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New Pokemon League? Speculation!
So do you think we'll be getting new members of the Elite 4? A new Champion? Will they be characters we've seen before or entirely new ones? Will be finally get the tournament style Pokemon League in the games that some of us wanted?
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I am getting the feeling Drayden will be in there for the sake of there not being 2 gym leader possibilities in Opelucid. For me it would be kind of different to see a new member period not just a champ that we have never see prior in the series, then again neither has two third versions . If there was a person from prior games that I would like to see in an Elite Four it would be Volkner since he always struck me as a cut above the rest and just as equal to as a trainer to Flint. Not to mention Shauntal mentioned battling him and Cynthia visits the villa in Undella so I don't see him being there out of the realm of possibility, although it's highly doubtful and unlikely.
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The only possibility I see is Alder retiring.
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The only thing I think I can say for sure is that the Pokemon League's style will remain the same. No tournament, just facing the Elite 4 as always. (Though, that's fine with me. It's always been that way.)
As far as who will the Champion, Elite 4, and even the gym leaders be? With this being a sequel, who knows? No characters have been introduced yet. Still, this is a very good question. |
Dryden and Iris in a double battle, the Triplets in a triple battle and harder gym puzzles
and possibly stronger elite 4's |
I'd like to see a new bunch of Elite Four, maybe types that have never been used in the E4 before like flying, grass etc.
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I'd like to hope that the E4 in the sequels will be different from the original B/W, and I think the chances of this will be quite high, given that Game Freak will want to differentiate this from the originals as much as possible. As for anything in particular about the members/types etc, I always like to be surprised about this, so I never really like to speculate! :D
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It's a long shot but they could do it depending on your version one Elite Four Member is Fire Type the other Electric going by whether you have Black 2 or White 2 respectively, it's something new and has never been done before (with the E4).
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I don't think there will be a new Elite Four. Maybe the Elite Four will just different Pokemon. To be honest, there's barley a possibility that there will be new Elite Four members.
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I don't like that their types were too similar to each other in B/W. I like Shauntal's design so I'd want her to stay (or perhaps be promoted) but the rest of them could be replaced and I would be fine with it. Hopefully with more variation in types.
I'm hoping Alder gets replaced too... that guy just gave me freaky vibes with his attempts at philosophical dialogue. Especially coming from a guy who resembles the hired muscle of Pokemon Colosseum. I'm still not totally convinced that they're not related somehow. Another female champion would be awesome. |
I mean they can stay but they need to do more. Grimsley needs to come out of the League and interact with player. But yeah, I like the whole E4, great designs and concepts, so I don't really want them changed.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with the current E4 + Champion, and Grimsley is my favorite character from generation 5, so yeah. It would be fun if they used the triple/rotation battles in there, though.
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You know, this came to my mind... how come the Pokemon games never used the following types in the Elite 4 in any region
Normal Electric Grass Flying Rock Steel? (Only 3 of Steven's Pokemon were Steel. Maybe they should add another Steel user since there's more Steel types) |
Normal, Grass and Rock can work seeing as they have no gyms with those types (The E4 usually doesn't have it's region's gyms share types with it ,with the excetions of Johto, Kanto (gen II,IV (Sabrina and what's his name were both Psychic users)), and Hoenn (E) also I guess Unova (BW) can be added here since Alder team was half bug like Steven's was half steel...).
I'll like for them to keep the E4 the same though, and replace Alder with someone else (maybe the player character from BW? White/Hilda for B2 and Black/Hilbert for W2?) |
I'm not sure I want the champion being the protagonists from the originals. Do that, and the same problem arises that did in the 2nd gen games regarding Red... Game Freak assigning what is supposed to be "your" character from a previous game with an arbitrary team. I was outraged when they did that in G/S/C/HG/SS (and I'm still not sure why I seem to be alone in this), and I wouldn't want to see them pull the same thing again in B2/W2 (especially giving Hilda/Hilbert an unevolved Pokemon for some ridiculous and random reason). I'd rather see Cheren or Bianca in this position since their teams were pre-set (excepting their starter).
