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[Spoiler]TM Changes
So now there's a move discussion thread, TM changes are kinda necessary too imo, mainly because Stealth Rock should be a TM and so on! So, do you guys think the TMs will change much from B/W had? Do you think of the ones B/W replaced, we'll have a whole new TM-set sorta, or a variation based on what was kept before B/W? Is there any TMs you'd like to see return, and you think are likely to return? AND if so why. :3
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I'll agree that there are some TM's that need to be substituted for better moves and as much as I want it to I just don't see it happening. It would be kind of logical to just maintain the TMs & HMs used in Black & White but then again anything is possible.
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Again, I don't see anything changing with current moves and sources. Only expecting Move tutor to show up. Also seems like a jump backwards to revert older TMs back into the list right now.
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Maybe all the moves that were TMs in Gen IV that got replaced in B/W could become Move Tutor moves.
I'd love to see Dark Pulse, Stealth Rock and Dragon Pulse especially. |
Dark Pulse, Drain Punch and Giga Drain are such moves that I want as TMs again.
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They really should bring back older Gen IV TM's, and retool the list a bit. Less gimmicky support & combination moves and more straightforward, power moves
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Frost Breath TM can be learned by 10 different pokemon. Kind of defeats the purpose of being a TM if so few get to learn it.
Stealth Rock should be a TM. I never use it, but a lot of competitive people do. |
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I think that we will have all the TMs we had in B/W plus some more. I just really want my Stealth Rock, Roost, Giga Drain and Drain Punch back. It's annoying having to EV train and do everything in a 4th generation game, only to have to transfer to B/W to get some Pokémon with those moves.
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I have a feeling B/W2 will ruin TMs like GSC did, in a sense they make a lot of moves, mostly useless, TMs. Maybe they won't, but sense all TMs are of unlimited use, it's ringing in my ear for no particular reason. Anyway, Stealth Rock deserves to be a TM if things like Grass Knot and Brine stayed. Dark Pulse and Dragon pulse as well, since I just love to be mainstream<3~!
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Definitely need Dark Pulse and dragon Pulse that would be so much help. Rather than breeding in a different gen, getting the moveset right, then trading to B/W or B/W2. |
I'd like to see Dark Pulse come back, but something tells me there won't be much of a change at all, if any.
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While I know it's not impossible, and with GameFreak anything could happen at this point, I don't think the TMs will differ from B/W's TMs.
At most they'll just change how they're obtained, but other than that I don't see them changing the line-up when looking at how they handled it in past games like Platinum. You never know, though! These games do take place in the future, and may break sequence as far as trading between games goes which would leave an open opportunity to change it without having it conflict with other games. |
Stealth Rock please! Very useful in terms of competitive battling, and I always thought it was a TM before. :[
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Though I do agree with you. I have a feeling that the TMs will stay just as they are, which is fine by me. But if they change it... Eeee~ <3 |
I'd like to see the elemental punches, DynamicPunch, Dragon Pulse, Dark Pulse, and Giga Drain return as TMs.
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Personally I don't want Stealth rock to return as a tm...it was way too overused in Gen IV...
I'll like to see drain punch return as well, and the elemental punches should be tm's this time around. |
Just no Roost.
Poison Heal Gliscor with Roost, ugh... |
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i personally DO NOT want stealth rock, its too anoying, when in competive it almost instantly kills some pokemon
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I want to see the elemental punches return. Roost would be helpful as well since my Flygon in 4th gen uses it. I'd actually like to see Brine return too, as it's a good Double/Triple battle alternative to the "hit everyone on screen" Surf and a certain Ice/Water type that I want on my team can't learn Scald...
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As for those who said Drain Punch, yes plz. Not sure of what Pokemon would really benefit from that, but just having that there would be nice. :3 |
Truthfully the meta game would be turned upside down if stealth rock return to a TM but I would like to to see roost, the punches + drain punch to return as TMs.
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I'd like to see some of the Gen IV TMs to make comebacks in B2/W2, like Drain Punch, Giga Drain and Stealth Rock. If not, then I want them to at least be tutor moves, if tutors are put in the game.
