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[Spoiler]A New Unova
So if any of you have seen the new scans of the map, you'll notice that most of the map is frozen. Though this may be to hide the other towns (like with the clouds hiding stuff before BW came out), this may actually be part of the game. My theory is that Kyurem most likely has something to do with this. Maybe, after we quell (capture) it, Unova would go back to normal. Hopefully one of these is the case as some of us may want to visit Nuvema Town and other cities.
1) What do you think of the new frozen world? 2) Do you think it will be a permanent feature of the game? |
After you catch Kyurem I'm sure it'll thaw out so you can explore the rest of the region. I'd love to see the old cities and see what's goin on with Striaton after you complete the story line.
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The ice on the image seems a tad unnatural, more like it's there only to cover up the rest of the world rather than to actually represent frozen land.
I know that it says that Unova is partially frozen, but I think it will be explorable. Perhaps they're just hiding the region so they can show off some of the new Unova later. |
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What if the ice isn't actually on the region but over, maybe Kyurem made a barrier of ice (to protect itself from Plasma?), surrouding that area...I mean it is the Boundary Pokemon, barriers create boundaries aka it's marking it's territory.
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Yeah the ice makes Unova look so small,I hope that doesn't mean that we'll have less badges this time around. If that ice is actually there, then I'm thinking that we'll explore that small part first, collect the first four badges and then maybe after we catch Kyurem, he unthaws the ice allowing us to explore the other half and obtain the rest of the badges. Or maybe the ice is frozen over the cities and we to go underneath the ice.
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I'm starting to think that the ice is like the clouds/fog that covered Unova before Black and White were released.
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Also I'm not trying to be a grammar police but unthaw is sort of equal to freeze. Thaw means to melt. |
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I'm hoping the the "Frozen world" isn't permanent. Sliding everywhere would suck. But capturing a pokemon who causes weather changes is so pokemon so I'd go with that hypothesis as well.
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Seems temporary to me, and is only a key element on the storyline involving kyurem. i am sure that after you capture or defeat kyurem, the world will constantly thaw out.
or maybe they thaw in/out depending on the season. |
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It seems like they're just hiding some new changes to the region, but it's probably also indicative of where you'll be able to move around in the beginning of the game since you seem like you'll be starting out in the south-west of the region rather than the south-east.
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I'd say that the areas that you visit after the Elite Four in BW are frozen over and once defeating the Elite Four and resolving the whole Kyurem dispute it will thaw and make it accessible. I can just imagine how epic it will look when Unova is frozen!
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I think that ice is probably there to cover up new locations that they're going to reveal later on, that ice doesn't even look like its part of the same image. If they wanted Unova to be frozen, they would've just drawn it properly like the changes to Driftveil City, Route 4 etc. However, I did read something on Bulbanews about cave entrances to enter the ice...
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I think that it will be somewhat like Pokemon HGSS and Crystal. Like when we finish the main storyline and defeat the whatever/who ever caused it. The old areas will reopen and we have like 8 more gyms we can fight.
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It seems that it there's more mature atmosphere concrening the region, as many areas/parts of other cities have either improved/changed/gone. Well for one, the route betweem Castelia and Nimbasa is FINALLY DONE...so what makes of Desert Resort? |
Can someone link me to a photo of this new map? I tried google. Google failed me.
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http://pokebeach.com/news/0412/corocoro-1.jpg
Looking at it properly, it looks like it's just been pasted on to cover up new areas as previously stated by others. |
I hope that it's just a cover-up of the whole region (but a smaller glacier somewhere in the region wouldn't be too bad). I do however see the cave entrances into the ice northwest of Driftveil so i dont know...
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^ I think so too...I seem to remember seeing those in BW's Unova art too...
The ice does look strange...so if not copy and pasted it's most likely a barrier thing over the region like mentioned before ^_^. |
^^ Ah y'all are right haha the blue from chargestone cave and mistralton cave make it look like part of the glacier. Ah so now I can definitely see it as a cover up
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...guys, there's ice covering the left side, which isn't JUST trees, there's more to it, aka something to possibly explore. If the ice is covered up by CoroCoro... does this mean we'll possibly go to another region left of Unova...?
