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[Spoiler]Pokemon World Tournament Discussion
Pokemon World Tournament is something in B2/W2 that allows the trainer to battle old gym leaders and champions from other regions. It works similar to a battle facility where you battle single and double battles.
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Well I wanna know more about why it exists tbh. I'm not really a fan of having to face all the older gym leaders, but if it's a post-game thing that kinda gives longevity to the games which is good compared to B/W which didn't really have that, so ya.
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Yea, I was thinking that it was maybe to help add so more things to do in the game, most likely post game, which BW did lack.
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I love it. It really is a good idea tbh.
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This is great and really should be something special in the games... it'll give us more to do than Black and White, which just kind of dropped off after the story was complete.
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Really hoping Red (or Blue/Green/Leaf, that would be cool too) comes down from Mt. Silver and gets in on this too. Seems like something he would be interested in.
I love the idea, but I have a feeling that this will cause much rage-screaming @[email protected] |
It looks like an awesome idea. And for once, we actually have a legit tournament in the games (if you look in the scans, it actually has like a tourney board on there). Although it's kinda disappointing imo that they only have 3 pokemon each (speed up the tournament I guess) but it still looks like an amazing idea!
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Looks awesome! Can't wait to hear more about it!
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I love it, I love it, I LOVE IT.
Since Ruby and Sapphire, this is precisely the thing I have been waiting for in a Pokemon game. I always felt they needed more continuity in the games, and while people argue (reasonably) that the Tohjo story ended in a satisfactory way in GSC/HGSS, I would have ADORED to be able to battle Gold and the Tohjo Gym Leaders/League. I liked RSE, but I was quite disappointed that there didn't seem to be any more relation between the games, or at least none of real significance. The fact that these games are actually direct sequels AND that they're including loads of characters from the previous games is very nearly too much for me, and I'm vibrating with excitement as I type this. One thing I'm curious about is, however... We know that B2W2 takes place two years after BW. And we know that BW must take place a few years after HGSS, because he's married a woman and has a son who must be at the very least 3 years old. Yet the CoroCoro screens (or whatever) show the older characters in their original art- it's not new. In the case of Giovanni/Steven, it's their Gen 3 art, which is old. And the sprites for Lance and Blue are from HGSS. So I know that their appearance doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I'm surprised they don't look even a little different, seeing as a few years has passed. I imagine the tournament system will be a bit like the Battle Dome in Pokemon Emerald. Although instead of battling with just two Pokemon, you battle with 3 (going by the screens). I'd prefer to be able to battle with a full team, but that'd probably be overkill, seeing as how hard it can be to take down a Champion's team without items (as I'm assuming items will be banned). |
I love it, I'm glad to see all the champs together ^_^. I hope Unova's get in on the action too...this kind of reminds me of the battle dome but with gym leaders and champs though that's a good thing imo ^_^
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I absolutely LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
My only problem is how are they gonna top future Pokemon games? Will this only be of BW2 or will this be a staple in Pokemon games ? |
I am all for it and i wonder why has not been made sooner :D
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I would say "Yes" on Leaf (give my fave character an opportunity to appear in a game that she was denied back in HG/SS), but then there's the issue with bringing back any of the playable characters... how to decide what starter they have, and who's on their team. I'm just against reusing player characters as NPCs in general. I have been since G/S. Not a fan of the 3 on 3 thing and never have been (Battle Tower/Frontier, Stadium games, etc.) You have six Pokemon, you should be able to use all six! Otherwise, I'm pretty neutral on this idea, especially if it's going to be implemented as a Tower/Frontier type thing. While it would be nice to see some old familiar faces, there are others I could do without seeing, and IMO it's hard to justify everyone coming over to participate. And I suppose Giovanni's no longer a wanted fugitive from justice if he's daring to show his face at this event? Hmmm, maybe he has paid his debt to society. |
I wasn't surprised to see that nobody had voted "No!" It's an excellent feature which revives all the older gym leaders & champions and brings them into an up-to-date game.
