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Raichupacabra April 11th, 2012 8:36 PM

[Spoiler]A New Unova
 
So if any of you have seen the new scans of the map, you'll notice that most of the map is frozen. Though this may be to hide the other towns (like with the clouds hiding stuff before BW came out), this may actually be part of the game. My theory is that Kyurem most likely has something to do with this. Maybe, after we quell (capture) it, Unova would go back to normal. Hopefully one of these is the case as some of us may want to visit Nuvema Town and other cities.

1) What do you think of the new frozen world?

2) Do you think it will be a permanent feature of the game?

Xander Olivieri April 11th, 2012 8:42 PM

After you catch Kyurem I'm sure it'll thaw out so you can explore the rest of the region. I'd love to see the old cities and see what's goin on with Striaton after you complete the story line.

Cello April 11th, 2012 8:54 PM

The ice on the image seems a tad unnatural, more like it's there only to cover up the rest of the world rather than to actually represent frozen land.
I know that it says that Unova is partially frozen, but I think it will be explorable. Perhaps they're just hiding the region so they can show off some of the new Unova later.

P0kelegend April 11th, 2012 9:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cello (Post 7127207)
The ice on the image seems a tad unnatural, more like it's there only to cover up the rest of the world rather than to actually represent frozen land.
I know that it says that Unova is partially frozen, but I think it will be explorable. Perhaps they're just hiding the region so they can show off some of the new Unova later.

Yeah, it actually says the map is frozen, not the region. So Im assuming its just covering the parts of Unova they plan to reveal in the next issue like how they put clouds over Unova for B/W when it was shown.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 11th, 2012 10:46 PM

What if the ice isn't actually on the region but over, maybe Kyurem made a barrier of ice (to protect itself from Plasma?), surrouding that area...I mean it is the Boundary Pokemon, barriers create boundaries aka it's marking it's territory.

Treecko April 11th, 2012 11:06 PM

Yeah the ice makes Unova look so small,I hope that doesn't mean that we'll have less badges this time around. If that ice is actually there, then I'm thinking that we'll explore that small part first, collect the first four badges and then maybe after we catch Kyurem, he unthaws the ice allowing us to explore the other half and obtain the rest of the badges. Or maybe the ice is frozen over the cities and we to go underneath the ice.

Raichupacabra April 11th, 2012 11:30 PM

I'm starting to think that the ice is like the clouds/fog that covered Unova before Black and White were released.

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Originally Posted by AWsquared (Post 7127380)
Yeah the ice makes Unova look so small,I hope that doesn't mean that we'll have less badges this time around. If that ice is actually there, then I'm thinking that we'll explore that small part first, collect the first four badges and then maybe after we catch Kyurem, he unthaws the ice allowing us to explore the other half and obtain the rest of the badges. Or maybe the ice is frozen over the cities and we to go underneath the ice.

I'm not saying your speculation is wrong, but four badges is way too little :O
Also I'm not trying to be a grammar police but unthaw is sort of equal to freeze. Thaw means to melt.

Mew~ April 12th, 2012 4:34 AM

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Originally Posted by P0kelegend (Post 7127244)
Yeah, it actually says the map is frozen, not the region. So Im assuming its just covering the parts of Unova they plan to reveal in the next issue like how they put clouds over Unova for B/W when it was shown.

Yeah, it's more or less this really. Like how they used clouds to cover up the Battle Frontier and Safari Zone in the HG/SS maps.

Turn-it April 12th, 2012 5:23 AM

I'm hoping the the "Frozen world" isn't permanent. Sliding everywhere would suck. But capturing a pokemon who causes weather changes is so pokemon so I'd go with that hypothesis as well.

miltankRancher April 12th, 2012 5:33 AM

Seems temporary to me, and is only a key element on the storyline involving kyurem. i am sure that after you capture or defeat kyurem, the world will constantly thaw out.

or maybe they thaw in/out depending on the season.

Treecko April 12th, 2012 7:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Raichupacabra (Post 7127389)
I'm starting to think that the ice is like the clouds/fog that covered Unova before Black and White were released.



I'm not saying your speculation is wrong, but four badges is way too little :O
Also I'm not trying to be a grammar police but unthaw is sort of equal to freeze. Thaw means to melt.

Perhaps. But looking at the maps again I notice 6 of the original gym cities aren't covered in ice. With the addition of the two cities and gymleaders it brings the total back to eight. I'm assuming you can access the gym in Opelucid and Icirrus ( I think it's partilly covered) City.

