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Legendary Silke May 11th, 2012 8:08 PM

I'm not sure whether I'm excited or indifferent to Cheren being a Gym Leader this time around. I'm also in the same situation with regards to Bianca's current role, but it does make sense considering what happened in BW.

I think N looks younger this time around, too. It's strange, isn't it?

Zelda May 11th, 2012 8:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7171446)
I thought that, too! D:
Maybe it's because his smile seems like he's actually HAPPY, now. Where as before he was sad and emo and junk and ready to blow up all the people. It looks like Team Plasma itself is back, but very...uh, humble looking, now. Apart from their costumes, they seem to be living in shared quarters. Almost looks like an apartment. Maybe N himself lives there!

I wanted N to return looking very fierce, seeking revenge. He can't be too wise right away! At least he returned though I suppose.

Jellicent♀ May 11th, 2012 8:13 PM

Maybe the showing of a younger N hints that we'll just get a very detailed back story as to what had happened to him prior to and after the Pokemon League incident?

Bluerang1 May 11th, 2012 8:14 PM

I'm wondering why Cheren decides to be a Normal type Gym leader and move to South West Unova? He's the first Gym I heard.

Ho-Oh May 11th, 2012 8:17 PM

Misty and Brock just makes me think anime tbh. Not really a fan of them returning ;; Giovanni trying to relaunch team rocket...?

RedJ May 11th, 2012 8:18 PM

....the heck is up with N's face....o-o

Also, anyone else notice that Bianca's glasses look EXACTLY like Cheren's, which he seems to no longer be wearing?

Hikamaru May 11th, 2012 8:20 PM

I'm glad Cheren, Bianca an N are returning. They were such great characters.

Bianca wears glasses now? Maybe she might be the new professor?

And I've heard that Homika is Brycen's daughter? This will make it the second main series game where a Gym Leader and their child are both Gym Leaders in the same game (after Roark and Byron in D/P/Pt).

I like how so many old characters are returning like Steven, Cynthia, Misty, Brock, Lance and Giovanni.

Zelda May 11th, 2012 8:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7171476)
Misty and Brock just makes me think anime tbh. Not really a fan of them returning ;; Giovanni trying to relaunch team rocket...?

Could be an explanation to the guys in black uniforms.

So Giovanni's going to be returning once again (guess he didn't die!). This doesn't add up, really!

@Hikari10 - Nope, Homika's father hasn't been revealed.
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Icirrus City Gym Leader Brycen appears, has a confrontation with Homika's father who wants to be a movie star, and is part of PokéWood.

Ho-Oh May 11th, 2012 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by redjacketalchemist (Post 7171479)
....the heck is up with N's face....o-o

Also, anyone else notice that Bianca's glasses look EXACTLY like Cheren's, which he seems to no longer be wearing?

Please don't tell me they are now a couple upon returning >___>

Oh wait @ kaori I forgot he died o_O how strange!

★Midnight★ May 11th, 2012 8:38 PM

In the game, I want N to return.
In the anime, this. http://www.serebiiforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4299&d=1336793882
^^

Poliwagged May 11th, 2012 9:07 PM

http://i.imgur.com/eP3bI.png

Let's talk about Ruby now.

Back to never going on this website again. Later.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 11th, 2012 9:22 PM

Geovanni's apperance makes me hopeful that Cyrus will return...though unlike him Cyrus was never a gym leader...so geo might simply be appearing because of his Gym leader status in Gen I and remakes...

RedJ May 11th, 2012 9:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Poliwagged (Post 7171534)
http://i.imgur.com/eP3bI.png

Let's talk about Ruby now.

Back to never going on this website again. Later.

Not sure, but I think that's actually Steven. Or maybe it is Ruby, and I just can't tell because of the small scan/my vision's bad. I dunno.

Dillon_68 May 11th, 2012 10:03 PM

Bianca's wearing Cheren's glasses, and Cheren is blushing. Hmmm...

And that's definitely Steven in the scan, not Ruby/Brendan.

Ho-Oh May 11th, 2012 10:10 PM

Looking more closely at Bianca, I really like how she was redesigned. Cheren seems quite weird, but Bianca looks more mature & less of a klutz.

Ho-Oh May 11th, 2012 10:20 PM

Well maybe the fact that she was undecided between model and professor, perhaps Juniper is just training her to follow in her footsteps rn and that she could also have a modelling career on the side and by the end we decide what she's really going to do with life?

alisaie May 11th, 2012 10:40 PM

Bianca looks flipping adorable imo. Also I think later one she really started to feel like following Juniper's footsteps and becoming a Pokemon Professor as well in Black/White. Least that goal seems more prominent than her becoming an actress? I'm not really sure.

Xander Olivieri May 11th, 2012 11:22 PM

It says Binaca gives you your Starter Pokemon as a Favor for Juniper who can't be there.

As for why she is Juniper's assistant....she became Juniper's Assistant in Black and White. After the incident in Castella Bianca is pretty much seen with Professor Juniper and is always assisting her. Seems pretty obvious she became her assistant through the course of the game play.

