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Where did Legendary Pokemon come from?
Legendary Pokemon, in the Pokemon world, are supposed to be super rare, almost never seen phenomenons. So, where exactly did they come from? In the anime, sometimes there might be a few separate versions of the same legendary, but that's pretty much it. So, I got to thinking.... maybe Legendary Pokemon are special evolutions of other Pokemon?
There are all kinds of weird requirements for certain Pokemon, like leveling at a certain time of day, or when their moods are right, or in a certain place, or holding a certain item, you guys already know that, but what if certain Pokemon had such bizarre evolution conditions that the fact that they were even met was a miracle? Like being traded for this specific pokemon, while both are holding this special item, while eating a special berry, at 5:00 pm on April 28th of leapyear. And think about it: Isn't it weird that most Pokemon evolve twice, while other evolve only once if at all? and some even need to be out of their natural habitat to evolve? SO! I want to make this thread for three reasons. ONE: Ask what you think about this theory. TWO: What Pokemon could have, if I'm right, evolved into which Legendary? THREE: What types of unlikely conditions do you think were required? I'll post just a couple I think could have happened. Fearow leveling in Chargestone Cave/Fiery Path/Icy Path turning into Zapdos/Moltres/Articuno (Fearow kinda looks weird, but its body kind of matches the birds, especially the beak (two out of three, at least)) Ditto leveling after holding the forms of many different Psychic types turning into Mew (Same colors, both normal and shiny, both having the ability to use any moves) |
I thinkt hat they were born like normal Pokemon, but their strenght made them enter in legends and to escape humans trying to catch them they fled.
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Maybe, but then are they the only pokemon in their evolutionary line? What did they start out as? What was the first pokemon that became so badass that it became "Legendary"?
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I feel like Legendary Pokemon were just made that way. A niche was to be filled as "guardians" of whatever sector they happen to rule and Arceus just made them as such. For example, Groudon and Kyogre were created to make Land and Sea while Regigigas was made to shape the Land. Rayquaza guards the sky and the ozone layer, and also serves as a mediator for the former Pokemon. Ho-Oh... not too keen on origins, but the dog trio was clearly identified and created.
Mew, on the other hand, was said to have been a part of a more populace species. Where they went is anyone's guess, but they probably were the father of all Pokemon since both the games and the anime suggest that Mew contains all the genetic material of all Pokemon. Mewtwo, obviously, was created as a stronger counterpart to Mew. [email protected] were said to be part of a herd, and so the theory also points to that Legendary Pokemon were simply made that way and adapted to become stronger, possibly. So no Pokemon will evolve into a Legendary. Not even Phiony evolves into Manaphy, yet that's what comes out of a Manaphy egg. That's changing species to something else, not what they are. That's like saying a Charizard can evolve into a Blaziken if the conditions are right. And Fearow looks similar to the bird trio simply because it's a bird. |
If Pokemon Snap counts for anything, it's said that the legendary birds were born from eggs, without the need for evolutons or pre-evolutions. Arceus's and the lake trio's pokedex entries suggest that they were born from eggs too in the same manner. A theory could be that it possible is: legendaries are born like regular Pokemon, only that they are special in many ways. Some are born from nature, and others are born by means that should be kept mystery. As to the theory of regular Pokemon ascending to legendary status, that's only accountable for growlithe, and even then it's not an official legendary Pokemon; only by pokedex.
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Except for a few exceptions, I'd say Arceus created Legendaries to "keep the peace", to "create balance", and to "be rulers" or "govern" the pokemon world. I do disagree with special evolution theory you have, though I won't lie: it's original and a provoking thought...
