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PaxAmericana May 30th, 2012 7:24 AM

With them bringing back Magby-Magmar-Magmortar, I get the feeling they will bring back Elekid-Electabuzz-Electivire as well, and so my question is: Does anyone else feel the same way?

PlatinumDude May 30th, 2012 7:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7197288)
Anyway, I'm really hoping they bring in Magikarp and Gyarados. <3
Maybe not give them as many routes and towns as they have been given since the franchise began, but a little something, maybe like one or two routes.

This, I'd like to see. After all, Magikarp and Gyarados were in the Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh Dexes. I don't see any reason to exclude them from the new Unova Dex. At least I don't have to waste P500 to buy one like in the original B/W.

Ho-Oh May 30th, 2012 7:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7197288)
Oui.
And I would have thought that when they made Black and White, but Emolga's only importance was that it was in Elesa's team and that you could trade a Boldore for one. Other than that it was pretty absent. If they do bring back Pikachu I hope they give it a little more importance than it has been given. As much as I don't like it, it IS the franchise's mascot You'd expect to see a little more of it.

Anyway, I'm really hoping they bring in Magikarp and Gyarados. <3
Maybe not give them as many routes and towns as they have been given since the franchise began, but a little something, maybe like one or two routes.

Yeah I want Gyarados too, maybe someone around route 17/18 if they're still accessible might own one, too. But yeah other than maybe being on the fishing rod I don't really think they fit in much. XD;

Jellicent♀ May 30th, 2012 7:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 7197293)
This, I'd like to see. After all, Magikarp and Gyarados were in the Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh Dexes. I don't see any reason to exclude them from the new Unova Dex. At least I don't have to waste P500 to buy one like in the original B/W.

That one's my favorite. ;;
But yeah! They've appeared wild in every game, let them have a shot in this one, even if it is on just one route!

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7197302)


Yeah I want Gyarados too, maybe someone around route 17/18 if they're still accessible might own one, too. But yeah other than maybe being on the fishing rod I don't really think they fit in much. XD;

No they don't at all, really. xD
But it'd be nice if they were placed in at least one little route where you can catch them off of a rod or something. Maybe the little surfing spots or something.

Ho-Oh May 30th, 2012 7:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7197312)
No they don't at all, really. xD
But it'd be nice if they were placed in at least one little route where you can catch them off of a rod or something. Maybe the little surfing spots or something.

Or maybe a larger event than what was at the bridge in B/W when you got Magikarp. A Gyarados/Magikarp fishing contest, winner gets one and a prize for whichever is biggest? And for that to be the only place to catch them obv. Maybe near where Shizui is found. :3

Jellicent♀ May 30th, 2012 7:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7197322)


Or maybe a larger event than what was at the bridge in B/W when you got Magikarp. A Gyarados/Magikarp fishing contest, winner gets one and a prize for whichever is biggest? And for that to be the only place to catch them obv. Maybe near where Shizui is found. :3

-twitch-
That would be beautiful! D8
Gyarados AND Shizui (dat tan) in one sitting? You ma'am, are a genius.
I'm hoping they add a lot more Water-type Pokemon into the games, as well. I'd love to see Goldeen and Seaking make a return. <3
There are plenty of little ponds for them to live in, too! Lotad and its family would be pretty epic to have added to the games, as well. No Tentacool. Leave that little guy out. :c

PlatinumDude May 30th, 2012 7:56 AM

Since we're talking about whether or not Magikarp and Gyarados would be in the game, how about Feebas and Milotic? All 4 Pokemon were together in the Hoenn and Sinnoh dexes, plus they're counterparts to one another (Magikarp to Feebas and Gyarados to Milotic).

Ho-Oh May 30th, 2012 7:59 AM

I really don't see them making a return. Given that they were the rarest in Hoenn and that we think R/S remakes are soon, imo I think they'll save them for the remakes rather than give them an appearance in B2W2.

Jellicent♀ May 30th, 2012 8:03 AM

Idk, I could see them making a return. Maybe have much less importance than a possible Magikarp/Gyarados return, but still be there. They may very well be in the same area with the same appearance rate, Magikarp and Feebas having 40%, Milotic and Gyarados having 10% or w/e. Either way, I don't see them really taking them out just because of the possibility of an R/S remake.

ANinyMouse May 30th, 2012 9:55 AM

So far, we have...

Riolu Lucario
Psyduck Golduck
Lapras
Belbum Metang Metagross
Larvitar Pupitar Tyranitar
Sneasel Weavile
Growlithe Arcanine
Mareep Flaafy Ampharos
Eevee Vaporeon Jolteon Flareon Espeon Umbreon Leafeon Glaceon
Grimer Muk
Koffing Weezing
Absol
Wingull Pelipper
Drifloon Drifblim
Sunkern Sunflora
Zangoose
Seviper
Buneary Lopunny
Magnemite Magneton Magnezone
Magby Magmar Magmortar
Azurill Marill Azumarill
Mantyke Mantine
Zubat Golbat Crobat


...which brings us to... only 55/150 of the old Pokemon known to us so far. That's not many! But, if we add all the Eastern Unova ones, all the Swarms, and all the ones found by fishing (all from BW), we get WAY OVER 150. Thus, I think it's safe to say that the 150 old Pokemon that are in the Unova Dex are just the ones that are found before completing the main storyline, while others will show up after beating the main game.