Esper April 12th, 2012 9:46 AM

It seems like they're just hiding some new changes to the region, but it's probably also indicative of where you'll be able to move around in the beginning of the game since you seem like you'll be starting out in the south-west of the region rather than the south-east.

blue April 12th, 2012 9:59 AM

I'd say that the areas that you visit after the Elite Four in BW are frozen over and once defeating the Elite Four and resolving the whole Kyurem dispute it will thaw and make it accessible. I can just imagine how epic it will look when Unova is frozen!

dannyboy601 April 12th, 2012 10:02 AM

I think that ice is probably there to cover up new locations that they're going to reveal later on, that ice doesn't even look like its part of the same image. If they wanted Unova to be frozen, they would've just drawn it properly like the changes to Driftveil City, Route 4 etc. However, I did read something on Bulbanews about cave entrances to enter the ice...

Iceshadow3317 April 12th, 2012 10:43 AM

I think that it will be somewhat like Pokemon HGSS and Crystal. Like when we finish the main storyline and defeat the whatever/who ever caused it. The old areas will reopen and we have like 8 more gyms we can fight.

TCB April 12th, 2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 7128030)
I think that it will be somewhat like Pokemon HGSS and Crystal. Like when we finish the main storyline and defeat the whatever/who ever caused it. The old areas will reopen and we have like 8 more gyms we can fight.

The only two gym cities that are 'covered over' in ice are Striaton City and Nacrene City.

It seems that it there's more mature atmosphere concrening the region, as many areas/parts of other cities have either improved/changed/gone. Well for one, the route betweem Castelia and Nimbasa is FINALLY DONE...so what makes of Desert Resort?

A Sadistic Bastard April 12th, 2012 12:50 PM

Can someone link me to a photo of this new map? I tried google. Google failed me.

blue April 12th, 2012 12:54 PM

http://pokebeach.com/news/0412/corocoro-1.jpg

Looking at it properly, it looks like it's just been pasted on to cover up new areas as previously stated by others.

Ghiaccio April 12th, 2012 1:07 PM

I hope that it's just a cover-up of the whole region (but a smaller glacier somewhere in the region wouldn't be too bad). I do however see the cave entrances into the ice northwest of Driftveil so i dont know...

dannyboy601 April 12th, 2012 1:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghiaccio (Post 7128209)
I hope that it's just a cover-up of the whole region (but a smaller glacier somewhere in the region wouldn't be too bad). I do however see the cave entrances into the ice northwest of Driftveil so i dont know...

I think those are the entrances to Chargestone Cave and Mistralton Cave.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 12th, 2012 2:44 PM

^ I think so too...I seem to remember seeing those in BW's Unova art too...
The ice does look strange...so if not copy and pasted it's most likely a barrier thing over the region like mentioned before ^_^.

Ghiaccio April 12th, 2012 3:34 PM

^^ Ah y'all are right haha the blue from chargestone cave and mistralton cave make it look like part of the glacier. Ah so now I can definitely see it as a cover up

Ho-Oh April 12th, 2012 6:42 PM

...guys, there's ice covering the left side, which isn't JUST trees, there's more to it, aka something to possibly explore. If the ice is covered up by CoroCoro... does this mean we'll possibly go to another region left of Unova...?

TCB April 12th, 2012 7:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7128624)
...guys, there's ice covering the left side, which isn't JUST trees, there's more to it, aka something to possibly explore. If the ice is covered up by CoroCoro... does this mean we'll possibly go to another region left of Unova...?

The far left of the the scan correct? Wow, didn't sse that....another region? Now that's a farfetched idea there. Still, it would be interesting if SOMETHING is there. Maybe Anville Town can gain access there, as I see the town in the northwesten part of Unova still.

rocky505 April 12th, 2012 8:25 PM

Yeah it's just a cover up. The scan states that the MAP is covered not the region. Plus it looks like Gamefreak just dropped an ice cube on top of the map. Say you drop an ice cube on top of a map of your state/hometown etc. Is it actually frozen? Nope.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 12th, 2012 9:39 PM

Who knows, maybe by map they mean region...but it does look quite strange...if it is frozen gf should have drawn a better map...

Oryx April 12th, 2012 10:02 PM

I'm getting a Kanto feel from that Ice near the starting town...Like how you could Surf later from Pallet Town. Maybe a post-game kind of thing to make the starting town actually relevant?

Ho-Oh April 12th, 2012 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7128865)
I'm getting a Kanto feel from that Ice near the starting town...Like how you could Surf later from Pallet Town. Maybe a post-game kind of thing to make the starting town actually relevant?

YES. Idk why else they would've hid that part specifically, especially when there's descriptive... parts there (the non-trees). :x

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 12th, 2012 10:07 PM

I don't know why either...
I hope that the city does play a role, maybe you go back during the journey.
Also this thought just occured to me, but what became of the Subway...I mean some of it's routes were under the places now covered in ice...maybe the trains will take you under the ice to the other side...

