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Protagonist & Rival relationship.
Pardon me; obsessed with the rival! This is just an excuse to make a thread about him! yayaya!
I'm sure I don't need to say that for the first time in Pokémon, they had two rivals for the player (three if you count N, or two if you discount Bianca) with Black and White. Not only that, but Cheren and Bianca were childhood friends of yours and you guys started your first steps on your journey together! Y'all had a pretty nice thing going on back then. Certainly refreshing from the past rivals (Barry aside, I guess)... What do you think the relationship the protagonist has with the rival will be like in the sequels? What do you think their personality is going to be like? Do you think they're going to have the opposite gender protagonist be part of the game as well, like they did in past generations? |
The rival is super cute! Judging by his look, I'm predicting he'll be a lot more mature than the previous rivals. He seems like the kind of guy who would be understanding to you as a close friend, but always looking to better himself to be a little bit ahead of you. As for personality, I picture the rival to be charming, clever and like I said, understanding. Perhaps he'd have a slick side to him. Maybe it's because of your avatar though...
I really hope the relationship between the rival and protagonist is close. Best friends, but far better than the friendship between you/Cheren/Bianca. I see future shippings of the female protag with this rival for some reason. Honestly, I SUPPORT IT. |
I'm thinking that the rival is gonna be cocky, a bit like Gary / Green, since that's something that hasn't been done since Gen 3, with Silver. Though, Silver started out just mean, and I don't think the BW2 rival will be quite that bad. xD;
I don't think he'll start out friends with either of the two protags, though. If only because they've done that with the last two generations. |
His key Phrase is "From now on, I'm going to Rage."
I see him as Power hungry and arrogant. Maybe not as abusive as Silver, but pretty close to Silver with a mix of Gary/Blue added in. |
I think he's going to be rude like the past rivals :( Just from how he looks I don't think he'll be necessarily friendly to the others. As for the other protagonist I'm pretty sure they will be involved, to kinda... get even with what B/W had, sorta. Kinda disappointing if so, I wanted a really nice rival!
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I'm the only one to think he'll be charming. n___n Honestly, Nick your avatar is misleading my thoughts!
I want him to be mysteriously wicked. But still understanding and close to who you play as even though he has a hard way of showing it! |
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Guess it's a bit too early to think much of him based only on his look and not knowing the context of his quote there, beyond 'what hair stuff does he use?'. =p |
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So maybe you're right. XD; Although, that's a fanart, so.. I'm not sure what to make of him at this point. |
Fanart also makes N deeply in love with Hilda but we don't see that happening. :P
It all goes down onto how the creators make the rival out to be. Should be a charming one. Just so charming. |
Looks bold and cocky like Blue and Silver; since the series has started to add more depth to the storylines, he'll doubtless develop from that into a mature nakama. I also reckon he'll be someone the protagonist encounters during the story rather than already knows, given this presumed personality. In turn from these impressions I think it's probable that unless another rival is revealed, the unchosen protagonist character will make a significant appearance as a childhood friend, though I'd personally prefer a unique character for any NPC role.
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Overall though I hope it's not the same boring thing of "turn out to be bad and then eventually befriend". >__>; I want a new twist on that. |
Taking a look from his design. I think he will be rude and cocky. He probably lives in the same town as the Protag, because it looks like he is wearing a wetsuit under his clothing. It would also be nice to have a rude and cocky rival again. Cheren and Bianca were too friendly. And Barry, was just weird.
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I agree though on the last part. But I more want the rival to be in the middle of good and bad. Just because he seems so...wicked and charming (like I haven't said that before). |
One of the site's I just read says that he was childhood friends with the protags, and then sort of took the wrong path.
That could be neat. |
It says on the trailer, according to Erica, that they're childhood friends.
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Oh thank God, a relation to BW! ...sorta, and their childhood friends thing. Sadly though that means he's likely to be somewhat of a carbon copy of Cheren though at the end imo, or at least I feel like he will be. :(
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I hope his personality is so different from it. What I'm hoping his personality will be is a mixture of Barry and Gary. Some medium between the two.
http://serebii.net/black2white2/pics.shtml# The rival and protagonist are together in most of these pictures. SQUEEEE!!! |
Again? This is not wildly exciting after the first BW where both rivals were your childhood friends. It would be more interesting if they did something new with him, like have you travel around together, but this isn't a typical JRPG so they wouldn't want to make dialogue the whole way. But seriously, I don't like the childhood friends thing because it's so unrealistic that you wouldn't travel with them. :(
*shrug* He sounds pretty generic from what Nick's shoved in my face to translate. :P |
Honestly after hearing about the info that's been given about the rival I'm a bit disappointed.