And Lenora represents Normal. And if you start with Oshawott, the first gym would be Grass. |
I'd just like to say that it's very unlikely that there will be any plot-relevant triple or rotation battles.
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I would prefer Alder be relieved or resign from his post as Champ, and let someone else take over i.e. his student Marshall or Cheren(who has already proved strong enough to make it to him and beat the rest of the Elite Four). If they had Cheren in there as a replacement I'd be absolutely content. |
Unless its set on a different time line ( witch will probably be ) , i don't see a justification to change the Pokemon league
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I'm hopin for set battle theme'd teams rather than type themes.
Like a Status Team that focuses on using negative stats against you, or even metagame teams like trick room. Maybe more freedom with teams like one new E4 member beind a dancer and having a lot of pokemon that look like they'd be dancing. @Lasabre Red was the main character from Red/Green/Blue/Yellow. After Pokemon Yellow came out it was more fitting for him to be closer related to Yellow's game and Ash hence the Pikachu. Lapras was from the Sliph Co while Snorlax can also be a Manga tie in where Red used a Snorlax in the Final Competion, and like Lapras, Snorlax was a major featured Pokemon. The Starters were a way of saying, this is the main character from R/B/G as well as giving relation to Yellow where you can assemble all of the starters and was again a relation to Ash. As to why Green isn't a choosable replacement, the game's story already reads as Red was the Champion. Green did not exist in Gold/Silver, and no the events of the Remake do not count in the story line as it is a retelling of the story. Only reason we recieved an option for a female protagonist is because we received one since Crystal. Since HG/SS were carbon copies of G/S/C with minor edits, it would still follow the basic line of G/S/C where only Red existed. As for possibly Champion: Cheren has the better chance. Bel/Bianca gave up her "trainer" dreams half way through the story and simply assists Prof. Juniper with her work. So if we are going for most likely champion to replace Alder its Cheren who's goal was to conquer the Pokemon League. |
leave them alone, Only thing I'd want is possible triple/rotational battle in 1st Gym ( this could be problem considering it is only 1st gym) and double battle in final gym. Also I'd want Gym remaches. I do not want new gym leaders! It would be wasted chance to have re-match with them!
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If the protags are different from B/W (big if), then I'd like to see Hilbert/Hilda replace Alder as the Champion.
Oh, and if there are Gym Leader changes, I'd like to FINALLY see a Dark Gym. Seriously, it's long overdue. >:| |
I don't know about new gyms but Alder.....someone bless his heart....IMO he is just too weak to be a champion....he doesn't hold that aura that intimidates and screams I'm a champion for a reason. Even Cynthia seemed like a bad***, a sweet and caring bad*** lol So I really hope they have a new champion! :D
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I dont think the elite four members will change, but I have a feeling there may be a new champion. They did it with Emerald, changing Steven to Wallace. So maybe, they'll switch Alder out with someone, but he can still be battle-able in a cave somewhere.
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I'm seeing Bianca as the trainer school teacher and Cheren as the new champ.
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Actually, considering that Bianca/Cheren aren't introduced yet, I'd say he probably isn't the champion and that we'll have a whole new characterset, or it'll be one of the previous leaders.
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At first I didn't see anything wrong with the E4 being the same once again, but since GameFreak has introduced new Gym Leaders, it would be more logical for there to be new Elite Four members now. I wouldn't mind just an adjustment to the design of the league instead of switching out the members though.
Definitely want to see Alder retire however, he's not really one of my favorite champions. |
Can't the elite 4 be the heroes from the other 4 games with Touya as the champion?
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Just remembered about this. When you meet Cynthia in Undella she mentions that every so often the Champions gather to battle to see who is the best. What if that wasn't just chatting from the AI and an actual hint as to what could happen in this one?