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Red appearing would be nice, I would like the rival appear though...bring in Silver, Wally, and Pearl into the fun! Maybe Cheren, Bianca and N will appear...
I mentioned this in the character thread but how will the battle with Lisa and Tate work out? Will the match all of a sudden turn into a doubles? |
Well, so far there have been no Hoenn leaders mentioned which may mean that they wont appear or only a few will appear and have yet to be revealed, I don't think every leader/champion will return but just a vast majority.
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True, I love the fact that Giovanni is returning, as much as I didn't expect it we haven't seen him in some time.
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More than anything, I'm excited for the Hoenn Gym Leaders and Champion. They finally receive updated in-game sprite poses. The others....not as ecstatic but still awesome nonetheless.
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What real Pokemon fan wouldn't like this?
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Man I love this idea so much. It's about time they had a tournament element in the Pokemon games! And mixing it with being able to fight all the old gym leaders is just... wow. I'm buzzing for this new game, literally cannot wait after seeing this. x] I hope you have an option of watching their battles too; it'd be really interesting to see a battle like Janine vs Pryce. The two types would compliment each other well for a long saturated battle.
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Steven is the Champion from Hoenn so there is a Hoenn trainer that shows up, and Janine being there is a Johto relation as Janine wasn't a Gym Leader in the Kanto Series games.
I can see them bringing Red in since he is the Master champion in GSCHGSS and Blue is both a Champion and Gym Leader. They only list a few so we may not even have the full list yet. Maybe the Tournament randomizes which Gym Leader/Champions you fight. |
Was Emerald not cannon, or will Wallace appear later as champ...
I'm also starting to think GF is hiding something...Steven has been the only Hoenn character to appear out of that region, I mean HgSs had three Sinnoh cameo's and so far they don't show any Hoenn gym leaders... Either way I do wonder how many of the gym leaders will appear. Also I want Red to appear too! Maybe he can be the one we challenge after winning the match against the rest... |
This thread isn't about the Steven/Wallace champion debate, but Wallace might show up and he might not. A full 4-region Gym Leader Castle isn't gonna happen, though.
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This is also the first media coverage of the World Tournament. Steven was never a Gym Leader so he's got to be Hoenn's current Champion representing Hoenn. I can see them releasing more info on this next week on Smash.
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Kinda happy this is happening but i see a major flaw
Pokemon cant implement this feature into the next few generations because it would be quite redundant(the only new thing would probably be new teams or movesets) Other than that i LOVE the idea |
I wonder what the teams will be for the tournament, actually. Anyone think to follow the theme from B/W's elite four it might be 4 Pokemon per gym leader - then 6 for the champion? Then maybeeee the level increase goes up each region, so say 50 @ Kanto +5 for champ, 60 @ Johto +5 for champ, 70 @ Hoenn +5 for champ, 80 @ Sinnoh +5 for champ.That is of course if they ARE including the other regions' gym leaders. :x
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This is such a great idea! (which many others have said :P )
But seriously though, I wonder if they are going to include everyone? I'm glad there's going to be more to do post game this time. |
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(a) Wallace is a Gym Leader, Steven is Champion, Juan from Emerald is the no-show. (b) If it's three on three battles as some have speculated, it'll probably be done Tower/Frontier style where their levels are adjusted to match your strongest Pokemon's. (c) Brackets are probably goign to be randomized if it is indeed everyone. And I'm going to reiterate, a certain someone really should stay out of this and remain on his little frozen mountain. He's shown up in 10 games already and needs to be given a rest, and since he doesn't speak, he strikes me as the antisocial type who wouldn't want to be in the public eye at an event like this. If he shows up, that could be the final nail in the coffin as far as me buying the games. |
If you notice as the tournament there is only 3 Pokémon per leader/champion etc. so I wonder why it's so limited, it's kind of like a battle frontier in a way.
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There is? I must be blind. :( If Brock is the first one I don't want Geodude, Graveller and Golem. Just saying. :x
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I don't see why some people are EXTREMELY excited about this. I just think it's gonna be a cool addition to game that may possibly be as boring as it's predecessor once you've beaten it. Anyway, here's what I think.