Oryx April 12th, 2012 10:16 PM

Didn't we just determine that the ice isn't on the region, just the map? XD

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 12th, 2012 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7128891)
Didn't we just determine that the ice isn't on the region, just the map? XD

Well it has yet to be confirmed xD. It could simply be a barrier over the region, as I said before Kyurem is known as the Boundary Pokemon, they will most likely explain why it's called that like they did with Rayquaza with having the player climb up high, and it flying up high during E to stop Grou and Kyo, and Giratina being the Renegade pokemon and later explaining it's banishment to the distortion world in Pt. It's dex title has to play a part...

Ho-Oh April 12th, 2012 10:30 PM

...I honestly want the ice to really be there, because a subway journey through the ice sounds amazing. I'm thinking the ice may be there though tbh, GF has surprised us a lot lately and I figured if they were doing anything, then yeah, a frozen Unova would be the best kind of storyline tbh.

Jake that'd mean it'd be frozen from the start, though. :(

Oryx April 12th, 2012 10:34 PM

Well it could be encroaching ice. Like the protagonist leaving their home to find a way to stop the ice that's on the verge of swallowing up their town.

Ho-Oh April 12th, 2012 10:50 PM

Well that could also be a reason why the protagonist leaves home, to try and stop that ice from approaching their hometown. :x I like that as a reason to leave home tbh, makes since not having B/W's characters. :(

...I just had an awesome thought, what if the ice really is in the games - and you can see the edge of it from where you're standing, like at Castelia City you look over in the distance and see this really nice ice scene. :3 Actually going under it would be kinda awesome too...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 12th, 2012 10:55 PM

Wow, an actual reason to go to your Journey, this will be the first reason since GSC and their remakes given for the character to leave town if true, which I'm hoping it is, it'll just show how threatening Kyurem truely is...

Xander Olivieri April 12th, 2012 11:22 PM

Gen 1: You have to go on an errand after attaining your First Pokemon from Professor Oak as customary in that town/region. After the Errand Oak encourages you to test your skills as a trainer and to seek fame and Glory. TR story doesn't start until Mount Moon. (After First Gym)

Gen 2: You are running an Errand for Elm and given a Pokemon to defend yourself from wild Pokemon. After you finish your Errand you are (again) encouraged to take the League Challenge. You don't meet Team Rocket for the main story until Azalea. (After First Gym)

Gen 3: You hear Birch's cries for help, after getting a Pokemon ans showing battle skills he asks you to assist him and his daughter with their research, later (after talking to your dad another city over) you are encouraged to battle the league. You meet the main villan and start the main story after beating Roxanne and assisint the Devon Corp guy and Mr. Briney, saving them from Mascot team. (After First Gym)

Gen 4: You and your close friend seek adventure. (In D/P you leave to search for the Legendary Lake Pokemon after watching the news report on the Red Gyarados. In Pt you leave to ask Prof. Rowan questions. You are given your Pokemon (or retrieved them at the lake) and are asked to come by Rowan's lab later. Once there you are encouraged (AGAIN) by others to take part in the Pokemon League. You meet the main villans and get started on the main story after returning to Jubilife (After the first Gym battle) and assisting Rowan's assistant in a battle against Galactic Grunts. (Pt you meet Cyrus at the lake. which changes part of it though you do not know him as the main bad guy yet. First real encounter with Galactic is in Jubilife)

Gen 5: You receive Pokemon from the Professor as a Birthday gift and share with your friends. After going to thank the prof. for the gifts she asks you to assist her, and later you and your friend start to walk down the path of the League Trainer. You meet Plasma in the next town (breaking the cycle even though first battle encounter isn't until Dream Yard after the First Gym).

Following the cycle, I'm gunna ball park, You and your rival receive your Pokemon while attending the Trainer school. After receiving starter you are challenged by your rival to challenge the Gyms and leave on your journey.

The new Professor can recruit the two characters to assist with his study of Pokemon "Strengths".

I don't see it being too far off from this scenario. Maybe different reason for leaving, but I doubt its to save the world as that always comes from incidental build up. Reoccurring villains that just build up your will to defy them and stop their evil deeds before they harm everyone.

Not to mention the local police and people of power are just going to force you to do it anyway like they always do.

Oryx April 13th, 2012 4:01 AM

This prediction fits more here than anywhere else, since this town is covered in ice in the map so it must have a pretty drastic change. I'm gonna predict that Nuvema town is now a city and that's where the last gym is. :3

Ho-Oh April 13th, 2012 4:08 AM

Hmm possibly! Or the remains, under the ice are instead where it is. Actually, if it is iced over, I'm interested in how long it could've been iced over for and what's underneath those actual places. Have they become ruins?

LordSalamence April 13th, 2012 4:59 AM

I didn't like it when the eastern part froze.I like undella town its my type i like beaches.