Treecko May 12th, 2012 12:12 AM

I like Bianca's new design, though it seems odd for her to be an assistant.I wonder if the fact she has Cheren's glass indicate any sort of relationship.

So if Cheren and Bianca are returning, does this mean our heroes, Hilda and Hilbert will be returning? They could be like E4 or something.

Ivysaur May 12th, 2012 12:22 AM

Giovanni taking his place as Gym Leader back after all the mess in Gen I and II sounds a bit weird, but maybe it's just that the International Police hasn't told the guys in Unova about him being the elader of a criminal band and all (way to go Looker!).

Anyway, they have a crapton of nostalgia leaders so I'm glad they bring them back (Janine and Blue hell yeah!).

Perriechu May 12th, 2012 1:38 AM

I'm actually really excited about a lot of the old characters returning. :D

Brock, Misty, Voltner and such. So excited ;o; I hope we still get to see the old leaders, like Lenora since it's obvious her position has been filled as a Normal type leader. );

Legendary Silke May 12th, 2012 2:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonomega (Post 7171686)
I'm actually really excited about a lot of the old characters returning. :D

Brock, Misty, Voltner and such. So excited ;o; I hope we still get to see the old leaders, like Lenora since it's obvious her position has been filled as a Normal type leader. );

Now, come to think about it, it might be one of these things where we'll have to wait it out for more information, but Lenora being back? Uh... I hope this time isn't as difficult as the last go-around. :P Sure gave me trouble with that Watchog!

BryGuy Shinigami May 12th, 2012 3:18 AM

If they are bringing the Gym Leaders of Kanto back, I hope all of them (meaning Sabrina) and I hope they bring her old look back, but as far as who is coming back for sure, I am glad Bianca is back, she made me laugh throughout B/W and kind of reminds me of Yui from K-ON. And I like her new look, she looks so cute. As for who I hope comes back: Sabrina (as mentioned), Archie, Maxie, Cyrus (could have escaped DW), Looker, and I hope Lenora is still a gym leader. I enjoy battling her and she was not that hard imo. I would also like to see HB Charles, Ghetsis, and Scott (he was awesome in Emerald).

blue May 12th, 2012 3:28 AM

http://pokebeach.com/news/0512/corocoro-2.jpg

Just saw this and I'm so glad that's it's confirmed, this looks great and the fact that Cynthia, Green (Gary), Brock, Misty, Lt. Surge, Erika, Janine, Blaine, Giovanni, Volkner, Steven Stone, and Lance are all returning and hopefully more. Just can't wait for these games now! Also, is it just me or does the battle below Gary and diagonal to Lance the character look like Brendan?

Bluerang1 May 12th, 2012 3:31 AM

Volkner! he and Elesa could be shipped easier now haha. Glad to see the old Gym Leaders. What seems odd is that Steven might be the only one from Hoenn. Saving the other sprites for the remakes?

BryGuy Shinigami May 12th, 2012 3:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7171756)
http://pokebeach.com/news/0512/corocoro-2.jpg

Just saw this and I'm so glad that's it's confirmed, this looks great and the fact that Cynthia, Green (Gary), Brock, Misty, Lt. Surge, Erika, Janine, Blaine, Giovanni, Volkner, Steven Stone, and Lance are all returning and hopefully more. Just can't wait for these games now! Also, is it just me or does the battle below Gary and diagonal to Lance the character look like Brendan?

Could be either Branden or Steven. Looks like one or the other.

blue May 12th, 2012 3:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 7171760)
Volkner! he and Elesa could be shipped easier now haha. Glad to see the old Gym Leaders. What seems odd is that Steven might be the only one from Hoenn. Saving the other sprites for the remakes?

That was my thought exactly, either that or some Hoenn leaders will be revealed soon after and then they are ready to be implemented into remakes but back onto topic, it's funny how they've used the same sprites from HGSS for the Kanto & Johto leaders from the looks of it anyway & I do think that is Brendan in one of the battle scenes.

wombateiro May 12th, 2012 4:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7171756)
Also, is it just me or does the battle below Gary and diagonal to Lance the character look like Brendan?[/SIZE][/COLOR]

It's clearly Steven. I have no idea how can you see Brendan on that picture. Unless it's Brendan cosplaying Steven lol.

BryGuy Shinigami May 12th, 2012 4:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7171795)
It's clearly Steven. I have no idea how can you see Brendan on that picture. Unless it's Brendan cosplaying Steven lol.

I looks like it could be either to me, I think it's Steven since he is definitely in there.

Aquarius1997 May 12th, 2012 4:20 AM

Some speculation is finally over
Personally i would have like to see more hoenn leaders in the scan would sooth my troubled mind that they would make a hoenn remake

Superjub May 12th, 2012 4:25 AM

I'm guessing Blue/Green is going to be classified as a Champion and not Gym Leader, just due to the fact that he's next to Cynthia and on the other side there is Steven and Lance, so I'd assume Giovanni would be classed as a Gym leader then. XP This is clearly guess work though, since I don't understand any of the text.

