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Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 1:55 PM

That would be rather odd to say the least there regarding Cynthia and Cyrus keeping each other company lol, I'd imagine they would go their own separate ways there seeing how they were on opposing sides back when Team Galactic was running amuck lol. Maybe Cynthia was forced to stay in the Distortion World after Giratina was caught or something along those lines and you try to find a way to bring her back post-game. Just another brain fart though lol.

Regarding her team I think she should have had a Houndoom to replace that Roserade back in Platinum but besides from that and some improved movesets like Togekiss having Roost, Thunder Wave, Nasty Plot, and Air Slash to annoy the piss out of you I can't think of much to add when modifying her team seeing how she's already tougher than a rhino's ass lol.

psyanic March 27th, 2012 2:01 PM

Yeah, food for thought. Maybe Giratina just kidnapped her and you have to save her after beating the Elite Four. I'm getting crazy ideas... How can a Pokemon kidnap her? Haha...

Roserade should have had Toxic Spikes. That would seriously suck. Houndoom might make her easier since its weaknesses are similar to Lucario's, being Fighting and Ground. But her Togekiss would be so much better with those moves. Thunder Wave is just a staple for an annoyer, along with Confuse Ray or something. Her Milotic might have fared better with Toxic over Dragon Pulse. Dragon Pulse just looks random on her Milotic.

Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 2:08 PM

Well it is Giratina we're talking about here so such actions are to be expected from such a monster haha.

Didn't think about that there tbh but yeah that does sound like a good idea for Roserade to have Toxic Spikes and maybe Leaf Storm too for an unexpected punch haha. Milotic would be passable with Surf/Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Recover, and either Toxic or Mirror Coat for its moveset. Not sure on what to make of Spiritomb's moveset atm though.

Didn't notice the weaknesses that Houndoom and Lucario shared either sadly, I would suggest replacing Lucario with Houndoom in that case but despite my minor dislike for Lucario overall I can't deny how effective it is in battle lol. Especially a set along the lines of Swords Dance, Close Combat, Extremespeed, and either Earthquake, Stone Edge, Crunch, or Ice Punch as its last move lol.

psyanic March 27th, 2012 2:12 PM

Oh god, Swords Dance Lucario for Cynthia? True, it has a funny moveset considering it has Shadow Ball and Earthquake on the same set. They should just make it a Physical Attacker and yeah, Swords Dance would make it extremely deadly.

Spiritomb is fine as is. It's just annoying as hell and does its job of not dying pretty well. And no one can deny that her Garchomp gives the biggest troubles of all time in an in-game battle. That monster took down half my team when I first battled her xP

Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 2:23 PM

They could also slap on a Choice Band for Lucario and have it learn Ice Punch instead of Swords Dance but I prefer facing the SD version instead in all honesty. Her Garchomp could have a Choice Band or Life Orb though haha.

Regarding Garchomp, that thing makes me cringe just thinking about it. I recall facing it with a Hippowdon roughly around level 67 back in Diamond and I nearly got OHKO by a non critical Dragon Rush, that literally made me sweat due to how hard that hit even something as bulky as a Hippowdon of all things. Thank god I never sent up my Salamence or Empoleon against it ugh.

Only kind of moveset I can think for Spiritomb is Swagger, Psych Up, Sucker Punch, and either Shadow Sneak, Embargo, or Taunt but yeah it's fine being left alone for the most part anyways.

psyanic March 27th, 2012 2:26 PM

They don't slap on too many items on in-game trainers... I think they should though. It would make it a lot harder for sure. Garchomp with a Life Orb is an even worse nightmare, considering that she could totally use that as an excuse to chuck some Full Restores at it. God, that's some good preparation for the Battle Frontier!

Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 2:34 PM

I do recall Cheren using held items quite liberally back in B&W but yeah all of those additions to Cynthia's team excluding the Braviary and Elektross she had in Undella Town would be something straight out of hell in every conceivable way lol.

But I figure if you can manage that kind of battle without using any items such as Full Restores then you're more than ready for the Frontier haha.

For levels though I can imagine her team being all level 85 with her Garchomp being level 87. Truly a battle meant for Champions no lol.

psyanic March 27th, 2012 2:40 PM

Eh, Cheren doesn't count, even though I kind of liked him. I really wish trainers would level up with you, like Cynthia would keep getting her levels raised until she reached 90 or something. That's what you call a real battle. Definitely Champion-worthy!

I think it would be awesome if your player character officially became Champion after winning and then you could accept battles from random trainers, like rematching Gym Battles in HGSS.

Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 2:47 PM

All this talk about modifications is starting to make the idea of a Platinum hack that much more intriguing lol. Provided I had any hacking skills atm haha.

His use of held items is a refreshing change of pace from the Sitrus Berries Cynthia and Gary use on their strongest Poke all the time if you ask me lol. That and my Umbreon has a heyday with Cheren's team due to knowing Thief and stealing rather rare items like the Leftovers and Focus Sash for me lol.

I think Nintendo wanted to make Red the highest leveled trainer in the game due to his Pikachu being level 88 I believe but yeah the idea of trainers getting stronger after each battle like with the Hoenn Gym Leaders in Emerald and Barry in Platinum is definitely something to look forward to again lol. I wonder how the random trainer challenge is going to work out though tbh.

psyanic March 27th, 2012 2:50 PM

Platinum had a lot of potential, really. I think the game mechanics made it interesting with the Special/Physical switch and Cynthia just made it all the more awesome.

I think the random trainer thing can work like the Battle Frontier. I mean they're pretty random anyway, so just random trainers can battle you. Maybe they won't be perfect IV'd and all, but I think that would be a wonderful change of pace. And having the highest leveled Pokemon as a Pikachu is kinda embarrassing. Even if it's high leveled, one Earthquake takes it down D:

Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 2:57 PM

Oh yeah Platinum was great just due to how much more fleshed out of a overall game it was when compared to Diamond and Pearl, tbh it's actually one of my favorite games in the series now haha.