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Yeah it's just a cover up. The scan states that the MAP is covered not the region. Plus it looks like Gamefreak just dropped an ice cube on top of the map. Say you drop an ice cube on top of a map of your state/hometown etc. Is it actually frozen? Nope.
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Who knows, maybe by map they mean region...but it does look quite strange...if it is frozen gf should have drawn a better map...
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I'm getting a Kanto feel from that Ice near the starting town...Like how you could Surf later from Pallet Town. Maybe a post-game kind of thing to make the starting town actually relevant?
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I don't know why either...
I hope that the city does play a role, maybe you go back during the journey. Also this thought just occured to me, but what became of the Subway...I mean some of it's routes were under the places now covered in ice...maybe the trains will take you under the ice to the other side... |
Didn't we just determine that the ice isn't on the region, just the map? XD
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...I honestly want the ice to really be there, because a subway journey through the ice sounds amazing. I'm thinking the ice may be there though tbh, GF has surprised us a lot lately and I figured if they were doing anything, then yeah, a frozen Unova would be the best kind of storyline tbh.
Jake that'd mean it'd be frozen from the start, though. :( |
Well it could be encroaching ice. Like the protagonist leaving their home to find a way to stop the ice that's on the verge of swallowing up their town.
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Well that could also be a reason why the protagonist leaves home, to try and stop that ice from approaching their hometown. :x I like that as a reason to leave home tbh, makes since not having B/W's characters. :(
...I just had an awesome thought, what if the ice really is in the games - and you can see the edge of it from where you're standing, like at Castelia City you look over in the distance and see this really nice ice scene. :3 Actually going under it would be kinda awesome too... |
Wow, an actual reason to go to your Journey, this will be the first reason since GSC and their remakes given for the character to leave town if true, which I'm hoping it is, it'll just show how threatening Kyurem truely is...
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Gen 1: You have to go on an errand after attaining your First Pokemon from Professor Oak as customary in that town/region. After the Errand Oak encourages you to test your skills as a trainer and to seek fame and Glory. TR story doesn't start until Mount Moon. (After First Gym)
Gen 2: You are running an Errand for Elm and given a Pokemon to defend yourself from wild Pokemon. After you finish your Errand you are (again) encouraged to take the League Challenge. You don't meet Team Rocket for the main story until Azalea. (After First Gym) Gen 3: You hear Birch's cries for help, after getting a Pokemon ans showing battle skills he asks you to assist him and his daughter with their research, later (after talking to your dad another city over) you are encouraged to battle the league. You meet the main villan and start the main story after beating Roxanne and assisint the Devon Corp guy and Mr. Briney, saving them from Mascot team. (After First Gym) Gen 4: You and your close friend seek adventure. (In D/P you leave to search for the Legendary Lake Pokemon after watching the news report on the Red Gyarados. In Pt you leave to ask Prof. Rowan questions. You are given your Pokemon (or retrieved them at the lake) and are asked to come by Rowan's lab later. Once there you are encouraged (AGAIN) by others to take part in the Pokemon League. You meet the main villans and get started on the main story after returning to Jubilife (After the first Gym battle) and assisting Rowan's assistant in a battle against Galactic Grunts. (Pt you meet Cyrus at the lake. which changes part of it though you do not know him as the main bad guy yet. First real encounter with Galactic is in Jubilife) Gen 5: You receive Pokemon from the Professor as a Birthday gift and share with your friends. After going to thank the prof. for the gifts she asks you to assist her, and later you and your friend start to walk down the path of the League Trainer. You meet Plasma in the next town (breaking the cycle even though first battle encounter isn't until Dream Yard after the First Gym). Following the cycle, I'm gunna ball park, You and your rival receive your Pokemon while attending the Trainer school. After receiving starter you are challenged by your rival to challenge the Gyms and leave on your journey. The new Professor can recruit the two characters to assist with his study of Pokemon "Strengths". I don't see it being too far off from this scenario. Maybe different reason for leaving, but I doubt its to save the world as that always comes from incidental build up. Reoccurring villains that just build up your will to defy them and stop their evil deeds before they harm everyone. Not to mention the local police and people of power are just going to force you to do it anyway like they always do. |
This prediction fits more here than anywhere else, since this town is covered in ice in the map so it must have a pretty drastic change. I'm gonna predict that Nuvema town is now a city and that's where the last gym is. :3
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Hmm possibly! Or the remains, under the ice are instead where it is. Actually, if it is iced over, I'm interested in how long it could've been iced over for and what's underneath those actual places. Have they become ruins?