Zayphora May 30th, 2012 1:38 PM

I WANT my Milotics!! I got one postgame at rt 1 and it's awesome, but it took foreeeeever to catch! Sadly, they prob. won't be included...

Oryx May 30th, 2012 1:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Zayphora (Post 7197685)
I WANT my Milotics!! I got one postgame at rt 1 and it's awesome, but it took foreeeeever to catch! Sadly, they prob. won't be included...

Weren't they included in B/W? I don't see why they would take them out in the new ones...

ANinyMouse May 30th, 2012 5:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7197689)


Weren't they included in B/W? I don't see why they would take them out in the new ones...

Because not all the Gen 1-4 Pokemon are gonna fit in the expanded Unova Regional Pokedex, as I was saying above. After you beat the main storyline, however, I don't see any reason why Feebas wouldn't be included.

PaxAmericana May 31st, 2012 6:17 AM

I wonder if the will pull an Emerald on us and give us one of the Sinnoh starters after we beat the game.

Remember, in Emerald, they gave one of the Johto starters to us.

Even though B2W2 is a sequel, it could happen.

Ho-Oh May 31st, 2012 8:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Reshiram Man (Post 7198479)
I wonder if the will pull an Emerald on us and give us one of the Sinnoh starters after we beat the game.

Remember, in Emerald, they gave one of the Johto starters to us.

Even though B2W2 is a sequel, it could happen.

That would be kinda boring to do imo. XD; We receive every set of starters basically in every game (okay minus a few, but still) and having to choose from the Sinnoh group would just kinda lose the appeal of Unova just having its own + new natives. :(

PaxAmericana May 31st, 2012 8:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7198657)


That would be kinda boring to do imo. XD; We receive every set of starters basically in every game (okay minus a few, but still) and having to choose from the Sinnoh group would just kinda lose the appeal of Unova just having its own + new natives. :(

Now that I think of it, it would be kinda boring to do, but again, it was just a thought.
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I really wish they'd at least release some new Pokedexes news sometime soon before the release.
I really want these two lines to return
Bagon-Shelgon-Salamence
Dratini-Dragonair-Dragonite

They are overused, but they are amazing nonetheless.

Oryx May 31st, 2012 9:17 AM

I always found Salamence really boring. I mean, he's like...the most basic dragon-looking thing you can have. :( Idk not one I would ever use, haha.

blue May 31st, 2012 9:21 AM

I can see Taillow & Hoothoot being available early on as the bird Pokémon, I can see them fitting in quite nicely.

PaxAmericana May 31st, 2012 9:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7198691)
I can see Taillow & Hoothoot being available early on as the bird Pokémon, I can see them fitting in quite nicely.

Either them or Starly, because Starly is pretty amazing for a start off bird.
Starly could fit in okay just as well as Tailow and Hoothoot for the early on bird.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 31st, 2012 2:49 PM

Well it'll be nice if we could get the Sinnoh starters to cut off from the old DS games much like gen IV did with gen III with HgSs.
I see two of the regional birds being in one game and the other two in the other. Pigey and Hoothoot in Black 2 with Swallow and Starly in White 2 or vise versa/ another combo.

Jellicent♀ June 2nd, 2012 7:47 AM

I honestly can't see any of the regional birds returning to be THIS region's bird, especially since Unova already has one. Yeah they're bringing back a lot of Pokemon, but something with that type of status, I just can't see coming in until post-game times.

Lt. Col. Fantastic June 2nd, 2012 8:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Reshiram Man (Post 7128610)
I just now noticed this. If you look in the bottom left corner of one of the scans, there are the 2 Kyurem formes. Lucario stands in front of one, while Metagross stands in front of the other. Could this mean Lucario and/or Metagross are version exclusives?

Well, they are both dual steel types, but I don't think they will do that. Metagross has 3 forms and Lucario has two, and game freak loves symetricality. ( Is that a word? )

I also hope we don't have the same starters. I think ( dont shoot me! ) that the fire/water/grass starter tradition is getting old. We could see something like fight/dark/psychic or electric/flying/ground....you know what? That sounds lame. Keep the starters.

SchwarzRozen June 2nd, 2012 11:10 AM

Fight/Dark/Psy would never go into play as there is an Immunity, and same with Electric/Flying/Ground.

I say Pikachu will be in it, because its the one that appears everywhere. I also am going to call out Abra, mostly because I really want it xD

Oryx June 2nd, 2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lt. Col. Fantastic (Post 7201681)
Well, they are both dual steel types, but I don't think they will do that. Metagross has 3 forms and Lucario has two, and game freak loves symetricality. ( Is that a word? )

I also hope we don't have the same starters. I think ( dont shoot me! ) that the fire/water/grass starter tradition is getting old. We could see something like fight/dark/psychic or electric/flying/ground....you know what? That sounds lame. Keep the starters.

