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Zelda April 13th, 2012 9:01 PM

I think it would be good if at the end, he would want to make a difference but not yet do so. That way we can conclude he'll change, but not exactly. It makes a good closure for both the protagonist and the rival, so they can still remain great friends even through it all, without him having to imply that he has changed already for the good.

Ho-Oh April 13th, 2012 9:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7130689)
I think it would be good if at the end, he would want to make a difference but not yet do so. That way we can conclude he'll change, but not exactly. It makes a good closure for both the protagonist and the rival, so they can still remain great friends even through it all, without him having to imply that he has changed already for the good.

So as kinda being like "not going to listen to you, protag" then see him hugging a Minccino or something? <-- that of course being the kind of thing he'd do, like a badass but good guy at heart? Possibly that could work, but reminds me a lot of other games. :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 13th, 2012 10:32 PM

I have a feeling that he'll be more like Blue than Silver (partially due to being a childhood friend too). He might have a mix of Barry and throws temper tantrum's when annoyed.

Turn-it April 13th, 2012 11:06 PM

I think the rival and protagonist might have grown up together. As far as the rival's personality, I think he's going to come off ass arrogant, cool, laid back, but awesome all in one.

wombateiro April 14th, 2012 5:18 AM

I think rival will be arrogant but only for strangers, I guess he'll be treating protagonist as his ally in fighting with others.


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Originally Posted by redjacketalchemist (Post 7130670)
Anywho. I'm liking the idea of "childhood friend who went down the wrong path" idea. Who knows, maybe he'll STAY that way. That would certainly be different for once.

I thought it would be nice to make it depending on player's choices during storyline. There should be finally nonlinear storyline in Pokemon game. B/W was nonlinear in very small part (depending on your answer to N's question about having any dreams, his last speech varies), so I hope B2/W2 storyline will give player choices which would have serious impact on next events.

giradialkia April 14th, 2012 5:25 AM

I have no idea what the relationship between the player and rival will be- perhaps I would if I could understand Japanese, haha. I believe there's a clip in the trailer of the Rival talking with what looks like the new opposing 'Team' to me- if we could understand what he was saying perhaps that might give insight on what kind of character he'll be? Although I'll admit that's a long shot.

I'm not too pushed on what kind of Rival he'll be- someone above suggested a 'good boy who went down the wrong path, but stays that way' would be an interesting deviation from the norm, but I really don't mind.

CloudNine April 14th, 2012 5:29 AM

yeah I was going to say, he kind of reminds me of rival Blue. Which is cool

Zelda April 14th, 2012 7:26 AM

You know, I actually see the rival being more strong minded than arrogant. But if the protagonist and him are childhood friends and he does turn out to be pretty rude and whatnot, I wonder what the relationship will be like (to where it will still make the ending between the two, interesting). Because it's hard to tell judging by his design.

Jellicent♀ April 14th, 2012 7:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7131441)
You know, I actually see the rival being more strong minded than arrogant. But if the protagonist and him are childhood friends and he does turn out to be pretty rude and whatnot, I wonder what the relationship will be like (to where it will still make the ending between the two, interesting). Because it's hard to tell judging by his design.

I think it'd be more like a Gary vs Ash if that were the case. Basing this off of design alone, he seems like he would be a sweetheart. Basing this off of fandom world-wide, he seems like a headstrong kid who tries to better himself without knowing which path, good or evil, can help him do that, so he chooses to tamper with both, ultimately indirectly saving the day, while remaining neutral.

RedJ April 14th, 2012 7:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7131459)
I think it'd be more like a Gary vs Ash if that were the case. Basing this off of design alone, he seems like he would be a sweetheart. Basing this off of fandom world-wide, he seems like a headstrong kid who tries to better himself without knowing which path, good or evil, can help him do that, so he chooses to tamper with both, ultimately indirectly saving the day, while remaining neutral.

Struggling with the choice of Black or White, he chooses to dabble in shades of Grey...

Hmm. Maybe I'm reading to much into it. Although they did sort of touch on that with the original B/W, so maybe they're continuing with that?

Zelda April 14th, 2012 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by redjacketalchemist (Post 7131483)
Struggling with the choice of Black or White, he chooses to dabble in shades of Grey...

Hmm. Maybe I'm reading to much into it. Although they did sort of touch on that with the original B/W, so maybe they're continuing with that?

Ooh, I like that. :o

Perhaps he has a harsh background story that made him who he was today, and one of the things he learns along the way of traveling is how to turn away from it. Our protagonist would try to make him see in the better light as well? Sure it's a generic "evil at first, good in the end", but I think a background story behind it all that continued to bother/follow him, would make it at the least bit more mysterious and interesting.

