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Evil team change?
As you know, Team Plasma were the evil team in Pokemon Black and White. But what if they weren't in Black2 and White2 (or played less significant roles)? The red and blue coloured numbers on the box art led me to this: what if Team Aqua and Team Magma returned? Firstly, there are two games instead of one, so one team could return in each of the new games, just like Ruby and Sapphire. Not only that, but according to Serebii, red and blue statues can be seen all over Unova from the viewing platform in the new starting town. But what do you think?
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Well speculation has it that the new professor is evil, so maybe he has something to hide.
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I don't really see a new team, tbh. The "red and blue things" around the region were mentioned in the context of this image: http://i.imgur.com/7PnKa.png Which looks far from evil and much more like a Musical addition than an evil team's base. If they did bring in a new evil team, I would guess they would bring in a brand new one instead of an old one across an entire ocean. |
Existence of red and blue bits of a building does not a return of Magma and Aqua make - it seems to be pulling an arrow from very far away to me. =/ specially in that above picture... because let's face it, Magma and Aqua hated each other. So why would they share the same building for some...purpose of some kind? Box art text colouring rarely has a relation to the characters or teams in the game itself too, and nor do I see it as any indication to be a herald for Magma and Aqua (I think it's far more likely it's just a meaningless colour motif in the numbers, or a relation between the cool-blue electricty of Zekrom and red-hot fire of Reshiram, both linked to Kyurem the game mascot).
There'd have to be reason for Magma and Aqua to be in B2W2 as well, which'd be hard to explain given they were based in Hoenn and disabanded after the events of RSE as well. Precense of a different team in a region far away from Hoenn just seems...unlikely to me to be used as the main team in the game when it's more likely a brand new team or a continuation of Plasma will be used imo. |
Yeah agreeing with the others. If anything there will be a new team other than Plasma. Dunno, it just depends on the angle they go with the scientist, but otherwise Magma/Aqua don't really... have a reason to be there other than to advertise remakes, and the games would feel kinda foreign to me if they had other evil teams there. :x
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Maybe we'll see the Rockets again. There is a former one of them there, if some of the other Rockets decided to track him down they might then be all "Hey let's try and make a base here!" It would be an anime tie-in too.
Although I think even that's unlikely. I'm more leaning towards a new team/neo-Plasma. Unova doesn't really have anything that would be useful to Aqua and Magma's respective goals, really. Unless Archie was planning on freezing the world, and then melting the ice to expand the sea. Which would be... Creative. |
I think I have a stinking suspicion that the professor is up to no good. He most certainly doesn't look like someone you would trust with, and his name is in the Names to Run Away from Really Fast list. :P
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Evil professor intrigues me. But personally, I'm more a supporter of the Team Rocket-style mafia crime organizations who seek to gain money and power, rather than the newer teams that have convoluted, planet-changing schemes that involve legendaries. I'm probably in the minority here since legendary-schemes do make for more epic storylines, but sometimes a return to the basics of criminal enterprises can be good, too.
I don't think it'll be one of the older teams. If it's not Plasma, then I'd fully expect a brand new team to emerge and stir up trouble. |
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Seeing team Rocket again would be boring...but maybe the new team is made from the remains of Galactic (those who Saturn didn't reform and are still loyal to Ghetsis, why would Cyrus join him? Maybe Ghetsis promises the orbs...), Rocket, and Plasma itself. |
I think the professor might play a role in this. Not evil, but misguided. The professor's character arc could mirror that of Cheren in BW. The professor has a single minded goal of Pure Power, similar to Cheren but a different take on the idea.
The Professor studies power, and this leads him into a series of misguided decisions involving Team Evil Man. The musketeers might be a part of the story in this one too. I think there is a place for Team Rocket in BW2. The come in and assemble all of the other broken up teams into an army to take over the world. If Game Freak had an idea for a brand new team, they would save it for Gen6. |
On the note of the picture btw here's a better bigger version of it:
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So unless Team Magma really let themselves go and like capes and glasses, and Aqua are now using giant Pokemon/mecha things and they advrtise this in a building design, I think it's something else. =p |
So according to the trailer, we do have a new evil team from the looks of it? o_O Kinda ugly imo if that is them. :(
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Just saw the footage for the trailer, and who could these guys be? Possible evil team??