LordSalamence April 13th, 2012 5:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosSonic (Post 7128155)
The only two gym cities that are 'covered over' in ice are Striaton City and Nacrene City.

It seems that it there's more mature atmosphere concrening the region, as many areas/parts of other cities have either improved/changed/gone. Well for one, the route betweem Castelia and Nimbasa is FINALLY DONE...so what makes of Desert Resort?

You forgot mistralton,icirrus,and opelucid city.

The ancient castle is probably gone by now covered in sand.

Oryx April 13th, 2012 5:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7129147)
Hmm possibly! Or the remains, under the ice are instead where it is. Actually, if it is iced over, I'm interested in how long it could've been iced over for and what's underneath those actual places. Have they become ruins?

I would find it really strange if they finish construction around Castelia and allowed the other towns to fall into ruin. I'm speaking about it as map ice though, not region ice haha.

Esper April 13th, 2012 8:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7129140)
This prediction fits more here than anywhere else, since this town is covered in ice in the map so it must have a pretty drastic change. I'm gonna predict that Nuvema town is now a city and that's where the last gym is. :3

Or it could be that other town you visit early in the game, the one where you meet N that has nothing in it. It really needs to have something in it to give it a reason to exist now that it's not just the first new town you visit.

TCB April 13th, 2012 8:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 7129195)
It looks like there's a new beach town anyway.

I think we've established that the region hasn't been frozen over. (Or really, it hasn't been explicitly stated that it's frozen over.)

Seems that way, but always fun to speculate if small parts are frozen/been affected in some way right?

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Originally Posted by LordSalamence (Post 7129200)
You forgot mistralton,icirrus,and opelucid city.

The ancient castle is probably gone by now covered in sand.

Based on the scan of the map of the region, Opelucid isn't 'covered/frozen over' but rather on the verge of being 'covered/frozen over'. I didn't consider Mistralton or Icirrus until I had a closer inspection of the scan. Good eye.

Xander Olivieri April 13th, 2012 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 7130542)
Well I give in. Given that the frozen design is in the website's map, and the text raises the question of why the map is covered in ice, you have to conclude that something's happening in the areas frozen over on the map.

Maybe they really are frozen over. Scary thought.

Or maybe they're just like the clouds; they're hiding something.

You can clearly see through certain parts to blurry landscapes which still tell us alot about a few of the changes. They are just hiding things. So far Chargestone Cave, Mistralon Cave, and the area where Black City/White Forest were are frozen on the actual map.

Ho-Oh April 13th, 2012 7:42 PM

I think they are frozen over tbh. Considering the fact that Kyurem is the main Pokemon, and unless there's ruins under there (like I hope), that's probably the most likely thing. Otherwise yeah, why point it out? :x

P0kelegend April 13th, 2012 7:44 PM

It looks too see-through to be frozen over IMO. I don't know, maybe some parts will be frozen but definitely not all of that. You can really see through almost all of it except the very thick parts at the top.

Legendary Silke April 14th, 2012 5:48 AM

I don't think it's actually frozen, too. I think it's actually just part of the map image intended to obscure parts of the map. Perhaps for post-game?

Jellicent♀ April 14th, 2012 5:57 AM

A frozen region would be total boss mode. I like the idea that someone suggested that the new main character's hometown is in danger of freezing and you leave to figure out a way to stop it. OOH, and the "evil team" is there to pretend like it's trying to do the same thing, when in reality they're the cause of it! I'm thinking you beat Kyurem and then the ice melts. Especially since the Pokemon League looks frozen over, too.

iTeruri April 14th, 2012 12:40 PM

The ice is just to cover up. It doesn't fit with the rest of the map. It doesn't follow the land. It's just there, as a layer over the map. If the ice was actually there in-game, they would've drawn the ice on the map.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 14th, 2012 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by P0kelegend (Post 7130567)
It looks too see-through to be frozen over IMO. I don't know, maybe some parts will be frozen but definitely not all of that. You can really see through almost all of it except the very thick parts at the top.

I mentioned this before, maybe the ice is simply a barrier over the land created by Kyurem, creating it's territorial boundary around the region. Also glaciers in cartoons and game are sometimes way more transparent than it is in reality.

P0kelegend April 14th, 2012 4:59 PM

Someone on another forum brought up a good point. Look at the map, and notice that there are clouds UNDER the ice? You can even see clouds poking out from some of the ice at the spots where the ice ends. It's clearly NOT on the land, as the clouds would be above the ice if this was so.

Bluerang1 April 14th, 2012 5:26 PM

Here's a high quality picture of the new map, from pokejungle.


I do wonder if the new areas have always been there or if they were recently constructed. The former is more probable.