In all honesty when I saw his artwork I was thinking they might have made the rival as a character who is slightly older than the protagonist and set out on his journey before you. In doing so he's reached great heights within the region and now you're trying to catch up to where he is. I've probably read One Piece too many times but I was really hoping more of a older sibling type relationship from this rival than the set out on a journey at the same time and race to the top theme they had going for other rivals. The protagonists just look so much younger compared to the others while the rival looks older than the protagonists. |
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I see the rival as a Blue with some seriousness on the top.
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Anywho. I'm liking the idea of "childhood friend who went down the wrong path" idea. Who knows, maybe he'll STAY that way. That would certainly be different for once. |
^ This is true. Besides, it's better than having two lost rivals who don't know what they're aiming for in the Pokémon world very well. :(
But if you think about it, somehow GameFreak is going to want to implement a lesson learned in the games. If the rival remains going down the wrong path, it's a bad example. But if going down the wrong path helps the rivalry between the protagonist epic enough, I'm all for it. As long as the rival stays clever and charming. ...Somehow. |
I have to admit, he's on of my favorite rivals ever, based on design alone. If he IS one of those "going down the wrong path and you must stop him" type of characters, I'm going to be ticked. I don't want to play a Naruto/Pokemon crossover, with your rival being Sasuke and you being Naruto. I want to play a Pokemon game. It'd be great if he WERE a little more advanced, and a bit more mature. But something tells me he'll be the same generic rival who does care about you, but also has a high sense of himself at all times.
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I think it would be good if at the end, he would want to make a difference but not yet do so. That way we can conclude he'll change, but not exactly. It makes a good closure for both the protagonist and the rival, so they can still remain great friends even through it all, without him having to imply that he has changed already for the good.
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I have a feeling that he'll be more like Blue than Silver (partially due to being a childhood friend too). He might have a mix of Barry and throws temper tantrum's when annoyed.
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I think the rival and protagonist might have grown up together. As far as the rival's personality, I think he's going to come off ass arrogant, cool, laid back, but awesome all in one.
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I think rival will be arrogant but only for strangers, I guess he'll be treating protagonist as his ally in fighting with others.
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I have no idea what the relationship between the player and rival will be- perhaps I would if I could understand Japanese, haha. I believe there's a clip in the trailer of the Rival talking with what looks like the new opposing 'Team' to me- if we could understand what he was saying perhaps that might give insight on what kind of character he'll be? Although I'll admit that's a long shot.
I'm not too pushed on what kind of Rival he'll be- someone above suggested a 'good boy who went down the wrong path, but stays that way' would be an interesting deviation from the norm, but I really don't mind. |
yeah I was going to say, he kind of reminds me of rival Blue. Which is cool
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You know, I actually see the rival being more strong minded than arrogant. But if the protagonist and him are childhood friends and he does turn out to be pretty rude and whatnot, I wonder what the relationship will be like (to where it will still make the ending between the two, interesting). Because it's hard to tell judging by his design.
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Hmm. Maybe I'm reading to much into it. Although they did sort of touch on that with the original B/W, so maybe they're continuing with that? |
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Perhaps he has a harsh background story that made him who he was today, and one of the things he learns along the way of traveling is how to turn away from it. Our protagonist would try to make him see in the better light as well? Sure it's a generic "evil at first, good in the end", but I think a background story behind it all that continued to bother/follow him, would make it at the least bit more mysterious and interesting. |
Idk I hate the idea of "I'm evil I'm evil I'm evil whoop I'm good now!" It's just so boring and overdone no matter how you dress it up. ;x I want an arrogant know-it-all rival who's condescending to the PC but in a "maybe some day you'll be as good as me" kind of way, who's shocked when you beat him in the end, lol.