Actually I can see that now too to an extent, seeing random trainers progress to gym after gym and at some point you would hear from them again as they would request to see you at the Pokemon League but what I'm wondering is what will happen if they end up winning against you, would you demand a rematch to reclaim your title right there on the spot or would you go through the Elite 4 gauntlet again to make it back to the person who took your title. And regarding the champion you defeated to gain your title in the first place I take it they would be isolated in a dungeon like how Steven was in Emerald but they could still be challenged again except their team would be higher leveled that time around. But yeah it is a pretty interesting concept overall lol.

And agreed on Red's Pikachu. My Tyranitar at level 65 survived an Iron Tail and OHKO'ed with Earthquake lol.

psyanic March 27th, 2012 3:06 PM

If they win against you... well, I suppose they'd be Champions and you'd just beat them all over again. Or maybe it could, again, like the Battle Frontier where you can keep track of how many trainers you defeated as your were Champion. Interesting way to look at it, and maybe you could see how other Champions fare, like if you check it on Wi-Fi on global chart, or just in-game trainers, like Cynthia reined for 800 battles or something.

I love the idea of the dungeon Champion thing. Steven was hard to get to, just as much as Red, and their battle was so fun. It'd be kinda funny if Champions roamed around like roaming Pokemon and the TV would keep track and you could just stalk them and battle them. Or just a dungeon. Either way, re-battling Champions when they're better sounds a lot better. I wish other people recognized you more, though. There are a few people in the trainers' club and other places, but most people just repeat the dialogue and aren't head-over-heels to you like they are for other Champions. Eh, that's really trivial xD

Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 3:12 PM

Another thing I can see working there just as long as we don't have to re-do the Gyms again seeing as we would already have the badges required but we could rematch the Gym Leaders for fun I suppose lol.

What if they traveled from dungeon to dungeon like with Steven going from Meteor Falls to the Sky Pillar to the Dark Cave to the Shoal Cave and etc for example lol. Same with Lance except he would be traveling between regions in that case like from Cerulean Cave to the Whirl Islands to the Dark Cave and etc as well haha.

psyanic March 27th, 2012 3:20 PM

A wild goose chase! That sounds really fun, actually. I would totally battle a Champion just for the joy of traveling in every little place in the region and then moving on to the next place. Lance would be a pain to find, though haha. I always hated going from Johto to Kanto for some reason, but I'm guessing Red would stay in the same place since he's too cool to move around and travel.

Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 3:27 PM

Ugh it would still be easier than trying to get Blue's number in HG/SS for the rematch, that's probably the main reason why I hate him nowadays anyways lol.

And they should have let you use Fly between regions too besides from the one area in the Pokemon League lol.

And even though Alder is rather weak for a champion as stated before I can imagine him revisiting places like the Celestial Tower, Relic Castle, Dragonspiral Tower, Undella Bay, and maybe somewhere like the Giant Chasm or the Black City/White Forest but despite all that I do remember seeing him at the top of the Celestial Tower at one point in the game where he mentions his former companion and flies off after some dialog. Rather interesting but I still would have appreciated a rematch there or at the very least for him to tell me to meet him in somewhere like the Relic Castle or Dragonspiral Tower for the rematch lol.

jacktheninjadude March 27th, 2012 3:30 PM

dragon tamers FTW!!
 
[SIZE="a"]Name: Jack

Friend: Lance

Partner: Dragonite

Reason for joining group:
1. I respect battling the champions of the game.. I love that feeling of determination you get when battling somebody with so much to throw at you and not a great deal of trainers do that in the games..
2. Lance is my favorite partially because I love dragon types
3. Lance is by far the cooler looking guy (I'm looking at you alder with your poncho and I'm shaking my head)[/SIZE]

psyanic March 27th, 2012 3:35 PM

Hey, welcome jacktheninjadude! Hope you enjoy your stay at our wonderful club!

And yeah, Alder left me wanting more. He seems like an outdoors person so he would just go about anywhere. He's stupid for not battling me at Celestial Tower. I wish they revamped him or made him more interesting... He had a lot of influence on you, but as a character, I didn't like him.

Ha, getting Blue's number is ridiculous. I'd rather try to find a Chansey in the Safari Zone. I still think he's pretty cool as a Gym Leader, except he doesn't even use a starter Pokemon, which would have made his team cooler in a way.

jacktheninjadude March 27th, 2012 3:44 PM

[SIZE="a"]Well we all gathered in the plot that alder lost a pokemon.. (don't know what it was) and he now isn't as strong as he used to be..

We first encounter him at charizard bridge.. He shows cheren up after asking what he wants to do with his life.. But when you go to celestial tower and he his dialogue makes him seem sad.. I think that's like a message to all pokemon trainers.. Sure you can be strong.. But there's more to the game than that..

Still I think alder has some silly pokemon.. A fire/fighting can take out half his team (off the top of my head)[/SIZE]

psyanic March 27th, 2012 3:49 PM

Alder disappointed me with his team. Fire murders his team, even if most of his Pokemon are actually kinda cool. The same with Rock, and that leaves Dragon for his Druddigon and some fighting move for that afro Pokemon haha.

jacktheninjadude March 27th, 2012 3:57 PM

SO MUCH STAIRS
 
[SIZE="a"]Yeah it's a shame really because the game really bigs him up.. I mean.. Why would I climb ALL THOSE STAIRS to battle alder?[/SIZE]

Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 4:01 PM

Only Pokemon that suited Alder were Buffoulant, Volcarona, and Druddigon but just barely on the last one there. I still would have preferred it if he had Pokes such as Gigalith, Mandibuzz, and maybe Braviary too but that's only because I can't think of anything better atm. Sure they're subpar as well but at the very least they would suit him more than 2 drugged up bugs and a levitating ice cream cone with a face lol.

But plot wise yeah he was rather intriguing to say the very least, reminded me of Lance a bit in that retrospect though but only a little sadly but it was enough for me to catch on to that vague resemblance lol.

