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Nolafus September 9th, 2014 7:38 PM

Dude, that sounds like a nightmare to play against.

Just... ew

Selly Jr September 10th, 2014 2:25 AM

It isn't really, an AP Tryndamere needs at least 200-300 AP to start being effective. That is why the dorans blade is a necessary starting item on him, because early game, low ap on the heal is not going to sustain you anywhere near enough. But a few crits will heal you somewhat nicely.

I'm still working on a few build paths for him, but what I can say for certain is Hourglass, Deathcap and CDR Boots are a must. I've been toying around with items like Nashors Tooth, Hextech Gunblade, they're good, but I never know when to get them. I still need to try Lich bane on him for the move speed and the additional burst. You can pretty one shot a creep wave with spinning slash once ou get hourglass and a NLR, and you are still a split pushing machine. Not to mention tower diving becomes significantly safer, spinning slash generates more fury for each enemy you hit with it, and your ultimate will give ou 75 fury instantly so if you can't kill them during the dive after your ult runs out, you can either heal, or use zhonyas to buy more time. I think he's more about stalling for time if anything

KingRin September 10th, 2014 2:54 AM

Order of the Lotus Karma
New Karma skin
975RP


New Viktor splash


There's also some other new stuff about Soraka reword I think and other cool stuff
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/09/99-pbe-update.html

Lusus September 10th, 2014 11:38 AM

So i tried the new game mode.

REALLY BORING

It's pretty much dominion with a few changes that makes champs like Kat (which you will see every game of this game mdoe) broken.

Squirrel September 11th, 2014 5:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Roaming Murkrow (Post 8432594)
So i tried the new game mode.

REALLY BORING

It's pretty much dominion with a few changes that makes champs like Kat (which you will see every game of this game mdoe) broken.

Oh wow, really? I found it incredibly fun! It's so fast paced and intense with people dying all over the place and it's a really nice change from the standard slow SR games. I must admit it seems to drag on a tad too long, a game mode focussed on being so fast paced shouldn't last for nearly as long as these games seem to, but on the whole I'm really enjoying it. Not sure how much I'll be playing it due to time constraints but I'm having a lot of fun testing which champs shine out. So far I've found that Akali and Katarina are instaban worthy, Udyr is a huuuuge pain to kill, Volibear is fun as heck to play, and Jayce is surprisingly OP - still a lot left to test though!

Which champs have you guys been trying out and do you like the new game mode?

Lusus September 12th, 2014 5:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirrel (Post 8434281)
Oh wow, really? I found it incredibly fun! It's so fast paced and intense with people dying all over the place and it's a really nice change from the standard slow SR games.
You mean just like normal Dominion?

I must admit it seems to drag on a tad too long, a game mode focussed on being so fast paced shouldn't last for nearly as long as these games seem to, but on the whole I'm really enjoying it. Not sure how much I'll be playing it due to time constraints but I'm having a lot of fun testing which champs shine out. So far I've found that Akali and Katarina are instaban worthy, Udyr is a huuuuge pain to kill, Volibear is fun as heck to play, and Jayce is surprisingly OP - still a lot left to test though!

Which champs have you guys been trying out and do you like the new game mode?

I don't like the game mode at all. If somebody picks Teemo, Akali, Nidalee, Katarina, Kennen, Fiddlestick, Heimer, Yasuo or Yi and is even decently good at them, it's instawin for them. The major problem of this gamemode is that it's impossible to stop champions from being absurdly strong because everybody is always at the same level and has the same amount of gold as everybody else. The only way you have a chance against teamfight or hyper carry champions is too pick them yourself, then pray to good your team knows how to play them better than the enemy team. If the said hyper carry/teamfight champion asecends and the enemy team knows teamwork, it's again an instawin.

Also early Xerath rush = free win
Not only is he super easy to kill early on(you can kill with only 2 champions so just kill it while enemy team is fighting the rest of your team), he gives you more than 100 AD and AP, reduces your cooldowns by 35% and your spells cost nothing. That's a HUGE advantage especially since other people have only 2 items at start. If a champion like Poppy that is usually gated by high mana costs and weak stats without items ascends really early, then it's GG.