I do really like the idea of PokeWood though. :D It sounds so much better than Musicals, and returning characters ftw!!! XD

PokeGirlBel May 12th, 2012 5:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Retribution (Post 7171820)
I'm guessing Blue/Green is going to be classified as a Champion and not Gym Leader, just due to the fact that he's next to Cynthia and on the other side there is Steven and Lance, so I'd assume Giovanni would be classed as a Gym leader then. XP This is clearly guess work though, since I don't understand any of the text.

I do really like the idea of PokeWood though. :D It sounds so much better than Musicals, and returning characters ftw!!! XD

But that would not make sense would it? The Team Rocket grunt was in BW 1 so if BW is based after Gen 2 wouldn't Giovanni be exposed? I'm guessing maybe he joins Ghetis in some plan. Idk. I mean maybe they ignore the timeline and he does appear as a gym leader.

Superjub May 12th, 2012 5:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PokeGirlBel (Post 7171856)
But that would not make sense would it? The Team Rocket grunt was in BW 1 so if BW is based after Gen 2 wouldn't Giovanni be exposed? I'm guessing maybe he joins Ghetis in some plan. Idk. I mean maybe they ignore the timeline and he does appear as a gym leader.

Yeah, I'm guessing it is just significant characters, and the placement is just coincidence. I completely forgot about the grunt in B/W, bur yeah, you're right. That would mean that Lance is still champion of Kanto unless Blue/someone else has become champion in the time between B/W and B2/W2 (doubt it though.) Maybe it is just significant characters -simple as. XP And that yeah, I'm just over-analysing things. XP

wombateiro May 12th, 2012 10:02 AM

Lack of Wallace as Champion makes me think that B2/W2 take place before R/S/E. To make it clear, I'd like Wallace to appear as Juan's student in B2/W2.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ May 12th, 2012 10:20 AM

Introducing old characters concerns me since it could open the door to bring back a certain someone who I don't want to see since he's been in enough games already. At least he isn't on this list, and fortunately, none of the announced have been player characters and the Champions from each region have been accounted for, so I'm hopeful this bodes well that you-know-who will stay out of the game.

However Blaine, Surge, and Giovanni are win (even if I wish they went back to Blaine's old lab-coat look... he looked more epic that way). So I guess this means Giovanni's reformed now if he's appearing in this capacity? And I'm so glad they chose Steven over Wallace as Hoenn's Champ representative.

Regarding the Grunt, I've always thought he joined after Gio left the first time, so he likely wouldn't have seen the man in person; just heard of him through the rest of the team. When you encountered him in Cerulean, he seemed like a greenhorn to me xD

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 12th, 2012 10:47 AM

I wonder, since the gym leaders from Kanto/Johto look the same is BW perhaps a few months after GSCDPPHgss with BW2 three years post...
Either way I find the lack of Hoenn gym leaders interesting...perhaps they'll show off more Gen III and IV gym leaders (Volkner seems to be the only sinnoh one) later...or perhaps they're omitted for a reason...

Perriechu May 12th, 2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7172312)
I wonder, since the gym leaders from Kanto/Johto look the same is BW perhaps a few months after GSCDPPHgss with BW2 three years post...
Either way I find the lack of Hoenn gym leaders interesting...perhaps they'll show off more Gen III and IV gym leaders (Volkner seems to be the only sinnoh one) later...or perhaps they're omitted for a reason...

I think they'll still feature Hoenn and Sinnoh leaders, they just chose to show those specific ones. I hope we get to see Winona, Norman and Flannery.

Zayphora May 12th, 2012 1:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7171756)

Wait a minute- is it just my imagination or does the person across the leader board from Erika look like Mars? That doesn't make any sense. Anyone know who that is? I've no idea.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 12th, 2012 1:11 PM

I just realized, this is the first time that Hoenn members will have in battle sprites in a DS game...I hope the rest are redesigned ^_^, maybe cameo their new looks...
Norman, Watson,Wallace, Flannery, and Winnona are the one's I'm hoping to see the most...come to think about it how will the twins fit into this tournament...will there be a double's match? Oh and if so hopefully Chilli and his siblings will have a triple match...

Ghiaccio May 12th, 2012 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Zayphora (Post 7172448)
Wait a minute- is it just my imagination or does the person across the leader board from Erika look like Mars? That doesn't make any sense. Anyone know who that is? I've no idea.

Nah I'm pretty sure it's Misty.

Ah yes, so excited for this feature!. I kinda wish it was 6 on 6, but that probably would make the battles too long or tough or something idk. Some more Hoenn leaders and maybe... well nah I'm fine with no more Sinnoh but more Hoenn would be nice. I kinda wish they took the time to redesign the sprites and artwork and such though, although it's not that big of a deal.