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http://i.imgur.com/sE5WA.png idk to me they could be an evil team, but he's saying something like "Okay, I'm going now..." and to me that seems like something you would say after you get into trouble at the end of a confrontation with authority. Maybe the evil team is an authoritative team, like some form of law enforcement that's corrupt? |
Oop! Could of course be that too (I don't know any of what he's saying word for word there unlike you), that just makes me like him more. :P
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They look sorta like some... ginger army. Why the orange hair, seriously. I much preferred Plasma's designs from what I can see. :x
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OH HEY YOU'RE RIGHT. It was just less uh, obvious. Nahhh their designs are too different overall to be a resurgence type thing. Perhaps Unova just breeds ginger haired people? :(
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But yeah, that beret thing is weird... The evil team just keeps getting more and more eccentric. |
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I have a feeling that the plasma will be back somehow later in the game. |
The professor is totally in on it. Maybe not as a direct part, but more of a support. The outfits remind me of police uniforms. Maybe the pic is actually a police enforcement? ...ginger law enforcement... No idea, but hopefully it's nothing with the same perfect world idea as Team Plasma, that was just stupid.
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A revived Team Plasma and the professor may be the new leader.
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http://i.imgur.com/sE5WA.png
Team Wehrmacht appears? But seriously, they could be some kind of totalitarian force, trying to control citizens and their Pokemon to "protect their safety". That would fit to Neo-Plasma theme, because original Plasma were trying to manipulate citizens' minds to make them release Pokemon. |
At first they look like security guards but at a second glance they look like they could potentially be the new villainous team, after all that's the area where you fought Team Plasma.
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I believe there will be a New team Plasma... Like the revival of team rocket from Kanto to Johto.
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I think the Professor dude is the mind/brains behind Genesect, and possibly the new leader of Team Plasma if Ghetsis was to be deposed in the two years between the games. But I think Ghetsis will still be in power.
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That could very well be, since I doubt they really want to come out and say "We are Team Plasma" so for now they masquerade as a "justice" for and maybe confiscate peoples pokemon if they think they are guilty of a crime. Which is there excuse for stealing pokemon. I definitely don't trust the professor and I believe he has a role to play within the group. Team Plasma may return out right at some point if this group bares no relation to them. Then I can see Ghetsis right back in control.
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Wait hang on, why a justice force? was this official and did I just miss it?
imo either they have a deep storyline kinda like B/W OR they have nothing and just are secretive and work for one boss. Going in the middle would be boring :( |
I don't think it is the rebuilding of Team Plasma. The only thing I can think of that might suggest that it is, is that the new grunts and Team Plasma grunts both have orange hair.
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As vaporeon7 noted above, the new grunts seem to have the same colour hair as the grunts of Team Plasma. That of course doesn't set ANYTHING in stone, but to be honest I've a strong feeling the new team at least derives from Team Plasma in one way or another. And seeing as these games are sequels taking place in the same region, I'm expecting them to have a fair few connections to Black and White, and I think this will likely be one of them.
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Wasn't Team Plasma just a complete sham though? I mean, Ghetsis lied to them and N, for his own personal gain. I suppose Ghetsis didn't really reveal his plans to anyone but whoever was in that room, and the only other Team Plasma member was N. But idk, if Ghetsis doesn't have anything to do with this team I don't think they will have anything to do with Plasma, mainly due to the fact that Plasma was a complete sham, and they'd just be going in the Team Rocket rebuilding route. These guys don't really seem like they fit in the with Kyurem storyline though.
I'd quite like for them to just be some sort of side story, and then to see the real villains pop out, which doesn't necessarily have to be a team. Do you think that Professor might have any relation to N, or Ghetsis? Maybe not, just due to him not having Green hair. Though that book he was holding in that intro video kind of reminded me of N and that Team Plasma heritage idk. Expanding a little on that last point. I think think Team Plasma was just one small thing in something big. I mean, we had Ghetsis, N, Concordia and Anthea and the Sages, which all quite looked as if they had their own society, and history, I mean, they had their own little ceremony for the crowning of N. I think the professor could come from that background, he certainly looks like he'd fit in. |
^I didn't think of it not being an actual team. Maybe you're right and it is just a little group that Akuroma (if he is involved) gathered together to get what he needs.