Iceshadow3317 April 14th, 2012 5:38 PM

Notice if you look on the west side of the map. There is ice outside that game map. Therefore not part of the region.

If you look at Undella Town, The water is not frozen under the ice. They are hideing stuff most likely. I am hopeing for a Safarii Zone

There is also something new in the northern part of the western map. I am not sure what it is. It also looks like the Pokeleague structure in the northern east has changed some.

Ho-Oh April 14th, 2012 5:44 PM

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Originally Posted by P0kelegend (Post 7132309)
Someone on another forum brought up a good point. Look at the map, and notice that there are clouds UNDER the ice? You can even see clouds poking out from some of the ice at the spots where the ice ends. It's clearly NOT on the land, as the clouds would be above the ice if this was so.

Hmmm, damnit. So no frozen Unova? Perhaps those areas are like danger zones, and you need permission to go there or something, which is why the ice is covering the map showing that they're the places likely to be attacked by Kyurem and the places you should avoid until you're skilled enough? :x Most likely reason for the ice to be hiding the region on three official maps imo.

Iceshadow3317 April 14th, 2012 5:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 7132366)
Here's a high quality picture of the new map, from pokejungle.


I do wonder if the new areas have always been there or if they were recently constructed. The former is more probable.

Well remember. Driftvelm or what ever had a tunnel we could not get to in BW. My guess the new areas is what the were building.

pokemonpokemonpokemon59 April 14th, 2012 10:11 PM

If you look at the map for B2/W2 you see that sky arrow bridge(Idc what its called) is half frozen over! Maybe this is the reason why you start in a new town. Maybe as a twist you find Kyurem there? Maybe The B/W Player bought Kyurem to their hometown to show Juniper and it turned into disaster?

Oh the Possibilities.

Cello April 14th, 2012 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by P0kelegend (Post 7132309)
Look at the map, and notice that there are clouds UNDER the ice? You can even see clouds poking out from some of the ice at the spots where the ice ends. It's clearly NOT on the land, as the clouds would be above the ice if this was so.

Good point, and i'm glad somebody brought that up.
Personally i'm pretty happy that half of Unova isn't frozen and the ice is just hiding further changes/placed to fit a theme like a couple of people have said.

Perhaps there will be a temporary story event with B/W Kyurem involving the land being frozen/snowed out further in the story much like with Groudon/Kyogre in R/S/E.

Jellicent♀ April 15th, 2012 8:52 AM

Aw, I was really hoping it would be frozen in some parts.
But now that I look at it, everyone is right, I think they just put that there to hide most of the map.
I really do hope it's frozen, though. ;;

Zelda April 15th, 2012 9:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cello (Post 7132885)
Perhaps there will be a temporary story event with B/W Kyurem involving the land being frozen/snowed out further in the story much like with Groudon/Kyogre in R/S/E.

I could see this happening! Or perhaps parts of the region will have ice blocking out areas we shouldn't be able to get to until certain points in the game. Unless it's a little like Platinum, and patches around towns/cities/routes are frozen.

Cello April 15th, 2012 9:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7133039)

Or perhaps parts of the region will have ice blocking out areas we shouldn't be able to get to until certain points in the game.

I could see that happening. It's not the first time it's happened in a Pokemon game. :P
I'm not too big a fan of hard locks in games, though. I wish for once GameFreak would let us sequence break so we could do things in a different order.
Wow, I just went way off track.

But yeah, didn't the Kyurem event in B/W have something to do with illusions?
Maybe he makes the world appear as if it's frozen at some point?
I'm not too clear on how that all happened in B/W though, as I put down the DS shortly after beating the game for some reason and never did the Kyurem event myself. ._.

deoxys121 April 15th, 2012 10:51 AM

In my opinion, the ice is just there to cover up part of the map that they don't want to reveal yet. First of all, the ice looks very unprofessionally placed. Just thrown over top of it in Photoshop. The edges of the ice just seem to end in random places, like the middle of Skyarrow Bridge (which would probably be collapsed if it was really frozen), and at the edge of the desert (which a very small portion of the ice overlaps on). Also, note how the ice is very translucent. You can see water, grass, sand, and even a few buildings underneath it, including Dragonspiral Tower, and if you look closely, you can kind of see Professor Juniper's lab. All this suggests to me that, rather than Unova being frozen over, the ice is doing no more than just concealing new features of Unova that have yet to be revealed.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 15th, 2012 11:49 AM

What could be under the ice that they'll have to hide it though...I'm excited to see what new things they may have added, maybe there's a new Battle frontier where the ice is placed over ^_^.

Zelda April 15th, 2012 11:56 AM

If there's anything GF is trying to hide under the ice, it's probably just the fact that there will be new/different locations. I don't know if it would really be based on importance. Hopefully though!

