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Ho-Oh April 14th, 2012 5:40 PM

[Spoiler]TM Changes
 
So now there's a move discussion thread, TM changes are kinda necessary too imo, mainly because Stealth Rock should be a TM and so on! So, do you guys think the TMs will change much from B/W had? Do you think of the ones B/W replaced, we'll have a whole new TM-set sorta, or a variation based on what was kept before B/W? Is there any TMs you'd like to see return, and you think are likely to return? AND if so why. :3

blue April 14th, 2012 5:42 PM

I'll agree that there are some TM's that need to be substituted for better moves and as much as I want it to I just don't see it happening. It would be kind of logical to just maintain the TMs & HMs used in Black & White but then again anything is possible.

Xander Olivieri April 14th, 2012 5:49 PM

Again, I don't see anything changing with current moves and sources. Only expecting Move tutor to show up. Also seems like a jump backwards to revert older TMs back into the list right now.

Hikamaru April 14th, 2012 6:04 PM

Maybe all the moves that were TMs in Gen IV that got replaced in B/W could become Move Tutor moves.

I'd love to see Dark Pulse, Stealth Rock and Dragon Pulse especially.

DarkWolf13 April 14th, 2012 8:06 PM

Dark Pulse, Drain Punch and Giga Drain are such moves that I want as TMs again.

Livewire April 14th, 2012 8:12 PM

They really should bring back older Gen IV TM's, and retool the list a bit. Less gimmicky support & combination moves and more straightforward, power moves

SnowpointQuincy April 14th, 2012 9:14 PM

Frost Breath TM can be learned by 10 different pokemon. Kind of defeats the purpose of being a TM if so few get to learn it.

Stealth Rock should be a TM. I never use it, but a lot of competitive people do.

Hikamaru April 14th, 2012 9:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SnowpointQuincy (Post 7132780)
Frost Breath TM can be learned by 10 different pokemon. Kind of defeats the purpose of being a TM if so few get to learn it.

Stealth Rock should be a TM. I never use it, but a lot of competitive people do.

You are right, everything that learns Frost Breath except Mew is an Ice-type.

vaporeon7 April 14th, 2012 9:42 PM

I think that we will have all the TMs we had in B/W plus some more. I just really want my Stealth Rock, Roost, Giga Drain and Drain Punch back. It's annoying having to EV train and do everything in a 4th generation game, only to have to transfer to B/W to get some Pokémon with those moves.

antemortem April 14th, 2012 9:55 PM

I have a feeling B/W2 will ruin TMs like GSC did, in a sense they make a lot of moves, mostly useless, TMs. Maybe they won't, but sense all TMs are of unlimited use, it's ringing in my ear for no particular reason. Anyway, Stealth Rock deserves to be a TM if things like Grass Knot and Brine stayed. Dark Pulse and Dragon pulse as well, since I just love to be mainstream<3~!

Turn-it April 14th, 2012 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Minzy (Post 7132851)
I have a feeling B/W2 will ruin TMs like GSC did, in a sense they make a lot of moves, mostly useless, TMs. Maybe they won't, but sense all TMs are of unlimited use, it's ringing in my ear for no particular reason. Anyway, Stealth Rock deserves to be a TM if things like Grass Knot and Brine stayed. Dark Pulse and Dragon pulse as well, since I just love to be mainstream<3~!


Definitely need Dark Pulse and dragon Pulse that would be so much help. Rather than breeding in a different gen, getting the moveset right, then trading to B/W or B/W2.

Jellicent♀ April 15th, 2012 8:38 AM

I'd like to see Dark Pulse come back, but something tells me there won't be much of a change at all, if any.

Cello April 15th, 2012 8:42 AM

While I know it's not impossible, and with GameFreak anything could happen at this point, I don't think the TMs will differ from B/W's TMs.
At most they'll just change how they're obtained, but other than that I don't see them changing the line-up when looking at how they handled it in past games like Platinum.