Something tells me we haven't seen the end for Team Plasma, though this new group may just be using the research and information that Plasma gathered in order to further their plans. Maybe they're the reason that Zekrom/Reshiram fused with Kyurem. Maybe by using Akuroma as a public distraction, they are able to work in the shadows figuring out how to do so using Akuroma's research. Maybe they eventually convince the rival to join them, or use him to aid them indirectly. I'm just hoping whatever it is, it isn't just another Team Plasma trying to free all the Pokemon in the world. |
I think we've seen the end of the freeing the Pokemon arc, this new team if there is one will proably try something else that is more belivable than what the previous teams have done, continuing Ghetsis' tradition of learning from previous team's mistakes.
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I don't expect the leader to be the same even if it Team Plasma again, and if it is I expect a new goal. Something else that's controversial in the game though, maybe about 'betting on who wins' or another point that people endlessly question irl?
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Is it only me who thinks they're simply cops or something blocking access through the bridge?
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Somewhat. :x They kinda have this bad guy look imo that... well, reminds me of Plasma and as a result I feel like they don't really have a good purpose in the games.
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No, I get a feeling that they just might be cops or some sort of security. Of course, they could be that as a disguise for their evil plan! I'm convinced this group of villains will be much sneakier than Plasma. plasma straight up stole from people, I'm hoping this one is much more subtle and sneakier than that.
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These guys strike me as paramilitary. Which means they aren't "official" police like Looker but they go around acting like it, as a front for whatever scheme this group has going for them. And I really don't see this instances as a couple people just blocking the bridge, if they wanted to do that they could simplely erect a barrier or stick one person in there i.e. Saffron, Route 222 to Sunyshore, and I am sure there is more.
They may not be a team per say, but I can see them being a rather pushy bunch, maybe illustrated through that trailer. |
An elite team of bad guys? Oh I sure hope so, hopefully they use tough Pokemon too rather than the classic easy grunt Pokemon the other teams have had.
Perhaps the new team is like the bikers only smarter and more organized. They might ask for an outrageous amount of pokedollars which the player can't pay so he battles them. Why do they need money? For what ever Akuroma is up to if he's their leader... |
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For all we know it could be Team Plasma's new look, but if they are an evil team disguised as cops - that could get interesting. & Somehow it could relate to Akuroma if part of it. People trust cops, and I'm sure the people of Unova wouldn't suspect them to be fake. If they knew Akuroma was helping the police force, they would love him/cheer for him like shown in the trailer. But then again he is the professor. Though to get back on topic, wouldn't the real police of Unova know about this? How would they believe it? |
I, personally would love to see a return of Team Galactic, but that's not going to happen....
unlessssssss- The ice on the map is really a time freeze, and the Team Galactic people see it and mistakenly think it was caused by Dialga. And somehow Cyrus comes back by way of some sort of epic portal, and does stuff and.... Yeah, not going to happen. Plasma will probably come back, sadly. or not sadly. |
Just because they have orange hair doesn't mean they're Team Plasma...
If it is though, I'm expecting different tactics(a sneakier, evil and harsh team would be great), a new goal, and stronger pokemon. Still, I have to say, the thought of a team of people dressing up as the police is unrealistic and a little too silly for my taste. Make 'em gangsters~ |
Their suits kind of remind me of the rockets, must be all that black...
Either way, I'm leaning on this being a new team, or at least a renamed Plasma to hide the fact of who might be it's true leader if Ghetsis is to return. |
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I'm thinking we'll see the return of Team Plasma, although seeing a return of Team Galactic would be an interesting twist, or maybe a new uprising from Team Rocket or Team Aqua/Magma just for the nostalgia factor. :3
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Or maybe Plasma will clash with a different team altogether....hopefully called Team Nova. Because along with it being awesome, it goes with the whole space element thing that they like to go with for naming evil teams. Somewhere around I saw someone say that maybe Looker is secretly the leader of the evil team...yeah right...but that would be epic though.
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I think this is probably a different team that may have a different goal or a "reformed" Team Plasma. Their uniforms are different, which makes me think this is a different team. Im wondering also if Akuroma has something to do with them( or is their boss), it could happen.