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I didn't like it when the eastern part froze.I like undella town its my type i like beaches.
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The ancient castle is probably gone by now covered in sand. |
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I think they are frozen over tbh. Considering the fact that Kyurem is the main Pokemon, and unless there's ruins under there (like I hope), that's probably the most likely thing. Otherwise yeah, why point it out? :x
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It looks too see-through to be frozen over IMO. I don't know, maybe some parts will be frozen but definitely not all of that. You can really see through almost all of it except the very thick parts at the top.
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I don't think it's actually frozen, too. I think it's actually just part of the map image intended to obscure parts of the map. Perhaps for post-game?
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A frozen region would be total boss mode. I like the idea that someone suggested that the new main character's hometown is in danger of freezing and you leave to figure out a way to stop it. OOH, and the "evil team" is there to pretend like it's trying to do the same thing, when in reality they're the cause of it! I'm thinking you beat Kyurem and then the ice melts. Especially since the Pokemon League looks frozen over, too.
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The ice is just to cover up. It doesn't fit with the rest of the map. It doesn't follow the land. It's just there, as a layer over the map. If the ice was actually there in-game, they would've drawn the ice on the map.
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Someone on another forum brought up a good point. Look at the map, and notice that there are clouds UNDER the ice? You can even see clouds poking out from some of the ice at the spots where the ice ends. It's clearly NOT on the land, as the clouds would be above the ice if this was so.
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Here's a high quality picture of the new map, from pokejungle.
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Notice if you look on the west side of the map. There is ice outside that game map. Therefore not part of the region.
If you look at Undella Town, The water is not frozen under the ice. They are hideing stuff most likely. I am hopeing for a Safarii Zone There is also something new in the northern part of the western map. I am not sure what it is. It also looks like the Pokeleague structure in the northern east has changed some. |
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If you look at the map for B2/W2 you see that sky arrow bridge(Idc what its called) is half frozen over! Maybe this is the reason why you start in a new town. Maybe as a twist you find Kyurem there? Maybe The B/W Player bought Kyurem to their hometown to show Juniper and it turned into disaster?
Oh the Possibilities. |
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Personally i'm pretty happy that half of Unova isn't frozen and the ice is just hiding further changes/placed to fit a theme like a couple of people have said. Perhaps there will be a temporary story event with B/W Kyurem involving the land being frozen/snowed out further in the story much like with Groudon/Kyogre in R/S/E. |
Aw, I was really hoping it would be frozen in some parts.
But now that I look at it, everyone is right, I think they just put that there to hide most of the map. I really do hope it's frozen, though. ;; |
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I'm not too big a fan of hard locks in games, though. I wish for once GameFreak would let us sequence break so we could do things in a different order. Wow, I just went way off track. But yeah, didn't the Kyurem event in B/W have something to do with illusions? Maybe he makes the world appear as if it's frozen at some point? I'm not too clear on how that all happened in B/W though, as I put down the DS shortly after beating the game for some reason and never did the Kyurem event myself. ._. |
In my opinion, the ice is just there to cover up part of the map that they don't want to reveal yet. First of all, the ice looks very unprofessionally placed. Just thrown over top of it in Photoshop. The edges of the ice just seem to end in random places, like the middle of Skyarrow Bridge (which would probably be collapsed if it was really frozen), and at the edge of the desert (which a very small portion of the ice overlaps on). Also, note how the ice is very translucent. You can see water, grass, sand, and even a few buildings underneath it, including Dragonspiral Tower, and if you look closely, you can kind of see Professor Juniper's lab. All this suggests to me that, rather than Unova being frozen over, the ice is doing no more than just concealing new features of Unova that have yet to be revealed.