PokeGirlBel May 12th, 2012 2:36 PM

Could be like the anime leagues. First 3 on 3 then the finals are 6 on 6

Zelda May 12th, 2012 4:13 PM

@MRAS & drakonomega - Maybe the lack of Hoenn Gym Leaders will be a good thing, since they should leave it to RS remakes. u_u

Also, I'm glad Cheren is returning (and a Gym Leader at that), but why does he have to have a Patrat? I would guess it's because he's just starting off fulfilling his dreams and this is how he has to go about it, but it sucks. Doesn't he know better than to have a Patrat? :s

Ghiaccio May 12th, 2012 6:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7172727)

Also, I'm glad Cheren is returning (and a Gym Leader at that), but why does he have to have a Patrat?

Ah I was wondering the same thing. Why in the world would he end up as the first gym leader, I mean he was all for strength and stuff... The only explanation I can think of is that he's trying to find strength in the weaker Pokemon but thats just a guess... Kinda disappointing IMO

PlatinumDude May 12th, 2012 6:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7172727)
@MRAS & drakonomega - Maybe the lack of Hoenn Gym Leaders will be a good thing, since they should leave it to RS remakes. u_u

Also, I'm glad Cheren is returning (and a Gym Leader at that), but why does he have to have a Patrat? I would guess it's because he's just starting off fulfilling his dreams and this is how he has to go about it, but it sucks. Doesn't he know better than to have a Patrat? :s

I'm glad that Cheren made a comeback too, and I was wondering the same thing. I'm guessing that he's still learning the ropes on how to be a Gym Leader, and I think that he wants to take things slow and easy by having something like a Patrat.

Vsjester13 May 12th, 2012 7:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Zayphora (Post 7172448)
Wait a minute- is it just my imagination or does the person across the leader board from Erika look like Mars? That doesn't make any sense. Anyone know who that is? I've no idea.

I think it's Misty the hair looks more orange then red.

Aquarius1997 May 12th, 2012 7:58 PM

Lol
It is kind of redundant of cheren always ranting about how he wants to become stronger in b/w but he starts with a patrat

BIG LEAP TO STRENGHTH CHEREN
lol

Esper May 12th, 2012 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zayphora (Post 7172448)
Wait a minute- is it just my imagination or does the person across the leader board from Erika look like Mars? That doesn't make any sense. Anyone know who that is? I've no idea.

It's unmistakably Misty since it says her name right next to it.

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Originally Posted by Retribution (Post 7171820)
I'm guessing Blue/Green is going to be classified as a Champion and not Gym Leader, just due to the fact that he's next to Cynthia and on the other side there is Steven and Lance, so I'd assume Giovanni would be classed as a Gym leader then. XP This is clearly guess work though, since I don't understand any of the text.

Green/Blue is being labeled as Kanto Champion. Lance, Steven, and Cynthia are labeled champs of their respective regions, too. Giovanni is labeled as a gym leader.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ May 13th, 2012 2:40 AM

Not too happy with Cheren's major dressing-down to first Gym Leader... I would have thought he'd have a more lofty position.

And I'm not sure how this whole tourney thing's going to be able to include all the Gym Leaders... it seems a little too ambitious to me.

Zelda May 13th, 2012 6:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Elite Overlord LeSabre™ (Post 7173286)
Not too happy with Cheren's major dressing-down to first Gym Leader... I would have thought he'd have a more lofty position.

And I'm not sure how this whole tourney thing's going to be able to include all the Gym Leaders... it seems a little too ambitious to me.

I agree, Cheren went from professional looking to bland. u_u

Oh if Bianca upon her return, hasn't matured a whole lot after two years, that will be upsetting.

PlatinumDude May 13th, 2012 4:43 PM

I just don't get why Giovanni is returning in B2/W2. In the HG/SS event, didn't he run out of the cave in Tohjo Falls and jump off a waterfall? At first, I guessed that would've killed him, but since he's returning in B2/W2, does that mean he survived?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 13th, 2012 6:17 PM

Well with the mention that events activate the characters it's possible that it may or may not be canonical, also if you notice he has his Gen III look rather than his Gen IV look...
His presence might also be a retcon...

Ho-Oh May 13th, 2012 6:36 PM

Well it could be a Giovanni double :x orrrr his twin, could be something like that to explain the timeline inaccuracy. Otherwise that's the only logical explanation idk :(

RedJ May 13th, 2012 7:18 PM

I never understood the whole "GIOVANNI MUST BE DEAD" thing. We never got any solid proof that he was, in fact, dead. And considering that he had three Pokemon on him that could learn Surf, it is entirely possible that that was the sound we heard (although I personally think it was the static from the radio). And besides that, we don't even know if he 'jumped' from anything- for all we know, the cave was on ground level. So, I don't really see anything preventing him from returning.

bwburke94 May 14th, 2012 3:14 AM

Same here. I knew from the start that Giovanni didn't really die. This is an E-rated series, they wouldn't kill off a major villain for no reason. As for whether the tournament is canon... it most likely is, due to Cynthia's statements in B/W.