First off, Giovanni? I like the fact he's gonna show up, but is it gonna spark Maxie/Archie to tag along as well? Heck even Cyrus might show up on his Giratina to crash the party. ;) I actually think it's likely, that as it has been done in other games before, although the only example I can think of is getting Ho-Oh after beating 100 Mt. Battle trainers... Red will probably show up, but I'm thinking ONLY after you've beaten several trainers consecutively or something similar. If the World Tournament repeats, (like, you beat it once and you can do it again) you'd probably have to win the thing consecutively to see him. If Red was to show up, it might mean the other protagonists would too. Kris, Ethan, Brendan/May, Lucas, heck, even Hilbert/Hilda... Quote:
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Also, I can't see it too well but on the CoroCoro screens, there look like some more sprites I can't make them out. Yes, I can see the Gym Leader sprites in the Tourney screen but I'm talking about the right hand side, I can't see it too well, but they're probably just more Gym Leaders... |
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I'm loving this feature, I've always liked when the games allow you to rebattle the Gym Leaders again, this way, it's five generations of Gym Leaders and that makes me very happy.
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This is super cool to me, I'm just ridiculously excited at the thought of seeing all the gang (as in, my fave gym leaders etc lol) back together!! :D :D :D
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Serebii says you can download the rest of the Champions and Gym Leaders through special events to participate in the World Tournament so we can get all of them when they are released.
Pokemon Trainers: Gotta Collect 'em all~ |
So it appears that it's another download characters like in Conquest with the character stories...I guess we might see more of these download characters by Wi-fi soon...that makes me feel like this isn't canon...
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Its probably not going to be canon which is why Gary(Blue/Green), Giovanni, Steven, Lance still have prior generation art work. Kind of reminds me of what they are currently doing with Fire Emblem Awakening where they have Downloadable characters. So every so often Nintendo issues new downloadable characters and they are just their for the sole reason of fighting and have no bearing upon anything outside of the Tournament.
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If it's going to be 3vs.3 and tag battles then who are we going to fight with? I doubt it if we get paired with people like Giovanni, Blue, and all those rough people who would like to beat us up instead. We'll probably get paired with those nice people such as Erika, Bugsy, etc.
Tag battle opponents anyone? They don't have to be mono-types but I can't think of any dual/mixed-types right now. Here's a few: Blaine and Flannery. Koga and Janine. Volkner and Elesa . Tate and Lisa... oh wait. (I swear if anyone starts some shipping on this i'll-... I don't know anymore...) Will they have this random island for the location? I don't seem to remember an island big enough for all this in Black and White. Unless they make this random island like Fullmoon and Victory. (Just appearing on the map like that... thought I was hallucinating for a minute...) Or the location could be in a cave. Or in the sky for that matter. I always wanted a location/building in the sky in Pokemon. Stuff- http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/worldtournament.shtml http://www.jefusion.com/2012/05/pokemon-black-white-2-features.html http://geek.pikimal.com/2012/05/13/new-pokemon-black-2-white-2-details-tease-hollywood-minigame/ |
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Hmm... it's likely N will have something to do with the BW2 storyline... this might mean something happens to him (for example, he runs off again) which could make him not appear in the Tournament. |
Does it matter if it's canon or not?
(Fun fact: if GF is lazy and uses the Unova music, Lance will have used five different battle themes, with him gaining one new theme in each generation. This total excludes Stadium.) |
Well, I feel better about this idea now that the trainers are downloadable. So, if there's a particular character who you don't want to see, you can just not download their data (as long as they're not one of the pre-programmed defaults). I'm kinda hoping yo can download individually and not in "packs" for fear of my favorite character being lumped with one I don't want.
And since it's allegedly non-canon, it might just be the ticket to see my beloved Leaf again :) Just don't package her with you-know-who, okay, Gamefreak? |
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I like it, but it sort of screws with the continuity, just a tiny bit. BW takes place sometime after DPPt, right? And B2W2 takes place two years after that. The characters haven't changed at all over that time (Most likely because Game Freak didn't see the point in updating all the designs of all the trainers).