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But yeah, this is actually a really good idea for the rival. It changes from the generic childhood friendship for sure. Edit: y u delete such a gr8 idea |
^ This reminds me a bit of Riku from KH...it's been done...but I wouldn't mind seeing it again ^_^
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He looks kind of smug to me, which isn't really anything new compared to past rivals. I just quite like his design. He doesn't seem that mysterious. Both him and the other two protagonists seem to be wearing [swimsuits] under their clothes (although it's a little hard to tell with his trousers) but yeah - I think that shows some relationship from where they come from.
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Shinji and Drew were that way originally.. IMO this rival is cool, regardless. XD |
Well I don't watch the anime so that doesn't relate to me. D;
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So in our hometown he follows us around the city which is pretty awesome. I wish I knew what the dialogue was all about, just so I could determine his attitude toward the protagonist. :B |
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I'm hoping that since he was following the protagonist that he's friendly towards us. Of course, he could be a jerk that was like "That's the school, stupid y u so n00b?" So there's always that scenario. |
If he's friendly in the beginning, I'm hoping either Akumora or Team Plasma (orrr, the new evil team if not Plasma) will make him "realize what he wants to do in life". Then he could join their side, and be this epic rival we never had before.
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Rival Reminds me of a mental image I have of Gale from the Hunger Games....
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I think his personality is like Silver, Blue, and Barry. Or maybe only clever and charming to the player and friends.
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I see the rival acting like he knows it all more than a womanizer. :p
I guess towards the protagonist he'll be more like Gary/Barry (but in less of a rush) in a way, since they are childhood friends. To everyone else, he could be pushy and wicked. |
^ I agree, I see him as being all Barry and May/Brandon to us, but Blue like to everyone else, that would mean that he only feels confortable with people he knows and comes off as rude to those he doesn't know...that's an interesting characteristic combo I haven't seen in any rival in the games so far.
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Maybe the player is the only friend the rival has due to his attitude which is why he follows us so closely, making his dependent on us...if that's the case I'll feel sorry for him :(
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Oh my God, and what if you're going through the grass with him with you, you meet a wild Pokemon, and he catches the Pokemon on the route, instead of having a SET team? That would be magical. <333
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He could leave after we arrive in a town, and arrive in the following one to challenge us, then we go together again and so on. I can also see him teaming up with us like Steven and Barry did against the antagonists.
Part of me is also hoping that their is a second rival we have yet to see...like Wally did, except she doesn't steal the whole spot light of the first rival. |
The rival is absolutely adorable looking and his hair speaks so many words in terms of good fashion sense. His jacket and everything are just so cool. Honestly, I have to say he is the coolest rival ever, outclassing that of Brendan; one of which I thought would never be topped for me. (that hat owo~)
Anyway, I think he's an unrelated kid to the protagonists. I'm thinking that he's somehow related to the Professor, just for a toss up in the family trees, and has heard of the protagonists around the city and when the day comes that they can take a journey, he confronts the protagonist. so kawaii~ |
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He is quite cool looking, even more so than Blue and Silver... |
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I kind of hope this isn't one of those types of scenarios, but if it is, I definitely don't want it to be that Akuroma is the father. I want him to be an older brother, at most. Though it would be neat if they had some sort of relationship between the two, family or friends and such. That would only make me more suspicious of the rival, though. Which is ok. I still love him. <3333 |
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Maybe he's a friend of the prof's who is fooled into misleading the Main character away from the evil groups activities...then he teams up with the player after find out he's been used as a pawn. |
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This rival dude does seem like a bit of a badass to me. Things will probably be quite competitive between the rival and the protagonists.
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I like the random encounters though and wouldn't want to lose that, because it makes sense. Not like the rival will know where you are every step of the way, so when you do meet up it's just by chance and random, which is what I think the random encounters are trying to portray. I like the idea of him participating in the non-training stuff in the region too though, even if it's only done once or twice.
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Right. He has to have a small case of the Gary Oak Syndrome, but not after every single gym battle or right before every single cave. But the idea of him taking place in things that don't concern training or the such just, idk, makes it seem more real, to me.
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Although we have to question whether or not that matches with his personality. It would have made sense to see Bianca in the musicals, but considering his expression and his "I'm going to rage" motto, will he be the type of person to compete in things outside of training just for fun?
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Hmm. Muy bien point there. If his personality is that he's better than us at everything, I could see him doing it to try and prove that point. However, now that I take his motto into consideration, idk. I HOPE HE DOES, THOUGH. Still, he could very well scoff at the protagonist for participating in such things.