And welcome to teh group Jack.

Oh and regarding Blue he should have had a Scizor in place of either Exeggutor or Rhyperior and maybe an Umbreon or Jolteon to replace the Pidgeot there but that's just my opinion there, gotta admit though haven't ever faced a Pidgeot that tough before lol, even though it just tried to stall me out with Roost as I was nailing it with Ice Beam after Ice Beam from my Blastoise at the time lol.

psyanic March 27th, 2012 4:10 PM

I suppose something like Excadrill, Beartic, and Seismitoad would have worked out well. They all have some glaring weakness, two of them sharing one, but that would have been more formidable. Also, Hydreigon wouldn't have been a bad option either, seeing that it's a Pseudo-legendary and most Champions seem to have one. I thought Volcarona really fit him, especially with his mad hair style. Why did they have to give him that stupid ice cream cone?

jacktheninjadude March 27th, 2012 4:20 PM

[SIZE="a"]I do think his pokemon look a little.. Less threatening than lances gyrados or Cithias garmchomp..

I don't think game freak is being soft on the trainers here though.. We see in the plot he is meant to be weak.. That's why he couldn't stop gheteses (can't spell) and they needed a hero on the first place

I'm not a massive genwiner but I did sigh when I realised the anticipated champion battle consisted of fighting an Ice cream :L[/SIZE]

psyanic March 27th, 2012 4:23 PM

I think the plot pointed to him being more filled with grief rather than weakness. True, he never actually won the title of Champion, according the Ghetsis anyway. Either way, he should have had more formidable Pokemon considering all he does is travel and take a few battles every now and then. And he did fail his duty as a Champion of the region to protect it, since the protagonist actually does that. You can't help but feel sorry for him though.

Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 4:26 PM

Alder still could have swept N and Ghetsis easily with that Volcarona of his though and maybe even his Buffoulant too god forbid his level 77 Volc falls to a level 54 Hydreigon after a Quiver Dance boost.

I laughed at first when I saw the afro buffalo though but I literally choked while laughing at Vanilluxe though lol.

Hmm maybe it could have been Hydreigon and Mandibuzz in White and Haxorus and Braviary in Black when it came to his final 2 team members, the rest of his team would be Volcarona, Gigalith, Buffoulant, and probably something along the lines of Seismitoad but I'm just repeating myself there sadly lol.

And agreed on Psyanic's post yet again lol. Makes me wonder who the previous champion before Alder was though in all honesty.

jacktheninjadude March 27th, 2012 4:30 PM

[SIZE="a"]Yeah.. I guess he does tug on my cold heartstrings.. Poor alder.. Then again.. I think he should have been what Riley was in pokemon D/P/PL where they are in the game just not massive impact to the main plot.. I think he should have given you an axew egg or something too

And I think the champion should have been choosable like the order of the E4.. So you can choose any champ[/SIZE]

psyanic March 27th, 2012 4:31 PM

I'm betting the previous Champion just died a long time ago, or stepped down and wanted Alder to take his place? It seems like it happened a while ago, since Ghetsis remembers it and he's old, a bit older than Alder, but it's the same spectrum. That afro is hilarious. You can't take it seriously!

Maybe Alder just chocked when N came knocking on his door, the same with Ghetsis. He's just all talk, except the Tao Dragon would probably sweep his team to be honest.

And choosing a Champion sounds like a bad idea. You just battle in a certain order for the Elite Four, but it's not like you're choosing which one you want. They're still the same trainers, so the Champion should stay the same. Besides, who else would be Champion?

jacktheninjadude March 27th, 2012 4:33 PM

[SIZE="a"]Alders hair is the business!![/SIZE]

psyanic March 27th, 2012 4:40 PM

Alder's got a mad do'. Still, the man needs a revamp. He looks too much like a guru.

jacktheninjadude March 27th, 2012 4:44 PM

[SIZE="a"]Battling cynthia now..Oh.. I just learnt that cynthias eelectros knows flamethrower.. Poor steelix lol

Anyway I guess alders hair is wacky but what about Cynthia? And lance? Someone order from normal looking hair to alders the champions
So like.. Err..
1Gary
2..[/SIZE]

Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 4:47 PM

I still find it kind of odd that a level 52 Reshiram or Zekrom could beat a team of 6 level 75 to 77 Pokes so easily tbh, unless it was something along the lines of a Choice Specs boosted Blue Flare or Draco Meteor or Choice Band boosted Bolt Strike and Stone Edge by Reshiram and Zekrom respectively lol.

And yes Alder's hair is ridiculous, very ridiculous.

Steven's and Wallace's hair were normal for the most part though, and I'm sure Steelix can hang on thanks to Sturdy lol.

psyanic March 27th, 2012 4:48 PM

Even in Unova, Cynthia's still pretty insane. Her team is always stacked. I actually really like her hairstyle. It's nice and long and cute :3

Gary's and Lance's are almost the same, one just being a bit more up and less wavy as well as being shorter. Wallace had a beret, if that counts, but I think Alder is the only Champion with like ridiculous hair.

And I suppose Zekrom/Reshiram have that fear factor going for them. Other than that, yeah, Alder probably would have won.

Ephemeral Euphoria March 27th, 2012 4:55 PM

Cynthia's hair is amazing. Enough said lol.

Alder on the other hand has been taking fashion advice from his Buffoulant now lol.

jacktheninjadude March 27th, 2012 5:03 PM

[SIZE="a"]Now all I can see is bouffalant brushing alders hair..

I guess for me the strongest champion was either Gary or Cynthia

I DEFINATLEY remember losing to Gary more though.. I think that was partially because of my youth at the time and the fact that his strongest poke would always have a type matchup to your starter[/SIZE]

psyanic March 27th, 2012 5:07 PM

Haha! Buffoulant and fashion? I can see that happening with Alder. He probably doesn't care too much anyway.