But however way, I wouldn't mind it just being a cover up or something to do within the game. The second option is a whole lot more interesting though.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 15th, 2012 12:29 PM

It makes sense that the areas that are frozen over feature post game stuff, if I remember right they did so with HgSs' Kanto side. Maybe the hidden area has sites for legendary Pokemon such as the Sinnoh dragon trio like how Johto had the Tower for the Hoenn trio. If so than I expect it to be around Undella as that's near the Abysmal ruins which contain Arceus' plates.

deoxys121 April 15th, 2012 12:37 PM

Take a look at the northwest corner of the map. When you look at it there, it's rather clear the the clouds actually go under the ice. If that's how it's gonna be frozen for the game itself, why would the clouds go under the ice? That seals my theory that there are just new areas that have yet to be revealed that are being hidden by the ice for the time being. In time, the entire map without the ice should hopefully be revealed. What I'm really curious about is what's under the ice northeast of Village Bridge. Take a look there.

porkcrapper April 15th, 2012 12:42 PM

probably just going to be a "oh no the world is going to freeze over if you don't stop team plasmatica or whatever they're called."
hopefully it makes more sense than the BW story...
but the ice over the map on the screenshot doesn't look like it is actually part of the world somehow. if you look along the edges of the icy bits... :/

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 15th, 2012 12:46 PM

I wish we had a clearer version of the map it's too blurry to see much, especially with the glare...

I sure hope they added something there, east Unova seemed empty to me in BW...

Oryx April 15th, 2012 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7133388)
I wish we had a clearer version of the map it's too blurry to see much, especially with the glare...

I sure hope they added something there, east Unova seemed empty to me in BW...



You're welcome. I am betting they added a bunch more though.

EmbC April 15th, 2012 1:06 PM

I think Keldeo is going to help us breaking the ice and that Cryogonals and Kyurem froze that part of Unova. I guess we should look to the movie and understand the clues... if you know what I mean :)

Squeaker Ed April 15th, 2012 7:02 PM

I'd bet that the ice is just covering that part of the map. Unova becoming half frozen in the time of two years (right?) seems entirely illogical, even in Pokemon logic.

I guess the question is that what is the ice covering. Maybe those areas of BW Unova have advanced/expanded since two years previous?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 15th, 2012 7:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7133400)



You're welcome. I am betting they added a bunch more though.

Thanks ^_^
I do wonder why the Extralink is dry...(will we need to do missions to make the water rise?)
It does seem like there is something hidden under the clouds, specially in the northeast corner...

Oryx April 15th, 2012 11:52 PM

I find it interesting that the starter towns from last game are frozen over. After the game starts usually no one really cares about the starter towns, so to make them an important part of the game would be amazinggg.

fireyboy345 April 16th, 2012 5:07 AM

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I don't always post on pokecommunity, but I just wanted to give my two cents. I think it would be safe to say that the ice is just a coverup. After looking at the iced map I do not believe that I saw the town with the new water gym leader. Also I took the liberty of making a comparison with the two maps of Unova. I neglected to circle that fact that Castelia City has more boats in the harbor, whether that is relevant or not i am unaware. ENJOY!

Jellicent♀ April 16th, 2012 5:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7134163)
I find it interesting that the starter towns from last game are frozen over. After the game starts usually no one really cares about the starter towns, so to make them an important part of the game would be amazinggg.

I completely forget about that town that's just north of Nuvema. Maybe them giving that side of the map some attention (via Ice Age) will help me remember. It'd be cool if the freezing (if any at all) actually started around that area! Or maybe it started from the Giant Chasm, seeing as that was where Kyurem once lived.

Mew~ April 16th, 2012 5:51 AM

I thought we were clear on the map, it isn't frozen, it's just to cover the map up for a later reveal right?

Also, is that area in east Unova on the mountain the Abundant Shrine? It's sort of in the same place, or just slightly higher idk.

Jellicent♀ April 16th, 2012 5:53 AM

Well until it's confirmed, I'm still going to believe that it's frozen over on that side of the region. c':

And I don't think that's Abundant Shrine. If anything, I'm thinking it will be a small village near the shrine.

Cello April 16th, 2012 7:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fireyboy345 (Post 7134380)
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I don't always post on pokecommunity, but I just wanted to give my two cents. I think it would be safe to say that the ice is just a coverup. After looking at the iced map I do not believe that I saw the town with the new water gym leader. Also I took the liberty of making a comparison with the two maps of Unova. I neglected to circle that fact that Castelia City has more boats in the harbor, whether that is relevant or not i am unaware. ENJOY!

I thought you were going to start with a most interesting man in the world statement.