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To make it short, I'd say the rival would be a character you really wouldn't want as your enemy, but you'd definitely want him as your good friend.
I felt he was kinda of a mix of two types of rivals we've seen before, which was either "your faithful and kind childhood friend" or the "mean and cold kid on the block." He can be capable of being very aggressive and violent, but at the same he can be your man to count on. As for his 'slogan' I don't really thinks he means to throw himself into a rage fit, but maybe he's trying to say something like "I'm getting fired/pumped up!". I can imagine him being hot-blooded guy, and perhaps even protective as he has a younger sister. I think the sister factor kind of rules him out as being a complete jerk or anti-social guy like Silver, but then again we still know very little about him too. I'm sure he values his younger sibling, even going out of the way of walking with her until he met up with the protagonist. In fact, we even saw him tag along with our main playable character around the town. We don't know why he does, but it must mean he enjoys the player's company. In the video we couldn't really see where the battle started, when, or how, but I can guess that it began once they've reached lookout place perhaps? Maybe the reason he followed you was because, kind of like tagging with Jun/Barry to Lake Verity, you were expected to take him to that place. Maybe a battle was arranged at the lookout beforehand? Probably. That or he suddenly thought to have the battle at the lookout because maybe he wanted to have the first battle at a 'memorable' place. I know it's just me thinking like that, but I kind of like that thought. .... Of course I can be completely wrong lol! Who knows, guess we have to wait, but I feel as though I rambled a bit too much. |
Maybe the battle began after getting their starter like how Bianca and Cheren did, only they decide to go outside instead of battling in the lab, or house so that they won't destroy it (BW call back).
I agree that the Rival proably isn't all that antisocial, perhaps he simply likes to fight for fun... |
He has that confident, cocky swagger look to him. So he'll probably be like Gary/Blue.
I like him already! |
^Ain't it great? Even in my theme he has the whole "Wtf you want?" look to him.
I'm starting to think that he is that cocky little bugger that everyone wants to hit but still loves him anyway. |
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I dunno, I've seen it before, so it could happen >_> |
Or maybe he's trying to act all tough and cool for his little sister, trying to make her think he's the strongest in the land but is secretly friendly...
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Well I think that he may be trying to set off an example of what a real trainer is like, and impress her in that way. He wants to look cool in front of his sister. :B But, I still think it's cute that he has one and walked with her. Rival/sister relationship!
Unrelated, but I wish our protagonist had a little brother or sister. Maybe even a sibling that goes off on their journey the same time as us and they would be our pseudo rival. I really want to find out more about the rival/protagonist relationship and his relationship with anyone though to be honest. :[ It's killing me! |
Maybe he is putting on a show, for everyone! Maybe he is a little bit evil, but plays the role of nice guy in order to get people to trust him. Like a spy, almost. But maybe, even though he's really evil, he truly cares for the protagonist regardless of his plans.
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I don't see him as evil, but rather rude. Maybe he simply doesn't know to be nice to people he doesn't know unlike his sister and you.
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Acting badass for her works, but at the end if it came down to a moral thing where he had to make a decision, she'd... probably try to convince him otherwise. Then your protagonist wins and all is well when everything goes back to normal and he's... himself again. :3;
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I don't think the rival has to act badass per say. That may be in his persona as a badass. I mean he certainly looks the part to me at least. My initially thoughts were he seems fine with people he knows, but to do people like that "police" force in Nimbasa he may be hostile toward. I can see this rivalry at a between of Cheren/Bianca & Gary. I don't see it too the degree of say Silver or Paul though. The rival may have more then a friendly rival, but not a bitter rivalry at the same time. I could see it more of him talking crap to you then anything. From appearance though he does seem to have an air of superiority along with some swag.
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To me he seems like someone who won't let himself be bossed around, good thing the player isn't ever bossy (maybe that's why he likes her/him).
He does seem to give out that cool aura...but it might be all surface, he might have hidden depths like N did for all we know... |
Appearance-wise, he's quite handsome, and his jacket add a cool touch to his simple, yet attractive design. And I'm such a sucker for those kind of unrealistic anime fro.