I know it doesn't directly play part with new possible league, but post game, (assuming you get to keep the Champion title) You could battle the five or Four Past Champions. Either Blue/Lance/Steven/Cynthia OR Red/Ethan/(May/Brandon)/(Dawn/Lucas)? |
I would like to see Brycen as a member of the Elite Four, personally. Maybe replacing Grimsley. I wouldn't be too far from surprised if they made Marshal Champion, considering he was Alder's student. Though, I wouldn't be too happy about it, either.
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1. The character is nontalking, and they've made it a point to have the champion be a part of the game to make the Elite Four more than a "well I'm done better go do that thing now" kind of thing. 2. People who used Touko will probably be upset (Take Elite Overlord and HG/SS in relation to FR/LG for example). I would like Cheren as a champion. He can give a wistful speech about his friend who's...doing whatever the old protags are doing during this time, and then challenge you. I like Alder though, I would want him to be doing something important. Maybe have him training with the old protag? |
I would really like to see a Tournament style Pokemon League in this one, although its not highly likely, it has a great shot in this game, considering everything seems to be more or less expected, and like XanderO said, it was mentioned in B/W by Cynthia that there is a Tournament of Champions every so often, so why not a Tournament League?
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Maybe Alder retired and a new champion is in place say Bianca/Cheren, now that would be cool!
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Just cause they did not talk in the other games does';t mean they can't now. As for the e4 set up 2 could be the females and the other 2 could be males |
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Plus, it's like Toujours said, if they favor one playable character over the other as the Champion, MANY of the opposing gender's fans would be in a massive uproar about it. It would just be easier, and really more original, if they just kept to the same concept for the Elite Four. |
This is a generation of change, I don't see why having one mix champ (Champ ) and one mix E4 (Cheren, Bianca's proably prof, and I doubt the other three will be multitype anyways) would be bad, actually it'll make it a whole lot tougher and a real challenge for us.
As for the gender of the champ, they could have you decide like they did with Latias and Latios in Emerald. Maybe the player watches the tv and then the games asks for the gender of the champ... |
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And I brought up the not talking because it's there for a reason. The character is supposed to be you; you project your own personality onto it and make it into what you want. Giving it a voice gives it a personality, probably not the particular one you chose for the character. That's why main character don't talk at times. That would ruin that image entirely. Edit: Oh I get it now. But still, why in the world would they be there? There's no reason for random champions of a region to go be the Elite 4 of another region. |
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That way its even genderwise. idk just a thought to make it more interesting rather then predictable and to easy with the regular types |
The games are still in Unova so why not have the player champ really? Also they could simply challenge you like Red did in GSCHgSs, and when the time comes for you to enter the Hall of Fame, the proffesor escorts you like Oak did in Gen I and their remakes.
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If anyone is the most deserving of being the Unova champion, it's Cheren. He has a set personality, and his dream was to be one in B/W. It would make the most sense, especially after 2 years where all of his confusion and commitment to wanting to be the best, could be settled by this. |
I could see Cheren becoming Champion. He came to a pretty good conclusion about what it means to be strong, and after a couple of years he could definitely become a fine trainer indeed.
I would hope that they revamp his team a little, in that case- they'd probably drop the starter and the monkey, so as to avoid a canon starter for the protagonist. Liepard and Unfezant would have to go as well, but he could keep Gigalith and Haxorus. I could see him building a multigenerational team out of the Pokemon available in-game- Arcanine and Absol are definitely things I could see him using. As for the Elite Four, I don't mind if they replace some or all of them, but if I had my way Caitlin would still be there. I've always liked her. |
Wouldn't be strange if GameFreak added an option to transfer the data of your first PKMN League victory and YOU ended up being the Champion for your file in B2/W2?
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I was thinking the same thing though, but the personality would still be a problem, lol. |
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I would love if they changed the league to be like a tournament like the anime and then make the E4 a champion league.