Pretty interesting to see the changes side by side. I was too lazy to try and compare them. x]
I certainly hope the ice is just a cover-up, though according to serebii it actually isn't. However, if that's true and they do fit all of the new gyms into those new areas, I feel like this is going to be a relatively short game story-wise, not unless they choose to open the frozen areas up sometime during the game and not after.

I wonder how if there are any people still living in the frozen over areas? Kind of a scary thought.
Perhaps they're frozen as well?

Yikes.

Livewire_ April 16th, 2012 8:48 AM

I'm pretty sure the ice is just there to tie in with the Kyurem theme, it isn't literally there. Just to cover up new areas and the like.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ April 16th, 2012 10:37 AM

I hope it's just covering stuff up. Having those lands actually be completely iced over gives the whole game a post-apocalyptic feel, which I don't feel suits the Pokemon franchise. Besides, having less territory to explore isn't usually a good thing.

Iceshadow3317 April 16th, 2012 10:59 AM

Now I wouldn't be at all surprised if the area where Kyreum was found is a Ice Castle or something instead of just a cave.

But I think everything else i just normal. Just hideing new things like other people have said.

chaos11011 April 16th, 2012 11:01 AM

I'm curious on how we're going to go to Opelucid City, if at all. Since the path to get to Opelucid is frozen and even then, the exit from the cave to get to Iccirus City to get to the path is frozen too. :I

There is that little path in the grass though, but it wasn't accessable in BW, so it's not likely that we would be able to cross it, though, that sole chuck of ice next to Opelucid looks interesting.

If you look really closely, there's a small ident in the chuck of ice that looks like an opening. Maybe we'll be able to explore it as a cave?

Clacla April 16th, 2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chaos11011 (Post 7134862)
I'm curious on how we're going to go to Opelucid City, if at all. Since the path to get to Opelucid is frozen and even then, the exit from the cave to get to Iccirus City to get to the path is frozen too. :I

There is that little path in the grass though, but it wasn't accessable in BW, so it's not likely that we would be able to cross it, though, that sole chuck of ice next to Opelucid looks interesting.

If you look really closely, there's a small ident in the chuck of ice that looks like an opening. Maybe we'll be able to explore it as a cave?

It would be interesting if you could go to the frozen areas, and its the towns underneath, but uninhabited other than Pokemon, or something.

Zelda April 16th, 2012 12:09 PM

WHAT IF THERE WAS A TIME FREEZE???

Really, it would be funny if GameFreak used the ice to point out something else that may happen in the game (like a time freeze), and it doesn't actually have anything to do with being a cover up or being literally frozen. Maybe that part of the region has been frozen in time, and time doesn't pass at all, until things are fixed with Kyurem.

Jellicent♀ April 16th, 2012 12:21 PM

But Kyruem has nothing to do with time. how would they be able to explain that? xD
Unless Kyurem's ice is SO powerful that it can freeze time itself, which is just...yeah.
I'm still thinking that the region is actually frozen, but still what COULD they be hiding if it weren't? One more building on a map that we would need a life size replica of the map in order to notice it? What would be the point, saying "oh look new subway"? The whole map for one feature? Why not just that one spot?

Zelda April 16th, 2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7134958)
But Kyruem has nothing to do with time. how would they be able to explain that? xD
Unless Kyurem's ice is SO powerful that it can freeze time itself, which is just...yeah.
I'm still thinking that the region is actually frozen, but still what COULD they be hiding if it weren't? One more building on a map that we would need a life size replica of the map in order to notice it? What would be the point, saying "oh look new subway"? The whole map for one feature? Why not just that one spot?

Maybe GF made it such a large cover up so we wouldn't expect anything different underneath. If one or two areas were frozen alone, we would all speculate on only that. But there's so much more to speculate with that whole part of the region being frozen. So perhaps it's a purposeful thing?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 16th, 2012 12:40 PM

^ I agree, there must be something else going on with the map...they mentioned it was frozen for a reason in the magazine, if it was cover up that would be disappointing...then again they have hyped things before...

Jellicent♀ April 16th, 2012 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7134981)

Maybe GF made it such a large cover up so we wouldn't expect anything different underneath. If one or two areas were frozen alone, we would all speculate on only that. But there's so much more to speculate with that whole part of the region being frozen. So perhaps it's a purposeful thing?

Oh it definitely has a purpose or else they wouldn't allow our minds to travel so far and quickly about this. OR AT LEAST I HOPE SO.
But we'll never know for sure until they actually reveal what the heck it's all about.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 16th, 2012 12:50 PM

So the ice is meant to make us raise our expectations for new areas? Well it seems to be working on some of us... I just hope it's worthwhile like new gyms, a battle frontier,ect.

Jellicent♀ April 16th, 2012 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7134997)
So the ice is meant to make us raise our expectations for new areas? Well it seems to be working on some of us... I just hope it's worthwhile like new gyms, a battle frontier,ect.