Can't wait for the Nid nerfs next patch though, can't wait to not walk into lane, be hit by 1 spear then be one shotted by her cougar Q after she pounces on me.

Selly Jr September 12th, 2014 5:24 AM

or you could do what I do and just use stealth to sneak objectives.

Squirrel September 12th, 2014 5:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Roaming Murkrow (Post 8434617)
Can't wait for the Nid nerfs next patch though, can't wait to not walk into lane, be hit by 1 spear then be one shotted by her cougar Q after she pounces on me.

Oh god tell me about it. I mained top lane for the longest time but in the recent meta it's just been so frustrating to play, champions like Gragas, Nidalee and Maokai have been taking over with such little chance for counterplay and such effortless lane dominance, it's really made top lane a rock-paper-scissors kind of game. Gragas and Maokai have already been hit nicely (and the latter is being hit even more), so it's about time Nidalee had the same fate.

Lusus September 12th, 2014 6:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Selly Jr (Post 8434625)
or you could do what I do and just use stealth to sneak objectives.

Twitch on enemy team tried to do that last game. Sadly 3 points for each rune did not give his team enough points to beat our 4 points every teamfight, possibly more if the ascended got kills, and 5 points everytime we killed Xerath. Also it's really easy to just fight around a point so he can't sneak take it.
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Originally Posted by Squirrel (Post 8434627)
Oh god tell me about it. I mained top lane for the longest time but in the recent meta it's just been so frustrating to play, champions like Gragas, Nidalee and Maokai have been taking over with such little chance for counterplay and such effortless lane dominance, it's really made top lane a rock-paper-scissors kind of game. Gragas and Maokai have already been hit nicely (and the latter is being hit even more), so it's about time Nidalee had the same fate.

The problem with Nidalee is that while Gragas and Maokai have atleast a small amount of counterplay (Gragas skills can be dodged, Maokai can mana starve), Nidalee just needs to be level 2, hit a spammable spear and then proceed to gapclose and kill you, with her low cd gapcloser, tankiness and damge there is nothing you can do. Not to mention she has a pretty good heal in her kit, so don't bother trading with her, and she has 0 mana issues at all.

Talon September 12th, 2014 7:25 PM

I've found that Riven is actually really good for this gamemode. If she gets ascended, then well.... uhhh.. you can try to kill her, I guess. She'll just rqaawaaqaaqaaeaar you're whole team at once and kinda get a penta. Rengar is decent, due to his stupidly strong heal and insane q. His bolas get pretty crazy too. If you thought that instagib Rango on SR was stupid, in this, oh my god..... If you get caught ought alone by him when he's ascended, you lose. If the ascended gets caught ought by him, Xerath is respwaning. He can sneak around the map and kill everything and take all the objectives. He's just a really good champ to use. Those are the main two I've been using.

I've found that Aatrox is a very dominate top laner. Went against a Teemo, only lost because he got ganks and I didn't. Even then, I pushed him to inhibitor, but he did the same to me. All in laning phase. Then I started roaming, ended up doing pretty well, but still lost game because one Aatrox can only carry bad teams so much -.- Honestly, I love playing with people I can communicate with, like over skype, because it just makes the game so much easier to play. Communication, Teamwork, Pings, and Wards. They win games.

I still don't see how people can actually try as hard as they can, and still get into b5. How do you do that bad when actually playing? I should be in gold, but I can't carry bad teams. Same with my friend, we're both gold level players, but we can't carry silvers hard enough. I'm in s5 because of it, on the verge of going into b1. I need to play with someone to help me get back up into s3 and s2 where people aren't as bad, and I don't have to carry as much. Honestly, I go negative almost every game, but I take the dragons, turrets, barons, etc. etc. I end with most farm, highest level, most kills, but most deaths. I have to gank 24/7 to make sure lanes don't lose. I can't do enough to carry these teams.