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What could be under the ice that they'll have to hide it though...I'm excited to see what new things they may have added, maybe there's a new Battle frontier where the ice is placed over ^_^.
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If there's anything GF is trying to hide under the ice, it's probably just the fact that there will be new/different locations. I don't know if it would really be based on importance. Hopefully though!
But however way, I wouldn't mind it just being a cover up or something to do within the game. The second option is a whole lot more interesting though. |
It makes sense that the areas that are frozen over feature post game stuff, if I remember right they did so with HgSs' Kanto side. Maybe the hidden area has sites for legendary Pokemon such as the Sinnoh dragon trio like how Johto had the Tower for the Hoenn trio. If so than I expect it to be around Undella as that's near the Abysmal ruins which contain Arceus' plates.
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Take a look at the northwest corner of the map. When you look at it there, it's rather clear the the clouds actually go under the ice. If that's how it's gonna be frozen for the game itself, why would the clouds go under the ice? That seals my theory that there are just new areas that have yet to be revealed that are being hidden by the ice for the time being. In time, the entire map without the ice should hopefully be revealed. What I'm really curious about is what's under the ice northeast of Village Bridge. Take a look there.
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probably just going to be a "oh no the world is going to freeze over if you don't stop team plasmatica or whatever they're called."
hopefully it makes more sense than the BW story... but the ice over the map on the screenshot doesn't look like it is actually part of the world somehow. if you look along the edges of the icy bits... :/ |
I wish we had a clearer version of the map it's too blurry to see much, especially with the glare...
I sure hope they added something there, east Unova seemed empty to me in BW... |
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I think Keldeo is going to help us breaking the ice and that Cryogonals and Kyurem froze that part of Unova. I guess we should look to the movie and understand the clues... if you know what I mean :)
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I'd bet that the ice is just covering that part of the map. Unova becoming half frozen in the time of two years (right?) seems entirely illogical, even in Pokemon logic.
I guess the question is that what is the ice covering. Maybe those areas of BW Unova have advanced/expanded since two years previous? |
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I do wonder why the Extralink is dry...(will we need to do missions to make the water rise?) It does seem like there is something hidden under the clouds, specially in the northeast corner... |
I find it interesting that the starter towns from last game are frozen over. After the game starts usually no one really cares about the starter towns, so to make them an important part of the game would be amazinggg.
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I don't always post on pokecommunity, but I just wanted to give my two cents. I think it would be safe to say that the ice is just a coverup. After looking at the iced map I do not believe that I saw the town with the new water gym leader. Also I took the liberty of making a comparison with the two maps of Unova. I neglected to circle that fact that Castelia City has more boats in the harbor, whether that is relevant or not i am unaware. ENJOY! |
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I thought we were clear on the map, it isn't frozen, it's just to cover the map up for a later reveal right?
Also, is that area in east Unova on the mountain the Abundant Shrine? It's sort of in the same place, or just slightly higher idk. |
Well until it's confirmed, I'm still going to believe that it's frozen over on that side of the region. c':
And I don't think that's Abundant Shrine. If anything, I'm thinking it will be a small village near the shrine. |
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Pretty interesting to see the changes side by side. I was too lazy to try and compare them. x] I certainly hope the ice is just a cover-up, though according to serebii it actually isn't. However, if that's true and they do fit all of the new gyms into those new areas, I feel like this is going to be a relatively short game story-wise, not unless they choose to open the frozen areas up sometime during the game and not after. I wonder how if there are any people still living in the frozen over areas? Kind of a scary thought. Perhaps they're frozen as well? Yikes. |
I'm pretty sure the ice is just there to tie in with the Kyurem theme, it isn't literally there. Just to cover up new areas and the like.