That's what I'm guessing. But I'm also guessing a lot of things about the ice. lol
Though, my main theory and I will stick with this until proven otherwise, is that the ice is actually in the game, not just ON the artwork to cover for something.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 16th, 2012 1:01 PM

^ I would like the ice to do both, being made by Kyurem as a shield away from Humans who may threaten it like Plasma did with the dragons. While at the same time there are new areas we can access after the ice starts to break.

chaos11011 April 16th, 2012 1:06 PM

I'm sticking with the Ice in-game theory too, as I really want to scale these glacier mountains and/or explore underthem via Subway.

Or, better yet, the Ice isn't touching the ground, rather, it's above the cities, replicating a roof of some sorts. Kind of like a boundry so the people inside can't leave or something. Thus suiting with Kyurem's title, The Boundry Pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 16th, 2012 1:11 PM

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I'm sticking with the Ice in-game theory too, as I really want to scale these glacier mountains and/or explore underthem via Subway.

Or, better yet, the Ice isn't touching the ground, rather, it's above the cities, replicating a roof of some sorts. Kind of like a boundry so the people inside can't leave or something. Thus suiting with Kyurem's title, The Boundry Pokemon.

That's what I thought too when I first saw the ice on the map. The ice being over the clouds could be symbolic of just how high up the barrier/walls are.

Esper April 16th, 2012 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fireyboy345 (Post 7134380)
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I don't always post on pokecommunity, but I just wanted to give my two cents. I think it would be safe to say that the ice is just a coverup. After looking at the iced map I do not believe that I saw the town with the new water gym leader. Also I took the liberty of making a comparison with the two maps of Unova. I neglected to circle that fact that Castelia City has more boats in the harbor, whether that is relevant or not i am unaware. ENJOY!

If you look there appears to be a new island under the ice around where Undella Town would be. Abyssal Ruins resurfacing, perhaps?

Jellicent♀ April 16th, 2012 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 7135078)
If you look there appears to be a new island under the ice around where Undella Town would be. Abyssal Ruins resurfacing, perhaps?

My favorite town in the game and I actually missed that. Huh. Well that's exciting!
I'm wondering if yeah, maybe they did surface! I mean, it's been two years, a lot can happen, ruins can surface,e specially considering how many currents ran through that place.

chaos11011 April 16th, 2012 1:50 PM

I'm actually curious where the Pokemon League would be. If my boundary theory is correct, it would stay in the same location. If not, I have a feeling it will be in that dried up circle area (Entralink was the name, iirc?)

Unknown Trainer April 16th, 2012 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fireyboy345 (Post 7134380)
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I don't always post on pokecommunity, but I just wanted to give my two cents. I think it would be safe to say that the ice is just a coverup. After looking at the iced map I do not believe that I saw the town with the new water gym leader. Also I took the liberty of making a comparison with the two maps of Unova. I neglected to circle that fact that Castelia City has more boats in the harbor, whether that is relevant or not i am unaware. ENJOY!

I really like that you pointed out the differences of the maps there. As for me, in my opinion I think the ice is just a cover up. Although, maybe the reason for the cover up is because GF isn't done editing the map the whole way yet? :o
Think of it as a sneak peek for what they gave us now but they could TOTALLY change the east side of Unova in just 2 months.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 16th, 2012 5:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 7135078)
If you look there appears to be a new island under the ice around where Undella Town would be. Abyssal Ruins resurfacing, perhaps?

That actually makes sense as the sea level drops with the more ice there is like in the last ice age, so perhaps the drop in sea level caused by Kyurem's mini ice age is causing the ruins to rise forth again.

Jellicent♀ April 16th, 2012 5:33 PM

I'm actually starting to wonder, now that i go through my game again:
Maybe the new map is putting in some details the original map discluded? Like the ships in Castelia are pretty accurate when you consider events and whatnot. As for the islands right next to Undella, I semi-remember there being a few land masses AROUND the spot where you dove out in the water. The two islands to the southwest, wasn't one of those Liberty island? Weren't both accessible via event somehow? Plus the airplane on the runway I think IS Skyla's giant cargo plane.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 16th, 2012 5:43 PM

^ That's true, I remember those things. Though the islands don't seem very noteworthy for them to add them just now...

apahllo April 16th, 2012 6:51 PM

it would nice to have the other regions in this game after your done with the ice. its kind of sad that we have all this cool new stuff in the ds games but are so limited to where we can go...(aside from the g/s remakes) they could structure it to wear giovani would be like 60lvl or so and the elite 4 in kanto would be uber awesome. providing a serious end game challenge.

idk how the level structure would be for the other gyms outside of the region but a seriously improved game is long over due from gamefreak.


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