I think they've already shown the starters being chosen in a Pokemon Smash episode so I don't think that's possible anyway haha. But they are giving more elemental options early on. I just hope that they have a Fire and Grass-type early on like they have Azurill early so you can replace the starters if you want.

Jellicent♀ June 2nd, 2012 2:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7201902)


I think they've already shown the starters being chosen in a Pokemon Smash episode so I don't think that's possible anyway haha. But they are giving more elemental options early on. I just hope that they have a Fire and Grass-type early on like they have Azurill early so you can replace the starters if you want.

I believe they showed Growlithe pretty early on, plus with the Eevee shown at level 18, I would think it's relatively early, too. How early you can get the stones to evolve it, however, is still a mystery.
But yeah, the starters have been confirmed as Tepig, Snivy, and Oshawott. Why people find this surprising is still...confusing to me, really. xD
I still pray that Pikachu isn't in this game. Like, no. ;;
Skitty would be cute to have in this game, too. <3

PlatinumDude June 2nd, 2012 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7202085)
I believe they showed Growlithe pretty early on, plus with the Eevee shown at level 18, I would think it's relatively early, too. How early you can get the stones to evolve it, however, is still a mystery.
But yeah, the starters have been confirmed as Tepig, Snivy, and Oshawott. Why people find this surprising is still...confusing to me, really. xD
I still pray that Pikachu isn't in this game. Like, no. ;;
Skitty would be cute to have in this game, too. <3

What's wrong with Pikachu being in the new Unova Dex? It's the mascot of Pokemon, and I think it might be mandatory for GameFreak to put its family in there, since Pichu, Pikachu and Raichu have been in all regional Dexes.

Xander Olivieri June 2nd, 2012 3:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lt. Col. Fantastic (Post 7201681)
Well, they are both dual steel types, but I don't think they will do that. Metagross has 3 forms and Lucario has two, and game freak loves symetricality. ( Is that a word? )

I also hope we don't have the same starters. I think ( dont shoot me! ) that the fire/water/grass starter tradition is getting old. We could see something like fight/dark/psychic or electric/flying/ground....you know what? That sounds lame. Keep the starters.

If I remember right they showed another Psuedo Legendary in the poster with Lucario on one of the Dragons and Zoroark with Metagross and the other? I remember both had what appeared to be an Exclusive Triple Evolution and Dual Evolution line.

As for Psychic/Dark/Fighting, they'll never do it unless they do it as subtyped because that trio isn't balanced. Fire/Water/Grass is one of the basic balanced Elemental Trio's not to mention that if they diverge from this, Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant, and Hydro Cannon wouldn't be learnable to the new starter set, neither would the three Pledge moves.

Jellicent♀ June 2nd, 2012 3:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 7202100)
What's wrong with Pikachu being in the new Unova Dex? It's the mascot of Pokemon, and I think it might be mandatory for GameFreak to put its family in there, since Pichu, Pikachu and Raichu have been in all regional Dexes.

Oh, it's just a personally hatred I have for the little guy, really. xD
I mean yeah I agree it should be in there as a representation of its mascot status, but I just don't like it. DX

Plus, I honestly think they should have Clefairy and its family early on, too. It WAS going to be the mascot of Pokemon when they first created Pokemon, and I think it would fit well in Celestial Tower pretty well, considering it is the place where all Elgyem, and alien Pokemon, lives.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 2nd, 2012 3:30 PM

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but Buneary and Emolga have been confirmed to appear/ reappear.
Most of the Pokemon I've noticed have been ones that show up in the anime often...could they be giving us the fan favorites?

Xander Olivieri June 2nd, 2012 3:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7202126)
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but Buneary and Emolga have been confirmed to appear/ reappear.
Most of the Pokemon I've noticed have been ones that show up in the anime often...could they be giving us the fan favorites?

Emolga is Fifth Generation Pokemon. We are working under the assumption that all 153 Fifth Generation Pokemon are in the game, giving us 147 Previous generation Pokemon to look for.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 2nd, 2012 3:36 PM

I know, but it's nice to have some confirmation on that theory.
So of the 147 how many have been announced, I haven't kept count lol.

PlatinumDude June 2nd, 2012 3:37 PM

I saw the second B2/W2 trailer and I saw Dragonite towards the end. I was totally surprised. I wonder if it'll make the final cut.

If anyone doesn't believe me, check out Serebii's latest B2/W2 update.

blue June 2nd, 2012 3:39 PM

From the trailer and by the looks of things it seems Minccino will also be in the Pokédex.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 2nd, 2012 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 7202132)
I saw the second B2/W2 trailer and I saw Dragonite towards the end. I was totally surprised. I wonder if it'll make the final cut.

Yeah, I hope so too ^_^. Also Lapras but I think that one was said to be in game some time ago. Either way seeing Dragonite reinforces my view that all the Pseudo's will appear in these games...only Salamence and Garchomp need to be seen...