I was in a game not too long ago, and in chat someone said "I hate Rengar mains." and I simply had to reply with "And we hate you over arrogant, insolent, dick-weed adc mains. Get off your lazy ass and win lane by yourself. Don't blame me if you lose lane. I can't carry your ass to a victory with Rengar. I ain't no hyper carry. You have to carry yourself. You adcs say "ADC IS SO HARD. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW.", junglers know. We play the hardest role. ADC isn't that hard. Mechanically it's pretty hard, but the rest is common knowledge. Jungling however, you have some champions that are super easy hyper carries, some that are instagib lane dominaters, and some that simply tank all the damage for you. Some junglers are hard to play, some are easy. Let me ask you a question about jungling, see if you can answer correctly: What camps do you smite, and which do you not smite?"
Of course, that was all split up into a bunch of littler message, because character limit, but he answered me with: "Whenever you can. Smite to kill all the big monsters in camps. Everyone knows that."
Me: "Every coherent jungler knows that you only smite Blue, Wight, and Red. Never smite wolves, not worth the 40 seconds. Same with wraiths. And golems."
ADC: "Jungling isn't hard. You don't have another champion to lane against."
Me: "Nope. I go against everyone at once."
ADC: "Why do junglers always miss smites? You all suck."
Me: "**** happens bruh, people miss smites. It happens. You know, if we are trying to take baron, and the enemies come up, and their jungler is a higher level than me, his smite does more than mine."
ADC: "If I lose lane, it's junglers fault. Not enough ganks."
Me: "Look man, I'll gank for you, but you shouldn't need my ganks to win lane."
ADC: "If they get ganks and we don't then...."
Me: "They don't need them either, they just get them because their pussies."
ADC: "You're using one of the easiest champs in game. You can't say **** about adcs."
Me: "RENGAR? EASY? WTF"
ADC: "QWE Dead."
Me: "lolnope"
ADC: "Yes it is. That's how you kill someone with him."
Me: "lolnope."
"More like RQ(Emp)WTiamatEQQ(Emp)"
ADC: "What the **** does that even mean."
Me: "I quit."

Later that game.....
*KItty kat is bush, awaiting a victim, while ganking for dick head adc"
*Rengar leaps enemy from bush. Gets kill"
ADC: "Why did you waste ult on that?"
Me: "I didn't?"
ADC: "Yes you did, you leaped them."
Me: "Why do I gank for you in the first place?"
ADC: "Because it's your job."
Me: "Look at mid, been ganked by enemies by 6 times now, and STILL winning lane. Why can't you do that?"
ADC: "Because I'm ranged."
Me: "Right, because Malz isn't ranged."
ADC: "He's melee."
Me: "I'm done."

I just ignored him the rest of game after that. That was ****ing stupid. We lost. I went 19/4/12. Full build. Took like 5 turrets that game. 4 dragons with team, 3 solo. I hate teammates. So much.

Selly Jr September 13th, 2014 3:24 AM

If healing wasn't halved, AP Tryndamere would be an absolute terror

Nolafus September 13th, 2014 11:52 AM

I've been playing a lot of Galio recently. In all honestly, I don't know why I don't see him very much. In fact, I have yet to see someone else play him. Maybe it's because people try to play middle lane with him, but the problem with that is that Galio has no lane presence whatsoever. So, I've been using him as a support. With a good poke, a shield, an escape/chase, and an ult that's amazing for wearing down your opponents during team fights, I've been doing pretty well. I've gotten double digits assists every single game, and I've even had a killing spree on a couple of those.

But seriously, supports take so much flak. If the ADC jumps out of range of your spells right in the middle of the enemy, it's all of a sudden your fault they died. I can't shield you if you jump all the way over there, so don't give me crap about how I can't support. My job is to keep you alive, but only if you play smart. We can go and push the enemy champions, but please don't jump out of range or do it when I'm really low on mana. I might be getting better, but I'm no miracle worker.

Jungling and support would be a lot more fun if they didn't get constant crap from your own team.