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The fact that Geo has his gen III art makes me think this might not be cannonical at all... too bad because Steven could've fixed up Hoenn's spot in the timeline...
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If the Hoenn leaders don't show up for some reason, then it pretty much confirms for me that RS will be remade.
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I think World Tournament IS canon because:
- it looks like Giovanni has sprite from HG/SS (third on the right on tournament table, I think it's him), - look at battle titles for Cynthia, Steven, Lance and Gary. They all say "Pokemon Trainer" ポケモントレーナー there won't be problem if Giovanni is classified as still being Gym Leader because he's probably going to be simply called Pokemon Trainer, - if it wasn't canon both Steven and Wallace would appear in Corocoro being labeled as Champions, but only Steven appeared. It also most likely indicates that B2/W2 take place before R/S/E. |
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Actually, third games are more important as canon because they contain more expanded storyline. In B/W Cynthia compares player to that trainer who encountered Giratina, referring to canon event she witnessed in Distortion World in Platinum. All third games are counted as canon. |
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With Steven still being Champion, they are saying that Ruby/Sapphire's story takes precedence over Emerald's. |
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They will never exclude any third game from canon. Emerald is also part of canon. We just don't have proof yet, because R/S/E seem to be last in timeline. Platnium is already proven to be canon only because it takes place before B/W and B2/W2. Assuming that all third games are canon, World Tournament confirms that B2/W2 take place before R/S/E. |
Nobody has seemed to mention this. Remixed themes for all those Gym Leaders and E4.
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That's what I thought, I wonder if they will just be designated either the same sound track or remixed of their regional gym music. There was a soundtrack coded into Black & White for the Champion of Kanto but was never used in the games, surely this would be perfect for Green.
Also, still looking forward (assuming they do) to them revealing some more gym leaders returning, by the looks of things we'll get a few more considering day by day we've learnt about a couple more appearing, just want to know if we'll see any Hoenn leaders. |
I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet.
Giovanni and Janine weren't Gym Leaders at the same point in time. Any thoughts on this? I doubt they would invite a known criminal organization leader in to a tournament of respectable trainers unless he was still a Gym Leader and it was still a secret, unless it's not supposed to be considered canon and these are all cameo-like appearances. And Blue, would he be there under his most recent title of Gym Leader or his highest title as Champion? |
I too wonder what title he'll have...
I hope that they update the themes to B2W2, I'll like to hear an updated version of Steven's theme in the tournament :3. |
having to get opponents via wifi just like they do with pokemon is stupid
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Just some clearer/new pictures of the Tournament, I love how the OW sprites look of the Gym Leaders in the third image, we haven't seen them BW style before! |
You know, if your character is in the tournament... why? Is it after you beat the Elite Four twice - and become the best in the region? Are you only qualified to compete because of that? Are you invited to join after stopping Plasma (?) from ruining Kyurem (?) by Juniper? That's what I wonder tbh.
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More on-topic: I think World Tournament might be limited on purpose in B2/W2 (not all Gym Leaders, not full teams) to be improved in future games. Kinda like it was done with limited Gym Leaders rematches from Platinum improved in HG/SS. |
Considering each of them have three Pokémon maybe again it's like a Battle Frontier feature i.e they're set at Level 100 specialising in their typing which would be accessible post-storyline.
Also, although there are no Johto/Hoenn leaders there currently that doesn't rule them out.. "You can download more trainers via special distribution methods such as the Nintendo WiFi Connection, as time goes on. These include many of the special trainers seen below" Even then, we don't have full details on it yet. |
Particularly if it's non-canon, perhaps former player characters and evil team leaders would be announced. Not that I'm particularly in support of either (besides Leaf, of course) because I really don't like having anything non-canon in the handheld Pokemon games.