Jellicent♀ June 2nd, 2012 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 7202132)
I saw the second B2/W2 trailer and I saw Dragonite towards the end. I was totally surprised. I wonder if it'll make the final cut.

If anyone doesn't believe me, check out Serebii's latest B2/W2 update.

I wonder, though, if it were just a post-game shot. Maybe even a part of some new Battle System? Either way, I actually kind of want Dragonite. As much as I usually don't like it, I kinda want it back. It'd be a neat addition to a team in Unova, for sure. I'd expect to see Dratini and Dragonair around Dragonspiral, for sure, and possibly even in the waters at Victory Road.

Oryx June 2nd, 2012 4:24 PM

The giant Pikachu and Pichu statues make it seem like they will in fact have the mascot in there...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 2nd, 2012 4:40 PM

There's a giant Pichu statue now? Oh poor Raichu :(
I do think the mascot will show up. Who knows maybe we'll get a Pichu egg as a gift.

Jellicent♀ June 2nd, 2012 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7202184)
The giant Pikachu and Pichu statues make it seem like they will in fact have the mascot in there...

Of course it could very well be a repeat of Castelia City, where the man had a Pikachu, yet they weren't even a wild Pokemon in Unova. But yeah, I do agree, like I said, that they will be included into the Pokedex. Much to my dismay. ;;
I still don't want them. ;;

Shiny Celebi June 2nd, 2012 4:55 PM

I dont want to see Pikachu either >.< oh well, I dont have to catch one. Interesting to see so many psudo legends in this game.

Jellicent♀ June 2nd, 2012 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiny Celebi (Post 7202221)
I dont want to see Pikachu either >.< oh well, I dont have to catch one. Interesting to see so many psudo legends in this game.

I know right?! All they need is Garchomp and Salamence and then they've got them all. I'd personally like Salamence. <3

The Fallen June 2nd, 2012 5:11 PM

There will likely be some Pikachu; given the fact that it's the face of Pokémon.

Garchomp would be amazing. Not my favorite of the pseudo dragons, but different a great Pokémon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 2nd, 2012 5:15 PM

^ xD that's what I said earlier. Yeah Salamence would be cool to see :3. oh and Garchomp...they were the only two pseudo's not available post game BW...
One could make a whole team of Pseudo's to take on Plasma and the E4...

Hikamaru June 2nd, 2012 5:17 PM

I read a Bulbanews article regarding the recent Pokemon Smash episode.

Buneary and Lapras have been confirmed in the new Unova Pokedex, so I guess that means Lopunny will appear as well.

Ho-Oh June 4th, 2012 2:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikari10 (Post 7202252)
I read a Bulbanews article regarding the recent Pokemon Smash episode.

Buneary and Lapras have been confirmed in the new Unova Pokedex, so I guess that means Lopunny will appear as well.

Ya, there's no reason why they wouldn't put in its evo. Buneary doesn't really fit into Unova though, idk only post-game really looks like a place where you'd find wild bunnies. XD;

Hikamaru June 4th, 2012 2:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7204054)


Ya, there's no reason why they wouldn't put in its evo. Buneary doesn't really fit into Unova though, idk only post-game really looks like a place where you'd find wild bunnies. XD;

I guess the reason they included Buneary and Lopunny was probably due to the heavy marketing it got in the 4th Gen.

Buneary also belonged to a main character in the anime (Dawn).

What they are trying to do with the new Pokedex is include Pokemon popular with fans, such as Lucario and Eevee.

Going by this meaning I could possibly see the Pikachu line getting included given that Pikachu appears in most regional Pokedexes not to mention it being the franchise's mascot.

With this Pokedex, they are sort of learning from what the fans want. They are still trying to target the usual kids audience but also trying to appeal to the older fans too. With 300 Pokemon included in this Dex, it's something most fans really wanted - a massive diversity in available Pokemon.

Do you think I have a point?

Jellicent♀ June 4th, 2012 5:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikari10 (Post 7204059)
I guess the reason they included Buneary and Lopunny was probably due to the heavy marketing it got in the 4th Gen.

Buneary also belonged to a main character in the anime (Dawn).

What they are trying to do with the new Pokedex is include Pokemon popular with fans, such as Lucario and Eevee.

Going by this meaning I could possibly see the Pikachu line getting included given that Pikachu appears in most regional Pokedexes not to mention it being the franchise's mascot.

With this Pokedex, they are sort of learning from what the fans want. They are still trying to target the usual kids audience but also trying to appeal to the older fans too. With 300 Pokemon included in this Dex, it's something most fans really wanted - a massive diversity in available Pokemon.

Do you think I have a point?

Of course you have a point. xD
And really I'd have to agree to a point. But Buneary wasn't the selling point of the fourth gen, it was Arceus. Every ten year old wants one. SO HOPEFULLY, IT WON'T SHOW UP IN THIS GAME, EITHER.