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I didn't mind Alder if I'm honest - he was quite fun. I still want to know more about that Pokémon he lost. D':
I'd love to see if they do further changes like they did in B/W (how you could battle them in any order, and they were all pretty equal in strength) but yeah - maybe more members? There's that competition the fandom really wants too... |
I'm surprised to see so many people dislike Alder.
I always thought he was kinda cool. Maybe i'm weird or something. :( Anyways, I'd love to see a change in the Elite 4 lineup. These kinds of games always get me because I love to see a story continued in a game taking place a couple of years later so you can see things change. I think it would be kinda neat to see one of the rivals from the past games up in the E4, or even perhaps Hilda/Hilbert up in the champion spot. I think that might be a bit cheesy though. It would be better to run into them out in some cool, high-level area. Maybe one of the past Gym Leaders could be bumped up to be in the E4 lineup? It's hard to say what I really want to see in the elite 4, though, as I wouldn't want it to be flooded with people from the past game. Maybe they could include a new character to surprise us/throw us off. |
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Which is why more or less, I'd like for Cheren to be the new champion in the league. |
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Though, I wouldn't mind Cheren, since it was his ambition to become Champion. But then I wouldn't mind Bel in the situation Scarf mentioned either- even if it would lead to chaos in the fandom - and their dislike to Bel. I didn't mind her though. Poop. I forgot about Bel working towards helping Juniper, I could see her being mentioned as off in a different region doing research. Eh /totally off topic |
Cheren would make a good champ, but I just wish they would Acknowledge the player character for once...
I think Alder might be retired by now so maybe his Student Marshall takes lver, while Cheren become one of the E4 if not the champ. |
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I can see Cheren having Pokemon around the same levels Marshall did (if I remember correctly Marshall's Pokemon were slightly higher in level that the other 3). I do wonder how Cheren will decorate his room though...maybe it'll be full of books like a library but that's Shauntel's thing...
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I liked the elite four from B/W but I did not care for the champion, Alder. I guess I would like to see the rival as the champion
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I wouldn't mind if the Rival was the champ, but that would mean that he defeated however was the champ before him, unless Alder left the spot empty, making it like in Red and Blue in which when the Rival defeats the E4 he automatically becomes the champion.
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I don't really want the rival as the champion because Cheren is more deserving for the spot. Though we know nothing about the rival, I wouldn't like him to suddenly be the champion of Unova after defeating Alder, because what about us? We would defeat him too, so why can't we be the champion?? However Alder, he deserves to retire. I mean, he should just go explore the region and have a good time. :P
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Like rocky505 said, Alder is old and must retire. To me, he looks old.
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I'd agree with these guys and say that Cheren should be the new Champion, cos he's my fave rival from the games so far so to see him as Champion would be neat.
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I think Grimsley and Caitlin that are possible to change.
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Well that'd make sense to me, considering how hard he was to beat in B/W, I think he'd suit the champion role perfectly tbh. I also think his team wouldn't need much changing from B/W to be a tough champion >>
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I'm looking forward to seeing Alder retired. Maybe Cherin would make a good champion, he was hard to defeat during the endgame. I hope they add new members to the E4 too, but keep the same battle format. I despise triple battles, and don't really care for double battles. And I like being able to choose who I can battle.
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So I'd like to see a team like this. http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/526.gif http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/612.gif http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/472.gif http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/365.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/212.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/059.gif He has a lot of type coverage and it also spans every gen. Although I might replace Gigalith as well although I like it. Quote:
I'm all for Cheren being the Champ, I'd rather have him there as opposed to the rival. Anyone else have any idea what you would want the Champs team to look like? |
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yeah, I agree, its going to be just the same most likely
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And if he were to get a starter Pokemon based off of which we chose, it'd just feel too much like a rival again. I think Marshal should retire from the Elite Four, though. He was cool and kind and all that jazz, but he seems more like the type of guy who would rather travel than stay in one spot. |
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As for Marshal, why would you want him to retire? :[ He was still Alder's apprentice, and two years later you think he would be a lot stronger and well trained. I could see him as a Frontier Brain though (if there happens to be a Battle Frontier). |
With new gym leaders being introduced, I think it's safe to say it's very possible we could see a slight change in the Elite 4. Maybe not a complete overhaul, but perhaps a previous gym leader could be seen as a new Elite 4 Member much like Koga in GSC / HeartGold and SoulSilver.
