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piku April 24th, 2012 7:52 AM

It has only been a couple of years between both games, so I imagine that not much will change. But then again, alot has happened in that time span (freezing of half the region, new towns with new gyms, etc.). If anything I imagine that they will change up some of the elite four like they did with Gold and Silver, but that would kind of mess up the "balance theme" that the Unova elite four was based upon (fighting>dark>ghost>psychic>...), so at best I imagine just a change in the champion if anything. I honestly don't know what to expect, but we will just have to wait and see.

Ho-Oh April 24th, 2012 8:52 AM

Well there could always be a "new" balance. Keep some and change it up, like normal > fighting > psychic > dark. Skip one, etc. Orrrrr Flying > Rock > Fighting > Psychic, to keep half of B/W's sorta.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ April 24th, 2012 10:44 AM

@ Cheren: Or they could do what they did with Gary/Blue/whatever his name is in the 2nd gen games, and give him the three grass/water/fire Pokemon he uses in lieu of the starter. Of course, the problem with this would be that he'd have two monkeys, but he could replace one with one of the new Pokedex additions.

Don't know who would make a good female Champion, though. However, if a Gym Leader or two were to pull a Koga and get promoted, I would support either Elesa or Clay. Or both.

Also hoping Shauntal still has some role in the games if she's no longer in the E4.

Guy April 24th, 2012 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7147196)
Well there could always be a "new" balance. Keep some and change it up, like normal > fighting > psychic > dark. Skip one, etc. Orrrrr Flying > Rock > Fighting > Psychic, to keep half of B/W's sorta.

Even though I'm not expecting much of an overhaul with the Elite, one thing I'd really hope for is that the "new" balance they introduced in Black and White were to be removed. I actually preferred it when the Elite specified in specific types, but they never had a balance to once another. They were just random types.

I don't know, but I like the diversity in an Elite. Somehow I felt like even though each of these Elite members focused on their own typing, it somehow felt all the same. Maybe it's just me? I don't know.

Zelda April 24th, 2012 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7147528)

Even though I'm not expecting much of an overhaul with the Elite, one thing I'd really hope for is that the "new" balance they introduced in Black and White were to be removed. I actually preferred it when the Elite specified in specific types, but they never had a balance to once another. They were just random types.

I don't know, but I like the diversity in an Elite. Somehow I felt like even though each of these Elite members focused on their own typing, it somehow felt all the same. Maybe it's just me? I don't know.

I agree! None of the Elite Members had great diversity at all. Plus 3 of the Elites were in the dark/psychic/ghost area. I felt like this made the excitement of challenging the Elite Four more gloomy than anything. They didn't really have me pumped, and I hope that the diversity in the Elite Four is much better within these sequels. u_u

Jellicent♀ April 24th, 2012 2:02 PM

^I actually liked that they specialized in the "gloomy" types, it gave them an added intimidation. I've always felt that they (being the previous regions' Elite Four) were just some people without anything other than the title of Elite Four. The Black and White Elite had the title, plus the look and intimidation that I've always thought the other regions needed.

Ho-Oh April 25th, 2012 6:15 AM

Well there's the other alternative of the Elite Four being themed to be upbeat rather than type-based and based on an "idea" and the Pokemon relative to it. Like truth/ideals/B2W2's Black Kyurem/B2W2's White Kyurem, so based around those ideas as the four kinda Elites.

Zelda April 25th, 2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7148466)
Well there's the other alternative of the Elite Four being themed to be upbeat rather than type-based and based on an "idea" and the Pokemon relative to it. Like truth/ideals/B2W2's Black Kyurem/B2W2's White Kyurem, so based around those ideas as the four kinda Elites.

...What?

If what you're saying is that the Elite Four Pokémon could be based on the theme of Black Kyurem/White Kyurem, I would rather much prefer for them to stick to typing. The diversity would be good. If we know what types the E4 Pokémon will be based around/connect to, we could all train Pokémon that would be good for them all and have no challenge. At least with diversity, our Pokémon can have both advantages and disadvantages.

Xatumi April 25th, 2012 7:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenGoblin (Post 7087040)
Dryden and Iris in a double battle, the Triplets in a triple battle and harder gym puzzles
and possibly stronger elite 4's

Exactly what I was thinking. But in the anime Chilie talked about branching off and creating the first fire type gym in unova, so that might play a part. As for the elite four, i hope they play dual typing for elite fours. Something tougher.