But it even seems like they're somewhat bringing in favorites of their own, which is something I would do if I were them. xD
As long as they bring in Budew or Roselia as a wild Pokemon, I'll be perfectly fine with it. c:

Ho-Oh June 4th, 2012 7:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7204143)
Of course you have a point. xD
And really I'd have to agree to a point. But Buneary wasn't the selling point of the fourth gen, it was Arceus. Every ten year old wants one. SO HOPEFULLY, IT WON'T SHOW UP IN THIS GAME, EITHER.

But it even seems like they're somewhat bringing in favorites of their own, which is something I would do if I were them. xD
As long as they bring in Budew or Roselia as a wild Pokemon, I'll be perfectly fine with it. c:

Hmmm yeah also the fact that a wifi event existed for it recently too plus also the fact that it never was found native to a region anyway, so I think we'll be pretty Arceus-free. :x

Vato June 4th, 2012 1:18 PM

Is It Just Me?
 
Take a look at some of the foreign Pokemon to be in Unova in B2W2.
There are several Pokemon that haven't been paid much attention since their introduction (Like Mareep, Sunkern and Wingull)

Does this mean that Pokemon that aren't very popular or haven't appeared in a regional dex in a while will re-appear?
Like... Caterpie? :O

blue June 4th, 2012 1:55 PM

Not necessarily, some are more popular than others for many different reasons, mainly by appearance or stats but I doubt that's the case. It's probably more of a coincidence but they just wanted to mix it up by adding multi regional Pokémon and they happened to fall into that category.

miltankRancher June 4th, 2012 5:06 PM

Not exactly. remember, we also have some well-sought Pokemon like Eevee and Riolu, deemed rare throughout the fandom. We also have Beldum and Larvitar who we all know to evolve to some pseudo-legendaries. I think they just like to put in some diversity in Unova.

Hikamaru June 4th, 2012 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7204143)
As long as they bring in Budew or Roselia as a wild Pokemon, I'll be perfectly fine with it. c:

I can definitely see Budew/Roselia/Roserade as a possibility given that Roselia appeared in Sinnoh a lot and Roserade has one of the highest Sp. Atk stats of any Grass-types.

It was even a popular member of all my 4th Gen main teams, so if they include it I'd definitely consider using it.

SouKoLian9102 June 4th, 2012 11:44 PM

I hope they have either a Gible or a Bagon early-mid game. Ralts and Starly (Close Combat FTW) would be nice, too.

Ho-Oh June 5th, 2012 5:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SouKoLian9102 (Post 7205005)
I hope they have either a Gible or a Bagon early-mid game. Ralts and Starly (Close Combat FTW) would be nice, too.

Probably earliest would be around Mistralton Cave if we can still access it, considering what B/W's Unova had. I can't really think of anywhere else dragons would fit tbh.

PlatinumDude June 5th, 2012 6:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7205158)


Probably earliest would be around Mistralton Cave if we can still access it, considering what B/W's Unova had. I can't really think of anywhere else dragons would fit tbh.

I think Route 10 and Victory Road would also be good locations for both Bagon or Gible, as well as their evolved forms, even though that would be a bit too late in the game.

Cid June 5th, 2012 7:05 AM

They might pull off a surprise location for catching the little Dragon-types, though. I mean, wasn't Azurill and Riolu surprising in terms of their locations? Who would have thought that an early Route's tall grass would give out Pokémon like them that quickly?

Although I do remember Marill was an early catch back in RSE.

Jellicent♀ June 5th, 2012 7:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cid (Post 7205207)
They might pull off a surprise location for catching the little Dragon-types, though. I mean, wasn't Azurill and Riolu surprising in terms of their locations? Who would have thought that an early Route's tall grass would give out Pokémon like them that quickly?

Although I do remember Marill was an early catch back in RSE.

I'm guessing the Marill line is early because, let's face it, they're not strong, at all. They get great moves, but that's about it. So I could see why they're early.

Riolu being early is a little surprising, however. but I guess that's just so you can build its happiness up, which you could just do by walking around for 45 minutes, give or take.

Even Milstraton Cave was relatively early, if you think about it. I mean, in these games you don't need a badge to use an HM, so if you were traded a Pokemon that knew Surf, you could just as easily go right to it before you even entered Chargestone Cave for the first time and catch yourself an Axew.

Plus, in Gold and Silver you can get a Dratini right there in Goldenrod, so I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Dratini and the like early on, too.

Kenmoor June 12th, 2012 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7205218)
Even Milstraton Cave was relatively early, if you think about it. I mean, in these games you don't need a badge to use an HM, so if you were traded a Pokemon that knew Surf, you could just as easily go right to it before you even entered Chargestone Cave for the first time and catch yourself an Axew.

Plus, in Gold and Silver you can get a Dratini right there in Goldenrod, so I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Dratini and the like early on, too.

Speaking of which, you don't think they would block off areas with pre-evolution pseudo legendaries like Bagon/Beldum/etc. If they caught on to our cheating (I suppose... at the very least unfair) and patched it then won't we have to get some HM Pokemon?