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Kinda hope the Unova Gym Leaders get added to the Tournament cause I would love to see what Homika and Cheren would be using if the teams don't alternate. |
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R/S/E occurs before HG/SS (confirmed by Steven referencing the Hoenn protagonists) HG/SS occurs concurrently with D/P/Pt (Red Gyarados news report and various other hints) D/P/Pt occurs before B/W (confirmed by Cynthia referencing the Sinnoh protagonists) B/W occurs before B2/W2 (direct sequels) Therefore, R/S/E occurs before B2/W2. As for the Wallace argument, he didn't appear as a gym leader either. |
I find it interesting that in the Kanto Bracket picture Blue's missing, perhaps this means that they'll save the eighth gym leader for last.
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And this still doesn't excuse the fact that all the trainers look exactly the same after so many years. |
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Anyway, this message about travel through time is shown only for Pokemon transfered from GBA games. Pokemon transfered from R/S remakes won't have this message anymore, so there is no proof at all. This timeline discussion is for another thread, so if you have any other ideas to prove I'm wrong about timeline, post them in appropriate thread. |
This is exactly what everyone wanted and i'm glad that it's happening.
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Not sure how I feel about this yet. I like the idea, but I need to see what the restrictions are and all that stuff. Hope it lives up to my expectations though.
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Yes this sounds amazing! Something to keep me interested when I get the game! :D
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Is anyone more excited for the show or for the game? I'm for the game, but how can this guy's name also be Black in the manga if Black's name is Black?
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I'm super excited for this. I can't wait for the games to come out, that way I can abuse the heck out of this feature. I'll be sure to get every download possible to be able to battle every person available! I'm really excited to see what the Pokemon for each person will be!
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So, has it been confirmed that other Leaders are going to be the only type of downloadable trainers available, or is the possibility still open for other types of trainers to be released for this?
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Mm...I hope the Unova leaders can be re-battled too
and I really hope Steven gets an all 80's team like Red (but no higher then level 87, because Red's Pikachu must remain the highest leveled pokemon controlled by an NPC... |
Being a big fan of gym leaders in general, I have a feeling that I'm going to love this new feature. I think it will have some post-game longevity because in each tournament you're only facing a certain number of leaders/champions, so in order to face all the available characters you're gonna need to run through it again.
I hope that they keep it on a certain day of the week instead of being able to do it whenever you because it would make more sense in the game and it would give me something to look forward to every week. I don't know, just an idea. Either way, this will be a great addition to the game! :D |
Doesn't sound too great imo, would prefer something less linear like another BF or something similar tbh. That and I've already battled Cynthia, Giovanni, Lance, etc. every other gym leader/champion from the previous games too many times to count as well. Battling Akuroma does get a slight chance of intrigue from me but I'm not expecting him to be that much of a challenge sadly.
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And I'd rather have the current crop of Gym Leaders be rematchable in some form other than this tournament. So Akuroma's presence along with the old leaders isn't encouraging... |
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...................... If there are going to be more Gym Leaders downloadable after B2/W2 release, is it possible that there might be new designs for Hoenn Gym Leaders, designed for R/S remakes, hidden in B2/W2 coding? Or maybe old designs from original R/S/E? |
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Its more fan speculation with little to no support that Hoenn comes after them in the time line. Why would they make a game that is so far in the time line so early? Why were the new Special Pokeballs that were invented in Gen 3 still in Gen 4 if Devon Corp hadn't invented them yet? Why was scott Searching around the world to test his One of a Kind Facility if there were other versions in Kanto and Johto? Yes Scott Opened the Battle Fronteir in Emerald, it wasn't opened/finished until Emerald's Post game. There are many facts from the games that support its placement with Kanto or between the three year period between Kanto and Johto. Steven is still the Hoenn Champion meaning Wallace is a Gym Leader, so they are following Ruby/Sapphire story if Steven being in the World Tournament is any reference to Hoenn games. We've been told to stop discussing this in other threads, so lets stop please neither side is going to accept the other, all major sources have Kanto and Hoenn at the same time, so unless Gamefreak comes out and says that Hoenn is in the future it isn't. ---- On topic: We know that all the Gym Leaders will be downloadable cause the World Tournament says you can battle all of them from different regions. We also know that each Gym Leader can only use 3 Pokemon similar as to how the Battle Frontier usually works. My question is what do you think the Gym Leaders will use? Some had more than three and obviously they'd use their best Pokemon. Though would they only use Pokemon from their Region? I can see Brock sporting Onix, Golem, and Aerodactyl. Misty I see sporting Starmie, Golduck, and Seadra. |
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Anyways, I'm looking forward to seeing this feature implemented. It'd be nice seeing downloadable characters like Red or N maybe, and not just leaders/champions. I wonder if Akuroma himself is either participating in this tournament, or if he's hosting it. Serebii says Cynthia's hosting it, but I don't really see it anywhere seeing as she's participating aswell from one of the screenshots. |
I'm thinking that they'll have a pool of Pokemon to choose from, and three will be randomly chosen each time you battle, just so you don't battle the same three each time... that would get boring. I'd hope that they'd be creative in their teams and movesets so you can't just go in with a supereffective Pokemon and sweep them. Using Blaine as an example, he could equip a Typhlosion with Thunderpunch or something, or use a Clefable with Fire Blast.