Cynthia was a hard Champion. That's just all there is to it. No other Champion really gave me trouble.

jacktheninjadude March 27th, 2012 5:13 PM

[SIZE="a"]I guess I've come a long way from using charizards wing attack to defeat grays blastiose..

And yeah.. I guess the champion should be a lot harder for us nerds.. Perhaps an ajustable level of difficulty?

I mean asides" shift" and "set" battle style[/SIZE]

psyanic March 27th, 2012 5:14 PM

Just making the games generally harder would be better. Having a difficulty would just be weird on a Pokemon game to be honest. Revamping teams here and there, now that's fun because now you have a challenge to face. And that's something new for in-game things. I think it would really make players think more, even if they're just casual.

jacktheninjadude March 27th, 2012 5:20 PM

[SIZE="a"]You've go to remember though.. Pokemon has two audiences.. Kids.. And us.. The kids are In greater number.. Always will be.. So they will not make the games harder for the sheer fact that a ten year old should complete it.. So why not make everyone happy and have a level difficulty.. I mean even using nuzlocke is fairly easy.. What's wrong with upping a few of the champions stats? :)[/SIZE]

psyanic March 27th, 2012 5:23 PM

It shouldn't be too drastically hard so that they don't beat the game, but enough to provide an adequate challenge that will satisfy the older players. Sounds really ambiguous, but it's all in-game and in the end, you win.

Anyway, we're veering off topic. Back to Champions talk! I've been wondering why Wallace replaced Steven in Emerald as Champion... any ideas?

miltankRancher March 28th, 2012 3:13 PM

woot I am back!

That's one thing I have no idea off. I mean, Wallace has not had any significant help in RS, except well, lead you to that cave. Yes, he is a capable Pokemon trainer, but Steven is more capable.

psyanic March 28th, 2012 3:19 PM

I guess in a battle between the two, Wallace has the obvious advantage with all his Water-types with Steven having a lot of Ground/Rock types. But overall, Steven is most definitely more capable than him. He has a lot more of a balanced team, in my opinion, and he gave me more trouble than Wallace ever did.

miltankRancher March 28th, 2012 3:29 PM

If we would consider type advantage as the ONLY factor, Wallace would win of course, since he practically owns Cradily, Armaldo, Skarmory, Claydol, and Aggron with Hydro Pump/Surf/ Ice Beam. Only Metagross could resist them, type-wise. However, if we will consider everything, Steven is really more than capable. I mean, look how Metagross alone could sweep his team, barring Milotic and possibly Gyarados. Even Skarmory could lay waste to Steven's team.

psyanic March 28th, 2012 3:44 PM

Yeah, in the context of other media, Steven would kick Wallace's preppy ass. Metagross would take Milotic down with Earthquake or something, but with Gyarados it's like a stalemate. Anyway, Steven just seems stronger in a way. I've always seen Wallace as like a Contest Champion rather than with battle prowess.

miltankRancher March 28th, 2012 4:02 PM

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Originally Posted by psyanic (Post 7103284)
I've always seen Wallace as like a Contest Champion rather than with battle prowess.

I agree with you here. Wallace would beat Steven in that, no doubt. Steven would not stand a chance. Or a little. But not enough to actually win the contest 50% of the time.

psyanic March 28th, 2012 4:26 PM

Steven would suck at contests. No, really, he likes battling and, guess what? Rocks! He's a rock collector and I found that really interesting about him. That interest really set him apart from the other Champions before, like Red and Blue and Lance. They were all about battling, but Steven looked like battling was second to rocks. He loved rocks and minerals and that really gave a stronger impression on me. The same with Wallace, except I don't like him as a Champion xD

Cosmotone8 April 5th, 2012 10:45 AM

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Friend: Lance

Partner: Dragonite

Reason for joining group:
1. I respect battling the champions of the game.. I love that feeling of determination you get when battling somebody with so much to throw at you and not a great deal of trainers do that in the games..
2. Lance is my favorite partially because I love dragon types
3. Lance is by far the cooler looking guy (I'm looking at you alder with your poncho and I'm shaking my head)
Welcome! Sorry I have been unable to post here, just life battered me around a ton this week.

On the topic of the contests, I think Cynthia might stand a chance against wallace, maybe lance too, but not really anyone else.

The dragon tamer April 6th, 2012 6:51 AM

Name:The dragon tamer/Draco

Friend:Lance

Partner: Dragonite

Reason for Joining:
The champions are supposed to be the most powerful trainers in the games and this means that their difficulty level is very high.This is the first reason I like them.I also like the way they battle and their overall role in the games.My favourite champion is Lance mostly because of my love and interest in Dragon-type pokemon.But I also like Cynthia because of her balanced team and her important role in the history of 4th generation games.

Who informed of the club (If needed):Nobody

Cosmotone8 April 6th, 2012 6:56 AM

Welcome to the club! Hope you stay active and enjoy yourself here.

mineox100 April 6th, 2012 7:46 AM

Name: mineox100

Friend: Red

Partner: Pikachu

Reason for Joining: Red is one of the strongest trainers I know.

Who informed you of the club (If needed): Nobody

The dragon tamer April 6th, 2012 8:30 AM

In think that the champion that I had more fun battling is Cynthia because the first time I battled against her I didn't know anything about her team and that increased her difficulty level drastically.This battle was so intense that I had to put all my strategies in action so I can win.It was the best battle I have ever had!

As for the topic of the contests,I agree with Cosmotone8 that Cynthia would be a very good opponent for Wallace but especially Steven wouldn't stand a chance against him.His team is one of the best ones for battling but not for contests.

mineox100 April 6th, 2012 12:28 PM

I never got far in any game, so I only battled Cynthia and Steven.
Steven weren't really hard because he focus on two or one types and I just brought my Fire and Fighting types Pokemon. Cynthia was harder because she had many different types, I transfered a few of my GBA Pokemon to the game and I still lost. On the 5th try,
I finally won with my Walrein using Blizzard on her Garchomp! So I say that Cynthia is a much stronger opponent than Steven. Maybe the strongest.