What else will be gifted or traded to us? (Did I remember right that Dratini was a gift?) I mean Eevee can be caught in the wild now (right? my memory is a bit fuzzy) so characters like Bill can't give us that. In HG/SS Claire's grandfather gave us a Dratini with Extremespeed (there we go!) Any hints on other possible gifted Pokemon with special/unique moves or move sets?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 12th, 2012 4:05 PM

^ Perhaps we get an event Togepi like in the Johto games and Pt (not sure if DP had an event Togepi too...). It could have an egg move like extrasensory.

As for Pseudo's I can see them putting them in a hard to reach location/secluded location like they did with Bagon deep in meteor falls, Gible in that cave under the bycycle road.

Kenmoor June 12th, 2012 5:46 PM

True. Plus I want more opportunities (in-game too) to get Pokemon w/egg moves. I don't raise up eggs. NEVER. Unless the Pokemon inside gets you something. Sort of Example: Prof. Elm and the Togepi.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 12th, 2012 7:01 PM

I don't beleive there were any gift Pokemon in BW usually there's at least one gift Pokemon whether it's hatched or not...
Perhaps we get a castform egg with moves like Hydro pump (I'm not even sure if it can learn this), Fire blast, and Blizzard ^_^ (oh I wish)

Ho-Oh June 12th, 2012 7:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7212245)
^ Perhaps we get an event Togepi like in the Johto games and Pt (not sure if DP had an event Togepi too...). It could have an egg move like extrasensory.

As for Pseudo's I can see them putting them in a hard to reach location/secluded location like they did with Bagon deep in meteor falls, Gible in that cave under the bycycle road.

Uh, I don't really see how Togepi fits in. It's a special Johto thing and other than being the "second", B2W2 doesn't have that many similarities to Johto afaik and having a special Togepi kinda would have no meaning.

Jellicent♀ June 12th, 2012 9:59 PM

THEY HAVE SKITTY IN WHITE 2, DATZ WHAT'S UP.
Now I'm even more stoked, you just don't even know. It's a shame I can't get both Buneary AND Skitty in one game, though. :c

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 12th, 2012 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7212429)

Uh, I don't really see how Togepi fits in. It's a special Johto thing and other than being the "second", B2W2 doesn't have that many similarities to Johto afaik and having a special Togepi kinda would have no meaning.


Well they it was in Platinum (though to be honest it was given an evolution in gen IV so that was justification...) so why not B2W2?

All special Pokemon are cool, also Togepi's tend to be rare...

Yay Skitty and Delcatty for White 2 ^_^

Ho-Oh June 12th, 2012 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7212601)
Well they it was in Platinum (though to be honest it was given an evolution in gen IV so that was justification...) so why not B2W2?

All special Pokemon are cool, also Togepi's tend to be rare...

Yay Skitty and Delcatty for White 2 ^_^


Oh well I guess that makes sense, but like, there's a lot of other rare Pokemon that could also fill that spot, like Rotom, etc. Togepi isn't really that special imo. :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 12th, 2012 10:28 PM

Oh I forgot all about Rotom (in Bw that was in an game trade). Maybe someone gives it to the player to take care of because it's too much for them to handle.
Perhaps Zorua will be a gift Pokemon this time around...

Ho-Oh June 12th, 2012 10:33 PM

Yeah after all the attention Zorua and Zoroark already got, I don't really see it getting an event or anything special in B2W2, as a gift Pokemon it would be okay.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 12th, 2012 10:37 PM

Maybe it'll have an egg move like Snarl (which happens to not be released yet...hopefully they add it to B2W2).

Kenmoor June 13th, 2012 7:40 AM

I don't see Zoroark as a gift. I might be wrong as they used to give out that Lv.100 Arceus. I can see Zorua as one... I wonder if we do get these Pokemon in-game where would they be at? Or they could just put in a new location...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 13th, 2012 7:47 AM

I wonder how many species are there per route...it'll be interesting to see what we meet.

I'll like for Milktank and Taurus to appear since classics like Chansey are said to be in these games so why not the classic bolvine Pokemon.

Hikamaru June 13th, 2012 1:50 PM

I've heard that the Electabuzz and Skitty lines have been confirmed for the new Pokedex, they will be exclusive to White 2.

The Buneary and Magmar lines will be exclusive to Black 2.

So yeah, first version exclusives confirmed!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 13th, 2012 1:58 PM

I wonder since they didn't say anything about the rest so far if they are within all games...there really doesn't seem to be that many version exclusive Pokemon in these games if so.
I can see Sableye and Mawhile being version exclusive Pokemon too like they were in the old games.

Zephele June 13th, 2012 2:38 PM

Splitting up some of the previously version-exclusive Pokemon would make sense, but I also like what they did with Skitty and Buneary (separating two similarly cute, two-stage Pokemon). With that said, maybe they'll split up Koffing and Grimer, for example? Though it is curious that version exclusives have only been brought up now.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 13th, 2012 3:49 PM

Or maybe two blob poison types like Grimer and Glupin and the snake Pokemon Seviper and Arbok will be seperated too.