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Drain Punch plz. i didn't even think of that. Drain Punch got that very pretty power boost, so now i want all of my Pokemon knowing it. Adding it back as a TM would make me so happy. I also hope to see a few of the very original attacks as TMs, too. Maybe like Fissure (just for kicks) or Pay Day and Bubblebeam. I would like Teleport back as a TM. It was fun having a Cloyster that knew Teleport. I really don't understand the point of Quash being a TM. Nor Round or Echoed Voice. Struggle Bug is somewhat useless, so seeing it being replaced with...idk, Bug Buzz would be nifty. c:
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Of course then there's the houses that heal you, but still, it'd be pretty nifty to have. |
A move I'll like to see as tm again would be Seed bomb, I mean it got a power up but there aren't that many Pokemon who can learn it naturally.
Teleport would be nice to have, maybe they can make it into a Hm to make it more useful (perhaps it opens secret doors like dig did with the underwater regi door in RSE) |
Bringing back Stealth Rock and the like for competitive would be pretty nice, same goes for old TM's that are egg moves/hard to pass moves like Dark Pulse, etc. Less stupid support moves would also be nice.
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Another move I'll like to see return is dream eater, mostly so that Munna can have it early on.
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Opp, I meant to say nightmare...
This might not have to do with new tm's but where do you think the tm's will be placed this time around? I can see sandstorm being around the new ruins. |
I would want TM changes very much. Third versions such as Platinum and the others probably didn't offer TM changes and went for the Move Tutor approach because TM's can still be traded through Pokémon back then. But now that TM's can no longer be held, they better change some of the more gimmicky ones like Round, Echoed Voice and Struggle Bug. I'm liking the thought of having Drain Punch, Giga Drain, Roost, Dragon Pulse and Dark Pulse back as TM's. They could add a few new ones, too, as long as they make the new TM's compatible with various Pokémon.
If they couldn't change them, then they could at least make the current ones available to other Pokémon previously left out. I'll be fine with that. |
Please god, bring back Stealth Rock, Dark Pulse and Dragon Pulse -.-
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All I know is they should not have 120 power moves as TM's, I mean come on people, you know you you just feed that stuff to all your pkmn like chocolate
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Man, they're are so many moves I want as TMs. Obviously, I'd like to see SR return, as well as Dark/Dragon Pulse and Roost.
As for other moves, I'd like to see Nasty Plot (with distribution as wide as Swords Dance >_>), Aura Sphere, and Earth Power. |
Permanent TMs make move tutors redundant, save for Draco Meteor and other special moves.
Immagine BW2 had 50% -- 100% different Library of TMs. By owning BW and BW2, you get more TMs. |
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Solar Beam- Takes a turn to charge Focus Blast- Mediocre accuracy Thunder- Mediocre accuracy outside of rain Blizzard- Mediocre accuracy outside of blizzard Fire Blast- There isn't anything wrong with this one. I guess I could say it gets weaker in the rain. |
STEALTH ROCKS. BRING THEM BACK AS TMs >:(
You know how annoying it is having to breed in 4th gen, then catch other random Pokes just so you can transfer over? MAKE IT HAPPEN GAMEFREAK. |
I wish they kept Dark Pulse as a TM, that was the only good Dark move learnable via TM, infact it's probably one of the best Dark type moves.
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One change I would like to see doesn't involve the move itself but where in the game you get it. I didn't like that Ice Beam wasn't obtainable until post-game, and I definitely want to see that changed in B2/W2. Blizzard has horrible accuracy, and Samurott couldn't learn Frost Breath, so I was essentially stuck without a decent Ice attack till very late in the game.
TM 13, TM 24, and TM 35 were traditionally available in the Game Corner as prizes. Since I don't think there's much chance of bringing the Game Corners back, these TM's should be made available for purchase somewhere, just so you obtain them in a somewhat similar manner. |
While I'm not an expert in whether the Game Corner can come back, the Flamethrower, Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt TMs have been buyable with coins at every Game Corner since Generation III, with the exception of the GBA Wireless ones in FR/LG/E.
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I totally agree with some of the old TM's coming back especially Stealth Rock, Drain Punch, the list can go on. Another thing that would be cool although not a TM, move tutors would be great maybe some with old 4th gen moves?
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Now, you can't give TMs as items, so they could make a completely new set of TMs and eliminate tutors with this. Also, Stealth Rock is useless in doubles and those are the official format, so IMO it's very unlikely that this move will return as TM (referring to the first post).
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I agree with the above tbh. I think that Stealth Rock didn't really -need- to be taken out in the first place, and the fact that it "wasn't necessary" shouldn't really count as a lot of TMs we have now aren't necessary. So really, ya. :x Still it'd be nice to have SR - not sure what I'd like to learn it via TM, but I think it would help people think more about their team set-out to be able to have that on more than just a few Pokemon.