Selly Jr September 14th, 2014 3:35 AM

I mained Galio in season 2, and he's still a comfort pick for me from time to time. If they sped up his q projectile speed even a tiny bit he'd be a much better champion. I like to build him somewhat tanky, like rod of ages, rylais, hourglass, abyssal, stuff that makes him last a long time in a fight.

Bidoof FTW September 15th, 2014 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rengar (Post 8435323)
Me: "Every coherent jungler knows that you only smite Blue, Wight, and Red. Never smite wolves, not worth the 40 seconds. Same with wraiths. And golems."

As a jungle main reading this really bothered me :(

Fun Fact: Jungle mains in diamond and plat will smite wolves, wraiths, or golems and do it often. Although it is recommended that you smite the buffs/wight if you only use smite on those camps you are not being as efficient as you possibly can as a jungler.

Example: Smite is up while you take the little golems at bot lane. You smite the large one and move onto wolves/wraiths (whichever is up or whichever you prefer) and don't smite it. You then take wight camp and smite it, then gank top.

Buffs spawn every 5 minutes. Wight respawn time is 50 seconds, and Smite cooldown is 40 seconds. This is too long of a wait and inconvenience to constantly be smiting ONLY these camps, and smiting only these camps will lead to slower clear times and more of a waste of early game farming.

Nolafus September 15th, 2014 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nolafus (Post 8435948)
I've been playing a lot of Galio recently. In all honestly, I don't know why I don't see him very much. In fact, I have yet to see someone else play him. Maybe it's because people try to play middle lane with him, but the problem with that is that Galio has no lane presence whatsoever. So, I've been using him as a support.

Okay, I retract this earlier statement.

I've been playing Galio top lane a lot recently, and I think I've found my perfect champion. His spells go together perfectly with my play style, and by level ten, he can clear minion waves in under five seconds. It's so much fun playing top with him, because all you have to do is spam your Q ability over and over again, and before you know it, their health is dangerously low. Zoom in with your E, ult up, and you have yourself an easy kill. I actually have yet to lose a laning phase with him, so it's working pretty well.

Oh, and I just bought my first skin, Enchanted Galio. I figured that if people are constantly going to question me picking him, I might as well have something to show that I can play him. Plus, he looks really cool with it, haha.

Talon September 16th, 2014 3:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bidoof FTW (Post 8438241)
As a jungle main reading this really bothered me :(

Fun Fact: Jungle mains in diamond and plat will smite wolves, wraiths, or golems and do it often. Although it is recommended that you smite the buffs/wight if you only use smite on those camps you are not being as efficient as you possibly can as a jungler.

Example: Smite is up while you take the little golems at bot lane. You smite the large one and move onto wolves/wraiths (whichever is up or whichever you prefer) and don't smite it. You then take wight camp and smite it, then gank top.

Buffs spawn every 5 minutes. Wight respawn time is 50 seconds, and Smite cooldown is 40 seconds. This is too long of a wait and inconvenience to constantly be smiting ONLY these camps, and smiting only these camps will lead to slower clear times and more of a waste of early game farming.

*Screw everything that was here I have new things to say, these are no longer relevant.*
I've been playing like that now, and I will admit that I'm doing a bit better, but nothing too noticeable. Anyways, onto bigger and better things.

A few questions, since you are a jungler main, such as myself, however probably more experienced:
Smite on F or D? I think everyone knows that F is for Fmite and D is for Dlash.
Also, is Rengar still viable? I've seen a huge variety of performances on him lately, myself included in these. He's a terrible teamfighter, but a great assassin. Amazing level 6+ ganks, and iffy pre6 ganks. Maybe better top lane now? He's my bby. Rengod. Rengar is generally my first pick to a game, unless he gets banned out or the team needs a good teamfighter.

And last thing:
Is this a good strategy: It's kind of a Shaco thing, but I like to clear red first, then go to the buff that the enemy DIDN'T start at, ward it, and sit in a bush in wait for the victim. When they come out I QEQ combo them and then aa to kill. It works most of the time, and then I just kinda camp out the enemy jungle, and kill him when he goes for buffs. Of course I still farm mine, and gank, but not nearly as much. I seem to get fed REALLY fast like this, but fall eventually, as they catch on and prepare for me. What would be your advice on this?