ANinyMouse June 14th, 2012 10:08 PM

They've revealed about 74 of the supposed 145 Gen I-IV Pokemon they're going to include. Roughly 50% already! But with almost double the Pokemon still up for grabs, I wonder what we'll see? They oddly haven't revealed any Bug-types yet, for one.

Based on the upcoming TCG set based on BW2, I'd say we're gonna also get:
Rattata
Raticate
Scyther
Scizor
Heracross
Croagunk
Toxicroak

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 15th, 2012 8:42 AM

Scizor and Heracross :D! I sure hope so, I've been desiring for them to be in this game for quite awhile now.

They haven't shown much dark, or ghost types either... I'll like for the Duskull line to be in these games. And so far we only have Ralts for Psychic, and Riolu for fighting...

PlatinumDude June 15th, 2012 4:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7213464)
Or maybe two blob poison types like Grimer and Glupin and the snake Pokemon Seviper and Arbok will be seperated too.

/late.

Even though Seviper and Arbok are both snake-based, I don't see both being version exclusive counterparts because Arbok already evolves from another Pokemon (Ekans), while Seviper doesn't evolve into or from anything. Instead, I can see Zangoose and Seviper as the version exclusive counterparts because of their rivalry.

Regarding the revealed version exclusives, I'm happy that the Elekid line will be in W2, but not so fond about the Skitty line (even though I'm okay with cats, I don't like the Skitty line in terms of battling. They're still cute, though)

Zayphora June 15th, 2012 4:32 PM

I'm mad that the Skitty line is in W2. I wanted one! I hope someone can trade me one.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 15th, 2012 4:56 PM

^ Don't worry I got you covered.
I'm quite surprised that they chose Loppuny out of all Pokemon for a version exclusive, seems like of random...
Oh right in Ruby and Sapphire those Zangoose and Seviper were exclusives so they might be again.

Ho-Oh June 15th, 2012 11:01 PM

tbh even though Skitty is an exclusive for White 2, maybe it'll still have an in-game trade (same for Lopunny) because it's such an unusual exclusive.

Hikamaru June 15th, 2012 11:32 PM

I think I can break it down on why they made Skitty and Buneary version-exclusive.

Both are Normal-types in a 2-stage evolution line and both their evolutions have Cute Charm for a non-Dream World ability while the other normal ability has negative effects. Also, both have a feminine appearance.

So, I guess that explains why they are sort-of counterparts.

The Magby and Elekid lines were obvious though.

I'm hoping more version-exclusives will be revealed in coming days.

ANinyMouse June 16th, 2012 6:35 PM

The infamous "type chart" image reveals that we're also getting:

Onix
Steelix
Rattata
Raticate
Spoink
Grumpig

AND, somebody pointed out something I found quite amazing that we've all missed: Remoraid and Octillery must be included, because Mantyke can't evolve without them!

Hikamaru June 16th, 2012 6:40 PM

It's been a long time since we had Spoink in a regional Pokedex.

The last time Spoink was in a regional Pokedex was in R/S/E, 7 years ago.

But still, I'm loving the new Unova Pokedex!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 16th, 2012 7:40 PM

Yes Spoink needs to return, I like the little bouncy pig.
Perhaps the reason for all the Hoenn Pokemon in the dex is because a majority missed out on the Sinnoh and old Unova dex.

Hikamaru June 16th, 2012 7:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7216553)
Yes Spoink needs to return, I like the little bouncy pig.
Perhaps the reason for all the Hoenn Pokemon in the dex is because a majority missed out on the Sinnoh and old Unova dex.

This makes me think that Shroomish and Electrike should also be included since they haven't been in any regional dex other than Hoenn. I like both of their evolutions and I'm sad they haven't had much since R/S/E.

Think of all the Hoenn Pokemon that missed out on the Sinnoh Dex.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 16th, 2012 7:54 PM

Shoomish FTW! I would love to have a Breloom. Electrike would also be nice, I didn't fell Unova had many good electric types...luckily we got Elekid line, Magnemite line, and the Flaffy lines.

Hikamaru June 16th, 2012 8:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7216568)
Shoomish FTW! I would love to have a Breloom. Electrike would also be nice, I didn't fell Unova had many good electric types...luckily we got Elekid line, Magnemite line, and the Flaffy lines.

Yeah, Unova was a bit lacking in good Electric-types. I ended up using a Gothitelle knowing Thunderbolt to cover my No-Electric team member.

The Elekid and Mareep lines have been popular for many fans.

And yeah, Breloom is an awesome Grass-type. It gets great moves like Mach Punch and Sky Uppercut.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 16th, 2012 8:16 PM

^ It's also a great fighting type with those moves ^_^ and it's abilities aren't all that bad.
Hopefully they continue to add more fan favorites like Milotic, and Gyrados.

Haseyo June 16th, 2012 8:42 PM

Breloom was very underrated for a long time (until he was being used often competitively). He's been my favorite for a long time. Sure he dies to a peck but it's allll gooooooood.