Oryx April 14th, 2012 8:23 AM

Idk I hate the idea of "I'm evil I'm evil I'm evil whoop I'm good now!" It's just so boring and overdone no matter how you dress it up. ;x I want an arrogant know-it-all rival who's condescending to the PC but in a "maybe some day you'll be as good as me" kind of way, who's shocked when you beat him in the end, lol.

Zelda April 14th, 2012 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghiaccio (Post 7131883)
I think it would be awesome if like he starts off as a childhood friend, as confirmed, but then a plot twist occurs sometime where it reveals he's joined with the evil team because maybe their ideals appeal to him, or maybe the professor (assuming he's evil) somehow convinces him.

...I like this. It's really different, and technically there would be a lesson learned in the end since we're obviously going to beat the bad guys. :P

But yeah, this is actually a really good idea for the rival. It changes from the generic childhood friendship for sure.

Edit: y u delete such a gr8 idea

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 14th, 2012 11:54 AM

^ This reminds me a bit of Riku from KH...it's been done...but I wouldn't mind seeing it again ^_^

Jellicent♀ April 14th, 2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7131910)
^ This reminds me a bit of Riku from KH...it's been done...but I wouldn't mind seeing it again ^_^

I got the same exact thought, actually. But it also reminds me a little bit like N. How he was good, became evilish but didn't know he was evilish, and then became good. But maybe, if they do make the rival evil, that he will remain in the shadows after you defeat him for the last time? I doubt they'd go to the extreme of never seeing him again, but maybe it'll be to where he isn't just out in the open, like, you have to go search for him or something.

Mew~ April 14th, 2012 12:24 PM

He looks kind of smug to me, which isn't really anything new compared to past rivals. I just quite like his design. He doesn't seem that mysterious. Both him and the other two protagonists seem to be wearing [swimsuits] under their clothes (although it's a little hard to tell with his trousers) but yeah - I think that shows some relationship from where they come from.

Kano Shuuya April 14th, 2012 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7131578)
Idk I hate the idea of "I'm evil I'm evil I'm evil whoop I'm good now!" It's just so boring and overdone no matter how you dress it up. ;x I want an arrogant know-it-all rival who's condescending to the PC but in a "maybe some day you'll be as good as me" kind of way, who's shocked when you beat him in the end, lol.

But that's been done most of the anime rivals. D:

Shinji and Drew were that way originally..

IMO this rival is cool, regardless. XD

Oryx April 14th, 2012 2:12 PM

Well I don't watch the anime so that doesn't relate to me. D;

Zelda April 14th, 2012 4:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EntwinedSilence (Post 7132073)


But that's been done most of the anime rivals. D:

Shinji and Drew were that way originally..

IMO this rival is cool, regardless. XD

^ Basically! I can't wait to see what GameFreak has in mind for our rival.

So in our hometown he follows us around the city which is pretty awesome. I wish I knew what the dialogue was all about, just so I could determine his attitude toward the protagonist. :B

Jellicent♀ April 14th, 2012 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7132275)

^ Basically! I can't wait to see what GameFreak has in mind for our rival.

So in our hometown he follows us around the city which is pretty awesome. I wish I knew what the dialogue was all about, just so I could determine his attitude toward the protagonist. :B

I thought it was kind of cute that he followed the main character. c':
I'm hoping that since he was following the protagonist that he's friendly towards us. Of course, he could be a jerk that was like "That's the school, stupid y u so n00b?" So there's always that scenario.

Zelda April 14th, 2012 4:54 PM

If he's friendly in the beginning, I'm hoping either Akumora or Team Plasma (orrr, the new evil team if not Plasma) will make him "realize what he wants to do in life". Then he could join their side, and be this epic rival we never had before.

pokemonpokemonpokemon59 April 14th, 2012 10:21 PM

Rival Reminds me of a mental image I have of Gale from the Hunger Games....

sonia789 April 15th, 2012 8:39 AM

I think his personality is like Silver, Blue, and Barry. Or maybe only clever and charming to the player and friends.

Mew~ April 15th, 2012 9:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7132298)
If he's friendly in the beginning, I'm hoping either Akumora or Team Plasma (orrr, the new evil team if not Plasma) will make him "realize what he wants to do in life". Then he could join their side, and be this epic rival we never had before.

Aha, that does kind of sound like a cool scenario, not exactly original - but I suppose for a Pokémon game. I could picture it quite well.

Ho-Oh April 15th, 2012 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sonia789 (Post 7133007)
I think his personality is like Silver, Blue, and Barry. Or maybe only clever and charming to the player and friends.

Misread as female, which is interesting, because other than the female protagonist, I think he might be a womanizer in order to get to where he needs to get. Or at least willing to pull all the shots to win. ;)


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