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I'd go with the post above me ^. It's pretty much it. Just think of it as arceus as god and the legendaries as the angels :). This is how it works out
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Course that's just me. And from the way I see it, most of the Legendaries aren't guardians of anything anyway, they just fight in huge epic battles for no reason, for petty reasons, for territory (Which I guess they COULD be guarding), or sometimes just because they happen to cross paths. And if you ignore that, if they ARE guardians, then what are they doing coming with you when you catch them? They are abandoning everything they were guarding to live in a box on your computer. Not just in the games, there are anime legendaries that are caught too; did they ALL leave their position as guardians behind as well? Also, what about pokemon games that let you catch the same pokemon in different places? Like Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Ho-oh, Lugia, The three dogs, Latios, Latias, etc. Are those all second versions of the legendary seen before (Because each game literally thrusts them into your face to catch, implying you catching them is what's supposed to happen), or does each game stand alone? Which can't be true, because people like Cynthia, Caitlin, and the entire second half of gsc/hgss say otherwise. What's going on here, Legendaries? Quote:
And no, I'm not saying their similar because their birds. Fearow has the most similar body structure and beak out of anyone when compared to those three. If I said Swellos, or Mandibuzz, then that'd just be because they are birds. Quote:
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I think it helps to view each individual game as an alternate universe. (This would be the best way to see Pokemon, since there should only be 1 Mewtwo, yet you can obviously battle other trainers through wi-fi that also have a Mewtwo.) Quote:
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You mention anime legendaries caught. However, you didn't notice that the legendaries caught aren't the ones destined to control the world, or something along those lines. For example, no one caught a Giratina. There's the problem of actually getting to it since it rules the reverse world, and the fact that it's big and you probably won't even dent it. There was the Darkrai and Latios that Tobias used, and that almost makes sense. Except, why had had them in the first place, but that's a different discussion. Darkrai isn't some major entity that can devastate the world because it got captured. Its powers are strong, sure, but it's not destroy-the-world powerful. Also, Latios was said to have been a herd Pokemon. I'm getting that from the PokeDex entry, so obviously, its power on the balance of the universe is a lot less significant than, say, Arceus. [email protected] don't have a real position in the fabric of the world. They're a lot like Mew, Celebi, etc. They were said to have been numerous, but now borderline close to extinction and people barely believe in them. Even people in Alto Mare (in the anime) barely believed in them, until they saved the place. Some legendary Pokemon don't have that role, of guarding something powerful or protecting whatever. Some legendary Pokemon are legendary because they're like a myth, a dream, or an illusion. Quote:
A few legendary Pokemon aren't guardians though. They're moreover just legends, like a tall tale. Kyogre created the sea, so there's the fact that the sea is already there, so it's not needed anymore. So it just went to sleep or sometimes hopped around and saved Manaphy. Groudon is the same and it rests in eternal slumber and Regigigas is right up in his alley. Quote:
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This is the logic I'm abiding by to come to the conclusion that it MAY be POSSIBLE that Legendaries evolve or have previous forms, if you wanted to know: ONE: Pokemon evolve. TWO: Knowledge of Pokemon is ever expanding, frequently providing new evolutions to old Pokemon. THREE: Pokemon often have unusual evolution requisites that aren't found for years. FOUR: The more a Pokemon is studied, the more is discovered about it. FIVE: Most Pokemon evolve at some point, somewhere. SIX: Legendary Pokemon aren't very well known, and most people have never seen them. SEVEN: Because they aren't well known, people tend to make folklore about them. Quote:
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It is possible that the Legendaries are just strong, but ordinary Pokémon.
However, that would be boring and suck. It's more fun for them to be demigods created by Arceus*, and the games suggest that this may be the case, and therefore I choose to believe it. Besides, if you look at the Pokédex entries, many of the Legendaries seem to embody forces of nature. Zapdos** is storms, Kyogre is the ocean, et cetera. *Excepting Mewtwo, the Lions, and any other Legendaries that explicitly have different backstories. **Zapdos is based on the mythical thunderbird. That's pretty explicit. |
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But most legendaries, you have to go out and capture them. [email protected] are roamers, just as the dog trio, and the bird trio in a few games, so you have to go out and find them. A lot of legendaries aren't even needed for their game's plot, so their capture is entirely optional. You don't need to catch Zapdos before you challenge the Elite Four in the Kanto games. So from the ones that you have to encounter, it's mainly driven by the game's plot. Quote:
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The same kind of goes with the other less significant legendary Pokemon. Their legendary status aren't based on them being a guardian, but kind of like above, as they aren't believed or completely established as Pokemon since too few people have physically seen them, and those who do don't believe them. They're simply rare, except beyond rare. They're like uber rare. So the possibility of seeing more is likely, even though it's extremely slim, like winning the lottery ten times in your life. Quote:
I'm actually not sure on the dog trio, since they just happen to do things. They're legendary because there is actually only one, and that's Ho-Oh's job. It resurrected them as more awesome Pokemon after three dog-like Pokemon died in the tower fire. However, an ordinary Pokemon wouldn't always try to save its fellows. Pokemon have personality too, I presume. Quote:
There's also the Jirachi movie with Groudon. God, what's with Jirachi and making Hoenn legends. Anyway, it's in the anime and a guy uses Jirachi to create some really big and fake Groudon. Team Magma funded him and all, and they wondered why they should bother waiting with him when they could just go out and search for that one Groudon. The creation from the wish was some big fake Groudon or whatever. It didn't work. I think the orbs are really the big clue about how there's only one of those legendary Pokemon. First, there's the stupid legend about them and we can pretty much assume that the legends are pretty accurate. They're pretty accurate in other contexts of the game, mainly Sinnoh since there are a lot of myths there, so we can assume the Hoenn creation myth as canon. The orbs wouldn't exist unless they controlled something or awaken something, since that was their purpose. In the games, they appear in the Cave of Origin, implying there to only be one. It's the same with Rayquaza, except it's Sky Pillar. The Pokemon are all at rest, etc. Quote:
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Arceus fits the part of "god" much better than Mew would. Yes, Mew can learn every move, but that might just be what makes it unique in the Pokemon world, its "talent". Mew's and Arceus's legends somewhat contradict each other, with Mew being the ancestor of all Pokemon, yet Arceus supposedly created the world. Personally, I find it very hard to believe that Mew gave birth to Arceus using any form of logic. Now, in-game, I know that in Gen. 4 and 5 that the Legendary Pokemon only reveal themselves to trainers that they deem worthy of capturing them. This has also been the case a few times in the anime as well. Again using Arceus, even though it is supposed to be the god Pokemon, if it were to deem you worthy of its power, would that mean it was a "slave" to a human? "Slave" implies the misuse of a Pokemon for evil intentions, as most Pokemon willingly battle for their trainers. And in the games, we all play as good trainers and as a hero with a certain quality that the Legendary Pokemon seem to admire. Quote:
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TWO: The previous generation offered no such pre-evolved form or further evolved form of any of the previous 493 Pokemon. THREE: Which is odd considering Prof. Oak is supposed to be one of the most intelligent scientists in the Pokemon World, yet he originally claimed that there were only around 150 Pokemon. While he said there was the possibility that there could be more, I doubt that several years ago he would have suggested that there were nearly 500 more. FOUR: True, but that doesn't always hint towards evolution. FIVE: Most, yes. But again, since the creation of Pokemon, Legendary Pokemon do not evolve. SIX: Which is part of the mystery of Legendary Pokemon and one of the factors that makes a Pokemon "legendary". SEVEN: And some don't think they even exist. I would just like to remind you of something. Why are 100+ Pokemon discovered every 4 or 5 years? Because Game Freak wanted them to be! In the end, that is the only reality that is certain. It makes no sense that Prof. Oak wouldn't know about an entire continent like Hoenn, Sinnoh, or Unova from the beginning. These games aren't always going to make logical sense. I once tried to breed a Snorlax and a Ditto to get a Munchlax. I got an egg, but it hatched into a Snorlax! If Munchlax is the pre-evolved form, why did I get its evolved form from my egg? Doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense at all that a male or female Pokemon can breed with a genderless Ditto.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=zidiane;7093729]Dialga can manipulate time, and I may be wrong cause I haven't seen the movies, but I don't think he's the embodiment of time. Meaning, he is not the physical manifestation of time that keeps it moving. I think he can stop time, move it forward or backwards, and some other stuff, but taking him out wouldn't make time stop. Again, there's logic to everything. Mine may be wrong, but that doesn't mean this game doesn't abide by logic of some sort." Maybe it isn't the embodiment of time, but you suggested that catching it would interfere with its duties to keep time regulated. However, legends suggest the Dialga IS the embodiment of time, which adds to the speculation about it. Quote:
Maybe the other Legends are just strong Pokemon, however, would you consider time travel normal? If you were to, then Celebi is a totally normal Pokemon. I think you may be trying to force something that isn't there with these theories of Legendary evolution. It has never been suggested anywhere that a Legendary Pokemon has evolved or will evolve. Also, Legendary Pokemon are MEANT to be mysterious. Regardless of game logic, Game Freak made them that way for a reason. They are our Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, Yeti, Chupacabra, and any other mythical creature you can name. Quote:
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Legendary Pokemon are supposed to be mysterious, even more so than regular Pokemon. If we take that away from them, they don't seem that interesting anymore. |
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