I do hope Shroomish is able to be accessed early, so on my other restart Black version (White / White 2 are/will be my main versions, while I use Black to restart to do the adventure again) I can have one in my party. I'm going to start White 2 with Snivy and I don't like having two grass types in my party. I swear everything can learn Flamethrower, and developers are not scared to slap it on Gym leaders / E4 / Bosses (whoever they may be).

ANinyMouse June 16th, 2012 9:11 PM

There are only 60 open spots left, if all the Pokemon revealed so far are indeed part of the new Unova Dex. 60 sounds like a lot, but really, picking the next 60 is tough! You just can't pick all the coolest ones, nor can you load up on Hoenn exclusively and hope to have any kind of balance type-wise.

Here are my guesses. Though I do like the idea of Electrike, sadly there are just so many pure Electric-types already confirmed that I don't think it's likely for him to show up... unless they ditch Pikachu! o_O;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/ANinyMouse/adampoke.png

Based on the pattern of what they've revealed so far, I've noticed they've chosen a good number of pure, mono-type Pokemon. So, since they've revealed no Bug-types yet, I went with both Pinsir & Volbeat & Illumise. Scyther & Scizor are in the BW2 TCG, and so is Heracross & Croagunk. The rest are just what I think would work really well.

The exceptions are probably Rotom & Ditto. I really think they'd add a lot to the region, but they're both very rare, so who knows how likely that is. Rotom has never been a wild Pokemon, either. But, both of them are involved in an in-game trade in BW. Rotom changes forms at the Unova Department Store on Route 9, too. Besides being a really cool, under-represented Pokemon, he also adds a ton of type diversity by himself, like Eevee does, only he only takes up one Pokedex slot.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 16th, 2012 9:37 PM

Ditto was an Eastern Unova pokemon in BW so it's likely considering the vast amount of pokemon that were in that part in the orginal games being part of the dex.
Also despite the highest dex number proably being 300-Genesect (since Meloetta is 299) there are 301 Pokemon in this dex counting Victini with the 300.

Oryx June 16th, 2012 9:53 PM

Ditto has to be in there, because we neeeeeed it for breeding. I don't see Carvanha though because it's a lot like Basculin.

PlatinumDude June 16th, 2012 9:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7216681)
Ditto has to be in there, because we neeeeeed it for breeding. I don't see Carvanha though because it's a lot like Basculin.

But Basculin doesn't evolve into anything!

But seriously, I can kind of see Carvanha and Sharpedo coming back in the Unova Dex because they were in eastern Unova in the original B/W.

Hikamaru June 16th, 2012 9:58 PM

Toujours is right, we need Ditto cos it makes our breeding so easy.

Oryx June 16th, 2012 9:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 7216683)
But Basculin doesn't evolve into anything!

But seriously, I can kind of see Carvanha and Sharpedo coming back in the Unova Dex because they were in eastern Unova in the original B/W.

Yeah but they're both angry (Hostile Pokemon and Savage Pokemon), fast fish types that look really similar. Doesn't make sense for them to be there together...although I guess Alomomola and Luvdisc were both in B/W so anything is possible.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 16th, 2012 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 7216683)
But Basculin doesn't evolve into anything!

But seriously, I can kind of see Carvanha and Sharpedo coming back in the Unova Dex because they were in eastern Unova in the original B/W.

I agree, those two will proably return due to them being in a east. Besides we need more water Pokemon, Unova really lacked in that department...
I wonder how they will explain all the new Pokemon in story...

ANinyMouse June 16th, 2012 10:13 PM

I think the only thing about my list I'm not sure about is that it still has just Dragonite & Altaria as the only new Dragon-type additions. Seems like there ought to be one more, but all the other ones aren't likely except Flygon, imo. He takes up 3 pokedex spots, though, and I already picked a bunch of Ground-types.

Zayphora June 17th, 2012 4:02 AM

Stuff I hope is in, but will prob. not get in-

Milotic, because it's awesome. Hopefully someplace where you can catch it like off Rt 1 like it was.
Poocheena line, because they're adorable.
A random dragon type line that we don't see often- maybe Flygon line?
Starly line. I don't like the unova bird. I want my own.

Stuff I want that might get in-

Ditto
Rotom
Porygon, as a gift again. Those things are cool, even though they often are benchwarmers.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 17th, 2012 8:44 PM

I'll like to see Trapinch, Crawdaunt, Jynx (hasn't been in a dex I beleive since Johto's). Also the one's that have been in every regional dex since their introduction will proably be making a comeback...so lets prepare for Zubat, Geodude, Magikarp, Machop, Ralt (it was shown in the Radar thing so this one is likely), Abra, Snorunt, Pichu, etc.

Perriechu June 17th, 2012 9:41 PM

Yes @Skitty. It'll be on my team. :DD I'm hoping for Bagon's evolution line to be in.

Ho-Oh June 18th, 2012 3:46 AM

Agreed on Ditto a few posts back. Not sure where it'd be found, probably at the area around Nuvema this time.


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