encountered (would this link to finding your Actual Frame?) This is confusing for me...and I guess you'll just ask me to look up the page again.

This is for all Wild Pokemon Encounters, not just ones brought about by sweet scent. First you must know the frame of the spread you encountered. You must also know the "Actual Frame" of the spread you encountered. The Actual Frame of a spread is the frame of the spread in Method 1. To find your current frame after the encounter, you must take the Actual Frame of the spread and add 6. That is your current frame.

*sign* It is in there but do not worry about it. This guide is an old one and we are not going to advance this way since it requires you to encounter a pokemon. Just do what you do, hit delays, advance the frame. That's all you need to know.

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Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7078833)
Finished the challenge! (Finally...)


Did my best to find a Unova Pokémon--seeing as I've only been RNGing in Gen5--and this was the one I had available. (Also ironically a contender for my party, as I restarted my game for Tepig.)

Yay, gimme gimme gimme :D. Congrats anyway

EB March 10th, 2012 9:54 AM

Oh and Mac, your OP has the current challenge still marked as "Challenge #1." @[email protected]

Cordelia March 10th, 2012 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7078833)
Finished the challenge! (Finally...)


Did my best to find a Unova Pokémon--seeing as I've only been RNGing in Gen5--and this was the one I had available. (Also ironically a contender for my party, as I restarted my game for Tepig.)


It's about damn time xD Congratulations! I think soon you will truly get a handle on this ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7078903)
Oh and Mac, your OP has the current challenge still marked as "Challenge #1." @[email protected]

Oh, I uhh... fixed that. Sorry.

TwilightBlade March 10th, 2012 11:00 AM

Hey, lovelies. I'd like to join. :)

Stellar job to everyone trying to perform a feat beyond the casual gaming experience, stellar job to everyone successfully getting their desired target, and stellar job to everyone helping each other out.

In response to earth boy the other day!
Spoiler:
Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7074960)
I've been Googling and I think I've gone through at least three different guides by now, trying to find out how RNGing actually works. All the guides I've read only seem to talk about what the individual needs to do to get their proper Pokémon; they never seem to explain how they game processes the information we feed it to give us the results we're looking for.

I think that if we did more to elaborate this, more people would be able to grasp the entire picture, maybe even without other forms of communication outside of text. Without this information, they'll just dive in, mess things up, and start bombarding others with noob questions about why they didn't get their flawless shiny legendary. (And we all know we've been guilty of similar issues.) By giving examples of mistakes and how the game responds in patterns during such mistakes, we could also help explain to people how the game spat out the results it did--ultimately narrowing down the possible things the person messed up on.

This way they don't have to restart, praying they get every single little detail on the bulls-eye, without even really knowing what went wrong. They'll be able to pinpoint the human error and eliminate it within the first few tries, knowing full well that none of the other elements were the issue. All this is really offering is just the proper means of practice; if the individual was without a clue as to what went wrong, if they're smart they'll end up looking for the thing that caused their problem: they'll try to control all but one function and fluctuate that one while the others remain fixed. If that wasn't it, they'll do so with another function, ultimately leading to a ridiculously grueling process of trial and error.

If you get what I'm saying, does anyone else agree with this? Or have I simply been looking in the wrong places, where the game's processing hasn't been addressed?

Quote:

Originally Posted by earth boy (Post 7075014)
When I posted, I didn't mean specifically all the algorithms and numbers associated with how the game works, just specific patterns that the game goes through that give just the right amount of evidence we need to say, "Oh, you forgot to do [x]" or "this was off by [x] amount," etc.

I completely agree that going through the game coding would be ridiculously tiresome and very few people would have the patience to read such a document to begin with. But if we can categorize specific mistakes, noobs like myself will have the evidence in front of them they need, informing them what specifically went wrong--even if they're still overwhelmed.


I kinda get what you're saying. People have different learning styles, true! There are whole-part learners (big picture then details) and part-whole learners (details then big picture).

However, I don't think any guides are taking interest in illustrating the big picture first because... All a beginner has to do is perform the steps. Only certain actions (e.g. journal flipping, app tapping, withdrawing, chatot listening) will accurately and consistently advance the IV RNG or the PID RNG. Only certain actions optimize the program. If the beginner isn't going step by step or is sidetracking from the guide, then he/she will encounter many problems. RNG abuse is pretty simple that if a beginner is describing everything, someone (experienced) can pinpoint what error the beginner is committing. Are you proposing an already-made FAQ saying "if you're doing this and you're getting this, you're error is ___" ? Maybe that can be in the works...

One could explain what's going on in the game. One could clarify every term or every concept. (The guides are overwhelming enough with the steps...) Even so, I often find that firsthand experience (mistakes included) are better ways for someone to learn something. I know that those who dived into RNG abused forgot really simple things (such as the MAC Address). It was already established in (at least my) guides that you gotta keep track of the unique MAC address. Oh boy, after an hour of failing at finding the parameters only to discover he's using the MAC address of the other DS, he sure didn't forget such a little detail ever again.

We just stress that beginners read everything and let the process sink in first. Try it out first. Yes, if it's taking forever with no results, they can gladly ask anyone for help.

Also, I don't use the term noob. You're all kittens! Soft... warm... cute... cuddly... You will grow up to be even more beautiful some day.

Hope this helped anyone in some way.

Cordelia March 10th, 2012 6:09 PM

Hi Blade! Thanks for joining B) Your expertise is always most desired here so I hope this wasn't a one and done kind of deal. I hope to see some RNGs from you whenever you feel up to it. Welcome!


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