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Its the League of Raging Gingers! Formerly known as Plasma Grunts.
Seriously? Same Region, both bad guy teams are Gingers. Too coincidental to be anything else. |
This is gonna sound crazy, but I feel like there might not be an evil team. I think the bad guy in this game is Kyurem, and these lovely red-haired people right here are just an environmental organization created to fix the sudden freeze caused by one (two?) dragon(s). Just guessing but it sounds believable to me.
And why is professor suddenly evil? I know he has a "I'm a nice guy with hidden intentions" feel to him, but maybe GameFreak expected everyone to immediately peg him as a bad guy. I for one think he's a nice person with no global domination schemes up his sleeves. |
"Aku" means "evil".
"Kuro" means "black". In other words, THIS GUY'S A VILLAIN. What don't you get? |
Hm I wonder what the new team will be called.
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You know, I really hope that Team Plasma isn't replaced in this game, I really hope that they just have a new motive and have no massive changes other than a new leader at the most...
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I have a sneaking suspicion that we'll be facing off against Team Plasma again but obviously under new leadership. Perhaps the new professor is the leader? He kinda gave me a Ghetsis-esque vibe when I looked at him, but that could have just been me.
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There were kinda some lose ends that needed to be tied up with Team Plasma so although we haven't had any information on them for these games, we haven't had much information at all they could easily make a reappearance alongside another villainous team, Ruby & Sapphire had two teams, right?.
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If you watch the trailer, Akuroma appears with his book in a way that very much reminds me of the first time we see Cyrus in the opening sequence for Platinum. Just my opinion, but he seems like he has an ulterior motive if not an evil plan.
I hope they don't continue with the medieval theme. It was a nice fresh touch, but its not my favorite. But maybe I am depreciating it. It will most likely be used. I wouldnt mind a team called the Vikings, as long as they made it unique. Doesn't really fit the police-looking thing though. I still think Nova would be a great idea. That could be a good name for a reformed Plasma, too. Nova means new, as in new motive, new ideals....new freaky-haired leader....Yeah. |
If they do replace Plasma, I hope the new team dresses a little less ridiculously.
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They should dress like butlers and Chamber Maids. Ironically, that costume would be less ridiculous than normal. Team Rocket could come back and start a Pokemon War. Though, from the screen shots we have seen, it is probably not Team Rocket. |
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Also, I wouldn't really judge by the sprite. We've barely seen the actual designs unfortunately. I think I'll believe these people are an actual new evil organization when we see a screenie of a battle scene with one or two of them. That, or Team Plasma's new look. |
If GAME FREAK doesn't use the name Nova now, they will later. Like in 6th Gen. Unfortunately I won't see it as I don't own a 3DS and will probably never get one.
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I doubt Team Aqua or Team Magma will make an appearance in Unova. But perhaps they will have a new leader will appear because I can't see Ghetsis returning in B/W2.
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Actually, I saw this on YouTube, its some sort of movie (somewhere around there) theater, and it could be a side quest. There isn't anymore known about it, at the moment anyway. I highly doubt team Magma and team Aqua will appear. Gamefreak will probably never do that, unless the make a re-make of Sapphire and Ruby. |
I really doubt that that thing is about Magma and Aqua. It just doesn't look like it.
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I hope Plasma isnt in this game, they were such a joke. I highly doubt that Aqua and Magma are in these games. I think there will be a complete new team in these games.
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Do you think that the Shadow Triad will show up at all? What about Looker? Will they play any part in the evil team plot?
Just realized that the police-looking people could be more of Looker's International Police group...but they don't really look the part. They look like they have a definite template. Also, why would they use an equal amount of male and female sprites for them if they were just a security group? GAME FREAK may have just been trying not to be biased, but it looks a bit weird to me. |
I would love in if they incorporated the old evil teams into the newer games. I mean they wouldn't NOT try to take over other regions.
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Yeah...Like if I was an evil team, and I had just had an epic fail, I would definitely run to another area and make trouble there! *Not being sarcastic btw*
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So we can see Team Plasma in the background of a Coro Coro scan, who could these guys in black possibly be? u_u; Unless Team Plasma are here for a whole different cause, this mysterious organization might not be evil after all?
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One of the guys in Black is Homika's father so I'm guessing that they are patrol officers or something.