Personality-wise, we all know nothing about him. But it's reasonable to presume that he will have a rather smug personality. Over-confident, but not too arrogant to the point of jerkassery like Gary. A rivalry relationship wil blossomed between you and him, but doesn't harbor the kind of bitterness Silver and Ethan had. And he definitely seems more mature than Barry and Bianca. And I heard somewhere that he's very protective of his sister, and willing to do anything for her...Very interested in the direction this is going. |
I want this rival to have multiple character traits. A side of him that won't stand for your opinion/thoughts, a side of him that is forgiving, clever, charming, sincere and eager. Then of course that wicked/smug side of him. & With all of this, he wouldn't know what road to go down and he does several things to achieve his goal but always jumps to another. The protagonist as his sidekick will try with him to conquer all of this madness, but soon enough he gets caught up in trouble (perhaps with Akuroma and whatever evil team there may be). Then the storyline begins as well as the relationship with the protagonist! The protagonist must try and change the rival's views and remind him what life was like for the two of them since childhood.
I don't know, I think that would be cool. I'm sure there are much better ideas though! |
I predict -- like what y'all said -- he'll be cocky, arrogant and rude. He's sort of a mixture of Paul, Gary and ... oh, yeah, N. But if you look at him, he looks like a nice guy, you know? I hope he'll have a heart -- unlike Paul, heartless and cruel. Even if it's the smallest of hearts.
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I am thinking along the same lines as this really. |
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I like the friendship rivalry because it shows a compassion and competitive side. |
Well yeah I like the friendship and whatnot, but I'd rather a friendship be built at the end, more like Gary/Blue. Gary hated Ash all the way up until the end, and then they became great friends and even better rivals towards one another.
It was cute for a while hating the friend be a rival, but after a while you kind of want Silver back. The kid who thinks he's the greatest and can't be beat, but then learns in the end that he was wrong, you were right, and you will always be better. I just want him to be a jerk who loves me in the end, is all. ;; You know, like one of those romantic comedies. |
Based upon the rival's appearance, I don't think he'll be another Silver. He definitely looks like he'll be cocky and confident, but I don't think he'll be the type of trainer who comes off as rude.
I hear he's another childhood friend rival, so here's how I can picture him in the games, or at least how I'd like him to be. This all depends on how far GameFreak is actually willing to play with the rival's development. Anyway, growing up as friends he's always been the lesser version of you in the eyes of other people at school and home. At some point in time, the friendship grew distant as he started to become jealous of all the glory and attention you received. That's when he gradually changed into more of the loner type and started to do things on his own so people would stop comparing him with you. When his younger sister was born, she started to idolize you more like an older sibling than her own brother. This is what really sends your rival off the deep end. He swears to himself that he'll be better. He swears to himself that he'll be better than you, and that he'll finally receive the recognition he deserves and that his sister will admire him more than she admires you, as nothing hurts more than when your own family praises someone else and sort of ignores your accomplishments in light of someone else. So he ends up this cocky and confident character, but really he's just an insecure trainer searching for the recognition of his own accomplishments rather than be compared to you all the time. That's when he falls into the hands of the [secretly sinister] Professor Akuroma, who gives him all the attention and praise he's always wanted growing up. Your rival finds comfort in the attention he gets from this highly recognized professor, but really the professor is just using him to advance on his own evil plot. By the end, your rival comes into the light of what the professor has been up to with him all this time, and when all is done and over with, he finds the real truth in himself and a new sense of confidence. A confidence that he is good at something [what that is, I have no idea yet] and that he will continue to get better at it. He realizes that he no longer has to compete with you to be better at everything, but that he is talented in his own skill and will work on improving it. This is where he receives the right type of recognition from others, and more importantly his sister and family that changes him to be a better person, and of course, a better friend to you. All that said, the chances of this actually happening are probably slim to none! |
Aw. Don't leave poor Bianca out. haha
Barry, though, I will never miss him. I'm sorry, but he was just annoying, always bumping into me...*mumbles* Er...I wonder if it will be a love relationship? Probably not if there aren't two rivals whom is your opposite sex...no doubt some fans would like that, however. lol. |
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The rival could be your cousin or something, and both of you set out on a journey after your dad and his uncle ( coz he's your cousin ) gives you both a starter each. He lives in the new Starting City as well.
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Love is surprising. My sister and her boyfriend have nothing in common and they've been dating for 2 year o.o
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