With Talon getting nerfs coming up in 4.17, would it be worth it to pick him up right now before he gets nerfed, or save for someone else?


In loading screen right now
Jg got taken
Adc got taken (I guess..)
Top and mid same
I got supp
Our adc is Malphite
Our supp is Lucian
Take that how you will
But that's how it worked out
Kid said "amc or afk"
So I picked Lucian supp *wink wink*
End game results: Loss, 7/8/?. Smashed Jinx so hard she left.

Squirrel September 16th, 2014 7:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rengar (Post 8439385)
With Talon getting nerfs coming up in 4.17

Talon is getting nerfs? :o He's barely ever played I'm surprised they're nerfing him, though I know he is ridiculously hard to beat once he gets going haha. What are the nerfs? I can't find them on [email protected]

Talon September 16th, 2014 7:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Squirrel (Post 8439620)
Talon is getting nerfs? :o He's barely ever played I'm surprised they're nerfing him, though I know he is ridiculously hard to beat once he gets going haha. What are the nerfs? I can't find them on [email protected]

Haven't released that yet, all they said was he's getting nerfed.
You can see all that's been said so far here.

Selly Jr September 17th, 2014 4:40 AM

I dont think Talon needs nerfs. like if you're gonna nerf talon you may as well just remove the champion from the game. I dont think he's overpowered in any way shape or form right now. how about nerfing someone like tristana or morgana? champions that have no weakness at any stage of the game

Bidoof FTW September 17th, 2014 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rengar (Post 8439385)
A few questions, since you are a jungler main, such as myself, however probably more experienced:
Smite on F or D? I think everyone knows that F is for Fmite and D is for Dlash.
Also, is Rengar still viable? I've seen a huge variety of performances on him lately, myself included in these. He's a terrible teamfighter, but a great assassin. Amazing level 6+ ganks, and iffy pre6 ganks. Maybe better top lane now? He's my bby. Rengod. Rengar is generally my first pick to a game, unless he gets banned out or the team needs a good teamfighter.

And last thing:
Is this a good strategy: It's kind of a Shaco thing, but I like to clear red first, then go to the buff that the enemy DIDN'T start at, ward it, and sit in a bush in wait for the victim. When they come out I QEQ combo them and then aa to kill. It works most of the time, and then I just kinda camp out the enemy jungle, and kill him when he goes for buffs. Of course I still farm mine, and gank, but not nearly as much. I seem to get fed REALLY fast like this, but fall eventually, as they catch on and prepare for me. What would be your advice on this?

I use Smite on D, for me it is a lot more comfortable, but there are champions where I don't run flash, when I play Shaco I use Dignite and Fmite because flash on shaco is a bit irrelevant right now because he has a short tp and is pretty much a troll pick right now.. (although soooo much fun XD) But after playing him and changing back to a flash set I always forget to put Flash on F and I use it just as well, but it just feels right to have Flash on F

I haven't seen Rengar jungle in so long that I really can't have an opinion on this, although he has been used in LCS a good amount during the Summer Split and a lot of people were having trouble with him, it got to the point where people in NA were joking about the Curse of the Rengar. Personally I haven't tried him jungle more than once so I can't say much about my playstyle with him, but I see him more often in top lane or even as a kill lane down bot than I see him jungle, but every champion is really as viable as you are skilled with them. So if you are skilled with Rengar jungle and really enjoy playing with him, than please continue and don't worry about the meta unless you no longer have fun playing him. I never jungle with Eve, Lee, or and of the other LCS junglers and just have fun with my jungling, even when playing a ranked match play someone that you know how to play and tiers/how viable a champion is won't make much of a difference.