Ho-Oh April 25th, 2012 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7148716)

...What?

If what you're saying is that the Elite Four Pokémon could be based on the theme of Black Kyurem/White Kyurem, I would rather much prefer for them to stick to typing. The diversity would be good. If we know what types the E4 Pokémon will be based around/connect to, we could all train Pokémon that would be good for them all and have no challenge. At least with diversity, our Pokémon can have both advantages and disadvantages.

Nono, truth/ideals and whatever BK and WK's "thing" is. XD; Not based around the Pokemon, but each team is set to a type and kinda conveys that. Might be interesting to change up what we've had in B/W to actually have a meaning behind the Pokemon chosen. Not sure how they'd do that, though.

piku April 26th, 2012 5:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7147528)


I don't know, but I like the diversity in an Elite. Somehow I felt like even though each of these Elite members focused on their own typing, it somehow felt all the same. Maybe it's just me? I don't know.

Agreed. I actually liked how they brought in new types in Gen IV. Every other elite four involves pretty much the same types: Psychic, Dark, Dragon, Ice, Ghost, Fighting. Each of these have been used at least twice, and it is getting kind of dull (so I was not particularly fond of the "balance" theme). Bring in an elite four with color.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ April 27th, 2012 6:45 AM

Electric's badly underrepresented in the Elite Four... I don't recall it showing up once... maybe it's time Elesa got a nice big promotion xD

Grass as well, though they probably would need to come up with a new character if they wanted to go that route.

giradialkia April 27th, 2012 11:15 AM

I'm pretty excited to see what the League/Champion will be like in these games. I was hugely impressed with how the Elite 4 were implemented in BW, and while two years have passed I'm expecting the system to be close enough to the same.
I know that some Elite 4 types have been repeated, but there was a very good sense of balance in the Elite 4 in BW, and so I'm very curious as to whether Game Freak would be willing to sorta ignore the type-square they made. I'm hopeful they'll change the Elite 4 members (at least one or two of them) but I'm wary of how they plan to do so.

As for the Champion, I'm genuinely expecting the likes of Cheren or maybe even Hilbert/Hilda (which are admittedly awful names). BW was full of fan-servicey surprises, so I really think B2W2 won't stray too far from that.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 27th, 2012 4:51 PM

Since they replaced two gym leaders (as far as we know) like the Kanto gym leaders, perhaps we will see 2 of the shintenno (Elite four) replaced. If so then I'll like to see grass and electric as stated earlier...perhaps the grass e4 is Cilian...how fan servicy is that (well for others)? And Elesa for the electric type...

★Midnight★ April 27th, 2012 5:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 7085619)
So do you think we'll be getting new members of the Elite 4? A new Champion? Will they be characters we've seen before or entirely new ones? Will be finally get the tournament style Pokemon League in the games that some of us wanted?

I highly think the Pokemon League, Elite Four and the Champion will change, or even be located somewhere else. The reason? The ice is covering some parts of the Unova region. The ice also affects the change of the gyms in Nacrene and Striaton city. So probably, new characters will take place of the Elite Four and the Champion...Or...they'd just move where ever else the League will be located.

kevcrash April 27th, 2012 5:21 PM

I'm thinking Elesa and Brycen become strong enough to be Elite four members. I wonder if Game freak is going to keep the 4 Pokemon thing...

If so;
Elesa - Ampharos, Galvantula, Zebstrika, Eelektross
Brycen - Cryogonal, Beartic, Weavile, Vanilluxe

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 28th, 2012 4:05 AM

If Elesa was an E4 I'll like for her to have Magnezone, Electross, Ampharos, and Zebstika.
Brycen- Jynx, Beartic, Froslass, and Glalie.

Zelda April 28th, 2012 5:35 AM

GameFreak /would/ have to do something with two of the original Gym Leaders if Shizui and Homika are all we are getting. That is, if GF is still going with eight gyms only.

I'd like to see Elesa as an Elite 4 member, since she is popular being a model and all. Even more people in Unova would notice her then. Though she better have a new character design/different clothing or I'm calling this lame. u_u

On a side note, why take two Gym Leaders into the league? One could very well be off on a different adventure in their life.

★Midnight★ April 28th, 2012 5:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7152299)
GameFreak /would/ have to do something with two of the original Gym Leaders if Shizui and Homika are all we are getting. That is, if GF is still going with eight gyms only.