Cosmotone8 April 6th, 2012 12:34 PM

I agree that Cynthia is stronger, but I'm still drawn to Steven for some reason. Something about him that I really like, just from the way he acts to his Pokemon.

miltankRancher April 10th, 2012 3:44 AM

maybe because of his cool surname?

No, really. Steven and Cynthia are masters. Something about them feels the same.

Cosmotone8 April 10th, 2012 12:33 PM

Well, they both help you throughout the game and give you useful pointers. They also have very similar attitudes and perspectives on things.

ZalelikesCookies April 15th, 2012 10:28 PM

Can we do rematches for the champions? if so

Name ZalelikesCookies

Friend Lance

Partner Salamence

Reason for joining Lance is the coolest ever and has an epic theme

Who informed you of the club (If needed): Nobody

Cosmotone8 April 16th, 2012 5:17 AM

Im not sure what you are asking really. What do you mean by rematches?

Sector April 16th, 2012 9:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmotone8 (Post 7134391)
Im not sure what you are asking really. What do you mean by rematches?

I think he meant the 2nd playthrough against the Elite Fours/Champion Pokemon, since Lance doesn't have Salamence till after you go through Kanto's gyms.(To shorten it up, he wants Salamence as his partner)

Cosmotone8 April 21st, 2012 4:34 AM

Ah, I see. In that case welcome!

mavy42 April 22nd, 2012 1:49 AM

Name: Mavy

Friend: Red

Partner: Charizard

Reason for Joining: i want to be a champion!!!

Who informed you of the club: Nobody

Cosmotone8 April 22nd, 2012 9:42 AM

Welcome to the club! I hope that you can post some new topics and stay actve.

Vato April 22nd, 2012 10:54 AM

Name - Vato

Friend - Cynthia

Partner - Togekiss

Reason For Joining - Champions, the toughest trainers in their regions, they are smart, strong, and wouldn't hesitate to use an item or to switch their Pokemon, thats what makes them cool, they're different in every sense, well, except for Alder, I was kind of expecting more from his team in White.

I actually prefer Cynthia, not because of her Pokemon, I don't like them (mainly because they were about to defeat me like a trillion times when I first faced her), but, I think she's the only one who uses moves in a strategic way (For example, before attacking, her Milotic used Aqua Ring), and you get to know her in Pt before facing her, and you actually never expect what her team is going to be when you're going to face her for the first time, I must say it, when I first fought with her, I thought she would use Dark Pokemon (Those black clothes are tricky), and her only dark Pokemon was Spiritomb :O
And she also uses Togekiss in Pt., I love Togekiss :)

Who Informed You Of The Club? - Nobody.

Cosmotone8 April 24th, 2012 12:43 PM

Welcome to the club! Activity has been bad lately, but hopefully that can change!

Squirrel April 24th, 2012 2:53 PM

This place is in desperate need of a topic, so here goes!

If you were to create a new mono-type champion, which type would you give them and why?


I'd make an Electric type champion. I know at first this might sound weird, but if you consider the huge number of Electric types there are with intricate typings and strategies, it seems like the perfect type to make a very diverse team around. With bulky resistant Pokemon such as Eelektross and Rotom supporting more fragile powerhouses such as Magnazone and Jolteon, the Electric type Pokemon could deal tremendous amounts of trouble to any oncoming challengers. They'd just have to make sure the team is put together well with Pokemon such as Eelektross with Acid Spray leading to weaken the enemy for the agile damage dealers to take out easily. Plus how cool would an Electric type champion look! The answer is very.

Cosmotone8 April 25th, 2012 12:33 PM

Electric would certainly be cool! But I want a flying person. That would be awesome, because I love flying types.

psyanic April 25th, 2012 6:16 PM

A Flying-type Champion sounds almost too easy. I mean, Flying-types tend to have a ton of weaknesses, especially to common moves like Ice Beam or Thunderbolt.

I think a Ghost-type Champion would look pretty sick. And Ghost-types are usually very strong offensively and speedy, so they could land a hard hit or two. Unfortunately, there aren't enough Ghost-types to make a team diverse enough to prove to be a real challenge imo.

Hann April 26th, 2012 10:56 AM

Hmm, I'd like a Flying-type champion too, but it does sound easy. Actually every mono-type trainer is fairly easy to defeat if you use the right Pokémon and moves. So I think I'll go with a Rock-type champion. We've had three Rock gyms, but they were always the first ones to defeat so I'd love to see a champion with something stronger than a Geodude or a Nosepass. And it's one of the types that haven't been used by the Elite Four + Champion yet.

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Unfortunately, there aren't enough Ghost-types to make a team diverse enough to prove to be a real challenge imo.
And they still made three Elite Four members Ghost Mono-types. Though a Ghost-type Champion would be pretty cool.

Cosmotone8 April 26th, 2012 11:43 AM

As cool as it would be to do a flying, like you all pointed out it would be too easy. But rock would be just as bad. Especially since they are weak to two of the starter types, which people often use till the end of the game. You add fighting and ground in there, and it just makes a mess. Now, if I had to choose one besides flying, I would go with Alex's suggestion of an electric one or I would go with a fighting. Fighting is only weak to flying and psychic, so It could work. There is also a lot of diversity at both of those types.

Sector April 26th, 2012 12:22 PM


Name: Sector Revenge

Friend: Cynthia

Partner: Milotic (Peach)

Reason for Joining: Well the champions are the most respectful and looked up to trainers in the world. And the most challenging!

I once signed up before but I was never updated on the member's list. So I thought I'd try it again!

In answer to the topic:

If I had to choose a new mono-type champion, that differs from those currently? Excluding out the Steel, Water and Dragon types...I will have to say Normal or Electric types myself. Electric team would definitely have Eelektross, Emolga, Rotom-W, Galvantula, Magnezone and Jolteon. Normal type? Blissey, Miltank, Girafarig, Togekiss, Porygon2/Z, Ambipom. I think they'd be one interesting, yet challenging battles in -game.