And for your Shaco strategy, if you can pull it off then go ahead. Although if you notice that they are prepared for you try asking a laner for assistance and give them the kill so you don't fall and surprise them at the same time. When I play Shaco or any jungler that can invade the other camp like that (works best if you pick their red buff) I won't always invade and farm, just depends on what you're comfortable with or how casually you want to play the game. If I'm in a 5 man queue, I will always invade when playing a champ like this because they will usually want to help you a lot more than some random guy that goes Sion adc (or whatever those crazy kids troll with nowadays)

And that Talon nerf makes complete sense. I've seen a Talon feed all game then walk bot and shred a fed adc like she was a minion. Talon is a really good champion imo and I'm somewhat glad he's getting a nerf.

Talon September 17th, 2014 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bidoof FTW (Post 8440298)
And for your Shaco strategy, if you can pull it off then go ahead. Although if you notice that they are prepared for you try asking a laner for assistance and give them the kill so you don't fall and surprise them at the same time. When I play Shaco or any jungler that can invade the other camp like that (works best if you pick their red buff) I won't always invade and farm, just depends on what you're comfortable with or how casually you want to play the game. If I'm in a 5 man queue, I will always invade when playing a champ like this because they will usually want to help you a lot more than some random guy that goes Sion adc (or whatever those crazy kids troll with nowadays)

You may have misread. I don't do this with Shaco. I do it with Rango. Works almost everytime :D So funny to see the enemy jungler say "gtfo you're not shaco".
I play Shaco a fair bit, and do decent with him. He is kind of a troll pick, as he has no use late game whatsoever. However, his early game is amazing. Those crit ganks tho :D

And for Sion adc.. I have a strange thing. Jungle got taken. Mid got taken. Top got taken. Then ADC. I was left with support. I don't mind playing support, I was down for it. Then our ADC locked malphite. I chose Lucian supp. Won lane. Lost game. Because I suck at adc. I actually smashed lane so hard I made the enemy adc leave :(

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Originally Posted by Selly Jr (Post 8439953)
I dont think Talon needs nerfs. like if you're gonna nerf talon you may as well just remove the champion from the game. I dont think he's overpowered in any way shape or form right now. how about nerfing someone like tristana or morgana? champions that have no weakness at any stage of the game

Trist is getting nerfs too :D
Full list from my understanding:
Talon
Fiora
Trist
Nidalee
Akali
Kha'Zix
Yasuo

Bidoof FTW September 17th, 2014 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rengar (Post 8440308)
You may have misread. I don't do this with Shaco. I do it with Rango. Works almost everytime :D So funny to see the enemy jungler say "gtfo you're not shaco".
I play Shaco a fair bit, and do decent with him. He is kind of a troll pick, as he has no use late game whatsoever. However, his early game is amazing. Those crit ganks tho :D

Crit ganks op, and I meant what I said bc it's a shaco thing to do, so when another champion does it they're just a Shaco in disguise ;)

Talon September 17th, 2014 1:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bidoof FTW (Post 8440367)
Crit ganks op, and I meant what I said bc it's a shaco thing to do, so when another champion does it they're just a Shaco in disguise ;)

****ing Shaco. Always doing Shaco things.

I've been having to dodge so many games today. 3 in a row now. I'm not going to play with a Zed on ADC, or a Jinx on top. But the worst I've seen so far: Sona jg. They locked that thing and I dodged immediately.

Bidoof FTW September 17th, 2014 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rengar (Post 8440383)
****ing Shaco. Always doing Shaco things.

I've been having to dodge so many games today. 3 in a row now. I'm not going to play with a Zed on ADC, or a Jinx on top. But the worst I've seen so far: Sona jg. They locked that thing and I dodged immediately.

Zed adc.. Hmmmmmm I might have to try it now, but Sona jg or Jinx top is prettyyyy bad. Everyone knows Soraka is the best top laner/jungler, especially when running AD. You must be playing with all of the nubs :P

Nolafus September 17th, 2014 8:22 PM

You guys are making me both excited and nervous for the ranked games, once I get to level thirty.

And why is Fiora getting nerfed? I've never seen her done well, haha.


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