Drayden could be that gym leader who takes on an Elite position, while Iris gets complete ownership of the Opelucid Gym. Also, I'll put myself next to those who say Alder should be retired and Cheren should be the next Champion of Unova. After two years, it'd make sense for Alder to have retired so we can get a new Champion, and Cheren just makes the most sense to be his replacement. Cheren's team would need a bit of a revamp though, and as you would expect, we could probably battle Alder at a later point in the game. Some other minor changes I'd like to see are the Elite 4 gaining back five Pokémon on their roster and adjusting their teams so it'll include some of the older Pokémon. ...and I'm not going to lie, but I wouldn't mind if they revert back to a set order in how you battle the Elite. Having each of the members at equal strength just lessened the challenge in my opinion. I liked it better when the next member gradually got stronger as you defeated the one before. Now, if they can do this all the while letting you choose the order of which you battle the Elite, then I think it'll be a win/win situation. Quote:
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It would be nice to see a variation of the E4 from B&W; then it won't feel like they have just been thrown back in. |
@Kaori: Actually he never felt like much of an Elite Four kinda guy. Battle Frontier I could most certainly see him in, but the only reason I though he could be an Elite Four member was only because he was Alder's student. Idk, I just wouldn't mind seeing him out of the Elite Four. Plus, like Aerilyn said, I think if they brought another Battle Facility, some of the current Elite Four members would really be fun to see there.
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Alder needs to go. Didn't care for Marshal, but he or Cheren seem the next obvious in line to be Champion, as much as I would like to see another female champion, I just don't think Bianca's up to the task.
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@ Cheren champion: perhaps he could have three sets of teams created around what your starter was. Why place such a big emphasis on that in B/W yet kinda ditch that in B2W2 in the Elite Four? :x
And... yeah Bianca would not be the smartest champion lool. |
It has only been a couple of years between both games, so I imagine that not much will change. But then again, alot has happened in that time span (freezing of half the region, new towns with new gyms, etc.). If anything I imagine that they will change up some of the elite four like they did with Gold and Silver, but that would kind of mess up the "balance theme" that the Unova elite four was based upon (fighting>dark>ghost>psychic>...), so at best I imagine just a change in the champion if anything. I honestly don't know what to expect, but we will just have to wait and see.
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Well there could always be a "new" balance. Keep some and change it up, like normal > fighting > psychic > dark. Skip one, etc. Orrrrr Flying > Rock > Fighting > Psychic, to keep half of B/W's sorta.
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@ Cheren: Or they could do what they did with Gary/Blue/whatever his name is in the 2nd gen games, and give him the three grass/water/fire Pokemon he uses in lieu of the starter. Of course, the problem with this would be that he'd have two monkeys, but he could replace one with one of the new Pokedex additions.
Don't know who would make a good female Champion, though. However, if a Gym Leader or two were to pull a Koga and get promoted, I would support either Elesa or Clay. Or both. Also hoping Shauntal still has some role in the games if she's no longer in the E4. |
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I don't know, but I like the diversity in an Elite. Somehow I felt like even though each of these Elite members focused on their own typing, it somehow felt all the same. Maybe it's just me? I don't know. |
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^I actually liked that they specialized in the "gloomy" types, it gave them an added intimidation. I've always felt that they (being the previous regions' Elite Four) were just some people without anything other than the title of Elite Four. The Black and White Elite had the title, plus the look and intimidation that I've always thought the other regions needed.