Cosmotone8 April 26th, 2012 12:24 PM

Oh my gosh! I forgot to add you!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vptx1mXw12A/TwRAG5n77KI/AAAAAAAAANU/s30XHnBrN8Y/s1600/Dawn+Pokemon+facepalm1.png
Will do now! XD

Hann April 29th, 2012 4:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmotone8 (Post 7149905)
As cool as it would be to do a flying, like you all pointed out it would be too easy. But rock would be just as bad. Especially since they are weak to two of the starter types, which people often use till the end of the game. You add fighting and ground in there, and it just makes a mess. Now, if I had to choose one besides flying, I would go with Alex's suggestion of an electric one or I would go with a fighting. Fighting is only weak to flying and psychic, so It could work. There is also a lot of diversity at both of those types.

Like I mentioned every Mono-type trainer is easy to defeat. Even though Fighting is only weak to Flying and Psychic if you have one or two Pokémon with those type of moves, they're easily defeated. It's one of the reasons Cynthia is so difficult to defeat, because she has such a diverse team (Blue too, and Alder but he doesn't count).

Rhappi April 30th, 2012 6:18 AM

Name - Rhappi

Friend - Lance

Partner - Dragonair

Reason For Joining - I'm a big fan of the champions. I especially like Lance and Steven a lot. Lance is my favorite - I don't even know why XD
I guess it is because of his dragon types... I love them! :)

Who Informed You Of The Club? - Nobody.


--

Which Champion's Pokemon is your favorite?

Lance Dragonite. I have a Dragonite myself in almost every team and I love it. It's one of my favorite Pokémon!
But I also like Cynthia's Milotic a lot...

Cosmotone8 May 25th, 2012 11:25 AM

Welcome to the club! Holy cow, was this club close to dying out or what?

miltankRancher May 28th, 2012 6:03 AM

Close enough. I think we need a new topic.

f you would reshuffle the champions, which champion would you place in what region?

Cosmotone8 May 28th, 2012 6:06 AM

I would place red at indigo league, and make Blue the final Elite Four there. Lance would move to Hoenn, Steven would move to Sinnoh, and Cynthia would move to Unova.

Squirrel June 7th, 2012 4:00 PM

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Originally Posted by miltankRancher (Post 7194134)
f you would reshuffle the champions, which champion would you place in what region?

I'd get rid of regional champions and make Cynthia the champion of every region. I don't have a preference for her personality or anything, but she's the only champion that ever posed a challenge to me whilst fighting them so imo she's the only one worthy of being known as a champion. :p On a related note, do you guys think the champions should be harder?

Cosmotone8 June 9th, 2012 4:36 AM

Depends on the champ. I think that Steven and Wallace definetly need to be stronger, along with Alder. Cynthia's good, and so are Red and blue.
Oh, and I agree with you for the most part on the Cynthia thing. She should be the champ of the last three regions, but not indigo league. Red should be champ there, just because he is red. :P

Squirrel June 18th, 2012 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cosmotone8 (Post 7208546)
Red should be champ there, just because he is red. :P

Why though? What has he ever done that warrants being champion? His team sucks and he's soooo weak! xD Incidentally, here's something to discuss :D

Red is supposedly champion of the Indigo League, but how strong do you think he actually is?
In my opinion, not strong at all. his team is terrible and he picked really odd Pokémon to use! Snorlax and Lapras are good Pokémon in general, but the rest of his team is really bad. Venosaur can be decent, but things like Blastoise, Charizard, Pikachu, they all suck D: I really wish he was harder because climbing to the top of Mt Silver to beat a Pikachu is not worth it >.>

Cosmotone8 June 18th, 2012 2:34 PM

I had a hard time because of underlevelness, or what ever the heck the proper term is. But still, he had an incrediblely balanced team and it was hard for me to take down the starters.

mineox100 June 18th, 2012 2:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake (Post 7218545)

Why though? What has he ever done that warrants being champion? His team sucks and he's soooo weak! xD Incidentally, here's something to discuss :D

Red is supposedly champion of the Indigo League, but how strong do you think he actually is?
In my opinion, not strong at all. his team is terrible and he picked really odd Pokémon to use! Snorlax and Lapras are good Pokémon in general, but the rest of his team is really bad. Venosaur can be decent, but things like Blastoise, Charizard, Pikachu, they all suck D: I really wish he was harder because climbing to the top of Mt Silver to beat a Pikachu is not worth it >.>

He had that team because, well, he's supposed to be based on Ash.

Squirrel June 22nd, 2012 2:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mineox100 (Post 7218611)


He had that team because, well, he's supposed to be based on Ash.

That's true haha. Even so, Ash has some much cooler Pokémon that he could've used D: His Donphan, Heracross, Kingler, Muk & Tauros all would've been much more interesting to fight than a team of the starters. Although I know Red =/= Ash, I'm pretty sure there teams are somewhat similar? x]

Who d'you think would win out of Cynthia vs Alder? :o

Cosmotone8 June 22nd, 2012 2:54 PM

Well, the team he had was classic. That was kinda the whole point of it.
Oh and Cynthia would CRUSH Alder. Garchomp = domination.

Squirrel June 22nd, 2012 2:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cosmotone8 (Post 7224301)
Oh and Cynthia would CRUSH Alder. Garchomp = domination.

What about Alder's Vanniluxe and Druddigon? I reckon they'd certainly give Garchomp a run for its money :o I know Garchomp is incredibly fast and could almost without doubt out-speed these two Pokémon, but I'm not sure Garchomp really has any moves to effectively take these Pokémon (especially Druddigon) out in one hit. Especially since they're super bulky!

Cosmotone8 June 22nd, 2012 3:00 PM

Dragon Rush will take care of Druddigon. Lucario will take care of Vanniluxe, nuff said.