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Yes, singles are popular among players, but it's not what Game Freak and Nintendo care about, unfortunately. And that's my point about unnecessity of SR at all. I miss Giga Drain and Drain Punch as TMs as well as Roost, teaching Hydreigon Dark Pulse via egg move is kinda hilarious as well. I wish they make a completely new set of TMs but that is very unlikely to happen. IMO, they could put elemental punches in place of Ice Beam, T-Bolt and Flamethrower as they are available in BW and the games will be compatibile. If they change a lot of TMs, there won't be any need to put move tutors in the game. Actually, it would be convienient - you'd have to pay for the move only once! :)
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I'd rather have my Ice punch early in the game than my Ice Beam post E4, to be honest. Also, trading nowadays isn't a big deal, so I guess it would be OK to send someone a pokemon just to teach it a TM or two.
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Can't believe I forgot Drain Punch! But yes, there needs to be more TMs. I don't care if you have to take some away, like Struggle Bug or Frost Breath.
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Again I would perfer if they didn't bring back Stealth rock, that tm was overused and imo overrated...
I would like to see Drain punch return, I find it sad that they removed it after one gen and after giving it an update in this one :( |
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I see bringing back Stealth Rock as a serious issue due to abusibility. It was removed for a reason what ever that may be, and seeing as Gamefreak is pro meta I think that had something to do with it. |
But Stealth Rock isn't threatening. XD; It's something that puts Pokemon at bay rather than allow them to just overpower everything. If they really want that they might as well ban them from official tournaments tbh. More users of Stealth Rock would decrease some of the issues now and possibly bring about balance to what is currently not so balanced. :(
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All I want is some better TMs like Bug Buzz, Dark Pulse, Stealth Rock, etc...
In BW it ticked me off with moves like Struggle Bug and Incinerate. |
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Also how about the increase some of the tm's powers, some of them were really quite weak... |
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(Is F-Blast a team? I feel it is, either way even if it isn't it should be!) |
Ehh, no Focus blast will become quite broken if so, it's the Blizzard, Thunder, Fire Blast, etc. of the fighting type. What i'll like to see is an increase in the power of Struggle bug.
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Four TMs have been confirmed in B2W2 and so far they are still the same. You also get these four in the beginning of the game which is pretty cool.
TM 09 Venoshock from Homika TM 21 Frustration from an In game event TM 27 Return from Bianca TM 83 Work Up from Cheren No changes so far. |
Return early on is awesome for things like Sawsbuck. n_n As for the other two, unfortunately not over exciting, but Return is still good for Lillipup so I'm fine w/ that.
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Return be epiiiic. Venoshock is pretty neat, too! I hope they do get rid of Incinerate. :c
I hate that move. So useless as time goes on anywhere past CILAN. |
They should at least increase incinerate's powers ( they supposedly changes a types strengths and weaknesses so why not change a tm's power?) to make it slightly more useful like 40 damage.
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Before now, I would have said that TM changes were an impossibility. Up to Gen IV, TMs were holdable items, and so they would cause compatibility issues between games if they were traded. However, since TMs are permanent/non-tradeable in Black/White, I think they could easily make some changes in B2W2.
I also like the confirmed TMs so far, as they're pretty good to have at such an early stage in the game, and should prove useful for some of the crappy moves some Gen V Pokemon have.. |
TM 55 Scald (Given by Shizui)
TM 94 Snarl (Unknown gift) Both of these were confirmed to be in the game. |
Well we do know Fireblast,Thunder, and Blizzard are coming back they been in every game since RBY
But, i wonder what the hms would be and if we still hace dive there better be better diving places than B/W mediocre diving places |
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I also see Thunderbolt, Flamethrower, and Ice Beam as TMs again.
Them three moves are like staples in Pokemon and in the TMs |
No TM changes, but most of the moves from this thread became tutor moves.
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It really doesn't look like any TMs are changing so far. Pokebeach just found Thief and Rock Smash.
TM46 Thief is on the ground at the Combine. If you defeat three workers, you also get TM94 Rock Smash. |
With all of the Move Tutors, it'd almost be completely pointless to make any changes to the TM roster. I mean, you have almost everything in the metagame covered via TM/HM.
I'm a little upset that Scald, my favorite move, is obtained after so long in the game, though. :c |
TM 28 Dig
TM 39 Rock Tomb TM 70 Flash TM 72 Volt Switch TM 76 Struggle Bug TM 78 Bulldoze These have been confirmed. |
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