I'd like to see Elesa as an Elite 4 member, since she is popular being a model and all. Even more people in Unova would notice her then. She better have a new character design/different clothing or I'm calling lame. u_u Though why take two Gym Leaders into the E4? One could very well be off on a different adventure in their life.

As I said before, the Striaton and Nacrene city gyms will probably change and be located elsewhere because of the ice covering those areas. So yeah, Shizui and Homika will fill in, I guess. Same goes for the Pokemon League. It will probably get moved, get new people to fill the spots...or...go with the same Elite Four and the Champion.

Ho-Oh April 28th, 2012 6:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ★Midnight★ (Post 7151614)
I highly think the Pokemon League, Elite Four and the Champion will change, or even be located somewhere else. The reason? The ice is covering some parts of the Unova region. The ice also affects the change of the gyms in Nacrene and Striaton city. So probably, new characters will take place of the Elite Four and the Champion...Or...they'd just move where ever else the League will be located.

Yeah I agree about the location, while the old location in Black/White was nice, I'd rather if they changed to somewhere new, but kept the same "choose your fight" type thing. :3

Also Elesa would... not be a great elite four member. XD; I'd feel so disappointed to face her!

★Midnight★ April 28th, 2012 6:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7152333)


Yeah I agree about the location, while the old location in Black/White was nice, I'd rather if they changed to somewhere new, but kept the same "choose your fight" type thing. :3

Also Elesa would... not be a great elite four member. XD; I'd feel so disappointed to face her!

I wouldn't want to battle Elesa either... even though it wouldn't probably happen because Gamefreak will either change the Elite Four and the Champion completely (no gym leaders) or just let it the same...xD

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ April 28th, 2012 10:56 AM

Wow, so much Elesa hate... Not that she's my favorite leader overall (far from it, actually), just my favorite out of the original Unovan bunch. Clay comes in second, and I'd like to see him return too. not sure in what capacity yet... either Gym Leader or Elite Four would work for me, I guess.

I'm still hoping to see (a) a Dark type Gym, and (b) either an Electric type Elite Four or no Electric specialist at all (and if the "chu" family of Pokemon are coming over I just might be rooting for that latter one... that Static ability is one major pain in the... you know).

If they do another "multi-path" Gym like Striation was, hopefully it's later in the game so you have some choices for a counter besides the monkey. In White I simply level grinded with Purrloin instead, and that was a chore.

★Midnight★ April 28th, 2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Elite Overlord LeSabre™ (Post 7152730)
Wow, so much Elesa hate... Not that she's my favorite leader overall (far from it, actually), just my favorite out of the original Unovan bunch. Clay comes in second, and I'd like to see him return too. not sure in what capacity yet... either Gym Leader or Elite Four would work for me, I guess.

I'm still hoping to see (a) a Dark type Gym, and (b) either an Electric type Elite Four or no Electric specialist at all (and if the "chu" family of Pokemon are coming over I just might be rooting for that latter one... that Static ability is one major pain in the... you know).

If they do another "multi-path" Gym like Striation was, hopefully it's later in the game so you have some choices for a counter besides the monkey. In White I simply level grinded with Purrloin instead, and that was a chore.

I don't hate Elesa, she's even my 2nd favourite gym leader, I just don't really want to have a re-match with one of the gyms again. (Or Elite Four)

bwburke94 April 28th, 2012 5:00 PM

I don't think you've figured this out yet, but the "frozen Unova" theory has been debunked thoroughly. So Striaton Gym might still exist, either with a new leader or with only one of the trio as leader. I don't see the trio all still having gym leader duties, since apparently there's a different Water gym leader.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ April 29th, 2012 6:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 7153288)
I don't think you've figured this out yet, but the "frozen Unova" theory has been debunked thoroughly. So Striaton Gym might still exist, either with a new leader or with only one of the trio as leader. I don't see the trio all still having gym leader duties, since apparently there's a different Water gym leader.

No, I am quite well aware of that fact, thank you very much. I'm not stupid. However, the tri-type "choice" gym concept could very easily be moved to another gym that you encounter later in the game. It's an interesting concept that was not that well executed in B/W since your choices for beating the gym were rather limited. I'd like to see it implemented later in the game where you have more options of Pokemon to use.


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