Ephemeral Euphoria June 22nd, 2012 3:07 PM

Cynthia's stronger than Alder imo, granted Alder does have Volcorona but Cynthia does have her Milotic to counter it when put in the opposite position CynthChomp would have Stone Edge to handle Vanilluxe where Volcorona can barely do anything to Milotic if anything at all but that's just my 2 cents there.

Long time no see btw.

Cosmotone8 June 22nd, 2012 3:10 PM

Stone Edge basically gets rid of Alder's entire team. This is coming from someone who used just an Archeops w/stone edge on PP up steriods to defeat him.

Ephemeral Euphoria June 23rd, 2012 2:05 PM

Only member of Alder's team that can handle CynthChomp imo would have to be Escavalier since its defense isn't too shabby and its attack is outright ridiculous, pretty much Scizor on steroids if you ask me, that and it isn't weak to any of CynthChomp's attacks thankfully. If CynthChomp can 2HKO Escavalier though then it's GG for Alder right then and there lol.

okjoek June 27th, 2012 5:37 PM

Hi! I'd Like to join this club.


I'm Okjoek

I'd like my friend to be Wallace
My partner would be Milotic

I want to join because I havn't been on in a long time (since early in the school year) and my old Team Magma and Aqua fanclub doesn't appear to exist anymore so I need some new groups to chat about Pokemon stuff with. Since I love role playing in my games by making my own champion teams I thought this would be a nice place to discuss the pros and cons of the existing champions. My first game was Emerald which was awesome because I got to fight not one but two champions! I hope you soon add Iris to your list aswell. Also as a side note N was able to defeat Alder officialy making him a champion for a short time so he should be up there =P.


Onto discussion I guess... Strongest Champion? Here's how I rate them and why:

1: Cynthia, She has a ballanced team, I love how they used a pokemon with no weakness as a startoff in battle. Garchomp is the most devistating sweeper of an end boss ever.

2: Steven: It's not asmuch his team I like as it is his design, attitude, speech and the fact that collecting stones is indeed a fun hobby! But when it comes to battling, he's got something that'l piss everyone off from spikes to toxic to duel screening. I'm dissapointed he doesn't have one pokemon that knows sandstorm, but his theme of finding the opponents weak points is wonderful.

3:Gary Mother____ing Oak, I fought EVERY SINGLE trainer in my Fire Red and still had trouble in battle with him. He's got a well ballanced team, although none of his pokemon would fall into my favorite list.He's the original champion so he has to be in my top 3.

4: Wallace, yes my first champion! and by far the most fabulous! Doubling as a contest master and ex gym leader I just never understand why he's so underrated. He's the only champion I EVER lost to because since Emerald was my first game I skipped loads of trainers and was not so much confused but too intrigued with the world of pokemon around me to prepair and even buy equipment effectively. On top of that I had my Blaziken, Chicky who found no comfort fighting Wallace. I eventually beat him after capturing Rayquaza which I realy had no idea in my inexperience that it was a "no skill" way to win.

5: Lance... Ice beam. Nuff said. Couldn't be bottom for me though because the overall idea is badass and capes are simply amazing.

Red: I realy don't care for his team nor design, but he is... red I guess. *shrugs*.

6: Alder... Derp, His whole team could be swept by a pokemon with some good fire and fighting moves like my infernape from Diamond.

Cosmotone8 July 12th, 2012 10:02 AM

Welcome to the club! I will definetly add on to that front post with Iris. And with that comes a new topic.....
How powerful do you think Iris is? Where does she rank among her peers (other champions)? Discuss.

okjoek July 13th, 2012 12:33 PM

I'd rate Iris prety good. She's like Lance except she covers for the ice type weakness a little better. HOWEVER!...

Lapras, Aggron and Hydreigon are ALL weak against fighting type moves which are extreemly common to use. Ontop of that non of her team can truely resist fighting type moves. I'd Imagine being able to go in there with a Lucario that knows aura sphere and dragon pulse and simply sweeping her.

Seraphimon-sama July 13th, 2012 8:06 PM

Name: Seraphimon-sama
Friend: Cynthia
Partner: Garchomp
Reason for Joining: I really really like Cynthia.

I'd honestly rate Iris as a decent Champion, better than all other Champions except for Wallace, Steven and Cynthia. I destroyed her team with just Emboar and Azumarill.

okjoek July 14th, 2012 1:04 PM

I've got an awesome idea for champions! How come they make it so that they never use items besides a sitrus berry? I think they need to give all champion pokemon one item even if it's just more berries! Someone who calls themselves a champion wouldn't be so stupid as to not take an oppertunity that could mean the difference between a win and a lose.

Personaly I wouldn't mind another Gary champion who simply gives a water,fire, grass trio. For example in Unova something cool would be:

Eelektross- A good startoff kinda like cynthia because it has no weaknesses.
Light screen
Thunder wave
Brick break
Thunderbolt

Mienshao- A good sweeper.
Hi-Jump kick
Stone edge
U-turn
Reflect

Jellicent- Recover will be sure to cause irritation.
Surf/hydro pump
Shadow ball
Recover
Ice beam

Ferrothorn- Slow and deffencive based.
Curse
Gyro ball
Payback
Power whip

Volcarona- Buff up then sweep.
Quiver dance
Flamethrower/ fireblast
bug buzz
psychic

Dennis' hacked hydreigon FTW- what's a champion without an awesome end boss?
Surf
Fire blast
Focus blast
Dragon pulse

Cosmotone8 July 16th, 2012 4:58 PM

Lol I love how you call Ghetsis Dennis XD
Welcome to the club Seraphimon-sama! Will add you and ojoek as soon as I get to a real computer and not just a phone XD But yeah that would be a great team for someone in Unova. It wouldn't work on Iris though because of her Dragon Gym type, but it would be great for Banjirou (pretty sure that's his name) or Alder. Preferably Banjirou since its kinda like a fresh slate for him where as with Alder you kinda already have a team that you have to stick to.

mineox100 July 16th, 2012 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okjoek (Post 7253694)
I've got an awesome idea for champions! How come they make it so that they never use items besides a sitrus berry? I think they need to give all champion pokemon one item even if it's just more berries! Someone who calls themselves a champion wouldn't be so stupid as to not take an oppertunity that could mean the difference between a win and a lose.