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Maybe these ARE an evil team. They're in Black.. Add up Black and White and you get the logical opposing forces.
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Maybe they will cause chaos opposing Team Plasma's plan, and really we have two evil teams this time around. Or, Team Plasma could be on the good side and we all try to stop this new evil organization, if evil at all.
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Since Giovanni is in the game, and there was meant to be an episode in the anime where Team Plasma and Team Rocket face off (I know the anime has nothing to do with the games but still), I'm gonna say that the evil teams are Team Rocket and Team Plasma.
Why else would Giovanni reappear? Maybe this could explain why the genies and Kyurem get messed up formes. |
So if these guys are Team Rocket, what could they possibly want in Unova? I mean if it's Kyurem + the forms; why?
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I still think the team in Black is Team Plasma with new Uniforms. They are all Gingers just like Team Plasma and we know that Plasma is back and doing exactly like Team Rocket did in Johto, trying to find their leader.
Maybe they just forgo the Knight uniforms and take a more subtle uniform. |
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^ Looks like Plasma in their old uniforms. Unless half of Team Plasma are in those uniforms for N and half of them are in black for Ghetsis, or vice versa. |
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I seriously doubt Team Rocket as a whole will appear. This isn't their continent.
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Well no, but Giovanni and the mysterious fact that they are wearing black clothes, much like we've only seen in Team Rocket kinda makes me think otherwise. Besides, it'd also be relative too since Unova was meant to equal like, Kanto sorta.
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If Team Rocket did appear in BW2, I'd squeal like a fanboy and it'd be such a high-pitched and girly scream that I wouldn't be able to keep it from my housemates. No offence to, well, any evil team that came after them, but Team Rocket do kinda rule all!
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ok.team plasma dissapared with N.The sages are still in unoa sa you can see in CoroCoro.
red=reshiram blue=zekrom evrybody wants a remake after RS,but B2W2 has nothing to do with team aqua/magma..... |
PLEASE no Rocket. I am fed up of them. Please let the guys in black be a new evil team. If they're Plasma under Ghetsis, I will be fine but a bit bored. We kinda need a fresh team.
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ok so i tried translating this is in English and here's what i have オフは いまから いかるぜ ifu wa imakara ikaruze. English: I'm off now to.... off=ifu now=imakara ikaruze= that is actually not a Japanese word, HOWEVER it is possible that it is a name of a new place.... it cant be icarrus city because Sekka city is its name in Japanese. |
Doesnt sound like something you'd say to an evil team to me. It looks like a police confrontation, but I hope it's not. That'd be boring...UNLESS they're the International Police that Looker is a part of, and they're going to be a bigger part in the story. That'd be cool.
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Something about those guys makes me think of team Rocket...the fact that Giovanni appears in these game doesn't help to make me think otherwise...and then there's the Rocket theme in BW at the GF HQ, were all those things hints to their return?
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Team Rocket isn't full of Gingers though. Giovani isn't part of the story either so Team Rocket really doesn't belong there.
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But we don't know he isn't. Yes he could be there for the tournament but he could also be there for another reason, otherwise they could have just used Blue for that particular role. As for the gingers, well, yeah that's true, but it could be ex-team Plasma members recruited for TR in Unova since they're native to the land.
Edit: So due to the design of... http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m41xdix4q61qfzq8wo1_500.jpg Compared to... http://i.imgur.com/sE5WA.png These guys are actually Plasma? No new evil team then. :( |
Team Rocket as a whole is NOT APPEARING. Stop the insane theories.
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SO NOW WE HAVE NINJA COSTUMES FOR TEAM PLASMA>.> ...0.o I actually like them....They look tougher. I don't get how the old ones looked tough. |
So the people in black are indeed Team Plasma! Guess we're not really having an evil team change after all. But could there be another side to Plasma (N's side having the same gray uniforms and Ghetsis having the black or vice versa).
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I'd love to see Team Rocket, being an old nostalga fan, I'd just jump for joy and let out high pitched screams but I think they should be saved for the next main series game. Let Plasma have their moment here as this is B&W2 and they should have the part in this one. Still throw in a few Rocket refrences and hopefully a battle with Giovanni and some grunts as some side story thing after beating the main story. |
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