Zelda May 14th, 2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7174464)
Well it could be a Giovanni double :x orrrr his twin, could be something like that to explain the timeline inaccuracy. Otherwise that's the only logical explanation idk :(

I don't see GameFreak doing that, I mean it wasn't actually official/legitimately confirmed that Giovanni died. So maybe he returned to continue from that ending, and he's on to bigger and deeper plans.

blue May 14th, 2012 2:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 7174314)
I just don't get why Giovanni is returning in B2/W2. In the HG/SS event, didn't he run out of the cave in Tohjo Falls and jump off a waterfall? At first, I guessed that would've killed him, but since he's returning in B2/W2, does that mean he survived?

Well either B2W2 took place before HGSS (I'm really not too sure what comes after what) but it's also because in RBY/FRLG, Giovanni was a gym leader and it's all the previous regional gym leaders returning, I doubt in a Pokémon game they would kill a character off.

WingedDragon May 14th, 2012 2:49 PM

Giovanni is returning? Thats pretty cool

Aquarius1997 May 14th, 2012 6:59 PM

How would you all feel if they just brought back the characters without ANY backstory? I mean its really just a battle tornament

Personally i would be pissed but it isnt unlikely that pokemon would do this. Its very likely that the characters wouldnt have any backstories

Ho-Oh May 14th, 2012 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarius1997 (Post 7175818)
How would you all feel if they just brought back the characters without ANY backstory? I mean its really just a battle tornament

Personally i would be pissed but it isnt unlikely that pokemon would do this. Its very likely that the characters wouldnt have any backstories

tbh I really do think that's what'll happen. Like they might say one or two sentences but that's about as much as I can see any of them doing. :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 14th, 2012 7:41 PM

I agree, I don't see them giving much infomation unlike Jasmine, who told us a little about her background. If anyone says much I'll like it to be Steven for obvious reasons...

Gonzo May 15th, 2012 1:09 AM

I don't think we'll see any protagonists except Red which plays his role in GSC and remakes. It's very unlikely since in all games we can choose gender. I'm happy our BW Rivals have grown but seeing Cheren with his final team in BW and seeing him as First Gym Leader is awkward. He should be the last leader, e4 member or the Champion.

Cid May 15th, 2012 1:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 7176100)
I made a mature comment about Bel earlier in the chatroom, but I… find it really awesome that they're back in these games. It doesn't look like a role as major as they had in the previous games, but I'm so glad they didn't pretend like they don't exist. And they've grown!

As for the B/W main characters… you have to hope we find out something about them. :P


Recent games give you subtle enough hints though.

Yes, that's one of the few things I'm happy about for the duo's return. They seem to have matured, even though Cheren's outfit looks rather shabbier than before. But I never would have allowed Game Freak to not even include those two among the characters they plan to return! And I do wish the two years doesn't just make them forget about the playable protagonist.

Hints like the few lines they speak of, if I remember the usual treatment returning characters get. And it would be too much to ask, wanting back stories for all these returning characters. Honestly, I just want them to pick out a few fitting Gen V Pokémon into their teams and I'll enjoy the rematches.

Regarding the return of the playable character (male or female), I expect at the least a slight mention from Bianca and/or Cheren. It would make no sense if he or she got written out of history when it's supposed to be a sequel of sorts.

Cameo May 15th, 2012 1:32 AM

Personally I'm a bit annoyed. Not because of the characters hasn't grown the whey we "all" imagined but the way people respond into these things. The most of you seem to think that it's somehow bad that Cheren was made to be the first Gym Leader while it's not at all. That is a clear sign that he has grown from inside too.

If you remember, Cheren was all the time emphasizing power and didn't really seem to understand that it really isn't the key to win. But now as we see him as the first Gym Leader of Unova we can in this case make an assumption that he has finally understand that in order to win you need more than pure power. You need to have a connection with your pokémons and all sorts of stuff like that. And I myself can clearly see him talking about this topic before the player challenges him.

Later on in the game it's more than possible that he can be rebattled and then he has his sort of the real team with him.

And what comes to the tournament, I am definitely happy to see Giovanni in there. All the other Gym Leaders are good but Giovanni is different. His dark, mysterious and he surely will put up a good fight. ^_^ But personally I don't see for example Red returning.

Zelda May 15th, 2012 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cameo (Post 7176142)
Personally I'm a bit annoyed. Not because of the characters hasn't grown the whey we "all" imagined but the way people respond into these things. The most of you seem to think that it's somehow bad that Cheren was made to be the first Gym Leader while it's not at all. That is a clear sign that he has grown from inside too.

If you remember, Cheren was all the time emphasizing power and didn't really seem to understand that it really isn't the key to win. But now as we see him as the first Gym Leader of Unova we can in this case make an assumption that he has finally understand that in order to win you need more than pure power. You need to have a connection with your pokémons and all sorts of stuff like that. And I myself can clearly see him talking about this topic before the player challenges him.

Later on in the game it's more than possible that he can be rebattled and then he has his sort of the real team with him.