Personaly I wouldn't mind another Gary champion who simply gives a water,fire, grass trio. For example in Unova something cool would be:

Eelektross- A good startoff kinda like cynthia because it has no weaknesses.
Light screen
Thunder wave
Brick break
Thunderbolt

Mienshao- A good sweeper.
Hi-Jump kick
Stone edge
U-turn
Reflect

Jellicent- Recover will be sure to cause irritation.
Surf/hydro pump
Shadow ball
Recover
Ice beam

Ferrothorn- Slow and deffencive based.
Curse
Gyro ball
Payback
Power whip

Volcarona- Buff up then sweep.
Quiver dance
Flamethrower/ fireblast
bug buzz
psychic

Dennis' hacked hydreigon FTW- what's a champion without an awesome end boss?
Surf
Fire blast
Focus blast
Dragon pulse

That's a pretty good team! :D Does the champion have an Action Replay? XD
I would replace Dragon Pulse with Dragon Rush, because it's awesome. :P

Cosmotone8 July 17th, 2012 5:54 AM

I dunno. Dragon Rush doesn't hit very reliably, whereas Dragon Pulse does. Also Hydreigon has higher Sp Attack then regular Attack.

okjoek July 17th, 2012 2:32 PM

I'd love to see someone like steven using a team like this!:

Tyranitar- Perfect setup and automatic sandstorm! Perhaps a Rocky helmet for hold.
Stealth rock
Stone edge
payback
fire blast

Garchomp- Sand veil+Lax incense = Troll. Swords dance will have you crying aswell.
Swords dance
dragon claw/rush
Earthquake
Brich break

Metagross- Tank with a priority move for extra difficulty. Leftovers would work for it.
Meteor mash
Earthquake
Psychic
Bullet punch

Excadrill (sand rush)- Sweep! Let it hold something like an expert belt.
Earthquake
X-scizzor
Rock slide
Shadow claw/Brick break

Caracoasta(sturdy)- Shell smash+Sturdy= Win sweep. I'd let it hold a lum berry maybe.
Shell smash
Surf
Earthquake
Crunch

Archeops- Could probably hold a sitrus berry incase it goes just below half HP.
I'm not sure about a moveset because I've never used it!, but Iris' looks tough so hers probably has good moves.

Cosmotone8 July 17th, 2012 4:09 PM

Yet another good team, okjoek. Since we're already listing teams, lets start up a new topic.

If you had to give one Champion a new team, which would it be and why?

Seraphimon-sama July 19th, 2012 3:52 AM

In response to the guess that Pokemon in the OP, my answer is Metang.

Olli August 1st, 2012 6:27 PM

I know this is far back, but I just had to comment on this post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake (Post 7218545)

Why though? What has he ever done that warrants being champion? His team sucks and he's soooo weak! xD Incidentally, here's something to discuss :D

Red is supposedly champion of the Indigo League, but how strong do you think he actually is?
In my opinion, not strong at all. his team is terrible and he picked really odd Pokémon to use! Snorlax and Lapras are good Pokémon in general, but the rest of his team is really bad. Venosaur can be decent, but things like Blastoise, Charizard, Pikachu, they all suck D: I really wish he was harder because climbing to the top of Mt Silver to beat a Pikachu is not worth it >.>

While you're right in some of the choices being quite odd, you also gotta take the other champions into account. The levels of his team far exceeds any other champion there has ever been, even though his highest leveled was a Pikachu. Also I'm pretty sure that he's not supposed to be Ash, however his team was based on the most popular Pokémon from the first generation. The game had been long overdue, and I think the game developers wanted to put something in that would remind the players of the first generation, so they made a team based around the popular Pokémon from that generation. Pikachu, being the mascot of the whole franchise, should be his main Pokémon. The fully evolved starters were some of the most well known Pokémon from back then, so of course they should also be in the team. Both Snorlax and Lapras were strong event Pokémon, where you couldn't even get through the game without beating Snorlax, and you were also most likely to get a Lapras along the way from Silph Co, which made both of them pretty well known too. So yeah, while some of the second generation Pokémon might've been more ideal, it just wouldn't fit into the whole theme.

Cosmotone8 August 2nd, 2012 8:21 AM

I'm back guys!:D
Quote:

Originally Posted by Olli97 (Post 7281496)
I know this is far back, but I just had to comment on this post.

While you're right in some of the choices being quite odd, you also gotta take the other champions into account. The levels of his team far exceeds any other champion there has ever been, even though his highest leveled was a Pikachu. Also I'm pretty sure that he's not supposed to be Ash, however his team was based on the most popular Pokémon from the first generation. The game had been long overdue, and I think the game developers wanted to put something in that would remind the players of the first generation, so they made a team based around the popular Pokémon from that generation. Pikachu, being the mascot of the whole franchise, should be his main Pokémon. The fully evolved starters were some of the most well known Pokémon from back then, so of course they should also be in the team. Both Snorlax and Lapras were strong event Pokémon, where you couldn't even get through the game without beating Snorlax, and you were also most likely to get a Lapras along the way from Silph Co, which made both of them pretty well known too. So yeah, while some of the second generation Pokémon might've been more ideal, it just wouldn't fit into the whole theme.

What made Red so hard for me was how high the levels were. The person with the next highest levels is Banjirou in BW2 (at least I think) but he only has three Pokemon which makes his team all the easier to beat. Red had a full team of all level 80 or higher Pokemon. Nobody has yet topped that, so you have to put Red up there as one of the strongest trainers if not the strongest.

<Challenger> August 14th, 2012 9:24 AM

Name: heretostay
Friend: Red
Partner: Pikachu
Reason for Joining: People like Red and Ethan Gold, maybe Lucas Platinum are my heroes. I'll be one of them some day.
Who informed you of the club: Nobody


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