You never know, though! These games do take place in the future, and may break sequence as far as trading between games goes which would leave an open opportunity to change it without having it conflict with other games.

Zelda April 15th, 2012 8:43 AM

Stealth Rock please! Very useful in terms of competitive battling, and I always thought it was a TM before. :[

Jellicent♀ April 15th, 2012 8:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cello (Post 7133010)
While I know it's not impossible, and with GameFreak anything could happen at this point, I don't think the TMs will differ from B/W's TMs.
At most they'll just change how they're obtained, but other than that I don't see them changing the line-up when looking at how they handled it in past games like Platinum.

You never know, though! These games do take place in the future, and may break sequence as far as trading between games goes which would leave an open opportunity to change it without having it conflict with other games when trading.

Well when I think about it, Platinum and B2/W2 are pretty different. Where Platinum was just a remake of D/P, B2/W2 are straight up sequels. The last main series sequels we had, G/S/C, had an entirely different line-up of TMs all together. Who's to say they won't do the same for these sequels?
Though I do agree with you. I have a feeling that the TMs will stay just as they are, which is fine by me.
But if they change it... Eeee~ <3

classiccartoonsftw April 15th, 2012 10:50 AM

I'd like to see the elemental punches, DynamicPunch, Dragon Pulse, Dark Pulse, and Giga Drain return as TMs.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 15th, 2012 12:37 PM

Personally I don't want Stealth rock to return as a tm...it was way too overused in Gen IV...

I'll like to see drain punch return as well, and the elemental punches should be tm's this time around.

MegaKuriboh April 15th, 2012 1:51 PM

Just no Roost.

Poison Heal Gliscor with Roost, ugh...

antemortem April 15th, 2012 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Turn-it (Post 7132872)



Definitely need Dark Pulse and dragon Pulse that would be so much help. Rather than breeding in a different gen, getting the moveset right, then trading to B/W or B/W2.

Exactly. Too much work for competitive play.

kingofbluesteel April 16th, 2012 6:39 AM

i personally DO NOT want stealth rock, its too anoying, when in competive it almost instantly kills some pokemon

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ April 16th, 2012 6:55 AM

I want to see the elemental punches return. Roost would be helpful as well since my Flygon in 4th gen uses it. I'd actually like to see Brine return too, as it's a good Double/Triple battle alternative to the "hit everyone on screen" Surf and a certain Ice/Water type that I want on my team can't learn Scald...

Ho-Oh April 16th, 2012 7:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kingofbluesteel (Post 7134497)
i personally DO NOT want stealth rock, its too anoying, when in competive it almost instantly kills some pokemon

Only Shedinja. :x

As for those who said Drain Punch, yes plz. Not sure of what Pokemon would really benefit from that, but just having that there would be nice. :3

BlankPoints April 16th, 2012 10:59 AM

Truthfully the meta game would be turned upside down if stealth rock return to a TM but I would like to to see roost, the punches + drain punch to return as TMs.

PlatinumDude April 16th, 2012 4:48 PM

I'd like to see some of the Gen IV TMs to make comebacks in B2/W2, like Drain Punch, Giga Drain and Stealth Rock. If not, then I want them to at least be tutor moves, if tutors are put in the game.

Jellicent♀ April 16th, 2012 5:06 PM

Drain Punch plz. i didn't even think of that. Drain Punch got that very pretty power boost, so now i want all of my Pokemon knowing it. Adding it back as a TM would make me so happy. I also hope to see a few of the very original attacks as TMs, too. Maybe like Fissure (just for kicks) or Pay Day and Bubblebeam. I would like Teleport back as a TM. It was fun having a Cloyster that knew Teleport. I really don't understand the point of Quash being a TM. Nor Round or Echoed Voice. Struggle Bug is somewhat useless, so seeing it being replaced with...idk, Bug Buzz would be nifty. c:


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