And what comes to the tournament, I am definitely happy to see Giovanni in there. All the other Gym Leaders are good but Giovanni is different. His dark, mysterious and he surely will put up a good fight. ^_^ But personally I don't see for example Red returning.

But did he have to return with a PATRAT? Surely enough from experience with strong Pokémon and his own team, he'd know that it is so weak. It won't give any challenge in the game, seriously. If he had to portray any sort of connection with Pokémon it didn't have to be that one, I mean c'mon. u_u Patrat does not portray power.

Cid May 15th, 2012 2:46 AM

Or maybe he's using the fact that Patrat isn't all impressive in battle as a way to exemplify that connection with your Pokémon is more important than its perceived power. As said by Cameo. Who knows, maybe the Patrat gets a really good TM or something.

And he didn't have much unused (by Lenora) Gen V Normal-types to choose from, I guess? Wait, this is B2/W2, Pokémon are not supposed to be restricted by Unova's former natives. And right, Audino, Minccino and Bouffalant are available too.

blue May 15th, 2012 3:41 AM

I would have expected for Cheren to be higher up than the first, maybe the 5th atleast but it's kind of a let down really.

RedJ May 15th, 2012 4:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7176187)

But did he have to return with a PATRAT?

Sure, if it knows Retaliate >_>;;

Also, is Patrat confirmed to be all he has on his team, or even what he has when you battle him for your Badge? Because if not, it's possible that he could be all "Oh, you're a new trainer, eh? Let's see what you've got!" and then afterwards, "Cool, OH by the way I'm a Gym Leader, come by later for srsbiz." Or something like that.

Legendary Silke May 15th, 2012 4:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 7176341)
By the way, if it's any consolation, Cheren does outright state that he's battling as a Gym Leader for the first time. :P

This does sound a bit interesting when you think about it. I think he probably developed enough in his mind in the last few years to be able to handle such a position, no? At least we won't have these two Johto leader situations again.

That said, speaking of recurring characters, it's probably to everyone's wishes, mostly, that more should be back. Now, come to think of it, I think we already have most of who and what we love back in, so I think I don't really have any further hopes, but I do hope that the entire thing is a bit more fleshed out.

Jellicent♀ May 15th, 2012 5:07 AM

I'm actually stoked that Cheren is the first Gym Leader. It makes me think that he's there to help new trainer jumpstart their journey.

I also think it's pretty hysterical Brycen wants to be a big time actor, considering how serious he was in the previous games.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 15th, 2012 2:56 PM

Suppoedly he already is recognized as a big time actor according to BW xD
Well I'm glad to see Brycen back, hopefully this means he'll retake up his post as Gym leader.

Zayphora May 28th, 2012 3:48 PM

Is Alder confirmed to be in the games? I can't remember...

Xander Olivieri May 28th, 2012 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Zayphora (Post 7194850)
Is Alder confirmed to be in the games? I can't remember...

Your question was better asked here, so moved it for you, but yes he has been confirmed in the games. You meet him fairly early in the games according to the last issue of CoroCoro.

Ho-Oh May 28th, 2012 9:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7176374)
I also think it's pretty hysterical Brycen wants to be a big time actor, considering how serious he was in the previous games.

ikr! I find it kinda weird that they decided to give him a purpose when it's like, he was the least useful in Black and White, lol. Did he suddenly get a wake up call in the last few two years...? Or maybe at the end of the games he realises being an actor isn't his true calling. :x

Xander Olivieri May 28th, 2012 9:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7176374)
I'm actually stoked that Cheren is the first Gym Leader. It makes me think that he's there to help new trainer jumpstart their journey.

I also think it's pretty hysterical Brycen wants to be a big time actor, considering how serious he was in the previous games.

In the anime, Cilan says Brycen used to be a big actor and that Cilan was a fan of his. So its possibly not so random a thing. They already incorperated him being an Actor into one of the Canons.

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7195403)


ikr! I find it kinda weird that they decided to give him a purpose when it's like, he was the least useful in Black and White, lol. Did he suddenly get a wake up call in the last few two years...? Or maybe at the end of the games he realises being an actor isn't his true calling. :x

Honestly Brycen and Skyla did pretty much the same thing. After you beat them they tell you to go to the towers near their cities and that's pretty much all they do to assist the PC.

Skyla: OH YA I saw some sick Pokemon over by the tower. Lets go make sure its ok...*separated and meet at top* Its ok now. I made it better. Aren't I special? I have really good eyesight.

Brycen: I sense a disturbance in the force...*Shadowtriad talk and Dragon Spiral tower climb later* Hm....Bad guys stronger now...This is bad....

They pretty much don't do anything of heavy importance other than side commentary...

Jellicent♀ May 28th, 2012 9:32 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7195413)
In the anime, Cilan says Brycen used to be a big actor and that Cilan was a fan of his. So its possibly not so random a thing. They already incorperated him being an Actor into one of the Canons.



Honestly Brycen and Skyla did pretty much the same thing. After you beat them they tell you to go to the towers near their cities and that's pretty much all they do to assist the PC.