Right now it's just Champions and Leaders, but there's always some possibility of extending the roster to include others at some point in the future. If they, Leaf would be my vote - they've used her male counterpart in way too many games thus far. She needs love :) Again, they may limit it to Leader and Champions and not include others at all; it's still too early to call. GF has been pulling some pretty crafty tricks with these games; nothing would surprise me at this point. And I've said this before, but I'd really rather see the Unova Gym Leaders have a rematch system separate from the tournament. I'm still wondering as well what Akuroma's role in all this is because he's not a Champion or a Leader, and he's not a character from a past game. Still not sure if I'll like this, as the Battle Tower/Frontier was always a source of rage and frustration for me due to the hax luck, but I'll say it's an interesting idea. |
I think Cynthia, Lance and obviously Gary are not real Champions because they already lost their Champion titles to their games' protagonists, knowing that gens 1, 2 and 4 have already happened before B2/W2. That's why their all battle titles say "Trainer" not "Champion". I think they are just decided to be labeled as Champions instead of protagonists because they have more defined teams and aren't completely silent. Steven might the only real Champion left, seeing how in HG/SS he still says to be official Champion, meaning that most likely R/S/E take place after B2/W2.
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I don't just like it, I love it. It will give more to do than just run around, beat the E4, then do nothing but wifi and/or Battle Subway in Nimbasa ;; and eastern Unova is so BORING so I hope that this game is much improved in that area... post game, that is.
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But yeah, I'm sure the game will randomize which characters you fight so that it's not redundant each time you enter. Well... at least I hope that this is what they'll do. o_o |
Huge Bracketed Tournament....
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I think the Champions/Leaders should all be at least over Lv.70 and above IF the team levels aren't modified, i.e. random Battle Tower changes to Lv.50. Maybe Red's highest Pokemon could be Lv.100? (They need to retire Red... humiliating him with every game... honestly being beaten by the new kids on the block? Tsk, tsk...) I just hope Game Freak won't mess up this Battle Tournament for us with some pre-set level stuff. Well unless that's just one mode among more modes.
It'd be fun to go against teams that "cheat"/ have these random move sets that they normally shouldn't have. Also the AI should be programmed to use moves at the RIGHT time. Too many games have been ruined for me because the random Champion used moves that weren't supposed to be used (*stares at Cynthia's Milotic for overusing Aqua Ring*) as they could have beaten me. I like winning, just don't obliterate the epicness of the match. I wonder what sort of event they'll have for the downloading? Wi-Fi seems the most probable. I do not want to go to Toys"R"Us for this... |
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All I can say is, if there is more opportunity to keep me interested post-game, then I'll take it. Hopefully they make the battle music awesome so I'll appreciate battling them over, and over, and over...
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Oh yeah with the music there's lots of different routes they could go. For example, you could have the normal battle theme remixed, remix the gym leader theme of B/W OR have a theme for everyone... or just have it based on region, each region gets its own specific theme song, idk, whichever was the e4 theme song of each region maybe?
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