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I hope it's just covering stuff up. Having those lands actually be completely iced over gives the whole game a post-apocalyptic feel, which I don't feel suits the Pokemon franchise. Besides, having less territory to explore isn't usually a good thing.
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Now I wouldn't be at all surprised if the area where Kyreum was found is a Ice Castle or something instead of just a cave.
But I think everything else i just normal. Just hideing new things like other people have said. |
I'm curious on how we're going to go to Opelucid City, if at all. Since the path to get to Opelucid is frozen and even then, the exit from the cave to get to Iccirus City to get to the path is frozen too. :I
There is that little path in the grass though, but it wasn't accessable in BW, so it's not likely that we would be able to cross it, though, that sole chuck of ice next to Opelucid looks interesting. If you look really closely, there's a small ident in the chuck of ice that looks like an opening. Maybe we'll be able to explore it as a cave? |
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WHAT IF THERE WAS A TIME FREEZE???
Really, it would be funny if GameFreak used the ice to point out something else that may happen in the game (like a time freeze), and it doesn't actually have anything to do with being a cover up or being literally frozen. Maybe that part of the region has been frozen in time, and time doesn't pass at all, until things are fixed with Kyurem. |
But Kyruem has nothing to do with time. how would they be able to explain that? xD
Unless Kyurem's ice is SO powerful that it can freeze time itself, which is just...yeah. I'm still thinking that the region is actually frozen, but still what COULD they be hiding if it weren't? One more building on a map that we would need a life size replica of the map in order to notice it? What would be the point, saying "oh look new subway"? The whole map for one feature? Why not just that one spot? |
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^ I agree, there must be something else going on with the map...they mentioned it was frozen for a reason in the magazine, if it was cover up that would be disappointing...then again they have hyped things before...
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But we'll never know for sure until they actually reveal what the heck it's all about. |
So the ice is meant to make us raise our expectations for new areas? Well it seems to be working on some of us... I just hope it's worthwhile like new gyms, a battle frontier,ect.
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Though, my main theory and I will stick with this until proven otherwise, is that the ice is actually in the game, not just ON the artwork to cover for something. |
^ I would like the ice to do both, being made by Kyurem as a shield away from Humans who may threaten it like Plasma did with the dragons. While at the same time there are new areas we can access after the ice starts to break.
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I'm sticking with the Ice in-game theory too, as I really want to scale these glacier mountains and/or explore underthem via Subway.
Or, better yet, the Ice isn't touching the ground, rather, it's above the cities, replicating a roof of some sorts. Kind of like a boundry so the people inside can't leave or something. Thus suiting with Kyurem's title, The Boundry Pokemon. |
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I'm wondering if yeah, maybe they did surface! I mean, it's been two years, a lot can happen, ruins can surface,e specially considering how many currents ran through that place. |
I'm actually curious where the Pokemon League would be. If my boundary theory is correct, it would stay in the same location. If not, I have a feeling it will be in that dried up circle area (Entralink was the name, iirc?)
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Think of it as a sneak peek for what they gave us now but they could TOTALLY change the east side of Unova in just 2 months. |
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I'm actually starting to wonder, now that i go through my game again:
Maybe the new map is putting in some details the original map discluded? Like the ships in Castelia are pretty accurate when you consider events and whatnot. As for the islands right next to Undella, I semi-remember there being a few land masses AROUND the spot where you dove out in the water. The two islands to the southwest, wasn't one of those Liberty island? Weren't both accessible via event somehow? Plus the airplane on the runway I think IS Skyla's giant cargo plane. |
^ That's true, I remember those things. Though the islands don't seem very noteworthy for them to add them just now...
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it would nice to have the other regions in this game after your done with the ice. its kind of sad that we have all this cool new stuff in the ds games but are so limited to where we can go...(aside from the g/s remakes) they could structure it to wear giovani would be like 60lvl or so and the elite 4 in kanto would be uber awesome. providing a serious end game challenge.
idk how the level structure would be for the other gyms outside of the region but a seriously improved game is long over due from gamefreak. |
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