Skyla: OH YA I saw some sick Pokemon over by the tower. Lets go make sure its ok...*separated and meet at top* Its ok now. I made it better. Aren't I special? I have really good eyesight.

Brycen: I sense a disturbance in the force...*Shadowtriad talk and Dragon Spiral tower climb later* Hm....Bad guys stronger now...This is bad....

They pretty much don't do anything of heavy importance other than side commentary...

Oh really? That's amazing. xD

Yeah, neither one of them had much to add to the story, at all. Many Gym Leaders didn't, actually, but they at least had a little more than Brycen and Skyla. It's great to see Brycen doing something, but if they bring Skyla back, I really hope she doesn't play such a small part again.Maybe she'll fly the player in the planes as a form of transportation or something! Probably a slim chance of that happening, but at least she'd have a little more importance.

bewbs May 28th, 2012 10:52 PM

Glad Alder and Cheren are coming back. I'd also like a Hilbert/Hilda battle similar to Red as well.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 29th, 2012 5:57 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7195413)
In the anime, Cilan says Brycen used to be a big actor and that Cilan was a fan of his. So its possibly not so random a thing. They already incorperated him being an Actor into one of the Canons.

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7195413)



Honestly Brycen and Skyla did pretty much the same thing. After you beat them they tell you to go to the towers near their cities and that's pretty much all they do to assist the PC.

Skyla: OH YA I saw some sick Pokemon over by the tower. Lets go make sure its ok...*separated and meet at top* Its ok now. I made it better. Aren't I special? I have really good eyesight.

Brycen: I sense a disturbance in the force...*Shadowtriad talk and Dragon Spiral tower climb later* Hm....Bad guys stronger now...This is bad....

They pretty much don't do anything of heavy importance other than side commentary...

Actually someone a NPC mentioned that he was a Actor in BW so it was established within game canon itself so him returning as an actor was already foreshadowed quite well.

Well for me Brycen seemed more helpful as he held out the Plasma Grunts...Skyla couldn't even bother to help us out in getting to the top, she simply wasted out time xD.

PaxAmericana May 31st, 2012 9:08 AM

I hope N at least makes a brief return in BW. If not, I am really gonna miss him.
I loved his wild goal strive he made during the game. But by far, his inspirational speech at the end was the best.

blue May 31st, 2012 9:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Reshiram Man (Post 7198673)
I hope N at least makes a brief return in BW. If not, I am really gonna miss him.
I loved his wild goal strive he made during the game. But by far, his inspirational speech at the end was the best.

I'm pretty sure N will return, he's in the anime, the sages mention him in game and it would be a mystery to leave him out.

PaxAmericana May 31st, 2012 9:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7198690)


I'm pretty sure N will return, he's in the anime, the sages mention him in game and it would be a mystery to leave him out.

And then everybody would be shocked, while some would be angry, and a few would be sad.

Either way, I am okay with him returning or not, but I would like him to return nonetheless.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 31st, 2012 2:43 PM

Considering that the game is said to revolve around the mystery of where N went if they don't show him it'll be a big let down...then again they didn't show Giovanni in GSC either.

-Grayscale- June 1st, 2012 4:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Reshiram Man (Post 7198695)
And then everybody would be shocked, while some would be angry, and a few would be sad.

Either way, I am okay with him returning or not, but I would like him to return nonetheless.

I would be one of the many to slap Nintendo in the face.
Even if they've presented N in the anime and everything, I honestly have doubts that he's coming back. If he does show up in the game I'm going to be very giddy, but I'm not keeping up my hopes for anything. They already said N's nowhere to be found, but I guess I might be oblivious to hints of his comeback.

I still wonder if Ghetsis will ever show up again. Doubt it, but meh. It would be cool to see him show up. He's one of my favorite villains.

Bluerang1 June 1st, 2012 5:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7198690)


I'm pretty sure N will return, he's in the anime, the sages mention him in game and it would be a mystery to leave him out.

What anime? Oh the promo. I thought you meant the regular one haha.

I hope the plot isn't al revolved around N, I'd like N's disapperance to be a sideline to the plot. It's doubtful though.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 1st, 2012 5:28 PM

I hope Lenora returns, I wanna know why she's not a gym leader no more! Also Skyla and Clay returning will be nice seeing how they were some of my favorite characters.

Jellicent♀ June 1st, 2012 8:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7200779)
I hope Lenora returns, I wanna know why she's not a gym leader no more! Also Skyla and Clay returning will be nice seeing how they were some of my favorite characters.

So there should be two Normal-type Gym Leaders in one region?

I'd like Clay to return. he was cool as heck. Especially in the anime. But beyond making us take a sidetrack to a useless tower that had no effect on the plot, Skyla was really just...there. She never spoke to me, so I honestly wouldn't miss her even a little bit.

PaxAmericana June 1st, 2012 9:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7200779)
I hope Lenora returns, I wanna know why she's not a gym leader no more! Also Skyla and Clay returning will be nice seeing how they were some of my favorite characters.