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Well there's the other alternative of the Elite Four being themed to be upbeat rather than type-based and based on an "idea" and the Pokemon relative to it. Like truth/ideals/B2W2's Black Kyurem/B2W2's White Kyurem, so based around those ideas as the four kinda Elites.
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If what you're saying is that the Elite Four Pokémon could be based on the theme of Black Kyurem/White Kyurem, I would rather much prefer for them to stick to typing. The diversity would be good. If we know what types the E4 Pokémon will be based around/connect to, we could all train Pokémon that would be good for them all and have no challenge. At least with diversity, our Pokémon can have both advantages and disadvantages. |
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Electric's badly underrepresented in the Elite Four... I don't recall it showing up once... maybe it's time Elesa got a nice big promotion xD
Grass as well, though they probably would need to come up with a new character if they wanted to go that route. |
I'm pretty excited to see what the League/Champion will be like in these games. I was hugely impressed with how the Elite 4 were implemented in BW, and while two years have passed I'm expecting the system to be close enough to the same.
I know that some Elite 4 types have been repeated, but there was a very good sense of balance in the Elite 4 in BW, and so I'm very curious as to whether Game Freak would be willing to sorta ignore the type-square they made. I'm hopeful they'll change the Elite 4 members (at least one or two of them) but I'm wary of how they plan to do so. As for the Champion, I'm genuinely expecting the likes of Cheren or maybe even Hilbert/Hilda (which are admittedly awful names). BW was full of fan-servicey surprises, so I really think B2W2 won't stray too far from that. |
Since they replaced two gym leaders (as far as we know) like the Kanto gym leaders, perhaps we will see 2 of the shintenno (Elite four) replaced. If so then I'll like to see grass and electric as stated earlier...perhaps the grass e4 is Cilian...how fan servicy is that (well for others)? And Elesa for the electric type...
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I'm thinking Elesa and Brycen become strong enough to be Elite four members. I wonder if Game freak is going to keep the 4 Pokemon thing...
If so; Elesa - Ampharos, Galvantula, Zebstrika, Eelektross Brycen - Cryogonal, Beartic, Weavile, Vanilluxe |
If Elesa was an E4 I'll like for her to have Magnezone, Electross, Ampharos, and Zebstika.
Brycen- Jynx, Beartic, Froslass, and Glalie. |
GameFreak /would/ have to do something with two of the original Gym Leaders if Shizui and Homika are all we are getting. That is, if GF is still going with eight gyms only.
I'd like to see Elesa as an Elite 4 member, since she is popular being a model and all. Even more people in Unova would notice her then. Though she better have a new character design/different clothing or I'm calling this lame. u_u On a side note, why take two Gym Leaders into the league? One could very well be off on a different adventure in their life. |
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Also Elesa would... not be a great elite four member. XD; I'd feel so disappointed to face her! |
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Wow, so much Elesa hate... Not that she's my favorite leader overall (far from it, actually), just my favorite out of the original Unovan bunch. Clay comes in second, and I'd like to see him return too. not sure in what capacity yet... either Gym Leader or Elite Four would work for me, I guess.
I'm still hoping to see (a) a Dark type Gym, and (b) either an Electric type Elite Four or no Electric specialist at all (and if the "chu" family of Pokemon are coming over I just might be rooting for that latter one... that Static ability is one major pain in the... you know). If they do another "multi-path" Gym like Striation was, hopefully it's later in the game so you have some choices for a counter besides the monkey. In White I simply level grinded with Purrloin instead, and that was a chore. |
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I don't think you've figured this out yet, but the "frozen Unova" theory has been debunked thoroughly. So Striaton Gym might still exist, either with a new leader or with only one of the trio as leader. I don't see the trio all still having gym leader duties, since apparently there's a different Water gym leader.
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