I agree on Skyla and Clay, because I enjoyed them too.

Jellicent♀ June 2nd, 2012 2:57 PM

N has made an appearance in a trailer on Pokemon Smash! So has Ghetsis. N is shown with a Zekrom and Ghetsis with Kyurem!
-credit of source goes to serebii-

Aquarius1997 June 2nd, 2012 3:07 PM

N and Ghetsis coming back!!!!
 
N and Ghetsis are CONFIRMED to come back

Heres a screenshot link

http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/tv-n-confrontation.jpg

Are you excited?

What do you think their role is in the game?

DISCUSS!!!!

Xander Olivieri June 2nd, 2012 3:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarius1997 (Post 7202098)
N and Ghetsis are CONFIRMED to come back

Heres a screenshot link

http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/tv-n-confrontation.jpg

Are you excited?

What do you think their role is in the game?

DISCUSS!!!!

Move this to Returning Character's Thread since N and Ghetsis are returning Characters~

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 2nd, 2012 3:27 PM

Well that was no surprise really. I expected that they will return. By the looks of it it seems as if Ghetsis caught Kyurem, so he might be the one who fuses the dragons!

Ghiaccio June 2nd, 2012 6:20 PM

Skyla is also confirmed to return as well, as in one of the new trailers from pokemon smash today, it showed a gym with a bunch of fans and propellers and stuff, and you can catch a quick glimpse of her in that part.

PaxAmericana June 2nd, 2012 8:11 PM

It is just me, or does Ghetsis's new outfit sporting mainly the color black make him look more evil?

IMO, I think the new outfit is amazing, especially compared to the royal blue and gold from BW.

Kenshin5 June 2nd, 2012 8:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7202090)
N has made an appearance in a trailer on Pokemon Smash! So has Ghetsis. N is shown with a Zekrom and Ghetsis with Kyurem!
-credit of source goes to serebii-

Too clarify it is version dependent which Dragon N has. If Black2 he has Zekrom, if White2 he has Reshiram.

Just raises the question for me is. Will the character be the one to catch the third dragon then, all three have some sort of showdown. Will be interesting too see nonetheless.

Xander Olivieri June 2nd, 2012 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenshin5 (Post 7202524)
Too clarify it is version dependent which Dragon N has. If Black2 he has Zekrom, if White2 he has Reshiram.

Just raises the question for me is. Will the character be the one to catch the third dragon then, all three have some sort of showdown. Will be interesting too see nonetheless.

Third Dragon as in the opposite to what N has? My guess is no since story wise the PC HAD to catch it which wasn't done in any game before. I'm thinking Ghetsis doesn't catch Kyurem but is controlling it while its still wild.

Jellicent♀ June 2nd, 2012 9:48 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7202577)
Third Dragon as in the opposite to what N has? My guess is no since story wise the PC HAD to catch it which wasn't done in any game before. I'm thinking Ghetsis doesn't catch Kyurem but is controlling it while its still wild.

I don't think that N is even a part of Team Plasma full time anymore, honestly. Ghetsis must be controlling black Plasma. His design seems much better, too. He looked like an old watch tower before. xD
Now he looks like an evil boss.

SolarAbusoru June 3rd, 2012 1:25 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7202577)
Third Dragon as in the opposite to what N has? My guess is no since story wise the PC HAD to catch it which wasn't done in any game before. I'm thinking Ghetsis doesn't catch Kyurem but is controlling it while its still wild.

I agree, I think it's the 'Shadow Lugia approach', where as ya said, he's still controlling it while wild.

giradialkia June 3rd, 2012 3:29 AM

I'm wondering what exactly the story will be with Kyurem/Ghetsis (I wish I could read Japanese, it might give a bit of insight to what N is saying :/). But I find it hugely interesting that N will still have the dragon he captured in the originals. I know there's no real reason he would have released it, but it's awesome to see a returning character with a legendary Pokemon, I'm so excited :D

Laplace the mage June 3rd, 2012 3:40 AM

At the risk of sounding insane, I kinda wish they had kept this a secret to add to a bit of shock value...
well at least to N anyway
Im sure we all knew he was coming back, but still, you never know with those "Ride off into the sunset:" endings

blue June 3rd, 2012 4:30 AM

It looks like N was siding with the protagonist against Ghetsis so whether there was conflict and Team Plasma has been split into two different groups I don't know but it certainly looks like their aspects have changed since Black & White.

pokemonranger109 June 3rd, 2012 4:35 AM

Ok here's a spoiler i saw on serribi.net but here's some of the people Returning.
DON"T CLICK THE TAB BECAUSE THIS IS A SPOILER ALERT UNLESS YOU WANT TO READ THIS!
You have been warned!
Spoiler:

All of the Kanto gym leaders.
Stephen
Cynthea
Cheren as a gym leader but that has no Gym.
He's outside when you battle him.
uh...Goivanne but he's under the gyms from kanto.


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